Mark Casale
Analyst · JPMorgan
Thanks for the questions. I think the first 1 on affordability, I'm not sure where we are in the cycle. And remember, just in context, we've had this anomaly, right? We had the COVID anomaly with super low rates and everyone just buying stuff, houses, boats, cars, bicycles. It drove up HPA 40% in some markets, 60% in others. And then boom, in the middle of 2022, rates shot up and a way just froze people. They call it the golden handcuffs, people with 3% mortgage rates and they stayed elevated. Rates went up and so this has really resulted in affordability because incomes didn't really grow and now you have higher home prices and higher rates. It really has created the second anomaly that we're still in. Fortunately for Essent, we're well positioned for this environment. We saw tailwinds in investment yields, and we've seen unprecedented persistency. In addition to still driving business and uniquely, Rick, the quality of borrower we're getting in this environment is actually quite good because of the affordability issues. Only the best kind of qualify. I do think, and I said this before, it's -- so when you think about our insurance in force, it's relatively flattish, which drives a lot of, what I'll call, free cash flow to the bottom line. So again, we're well positioned. But this next cycle will really play out or end when incomes catch up. And I think when incomes catch up, I don't really see rates going anywhere. I could see pockets of HPA declining, which I think is relatively healthy, but the consumer really is going to have to catch up. And then you're going to have life events, right? You're going to have people getting married, more homeownership formation, having more children, death, divorce, all those sort of things that will unlock some supply. But here's a great metric for where I think the market is a little bit stuck. The average age of the first-time homeowner was 38. That tells me there's a lot of pent-up demand for housing. So growth in our portfolio will renew. And longer term, Rick, for Essent and for the other mortgage insurers, we're going to grow the way housing grows in this country and it's always grown. It doesn't always grow in a straight line. That's why when we say longer term, we're constructive that we've been able to kind of wait this period out and continue to generate strong returns. The only problem I have is I'm not sure when that's going to happen. I don't think it's going to happen this year, but I think we're getting closer to it. I think on your location standpoint, I would say we -- with our pricing model, and remember, we have 2 parts to it. There's the engine -- the credit engine part of it, EssentEDGE, and then we just have ability to electronically deliver pricing. That allows us to kind of make a lot -- numerous pricing changes. We've actually raised pricing in certain markets during the first part of the year, really trying to test pricing elasticity where we may have a larger share in certain markets. Generally, we're more concentrated in areas where there's a lot more population growth. If you look at our segment, we tend to like places where people are moving to and jobs are moving to. And so we're more -- I would say we're a little bit more invested there. That being said, you're always trying to get more price in certain areas and then other places, you're backing off. So we look at it that way. And again, like I said in the earlier part, pockets of HPA decline, I do think longer term, are healthy for the market.