Thank you for standing by and welcome to the EVgo Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. I'd now to call over to Heather Davis, Vice President and the Investor Relations. You may begin.

Good morning and welcome to EVgo's second quarter 2024 earnings call. My name is Heather Davis and I'm the Vice President of Investor Relations at EVgo. Joining me on today's call are Badar Khan, EVgo's Chief Executive Officer and Stephanie Lee, EVgo's Interim Chief Financial Officer. Today we will be discussing EVgo's second quarter financial results and our outlook for 2024 followed by a Q&A session. Today's call is being webcast and can be accessed on the investor section of our website at investors.evgo.com. The call will be archived and available there along with the company's earnings release and investor presentation after the conclusion of this call. During the call, management will be making forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties including expectations about future performance. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations are detailed in our SEC filings including in the risk factor section of our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly report on Form 10-Q. The company's SEC filings are available on the investor section of our website. These forward-looking statements apply as of today and we undertake no obligation to update these statements after the call. Also please note that, we will be referring to certain non-GAAP financial measures on this call. Information about these non-GAAP measures including a reconciliation to the corresponding GAAP measures can be found in the earnings materials available on the investor section of our website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Badar Khan, EVgo's CEO.

Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us today. EVgo delivered yet another excellent quarter. We achieved record revenues over $66 million and charging network revenues grew 2.4x compared to last year, becoming the seventh sequential quarter of double-digits growth in charging revenue, and the sixth consecutive quarter of triple-digit year-over-year growth in network throughput. With the level of utilization and throughput we have in the network today, the annualized per store unit economics have improved over 300% in just a short six months, providing yet more confidence, we will complete our path to profitability and deliver adjusted EBITDA breakeven in 2025. With the operating leverage we have in the business, once fixed costs are covered in 2025, all personal cash flows fall straight to the bottom-line, conservatively resulting in over $200 million in adjusted EBITDA in three to five years' time if we're only growing at the rate we are this year. A higher rate of store growth would result in even stronger EBITDA. Let's look at some key highlights from this past quarter. Our second quarter was yet another great quarter. Charging network revenue more than doubled, driving an increase in total revenues. We grew our operational stalls by 37% compared to last year and are on-track to add 800 to 900 new owned-and-operated stalls this year. Customer accounts continued to grow faster than VIO growth in the second quarter, and EVgo recently surpassed 1 million customer accounts, an exciting milestone. We continue to see clear evidence of the operating leverage that we've talked about on our last few calls, with both expanding adjusted gross margins, especially in our owned-and-operated business and adjusted G&A improvement translating into strong bottom-line improvement year-over-year. Given our strong results and the consistent operational improvements in the business year-to-date, we have raised…

Thank you, Badar. EVgo delivered another strong quarter of performance in Q2, exhibiting the seventh sequential quarter of double-digits charging revenue growth and the sixth consecutive quarter of triple-digit year-over-year throughput growth. Revenue in the second quarter was $66.6 million, which represents a 32% year-over-year increase. This growth was primarily driven by increased charging network revenues. Retail charging revenues of $22.3 million grew from $9.1 million in the second quarter of 2023, exhibiting a 146% year-over-year increase. Commercial charging revenue, which primarily includes revenue from our rideshare partnership of $7.1 million increased from $2.4 million in the second quarter of 2023, exhibiting a 193% year-over-year increase. eXtend revenue of $27.7 million declined as expected compared to the second quarter of 2023, as we had significantly higher one-time equipment sales to the pilot company last year. We added over 220 new operational stalls in Q2, including eXtend. Total stalls in operation were approximately 3,440 at the end of June 2024, including 190 EVgo eXtend stalls, increasing 37% from the end of June 2023. During the second quarter of 2024, EVgo added over 131,000 new customer accounts, a 60% increase versus second quarter of 2023. EVgo ended the quarter with more than 1 million customer accounts, an exciting milestone on our growth trajectory. During the second quarter of 2024, network throughput increased 2.6x from last year to 66 gigawatt hours. We continue to benefit from many factors that are driving this accelerated growth, such as EV buyers moving from early adopters to mass adopters, with a higher portion of multiunit dwellers, who may not have access to home charging, the rapid growth in rideshare, increased EV vehicle miles traveled, increasing EV charge rates, and heavier, less efficient EV models. One of the metrics driving our network throughput growth is utilization. EVgo's network…

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Chris Dendrinos from RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Yes. Good morning and congratulations on the good quarter. I guess maybe to start things off, you mentioned the max cables that are coming in and the opportunity to service more Tesla vehicles as a result. Can you maybe share where, I guess maybe what portion of the revenue today is a result of charging Tesla vehicles? And then, how you all are kind of internally thinking about what the uptake might be from the access to being able to charge more Tesla vehicles with that cable. Thanks.

