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Q2 2024 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 1, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Q2 2024 EPR Properties Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference call is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Brian Moriarty, Senior Vice President of Corporate Communications. Please go ahead.

Brian Moriarty

Analyst

All right. Thank you. Thanks for joining us today for our second quarter 2024 earnings call and webcast. Participants on today's call are Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO; Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO, and Mark Peterson, Executive Vice President and CFO. I'll start the call by informing you that this call may include forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Act of 1995, identified by such words as will be, intend, continue, believe, may, expect, hope, anticipate, or other comparable terms. The company's actual financial condition and the results of operations may vary materially from those contemplated by such forward-looking statements. Discussion of those factors that could cause results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements are contained in the company's SEC filings, including the company's reports on Form 10-K and 10-Q. Additionally, this call will contain references to certain non-GAAP measures, which we believe are useful in evaluating the company's performance. A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in today's earnings release and supplemental information furnished to the SEC under Form 8-K. If you wish to follow along, today's earnings release, supplemental and earnings call presentation are all available on the Investor Center page of the company's website, www.eprkc.com. Now I'll turn the call over to Greg Silvers.

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

Thank you, Brian. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's second quarter 2024 earnings call and webcast. For the quarter, we are pleased to deliver solid results that demonstrate continued momentum and progress in building [technical difficulty] sorry about that guys. In building -- demonstrate continued momentum and progress in building the leading diversified experiential REIT. Our sustained rent coverage numbers illustrate broad consumer demand across our customer industries in both our triple net leased and mortgage portfolios. In our managed operating properties, we are working to recapture market share of the previously closed managed theaters, and aligned with the broader industry, we're seeing some demand normalization from post-COVID highs and expense pressures in our experiential lodging. Greg will provide more details in these areas. Box office continues to show its time-tested resiliency. Whether it's surprising the industry by over delivering with a film like Twisters or meeting high expectations with the greatly anticipated Deadpool & Wolverine, the box office is maintaining momentum. We look forward to additional titles making their way to the big screen for the remainder of the year. Additionally, last week, AMC announced several refinancing transactions that extend the majority of their 2026 debt maturities to 2029 and 2030, while also providing the potential to reduce their overall net debt position. We view this as a very positive event as it substantially mitigates their near-term debt maturity risk. While theater exhibition remains a vital part of our business, it's important to remind everyone that our growth in experiential real estate is focused outside of theaters. We remain committed to acquiring creative, compelling, and often award-winning experiential properties. Our recent investments in natural hot springs, resorts, spas, climbing gyms and indoor karting exemplify such investments. We remain confident that consumer spending on experiential activities will continue to consistently grow, and we have proven our ability to identify enduring concepts and capture that growth for the benefit of our shareholders. As we move into the second half of 2024 and into 2025, we feel very optimistic about our potential. At a macro level, we're seeing a moderation of inflation and the expectation of interest rate reductions. We are also very well positioned with strong liquidity and significant financial flexibility. Additionally, while improved, our multiple remains historically low and we offer a well-covered strong dividend. As we continue to execute our plan and perceived risks such as the AMC refinancing are mitigated, we are confident we will see multiple expansion. We look forward to rewarding our investors with the strong total shareholder returns that we've historically delivered. Now I'll turn the call over to Greg Zimmerman to go over the business in greater detail.

Gregory Zimmerman

Analyst

Thanks, Greg. At the end of the quarter, our total investments were approximately $6.9 billion with 354 properties that are 99% leased excluding properties we intend to sell. During the quarter, our investment spending was $46.9 million. 100% of the spending was in our experiential portfolio. Our experiential portfolio comprises 284 properties with 51 operators and accounts for 93% of our total investments or approximately $6.4 billion, and at the end of the quarter, excluding the properties we intend to sell, was 99% leased. Our education portfolio comprises 70 properties with eight operators, and at the end of the quarter, excluding the properties we intend to sell, was 100% leased. Turning to coverage, the most recent data provided is based on a March trailing 12-month period. Overall portfolio coverage remains strong at 2.2 times, unchanged from last quarter. Trailing 12-month coverage for theaters is 1.7 times with box office at $8.8 billion for the same period. Our theater coverage reporting assumes that the Regal deal was in place for the entire trailing 12-month period. Trailing 12-month coverage for the non-theater portion of our portfolio is 2.6 [technical difficulty]. Now I'll update you on the operating status of our tenants. Our theater coverage is at 2019 levels, even though North American box office remains well below 2019 levels. Turning to box office and state of the industry, North American box office was $1.9 billion for Q2 and $3.6 billion for the first half of the year. The first six months of 2024 were down 19% over the same period in 2023 due to the impact of the actors and writers strikes, but led by strong performances by Inside Out 2 and Bad Boys: Ride or Die, June's $965 million gross was only down 4% from June 2023. Inside Out 2 dramatically…

