Mark Casale
Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is now open.
Yes. Hey, Melissa, It's Mark. It's a good question. We would say -- we said it before, there's kind of the books are really broken into two parts. It's the -- I would call it the pre-June 2022 book, which is before rates really rose, and then there's the post book, post 2022 book when it's at much higher rates, higher HPA. I would say, to your point, it's definitely impacted affordability. I think our response though is and I think it's been the industry response is we've raised rates, right? So from a unit economic standpoint, Melissa, we feel like the unit economics of the business are actually quite strong. I think the pricing when you compare kind of earlier books to where we are in the last 18, 24 months, we feel pretty comfortable with the return. So yes, it's -- you can see it, you may see higher losses come through. But again, I think we're pricing for it. In terms of lower rates, I think it's a really good point. I pointed -- I touched on it within my response to Soham. If rates come down, clearly, that book will have increased refinance activity. I would expect it to be there versus that 2020 and 2021 book where the average rate is 3%, 3.1%, 3.2%, that's really that lock in effect isn't going anywhere, even if rates go, let's call it, into the mid-5s. But I do think -- I think it's actually really beneficial for the borrower, right? They bought a home, they stretched either on DTI, but they're making the payments for sure as we can see it. But if all of a sudden, you get 100 basis-point drop or 150 basis-point drop, that really does help the borrower refinance. And I would say they're going to refinance at kind of lower rates, and really help them on the payment and affordability. That's probably a good thing for the industry.