Yes. Thanks, Chris. We're very excited about the max cable, for the reason you decided. We expect to be able to start deploying max cables towards the end of this year, and we'll start to roll them out across, the rest of our network over time. We're excited about them, because, as I said before in prior calls, our locations are urban, suburban locations. They tend to be closer to where people live and work. For instance, we have 1.6x the amenities, within walking distance of our locations a Tesla and the average Tesla site. And so, we're expecting to be able, through our more sophisticated marketing and growth programs, be able to target those customers that live closer to our locations, and therefore get a growing, portion of Tesla drivers. Today, Tesla drivers represent a very small minimal share on our network. This represents a fairly significant upside for the company, if we're able to attract roughly the 60% of VIO that are Tesla vehicles today.

Got it. Okay. And then and then I guess as a follow-up here, you mentioned that next gen charging infrastructure that you all are working on and some of the incremental investment going into that later this year. I guess, can you provide maybe a preview a little bit of what changes there? Is that more just operational changes around the charging stall, or is there structural changes to what it looks like? And then I think you also mentioned that, that hopefully improves some of the customer experience. Maybe just a bit more details on what this is going to look like.

Yes. Quick question. I mean, just to begin with, we've reached a level of scale in the company where we're we can actually become a strong partner to, our suppliers because of the enormous number of customer interactions that we bring to the table. A lot of these suppliers don't actually interface with customers directly. Of course, we've got a 1 million customers, and so we have a very good sense of, customers' frustrations and pain points. We bring that to the design process. I think that's an advantage that we have over the very large number of smaller operators in the United States for DCFC today. With that experience, we expect to be able to deliver a different site configuration, a distributed bus architecture, a different design for the equipment, for the dispenser. It's focused primarily on the equipment, as opposed to the construction, but, of course, the site configuration should result in some improvements in the construction timelines as costs and timelines as well. That's really what we are working on. We've been working on it for a good part a year. I think the addition of the additional talent that we've just had over the past quarter, particularly some very strong leadership from folks, who've been very closely involved with the leadership of Tesla Superchargers, I think, adds to that all of that experience. We expect to be able to have something in the market by the second half of 2026 with prototypes much earlier than that. We're targeting, as I said on the call, a 30% improvement in the gross CapEx per store.

Got it. Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Bill Peterson from JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Nice job on the quarterly execution. On the three to five year model you presented and updated here in in this quarterly presentation, you'll illustrate nearly 50% in adjusted, profit margin -- gross profit margin, which is up from, I believe, is around 40% at the midpoint in your presentation from the first quarter. I'd like to revisit this in light of what appears to be increasing power prices, broadly, competition from other networks, which from what I can tell generally charge at a lower price point, maybe lower gas prices going forward, which obviously impacts PCO. I guess what I'm getting at is, can you unpack your expectations around pricing, price increases, power prices, inflation, other factors that are driving it to this adjusted gross margin target? More importantly or equally importantly, what's changed, in your view to raise this gross margin target by 10 percentage points at the midpoint?

I don't think that, the gross margin target has changed, actually, Bill, for the three to five year outlook. We are assuming that prices -- unit prices and unit costs that we're seeing today are intact in three to five years time. The reason we believe that is because there's tremendous demand for charging infrastructure that exceeds supply and with Tesla slowdown or withdrawal or whatever it is, I think just further reinforces demand exceeding supply, for charging infrastructure, in the long-term. I think as I said before, we are really in the early stages around the level of sophistication of pricing. I've talked a little bit about pricing in prior calls in terms of time of use pricing, clearly, obviously, location based pricing. But, we are introducing, and we have begun introducing, automated dynamic demand-based pricing, relatively small portion of the network, and I expect that to continue. For all those reasons, we felt that, there's really, only upside, actually in the margins as I look forward over time. The real drivers here, of course, is the tremendous tailwind of charge rates. Charge rates are rising, because vehicle mix, batteries in the vehicles that Americans are buying are getting faster, and we're deploying faster chargers on the road in our fleet. Together with a relatively modest utilization assumption generates some very compelling cash flows for stall.