Mark Peterson

Analyst

Thank you, Greg. Today I will discuss our financial performance for the second quarter, provide an update on our balance sheet, and close with an update on our 2024 guidance. FFO as adjusted for the quarter was $1.22 per share versus $1.28 in the prior year, and AFFO for the quarter was $1.20 per share compared to $1.31 in the prior year. Note that there were no out-of-period deferral collections from cash basis customers included in income for the quarter versus $7.3 million in the prior year, resulting in a decrease of nearly $0.10 per share versus prior year. Now, moving to the key variances, total revenue for the quarter was $173.1 million versus $172.9 million in the prior year. Within total revenue, rental revenue decreased by $6.8 million versus the prior year. The positive impact of net investment spending over the past year was more than offset by the reduction in out-of-period deferral collections that I just mentioned as well as a reduction in rental revenue related to the Regal restructuring that took place in August of 2023. Within rental revenue, percentage rents for the quarter were $2 million versus $2.1 million in the prior year. Recall that percentage rent for theaters under the Regal master lease is expected to be recognized in July of Q3, the last month of the lease year. Additionally, within rental revenue, straight-line rent increased by $1.6 million sequentially versus last quarter, primarily due to a fitness and wellness property that was placed in service in March. Per the terms of the lease for this asset, rent for the first six months of the lease, which represents March to August, is being accrued into the basis for determining future cash rent. Thus, straight-line rent will remain a bit elevated into Q3, but then is…

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

Thank you, Mark. As we've discussed today, our business remains solid and consumer demand continues to support our experiential properties. As Greg mentioned, we're further encouraged that we've gotten past the lack of theatrical content that was caused by the strikes and impacted the first half of the year. We view these developments as well as the AMC refinancing as catalysts to continue to propel us forward to a more reasonable equity multiple. We look forward to this progression as it allows us to once again capitalize on the many opportunities that our experiential platform offers and to continue to deliver outstanding results for our shareholders. With that, let's open it up for questions. Carine?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Joshua Dennerlein of Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Farrell Granath

Analyst

Hi, good morning. This is Farrell Granath on behalf of Josh. Thanks for the question. I wanted to just first ask, how are you seeing, currently in your investment pipeline, one, how it is in the competition, the market set as well as cap rates that you're seeing going forward compared to what you're seeing today and what you may be seeing going forward?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

Yes, and I'll let Greg add some color to this, but I think in our world, which we've said, to a large degree, is acquisitions in that kind of $25 million to $125 million range in the experiential area. We're still seeing not a tremendous amount of competition. And while I think our operators are being thoughtful about their growth, they're still growing, as indicated by our recent kind of Andrettis undertaking, as we've said, we've opened some recent top golfs in the last year. So they continue to grow and we continue to be supportive of that. But Greg?

Gregory Zimmerman

Analyst

Yes. And to also answer the cap rate question, the cap rates we're seeing are solid in the 8s, and I don't see a lot of change in that over the near term. The other thing I would add with respect to competition in the marketplace is, we're just very good at finding deals that other people probably don't find. So in the first quarter, we were able to acquire a waterpark in upstate New York. And again, I don't know that there was much competition for that. So those are the kind of deals that we're able to find based on our experience and the quality of our portfolio.

Farrell Granath

Analyst

Great. Thank you. And also, I guess, kind of bigger picture, we're thinking about the consumer, many especially on the lower end are facing higher pressures. Are you seeing that flow through to your tenant base or is there an area that is maybe being impacted the most?

