Mark Casale
Analyst · Bank of America.
Yes. I think Rick alluded to it earlier. It's really bifurcated, right? So the core of that 2021 book is isolated. And yes, we would expect I think where the defaults go is going to be where unemployment goes here. I mean it's -- we're just levered to unemployment. And so our view is unemployment could go up, our defaults could rise in that kind of 2021 cohort but we don't see a high level of claims coming out of it because of the embedded HPA. I mean it's a really -- so when we've talked to certain investors that are worried about a housing recession, of course, everyone is natural. If you don't follow the industry, everyone's natural inclination is to go back to the great recession. But the -- great recession, the portfolio that the MIs had versus today is literally night and day. I mean, you're talking about a 705 FICO layered risk, 30% of the product originated in the great recession is no longer even eligible for the GSEs. So, we have a much better kind of credit book. We have again, like I said, the embedded HPA and obviously, we have the reinsurance protection. So the MIs had that uncapped liability on their book, back pre-crisis, we don't have that. I mean, 98% of the book is covered. So that whole mess piece is being offloaded. And so we feel good about that. A couple of other things to think through just in terms of credit, just not at that portfolio but just going forward, we said there's a little bit more risk given the elevated HPA. Don't forget that the GSEs play a big role in this. So the GSEs, in fact, one of the GSEs has tightened their credit box recently around the tails but we're a big beneficiary of that. So -- and as we said, I actually think we said this on our roadshow, one of the best things that's happened to the MI industry. It was the adoption of the qualified mortgage rule. I mean that is all of that non-QM being originated over the last few years would all be sitting in our portfolio and it's not. So that's all what I call off the fairway type loans and there's a different execution for that through the POS market. But that -- if that was -- if the GSEs were taking on that risk, that would be sitting in our portfolio. So, I just think it’s a much different dynamic both in the core portfolio. And obviously, the risk on the newer business is probably -- absent HPA is still pretty good risk.