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Q3 2018 Earnings Call· Tue, Oct 30, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the EPR Properties third quarter 2018 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today’s conference, Brian Moriarty, Vice President, Corporate Communications. Sir, you may begin.

Brian Moriarty

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, Ashley. And thanks to everyone for joining us today for our third quarter 2018 earnings call. I’ll start the call today by informing you that this call may include forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, identified by such words as "will be," "intend," "continue," "believe," "may," "expect," "hope," "anticipate," or other comparable terms. The company’s actual financial condition and the results of operations may vary materially from those contemplated by such forward-looking statements. A discussion of these factors that could cause results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements are contained in the company’s SEC filings, including the company’s reports on Form 10-K and 10-Q. Now, I’ll turn the call over to company President and CEO, Greg Silvers.

Greg Silvers

Analyst

Thank you, Brian. And good morning, everyone. Welcome to our third quarter 2018 earnings call. As always, I'd like to remind everyone that slides are available to follow along via our website at www.eprkc.com. With me on the call today is the company’s CFO, Mark Peterson, who will review the company's financial summary.

Mark Peterson

Analyst

Good morning.

Greg Silvers

Analyst

First, I'll get started with our quarterly headlines, then discuss the business in greater detail. First, strong quarter boosted by prepayment fees. As compared to the same quarter previous year, our top line revenue grew by 17% and FFO as adjusted per share grew by 25%. The results were driven by strong business fundamentals and from the payment in full on the Och-Ziff Real Estate mortgage note. This note as structured allowed us to recognize an additional prepayment fee of $20 million in the third quarter. Two, tenant segments demonstrate strength. Box office revenues are up significantly versus the previous year and our diversified portfolio of property types and operators within our education and attraction investments illustrated solid performance. The consumer continues to demonstrate their preference for experiences and our portfolio and tenets are well-positioned to benefit from that preference. Number three, capital recycling plan execution. We are pleased with the successful execution of our capital recycling plan that we initiated at the start of the year. We continue to expect this plan, along with free cash flow, will fully fund our investment spending for the year without the need to issue additional equity. Furthermore, these transactions have proven the inherent value of experiential assets and demonstrated their liquidity in the marketplace. Four, balance sheet strength. With strong financial coverage ratios, 99% unsecured debt and no debt maturities until 2022, we have the balance sheet strength and financial flexibility to continue our success into 2019. And finally, five, increasing earnings guidance. Our positive results to date, along with our outlook for the year, allow us to again increase our earnings guidance for the year. Our healthy pipeline of opportunities, along with our unique expertise and experiential assets, positions us well to continue to deliver strong results. Now, I’ll discuss the…

Mark Peterson

Analyst

Thank you, Greg. I’d like to remind everyone on the call that our quarterly investor supplemental can be downloaded from our website. Now, turning to the first slide, net income for the third quarter was $85.8 million or $1.15 per share compared to $57 million or $0.77 per share in the prior-year. FFO was $116.5 million compared to $90.5 million in the prior-year. FFO as adjusted for the quarter increased to $119.6 million versus $93.3 million in the prior-year and was $1.58 per share versus $1.26 per share in the prior-year, an increase of over 25%. I’d like to point out that the results for this quarter include the $20 million in prepayment fees or $0.26 per diluted share related to the $75 million payoff of the Och-Ziff mortgage note that Greg mentioned. We also had one adjustment to FFO to come to FFO as adjusted that I would like to discuss. As I mentioned on the prior call, in July, we sold one public charter school pursuant to a tenant purchase option for total proceeds of $12 million. And as a result, we recognized a termination fee of $1.9 million in FFO as adjusted versus $1 million of such fees in the prior-year. Now, let me walk through the key line item variances for the quarter versus the prior year. Our total revenue increased 17% compared to the prior year to $176.4 million. Within the revenue category, rental revenue increased by $14.3 million versus the prior year to $140.9 million. This increase resulted primarily from rental revenue related to new investments as well as Endeavor Schools’ exercise of the right to convert their $143 million mortgage note into a master lease arrangement during the first quarter of 2018. Note that we recognized $3 million in rental revenue related to…

Greg Silvers

Analyst

Thank you, Mark. While we’re pleased with our third quarter execution, we know there remains work to be done to achieve our objectives for the year and we’re committed to those objectives. In conclusion, our tenant industries are demonstrating their durability and strength, we have substantially executed on our capital recycling plan with outstanding results and we have positioned our balance sheet for future growth. We believe we are well-positioned. With that, let me open it up for questions. Ashley?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. And your first question comes from the line of Craig Mailman with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Q - Craig Mailman

Analyst

Hey, good morning, guys. Just wanted to clarify. So, guidance has $0.03 of additional upside just from CLA, correct?