Gregory Zimmerman

Analyst

Like I said, and as we talked about coverage being a quarter delayed, we're still not seeing that. And I would say, I think anecdotally what we're hearing is at the very low end of the consumer, where there's probably more pressure, our properties are generally solid, middle-class kind of offerings. And what we're seeing is everyone has been dealing with cost pressure, whether it's insurance or wages. Those are starting to work their way through the system and kind of dissipate a little bit, but so far we've seen continued solid results. Greg?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

Also, I think if you look at our portfolio, probably the most value-oriented proposition we have is theater tickets. And you can see from Deadpool & Wolverine this weekend, people are not shy about going to the theater. So yes, I would agree with Greg. We're not really seeing that yet.

Farrell Granath

Analyst

Great. Thank you so much.

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Smedes Rose of Citi. Your line is now open.

Smedes Rose

Analyst

Hi. Thank you. I just wanted to ask a little bit more about the Regal percentage rents falling short. And I guess that's really just a function of their fiscal year, including the back half of last year, so they wouldn't get the sort of incremental improvement you're seeing in the box office. I just want to see if I'm thinking about that correctly. And I guess what gives you confidence that your other tenants will be able to make up the shortfall. Like where are you seeing kind of incremental strength, I guess, that would offset the Regal shortfall?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

Again, Smedes, thanks. I think remember, the lease year for Regal runs from August 1st to July 31st. So again, what we saw this year was they're kind of right in the heart of the strikes and the impact of the strikes. We do -- as Greg mentioned, we are getting some recovery of that in June and July. So we got a solid couple of months as we pick up out of that, but I think it's truly about the lease year. And if you look at kind of where the estimates are for the balance of the year relative to what we did in the first half of the year, meaning we, the theater industry, you can see the strength is really in the second half of this year. And so I think that reflects kind of the impact from the strikes and the ability to get that back. As far as how we're going to make it up, again, we already talked about, and I think in Greg's comments and in Mark's comments, we talked about we had other percentage rent that we didn't anticipate in our ski industry. We're seeing some other strengths in various places. So we feel confident of our ability to recover that and therefore did not change our guidance.

Smedes Rose

Analyst

Okay. I guess when you say other strengths in various places, I think last quarter you just talked about some of the JVs having percentage rents as part of their structure, including like some St. Petersburg exposure, some RV exposure. And I know you're a quarter lagged, but the consumer is clearly weakening and we're seeing that kind of across the board. And I'm just wondering, you're -- so you're not yet, I guess, seeing -- are you still so confident that in those areas where you'll likely see weakness, you won't see any shortfalls on the percentage rent side?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

Again, I get what we're saying is -- you're saying the consumer is clearly weakening, but like I said, we just had a ski tenant that paid above what our estimates were in that, and we just had a theater opening that was $200 million. So while there may be some weakening, we're still seeing some strength in some areas.

Gregory Zimmerman

Analyst

Yes, I think in those JVs we don't get percentage rents from those. So that doesn't impact the percentage rents, the St. Petersburg and the RV parks.

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

It would be in our net lease.

Gregory Zimmerman

Analyst

Yes. We did acknowledge a couple of times in our scripts the fact that there is some industry weakness that we're seeing as well, impacting the experiential lodging somewhat in ADR, kind of coming off of COVID highs, and there is some expense pressures, particularly in things like insurance and particularly in Florida insurance, where we have two of our JV hotels. And that's part of the reason why we've taken down that guidance a bit, but no, it does not -- none of those impact percentage rents.

Smedes Rose

Analyst

Okay, okay. So thank you. Thank you for clarifying. I wanted to just ask you one last question. When you close theater, it sounds like due to lack of CapEx investment, I mean, is that something in your -- I guess, your contracts going forward now that would be avoided? Are the operators required maybe to continue to invest in order to keep a theater up to operating standards?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

Yes. Remember, those were in an operating theater that we had taken back. So again, part of that lack of maintenance CapEx was probably a direct result. Now, like Greg of -- Regal being in bankruptcy and some things they should have done during that period of time, but did not. So our normal kind of lease provisions do require kind of ordinary maintenance and upkeep, but these were, Smedes, in our -- in one of the operating properties for which we had taken back.