Just to be clear, in the first quarter, you had a range of adjusted gross profit of $220 million to $300 million and a revenue of $600 million to $700 million. That midpoint is 40%. In this presentation, you have 314 adjusted gross profit at a revenue of $640 million. That's closer to 50%. We can take that offline, but it is a difference. My next question is, in the, just a settlement on election risk. So, you talked about the Dewey loans program, but you're engaged in the process, but how much timing risk should we think about this in advance of the election? Do you have a sense of urgency to get this funding done before the election? I guess, more broadly, what is your current thinking around policy support or any potential changes that we could see in a change in government?

Yes. I think a couple of things here. I think as we said in prior calls, people are buying electric vehicles across the United States. Some of the states that we're seeing the strongest demand for charging are actually states like Texas and Florida, a handful of other red or purple states. We're seeing -- what we're seeing on the ground are people buying electric vehicles across the United States and our charging demand is occurring across the United States, red states and blue states. I think that just speaks very well to the underlying demand. We think our business is successful and thrives under any administration. I think the IRA, particularly, is delivering hundred of billions of dollars of investment in a number of key states across United States. I think that's I think that's a very solid ground. The states that have gone after the NEVI program, although it's not a core part of our business today, as I said before, are tend to be red Republican states, and that's what we've seen over the course of the last year-and-a-half. We feel, actually in very good ground, with regardless of what happens in the election. In terms of DOE LPO, you will have seen, the DOE LPO, team are working very hard to get more, applications through their pipeline. Together with the work that we've had over the course of this last quarter, we feel pretty confident in being able to get conditional commitment, this year.

Your next question comes from the line of Craig Irwin from Roth Capital Partners. Your line is open.

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Definitely appreciate the update on the financing. In your prepared remarks, you talked about the eligibility of certain 2023 stalls, 2023 vintage stalls. In the presentation you said, '24 vintage, is now supposed to have 50% capital offsets. It was a $160 million spent or just under on CapEx in '23. Can you maybe help us sort of frame out what this incremental funding would be proportionate to the CapEx that was spent last year?

Sure. Stephanie, do you want to take that first?

Yes. Thanks for the question, Craig. I think it's a little bit, interesting because when we talk about fiscal CapEx versus vintage CapEx, it gets a little bit interesting because from a fiscal CapEx perspective, we spend in advance of the year of the vintage. As I mentioned in our prepared remarks, in terms of the amount that we have to spend now incrementally in advance, because we have shorter lead times, between mobilization and construction start, fiscal CapEx gets a little bit interesting. I'd rather speak to more of the vintage kind of concept. And so, from a vintage perspective, when we look at the 2024 vintage, what's driving the higher percentage of capital offsets is really the mix. One being that, it's a higher mix of the GM stalls that we've got. We've got higher reimbursements from the GM side of the partnership, as well as we've just been much more successful. We've been very, very focused in the past year with trying to maximize grant funding in our site selection. What you're seeing in the vintage side is really the results of a lot of the hard work that's gone on with really focusing on maximizing, the grant funding as well as the 30C coming into play as well. That's really what's driving the 50%. And so, the 2023 vintage stalls didn't have some of those elements in there or the extent that we have now. And so, the mix was also very different in the 2023 vintage. It's a little bit more challenging sort of to compare some of that, but hopefully that provides color, with the success that we're seeing with the 2024 vintage. We don't expect that same level of 50% to continue. As Badar mentioned when he spoke to the unit economics, when we're talking about the sort of 80% CapEx expectation in the 3 to 5 years, even if we had a lower percentage of capital offsets with the architecture that we're targeting, that's really where we're going to see a lot more of the improvements in in our cost structure.

Thank you.

Can I just add? I think the team has done a fantastic job of building stalls this year that have higher offsets, choosing stalls that are cheaper sites, building cheaper on the sites that we were expecting to build. I think all of that actually shows the flexibility that we have in our development pipeline where we can, in fact, move to sites that have these higher and more attractive cash flow profiles, as we've done this past quarter.