A - Mark Peterson

Analyst

Correct.

Q - Craig Mailman

Analyst

Okay. And you guys are saying in the press release that you guys can backfill pretty quickly. Do you have LOIs on any of the 21 assets right now that would slate in pretty quick or just give us an update on progress?

A - Greg Silvers

Analyst

Sure. What we’ve said is we actually – if you remember, as part of our August agreement, we got the right to share the performance information with other operators. We put six to eight different operators under NDA, have been part of that process and we’re narrowing that down. So, we think we have good options with regard to the other operators. However, the current operator has got a restructuring alternative as well and we’re trying to go to on a path that maximizes not only our value, but also is least disruptive to the properties. So, we feel that we have solid alternatives for us to replace that. We have operators that are willing to take all of our 21 properties. So, we feel like we’re in a position. We’re just now into that execution phase and whether or not we have to take those back or whether or not we’re able to just transition those.

Q - Craig Mailman

Analyst

Okay. You guys are going through this process, is their core business still intact? Like, is enrollment still good? Expenses kind of – can they still run the business that they come out of this process with, either lower rent load from landlords or can you talk about that at all?

Greg Silvers

Analyst

Sure. I could talk to you about hours. So, I get you want a comment on their others. But our properties have been and had performed very solidly. As you can see in the overall kind of coverage metrics that we talk about, they have performed. And in fact, some of them are continuing to improve. So, we feel very good about our properties and the underwriting that we did on their performance. So, I think those properties are well-positioned to be successful. As I said, it's probably improper for me to comment on properties that are owned by others.

Q - Craig Mailman

Analyst

That's fair. And then, just on Och-Ziff, the extra $5 million, what kind of happened there from the $15 million guidance you gave to the $20 you received? Was it all contractual, the timing or…?

Mark Peterson

Analyst

There's a bit of timing because the earlier they prepay it, the higher the penalty. So, that’s it. And then, we’re probably a little bit conservative in that estimate as well.

Q - Craig Mailman

Analyst

Okay. And then, just last one for me, as I look at your loan maturities next year, can you remind us what the $176 million one is that expires in May and kind of what the expectation is there for repayment and opportunities to roll that forward?

Greg Silvers

Analyst

Sure. That's the Schlitterbahn note. So, again, we’ll take a look at that. We've historically had a history of rolling that. I can't tell you right now kind of where we will be exactly on that. But what I can tell you of their performance is that they’ve fully funded all the reserves. So, we’re fully funded up. So, we will probably be talking with them in the near future about kind of what they want to do.

Q - Craig Mailman

Analyst

Okay. I know it's a 7% and 10%. What’s the blended on the full balance?

Greg Silvers

Analyst

It probably blends to a low 8.

Q - Craig Mailman

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thanks, guys.

Greg Silvers

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Nick Joseph with Citi. Your line is now open.

Q - Nick Joseph

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Thanks. Just wanted to follow-up on CLA. With the extension ending tomorrow, is the plan to extend them again month-to-month or could there be a resolution or at least a position on the resolution over the next few days?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Again, I think, Nick, what we’re doing is every one of those are kind of a little bit of a negotiation, a part of the bigger picture. Some of the operators that we’re looking at are wanting to look at stores other than our own. So, they're trying to get a view beyond just the 21 that we have. So, there's some negotiation going on to expand that. And we will see how that works out. But, again, right now, we’re in active discussions with them.

Q - Nick Joseph

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Thanks. And how do you think about what the right rent level is for those 21 assets? If you look, they're right now marked around $250 million to $1 million. You're looking at about 4.8% current yield. What do you think market rent is for those? And if they were to be re-tenanted, would there be downtime for your rent? Any CapEx required?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Again, if you look at that historically, that product type is kind of a low to mid 7s type cap rate. We don't think there’ll be CapEx. Whether there’s downtime will really be dependent upon the transition. And if we transition these as operating properties to new operators versus real estate to new operators and where there's a ramp up period, and those are part of kind of the ongoing negotiations, Nick.