Gregory Zimmerman

Analyst

Yes, Smedes. The other thing I would say is it wasn't just maintenance CapEx. It was also CapEx to improve the experience because during the Regal bankruptcy, some competing theaters had substantially upgraded in the trade area, and we just found it was going to be very expensive to try to keep up. So again, one of the things we value about Cinemark is they look at the portfolio and tell us what they really think and we came to a joint conclusion about it.

Smedes Rose

Analyst

Okay. All right. Thank you, guys.

Gregory Zimmerman

Analyst

Thanks, Smedes.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from John Kilichowski from Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

John Kilichowski

Analyst

Hi. Thank you. If we could circle back to the opening remarks, you talked about AMC putting out that 8-K, detailing some of the refinancing they did with two creditor groups. It sounded like a positive pushing out some of those maturities to '29 and '30, but maybe could you talk about the structure a little bit more? I'm just curious your thoughts on the execution there. I'm looking at the 8-K now. It's a bit complicated, very lengthy. I'm seeing things like 10% cash, 12% pick on some of this. And I'm just curious what you think about the execution overall or if this is just giving them a little bit of breathing time before inevitable issues down the road.

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

I mean, I think anybody would say, John, that it's giving them breathing time. I mean, they've had the ability to continue to raise capital to deploy. I think we would still say their balance sheet is too leveraged, but the immediacy of hitting a debt maturity was the concern that was voiced most often to us about our relationship with them. They continue to be able -- and seem to be able to meet their debt obligations. And I think, again, it gives them time to get to a -- as we've talked about today, in the strength of '25 and '26 in the film calendar, to get to a period that may allow them to further execute that. It also doesn't eliminate, as they've done over the past few years, of their continued ability to raise equity and pay down debt. So again, it -- I would think your characterization of breathing room is accurate, but Greg or Mark, maybe you guys have anything further to add to that.

Mark Peterson

Analyst

No, I think, as Greg said, we got an improving box office going forward and now they've set themselves up to make it through that period in good shape without the -- alleviating the risk of bankruptcy. And from our perspective, we have our master lease; we have the best properties. We feel good about our collateral and feel good about the situation kind of no matter what happens.

John Kilichowski

Analyst

Got it. Thank you. And then maybe just jumping over to the transaction market, I guess, more generally, have you seen seller willingness change as we approach a potential fed cut?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

I think we -- I think there's no doubt that people are definitely thinking about what the impact of that is. As we keep reminding people, a 25 basis fed cut is probably not as much of an impact as people may think. But I would say we are -- we have entered in a time where everybody is painfully aware of the 10-year yield as most of us in this industry price off of, and they pay attention to it more. I think what drives people more now is simply growing their business. And I think what this does is it eliminates the marginal projects. They're really strong projects that tenants have commitment to. We're seeing them go forward with. As these are kind of, like I said, marginal projects, I think those are challenging. But Greg?

Gregory Zimmerman

Analyst

Yes. I completely agree and the fact that we were able to execute NNN ready [ph] deals this year shows that people are still in the market growing. I agree with Greg. Obviously, people are being cautious, as are we, given our cost of capital.

John Kilichowski

Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

Thank you.

Gregory Zimmerman

Analyst

Thanks, John.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Carroll of RBC. Your line is now open.

Michael Carroll

Analyst

Yes. Thanks. I wanted to touch on the -- what's driving the drop in other income and other expenses this quarter. I believe that relates to your TRS business. And I think, Mark, in your prepared remarks, I think you mentioned something about expense pressure at experience lodging. I'm not sure -- I'm sorry if I missed this, but if you can provide some details on what kind of drove that drop in earnings for those line items.