Understood. Understood. My next question, I guess, is something Bill was touching on, but I'll ask it a different way. If you look at the big picture, electricity rates are up about 30% in the last year, here in a bit here in North America. Your charging gross margins have gone from 19% to 34%. The utilization and efficiencies that you just mentioned are clearly going to benefit you now and going forward. But can you maybe unpack for us what you're doing that's allowing you to pass through this price increases? What sort of protection do you have or what sort of competitive dynamic is there, that's allowing you to pass-through efficiently these higher electricity costs, given that it's having a material impact in other areas of the economy?

Yes. It's a good question, Craig. Just to be, as a reminder, we have not increased prices. We are seeing expanding charging margin, because of the operating leverage that sits within cost of sales. At the end of last year roughly 40% of our cost of sales was fixed. And so, as utilization expands, as we're getting more usage on a per stall basis, which is exactly what we've been seeing for the better part of a year-and-a-half now and we will expect to continue to see, we will see expanding charging margin without any impact on prices. I think that is -- I think that's the beauty of the economic model that we have here, tremendous operating leverage in both cost of sales and tremendous operating leverage in G&A, where roughly 70% of our g and a is fixed. Once the store based the cash flow from store based times the number of stalls exceeds the fixed costs, all of those cash flow straight fall straight to the bottom-line. With respect to margins and prices beyond the operating leverage, that expansion that driven expansion that we've been seeing. As I said before, there is very strong underlying demand for fast charging infrastructure. Reasons I laid out, both underlying growth in battery electric vehicles, but also the several tailwinds that is shifting and growing the share of public charging. I'm not even covering, the charging that we may expect to get from Tesla VIO that's not currently showing up in our network. I think all of those reasons support margin unit margins, prices minus costs on a per cents per kilowatt hour basis, remaining, robust for the foreseeable future.

Thank you. My next question, I should probably start with, you know, we all appreciate the significant improvement in, disclosures over the last couple of quarters. The charging network gross margin is one of the items that all of us looking closely are kind of backfilling, in our models as we get the incremental quarters, as you print them. You mentioned the seasonality, right? We did have a dip of 550 basis points sequentially in these charging network gross margins, which was more than the year ago quarter. Can you maybe talk us through how things played out last year? Did we trough in the second or third quarter? I guess the math says, we obviously troughed, probably in the third quarter. But, how do we expect things to play this year as far as charging network gross margins, given the network charges and the other items that impact short-term margins here? And then, are there any of the items that, there's an apparent acceleration of stall build outs maybe, at the company. Are any of those expenses going to be there in the charging network gross margins as you disclose them at this point?

Quite a few things in there, Craig, but, let me also ask Stephanie to step in. We did have some one-offs in Q1, which we talked about on the last call that, pushed charging margin up about five percentage points. In terms of going forward, Q3 is typically the low point. It's where we have the highest tariffs for electricity that we buy. But, Stephanie, do you want to expand on either of those two points?

Sure. Yes. That's exactly it, Badar. Q1, as a reminder, we did have some breakage revenue, the one-time breakage revenue that impacted and drove favorability, because that was all 100% charging margin there. That amount was roughly $2.5 million that we saw as that one-time sort of adjustment. And then in Q2, you do start seeing, some of the summer tariffs hit, especially in the month of June is when you start seeing the cost rise. Q2 actually does -- already you start to see the seasonal shift in the charging network margin, and then and then where you see it for bore clearly is in Q3. Even last year, I think there, every period sort of has some one-time adjustments, and we did also have some one-time adjustments in the Q2, 2024, charging network margins as well. And so, sometimes it does create some unexpected variances that you would see. But going forward, really, what you we need to sort of focus in on is what the expected margin is with the seasonality. And so, even, as you're looking out to your forecasting for Q3 and Q4, again, you would expect to see that margin hit in Q3 and then bump back up in -- improve in Q4.

You mentioned the $2.5 million in the first quarter.

Yes.

With the delta in the second quarter either positive or negative? Can you possibly share that number with us?

The big -- normally with some of our partnership contracts, we have breakage that happens. Our largest contract that had breakage in there was our Nissan contract in Q1. And so that is not recurring. There's also -- in Q2 we didn't have any sort of material large one time adjustments. They were a series of smaller ones. There wasn't anything of that magnitude kind of all in there. Nothing to call out from that perspective, Craig, that, we would adjust of a similar magnitude, just a series of smaller one-time adjustments in various areas.

I think I think, Craig, if you take out the breakage that Stephanie definitely talked about in Q1, it gets you to about more or less the same, charging margin this quarter. We've clearly seen a slight improvement in utilization. You can see from the unit economic slide, any improvements in utilization and charge rate, improves charging margin, but we also have lower LCFS price this quarter than we had in the Q1. That's impacted the charging margin a little bit.