Q - Nick Joseph

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Thanks. And just so I may understand changing the guidance issuance to 4Q, but just thinking ahead, are there any expected prepayment or termination fees that we should be thinking about for 2019?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

There's nothing like an Och-Ziff. We should be back more to our kind of school track. There's no large transactions like we had structured with Och-Ziff in there.

Q - Nick Joseph

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Is this similar to this year excluding Och-Ziff?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Yeah.

Q - Nick Joseph

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Great, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Collin Mings with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Q - Collin Mings

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Hey, good morning, everybody.

Greg Silvers

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Good morning, Collin.

Q - Collin Mings

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

To start, just recognizing you are providing formal guidance, but can you just maybe talk a little bit more about the deal pipeline you're building, just especially given your improved cost of capital? That’s something you touched on a little bit on the last call. And then, maybe just within your different categories, where are you seeing the most opportunities either in terms of build-to-suit or acquisitions?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

I think what we would say is, Collin, is that we would think 2019 would be kind of a return to our kind of a normal what we have established over the last couple of years excluding the large CNL transaction. So, I think what we would think is it's kind of a return to the norm. As far as where the opportunity is, I would say right now they're probably in our Entertainment and Recreation. There’s probably more. As we continue to talk about the power of the experiential assets, we’re seeing a lot of focus there and a lot of tenants tapping into those markets. So, Education being more of the steady, but the growth being in those two areas.

Q - Collin Mings

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Okay. And then, maybe just along those lines, you’ve touched on some areas of future growth within kind of the targeted categories of – areas that maybe you historically haven't trafficked in. Any sort of updates or thoughts there, any particular categories, if you will, that you're focused in on right now?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

I think what we’ll do – and, again, it’s within the larger framework of what we call that – those experiential groupings of Recreation and Entertainment, but I think we’ll probably – we’ll deal with that. You've seen some things that we’ve done here recently with the recreational lodging. We’re seeing a lot of opportunities in that. But that's probably best for our fourth-quarter call when we’re ready to roll out formal guidance.

Q - Collin Mings

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Fair enough. Just going back to the prepared remarks, just the downward pressure on termination fees on the education properties, you noted some of that was maybe driven by tenant election not to pursue some purchase options. Just anything specific driving that or any additional color you can provide on that move in guidance?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

I think, for anything, as we’ve said before, a lot of these people are trying to exercise early. And I think with some of the rate movements, there's been some reconsideration for people because that just increases their prepayment penalty if they're going out earlier. So, that is what our understanding is. People are a little more sensitive there.

Q - Collin Mings

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Okay, that’s helpful. I’ll turn it over. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Michael Carroll with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Q - Michael Carroll

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Yeah, thanks. I guess, after Collin’s question on your investment pipeline, Greg, can you talk a little bit about where you're seeing the most activities in terms of your three segments? It seems like you kind of shied away from the entertainment investments here in the near-term. Is that because those are mostly build-to-suit type deals and those are building and they're going to come more in 2019?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Yeah. I think what is true – it’s a fair statement. As I said, I think 2019 will be more focused a little bit in the entertainment and recreation areas. But, remember, we started off 2018 slow and we’re worried about our cost of capital and where we would deploy. So, that pushes projects, whether they be redevelopment or new development out. So, we think that we’ll get back on a more traditional trajectory in those and feel like, especially after coming off of a really strong year and the performance of redeveloped theaters to the high amenities, they continue to perform outstandingly. So, I think we’ll see more focus – or a return to a focus on that in 2019, given our better cost of capital and our willingness of our operators to take advantage of that.

Q - Michael Carroll

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

And let me talk a little bit about the education platform. Is there anything on the legislation side that's coming down over the next few months? And then also, why do you think that investment activity in that space is going to be a little slower as you move into 2019?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

I'm not aware of any sort of legislative activity. And what I mean by slower, I meant on a relative basis compared to the other two. It is more of a steady flow business where the others are – got more momentum with a focus on experiential. So, I don't mean to say that that's where that business is still progressing. It's just that there's quite a bit of momentum right now in the experiential side.

Q - Michael Carroll

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Okay. Then with regard to CLA, can you talk a little bit about – I know it might be difficult – but how negotiations are going with those third-party capital providers? It seems like they've been in talks with potential capital providers for the past few quarters now? Is that a likely scenario? Or is it more likely that you're going to have to re-lease these facilities to a different operator?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Again, Michael, it's a very fair question. I just don't think we should be talking about their transaction on our call. We’re trying to advance the ball. We get evidence of progress by talking to people who are involved on that other side. But at each stage, I can assure you, we are making progress on our solution that we control and that, at each one of these months, we’re extracting something that is useful for us to drive our solution forward. But to talk about their side of the transaction, probably, I shouldn't be doing that on our call.