Mark Peterson

Analyst

Yes, sure. So if you look at for the quarter and year-to-date, what we have running through the consolidated financials, other income and other expense, is the seven operating theaters in Kartrite. If you think about two of those operating theaters were operated in both periods, and obviously box office was lower both for the quarter and for the six months versus the prior year. So you had lower results there versus the prior year. On the other operating theaters we took back from Regal, those two were -- had lower box office than expected due to the impact of the strikes. So we think it is -- and then we got an offset at expense, but maybe not as much as expected. And I think part of the expense pressure in that area was spending by the new operators to kind of regain market share as they continue to manage those theaters post Regal. And then a third thing on Kartrite, Kartrite revenue in line. They've had a bit of cost pressures on insurance and utilities and a couple other line items. So I think, all in all, if you look at the kind of year-to-date sort of theater, lower box office and a bit of expense pressures. The good news as you move into guidance for the year though, we expect that the operating theaters perform significantly better in the back half of the year, as box office rises. We're still going to have a reduction in revenue just because of the fact we're shutting down one of the theaters. So overall revenue is still down, but a lot due to that shutting down of the one theater. On the expense side, you're not seeing the reduction there, just because of what I just mentioned, some of the elevated expenses of theater transition and management and some of the Kartrite expenses. So that's on the consolidated. We're down about $2 million in our guidance net with respect to that. The experiential lodging comment relates to Kartrite, but it also relates to the unconsolidated JVs. So that's our St. Petersburg hotels and the RV water -- sorry, and the RV parks. And there the pressures are kind of industry wide in the experiential lodging relating to -- on the expense side, again, insurance, particularly, like I said in my remarks, in Florida, insurance has gone up a lot on the St. Petersburg hotels, and then there's been a little bit of softness in ADR industry wide in experiential lodging across the hotels and the RV parks. So that's really the kind of the impact for the quarter and sort of the outlook for the year in both the consolidated and the JVs.

Michael Carroll

Analyst

Okay. And then within the operating theater bucket, I know that you decided to kind of shut one down. I guess, what about the other assets within those buckets? I mean, how are they performing and how are they positioned in the market? I mean, is there any concern or thought that you're going to need to kind of shift strategies in any of those specific theaters?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

I think -- and this is Greg, Michael. I think we're constantly looking at those things right now. Clearly, we don't think that. I think it's market by market. You look at kind of what -- as Greg talked about, do you have to make investment in it to compete? Again, if you look at the other, several of the other theaters, they're much newer, more modern. So there's not -- it doesn't mean though that if we get offers or we consider and there's a real estate play that makes more money, I mean, our job is to drive value. So we will constantly be evaluating kind of what the best option is. And when we look at the property that we shut down in Los Angeles relative to the idea, it made sense to pursue that as a real estate solution.

Gregory Zimmerman

Analyst

Yes. Michael, the other thing I would add is, obviously the box office recovery will weigh into this. I mean, we just made the decision before Deadpool, not that it would have changed it, because we didn't see a path, but it'll be interesting to see how the others perform with the box office recovering as strongly [technical difficulty].

Michael Carroll

Analyst

Okay, great. And then just last one from me is, I know you increased your box office guidance for this year. What specifically drove that increase? Was it just the performance that you've seen over the past few months, or is it the expectation of better performance in the back half of the year? So I guess what drove that increase? And then also, can you kind of touch on what you're expecting for 2025, if you have any early read-throughs on what you think the box office can do next year?

Mark Peterson

Analyst

Yes. We don't have any guidance for 2025 yet. I would say the calendar is shaping up very nicely. So on a general proposition, we think it'll clearly exceed this year's box office, and I would hope that it's solidly in the $9 billion range. So we'll probably have more to talk about that toward the end of the year, Michael. With respect to this year, it's both. One, the complete outperformance of the past handful of titles. I mean, if you look at Deadpool's at $261 million, Despicable Me, $293 million; Twisters, kind of out of nowhere, $159 million, and Inside Out 2, $615 million. So these all outperformed dramatically. And then, as I mentioned, there are a number of $150 million titles projected for the end of the year. So we're very comfortable with the increase in the guidance. And again, I think it comes back to the fact that there is a cadence of solid releases when -- the more movies there are in theaters, the more reason people have to go, and they will return, even if they weren't planning on seeing a movie because they saw it on the marquee or maybe the other one was sold out, whatever. The point is people are returning to the theaters.

Michael Carroll

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Mark Peterson

Analyst

Thank you, Michael.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Rob Stevenson of Janney Montgomery Scott. Your line is now open.