Yes. LCFS, as a percentage of total revenue is shrinking. It's less than 5%. But LCFS is also a 100% margin, that, to Badar's point, it will drive also volatility in your charging network margin. In terms of LCFS pricing right now, consistent with the rest of the market, I think we're expecting that it will hold to the current levels through the rest of this year. But, that clearly also will have -- can have an impact on the charging network margin.

Great. Thanks for the detail, and congrats on the, the strong progress.

Your next question comes from the line of William Griffin from UBS. Your line is open.

Hi, Badar. Good to speak with you all. My first question here was just, going back to the charging margin again here. Do you see implementation of dynamic pricing as potentially helping to drive more stable charging margin going forward around just increasing your ability you see in wholesale rates, or do you see this as more as a just increasing your ability to capture a higher margin during times of higher customer demand?

Really, what we're doing is, and I spoke about this on the call just now in the main part of the call. I think we have reached a level of scale and sophistication, where we are able to not just build chargers and hope people show up at whatever time of the day they want, but actually build chargers and increasingly impact when customers are charging. Charging throughout the day, where we've got utilization across all 24 hours. And so, therefore growing utilization without having challenges with queuing. And secondly, shifting demand where we're trying to get the right customers, if you will, charging at the right times of the day, where we're maximizing margin capture. That's what we're at, that's what we're doing, and that's that requires us to have sophisticated pricing, not just time of use and location-based pricing, but demand-based pricing. It also requires different and subscription programs, and it also requires sophisticated, outreach to customers, going live with a new customer database, customer data, and engagement platform as we did in the second quarter allows us to achieve all of that.

Got it. Just on the OEM partnerships, to the extent you can speak to it, would be curious to hear, sort of how conversations with GM have been going as you continue to partner with them. And then, to the extent you've had them conversations with other OEMs about potentially establishing, similar partnerships here in the future?

GM partnership is great. We have a very strong and very longstanding relationship with them. As Stephanie and I both said over the call, one of the reasons we have done a nice job on cash this quarter is that, we've had more stalls that are GM funded, cooperational than maybe we expect the beginning of the year. That's a result of strong partnership with them. That's going very well. In terms of other OEM discussions, we did do -- we'd be had announced a very, very small pilot infrastructure deal with Toyota, earlier this year where they funded the construction of a couple of locations for us. We are engaged in dialogue with about almost a dozen OEMs, ranging from either infrastructure dialogue to charging credits to data integration to help their drivers locate the charging stations that we have. We're pleased with the dialogue and we intend to continue with it.

Very good. That's all for me. Thanks.

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Pierce from Needham & Company. Your line is open.

Good morning, everyone. I'm looking at Slide 19. If you think about charge rate as the tip of the spear, what's kind of -- what can you control here? What's the governor? Like, should we see step function improvement in charge rate based on new cars that are being released and the new stalls that you're putting out there, because that drives throughput per stall, that drives utilization, that's where it seems to be the tip of the spear? I just want to think about the right way to think about charge rate over the next couple of years.

Yes. I mean, if you go back to our unit economic slide, Chris, we are expecting charge rates to get up to about 80% in three to five years, and that's that is simply a function of assuming that Americans are buying electric vehicles with the same mix they were last year. The same mix of higher charge versus lower charge rate vehicles. EVgo continues to install mostly 350 kilowatt chargers. Our mix of 350 kilowatt charges across our network expands. It's gone from 20% in the beginning of 2023 to just over 40% today, hopefully get up to about 50% by the end of this year. That'll continue, as it's mostly what we're deploying. Those two factors just by themselves will result in charge rates getting up to that 80% level in three to five years. That assumes no improvement in technology. That assumes, OEMs don't bring out faster charge rate cars, which, of course, they are. In other words, it assumes the vehicles that were on the market last year. Yes, I would expect to see charge rates continue over the next several years. As you have pointed out, charge rates and utilization of the two inputs into through daily throughput per store, which is all about the operating leverage that's growing charging margin quite nicely for us. I will say that, there is some seasonality in charge rates.

There is conservatism.

Charge rates tend to be, lower in the winter months, and higher in the summer months.

And then with the 10,000 stalls that you pencil, according to your prepared remarks, how do you -- I'm assuming competition for these stalls has lessened or, I guess, I don't really know if Tesla was using the same algorithm to sign find the same stalls, et cetera. But, have you thought about trying to increase the pace of stall growth? Or I'm just kind of curious what the competition is like for these sites versus industry changes in the past six months?

Yes. Look, we've got excellent relationships across the board, do you? We were talking about the relationships with OEMs. Just a minute ago, but we've got fantastic relationships with site hosts, as well as, other partners in the ecosystem. I think that's what differentiates EVgo from the dozens of smaller operators in the U.S. I think what also differentiates the company is, our very sophisticated site selection and proprietary algorithms that go into where we locate our stalls. I put up a chart on the prepared remarks of the sites are just getting better. The stuff that with the charging stations that we installed in 2023 are better than everything we installed every year prior. We feel very good that, there is a great set of sites that are out there for us. In terms of competition, I think it's still relatively early days in terms of Tesla's slowdown or withdrawal or whatever it is, but we expect to be able to continue the journey that we're at. In terms of accelerating our growth, of stalls, I mean, the financing that I've been talking about for the last couple of quarters, the goal is to be able to accelerate the pace of stalls. And so, I've talked about potentially accelerating that by up to 2x or more. That depends upon the quantum of the financing that we're able to achieve. Clearly, if we install no more stalls next year and reaching EBITDA breakeven, we would actually be cash flow positive at that point or cash flow breakeven. But, with the economics and the returns that I think these stalls present, I think, shareholders would expect us to continue to deploy at faster rates as long as we're generating these returns.

Okay. Thanks for the detail.

Your next question comes from the line of Andres Sheppard from Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open.

Hi. Good morning everyone. Thanks for taking our questions and congratulations on the quarter. A lot of our questions have been asked by now, but maybe to take a step back. I'm wondering, if you could elaborate on the 20% average utilization rate that you've experienced. In your view, how does this compare with the industry average, and what do you attribute to this 20%, average usage? Thank you.

We've seen tremendously strong underlying demand that is both in terms of growth in the sales of battery electric vehicles. Again to point out, the majority of our network today are non-Tesla vehicles, which we've seen new sales of non-Tesla vehicles grow 35% year-over-year, Q2 versus Q2 last year. We're also seeing, multiple tailwinds that we expect to continue to see, for the foreseeable future that's growing the share of public charging. That's electrifying, rideshare that's electrifying, affordable vehicles, attracting people without charging at home. Over time, autonomous vehicles, faster charge rates, the earlier question, actually encourages people to charge on public locations, because they're able to charge much faster. All those things are driving underlying demand, it's why throughput on our network has grown 4x faster than the growth -- the growth in throughput has grown 4x faster than the growth in VIO. That's what's driving utilization from 11% to 20%. I think as Stephanie said, that's 21% for the month of June. We're very pleased with that. In addition, as I said on the call, we are now deploying reasonably sophisticated campaigns to encourage customers to charge at all hours of the day where we don't experience queuing issues that may be less sophisticated charge point operators, will are experiencing today.

Got it. That that's helpful. But I guess, you know, specifically to EVgo, you know, how does that 20% average utilization rate for DC fast charging in public locations, compared to maybe the industry average in your view? Thank you.

I don't know if anybody has the data, to be able to answer that question definitively. My expectation is that, we have better, stronger utilization rates for a number of reasons. A, we're deploying these sophisticated programs to be able to get customers to charge throughout the day, through subscription programs, marketing efforts, the pricing programs. And b, our locations tend to be in urban, suburban locations versus highway locations, and we've been deploying some very sophisticated algorithms to choose sites that have the best performance, which keeps getting better over time through, part of the chart I showed in terms of new vintage stalls, having higher throughput, daily throughput than prior years. I think for all those reasons, I expect that we're performing better than the market average.

That concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back over to CEO, Badar Khan, for some closing remarks.

Great. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. We've had, I think, yet another great and record quarter that continues to be strong underlying demand and multiple tailwinds that public fast charging operators continue to benefit for years to come. EVgo has reached a level of scale, where we now have multiple sources of competitive advantage over the dozens of smaller operators in the states. The trajectory of our unit economics, I think you can clearly see that we are on a path to EBITDA breakeven in 2025. More importantly, with the operating leverage that we have in the business, there's very strong EBITDA growth and returns potential. I look forward to providing more updates to you on future calls. Thanks very much everyone.

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