Rob Stevenson

Analyst

Good morning, guys. Greg or Greg, have you seen any solid income-producing theaters with term left and leased to one of the major operators trade in the marketplace over the last quarter or two?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

Again, it's still rare, but we have -- there have been some reported things that are at lease discussions. And I think that market's starting to open up as people start to see the visibility and the return of that. I think there are a couple of data points that are helping people; Cinemark's recent debt deal where they did a debt deal at 7% and reaffirmed their kind of credit rating. So I think you're starting to see a little bit of the thawing of that. And hopefully, as we move through the balance of this year and especially into next year where the recovery is more robust, I think you'll start to see a further thawing of that. But Greg?

Gregory Zimmerman

Analyst

Yes, I agree. I can't say that we've seen an actual transaction, but I agree. There's certainly thawing.

Rob Stevenson

Analyst

Okay. And then Mark, I know you said that the $137 million of debt coming due in a few weeks is going to be done on the line. If you had to do that or the $300 million that's coming due in April in the unsecured market today, where are you -- where would you be pricing debt today in the current environment and the uncertainty?

Mark Peterson

Analyst

Yes. The good news is spreads are low, and for us, I think the latest quote I got is a little over 210 as far as the spread. So it would put us under 6.25 to do a 10-year right now. As I mentioned, the $136 million, we have cash in the bank, nothing drawn on the lines. We'd intend to take that out with the line of credit. As we move to next year and have that $300 million maturity and start to grow our investments, we'll start to look at the debt market as we move into 2025 to term out what's on the line of credit. But it'd be, like I said, a little over 200 spread right now. Hopefully, treasuries come down as people's hopes and so that we're maybe a little lower when we go to need to issue in 2025.

Rob Stevenson

Analyst

Okay. And then last one for me, in the prepared remarks, you guys talked about the 71% payout ratio of AFFO. How much cushion do you guys have right now to keep the dividend at that $0.285 per month and not have to raise it to keep it in REIT compliance? Or is that something the Board's going to have to address here in the near term?

Mark Peterson

Analyst

I mean, we always look at taxable income relative to our dividend. We're in good shape with respect to that. I think we're going to keep on the cadence of keeping in that range of AFFO per share payout ratio. And I think as we move forward, we can comfortably do that with our taxable income. So I don't think there's pressure, but I think we will grow the dividend, can measure it with increase in AFFO per share and kind of keep at that same percentage.

Rob Stevenson

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks, guys.

Mark Peterson

Analyst

Thanks.

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

Thanks, Rob.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Upal Rana. Your line is now - of KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Upal Rana

Analyst

Great. Thank you for taking my questions. With most of the vacant dispositions largely complete, what's the next bucket of dispositions that you may be targeting?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

I would say, and we've always maintained that the education is not strategic long term for us, and we'll look at that. And likewise, we've said, as that market returns, we want to lower exposure to theater. So I would say those two buckets, operating theaters, meaning those that have leased and have an income stream and our education, if we're looking to recycle.

Upal Rana

Analyst

Great. Thank you. And then appreciate your comments on the AMC restructuring, but I'm assuming this now takes any kind of risk off the table with AMCs escalator slated to hit next year.

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

We didn't think there was any risk to it anyway, so yes. We feel very confident with the strength of our portfolio that there was no risk to that, but yes, I mean, I think what this does is those people who were worried about bankruptcy risk or a wall of maturity hitting, forcing that, that has removed that issue.

Upal Rana

Analyst

Okay, great. Thanks. And then I was wondering, who's buying the vacant theaters? And what are the plans with that kind of space? Will that space, you can get redeveloped into updated theaters or other uses? I just want to kind of see if there's any read-through on the ongoing consolidation across the theater industry.

Gregory Zimmerman

Analyst

Yes. I don't think -- this is Greg. I don't think you can take much of a read-through. So over the past -- since COVID, we've sold 21 theaters. About a third of them are being used as theaters, and they tend to be a local smaller operator that sees an opportunity because it's already a theater and they can buy some of the equipment. We've had others used for industrial, office space, multifamily, retail, so redevelopment plays. It really does depend on the location of the real estate, and that's the way we market them. We never market them solely as theaters. We just put out a marketing piece and the market decides what the highest and best use is for the theater.

Upal Rana

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Gregory Zimmerman

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes the question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn it over to Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO.

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

Thank you, everyone. We appreciate your time and attention, and look forward to talking to you in the near future. Thanks, everyone.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.