Q - Michael Carroll

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Yeah. No, understood. Understood. And then, how long are you willing to continue to do these month-on-month extensions? I guess, as soon as you are able to – you think you can re-lease these facilities to a different operator on a seamless basis, that's when you’ll stop those month-on-month transactions?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

That’s a great, I think, indicator of what we’re trying to do, the seamless nature of that. But what we said was we think we’re going to have this resolved by our year-end call.

Q - Michael Carroll

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Okay, great. Thanks, Greg.

Greg Silvers

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. And our next question comes from the line of Ki Bin Kim with SunTrust. Your line is now open. Ki Bin Kim, if your line is on mute, please unmute it.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open. Ki Bin Kim, if your line is on mute, please unmute it.

Sorry about that. This is Alexie [ph] filling in for Ki Bin this morning. Two quick questions. First one regarding CLA and the $3 million of rent recognized this quarter, does that include the $1 million of October rent or is that going to flow through your fourth quarter income statement?

Mark Peterson

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open. Ki Bin Kim, if your line is on mute, please unmute it.

The October rent will flow through the fourth quarter, but both amounts are in our guidance for the year. The October rent – yeah, we're booking it on a as-received basis.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open. Ki Bin Kim, if your line is on mute, please unmute it.

Okay. Makes sense. And then, in terms of rent coverage, you had quite a big jump in the entertainment segment from last quarter. Is that mostly percentage rents or is there something else that drove that?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open. Ki Bin Kim, if your line is on mute, please unmute it.

Well, percentage rent wouldn't drive coverage. It's actually underlying performance. I think it's – like we've said, it's been a very good box office year so far year-to-date. Also, what we've seen across the board is increases per cap spending in the concessions. So, overall, generally, it feeds itself, in that when you have a better box office year, you have higher concession spending, which – I think what we would tell you is we talk about a 1.6 to 1.8 [ph] is the bandwidth of our coverage. And I think, by the end of the year, we'll probably be right around that bandwidth. So, I think this is really just kind of taking off what was a less-than-stellar second quarter out of the trailing 12 and having a better one in this year.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open. Ki Bin Kim, if your line is on mute, please unmute it.

Okay. Thank you

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of John Massocca with Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.

John Massocca

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.

Good morning.

Greg Silvers

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.

Good morning, John.

John Massocca

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.

So, kind of looking at maybe the near-term investment spending, you're about $145 million out from the low-end of 2018 guidance. If you look at kind of page 20 of the supp and your own build-to-suit spending and the mortgage build-to-suit spending estimates, that's about a little under $60 million. Is the delta there going to be your acquisitions that you potentially see out there in the market to close or is that kind of maybe spur-of-the-moment build-to-suit spending you historically get from like entertainment tenants?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.

It will be both, but it won't be spur of the moment kind of. There are no kind of spur of the moment. It can be be build-to-suits that start, but, likewise, it's pretty straightforward that there would be more acquisition than traditional in that fourth quarter to be comfortable with our numbers.

John Massocca

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.

Understood. And then, kind of going back to the guidance a little bit, was there any lost kind of interest income in the current guidance versus the prior guidance, given the maybe earlier prepayment than was originally expected? And where's that flowing through? Is that just netted out against the prepayment income?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.

No, it's not netted out. It would be reflected in lower mortgage financing income, but we had the school timing. Across the rest of portfolio, in terms of what went into service, there was kind of an offset there. So, it didn't make its way to the overall guidance reconciliation. That was a decrease in interest income by them exercising earlier than we had anticipated, but that was offset by other timing.

John Massocca

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.

Okay. So, basically, the fact that education had more interest income than expected can offset, right?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.

Yeah.

John Massocca

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.

And then, maybe lastly, can you provide some color on the Early Education properties you acquired in the quarter? What are those? Are those maybe more high-finish assets? Or CLA or are those kind of smaller, lower-cost boxes?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.

I would say they are smaller, lower cost boxes, more traditional early adds than CLA.

John Massocca

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.

And is that kind of the way, maybe Early Education investments will be on a go-forward basis? That's more of a focus versus some of the bigger-box players out there, even beyond CLA?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.

I think that's fair.

John Massocca

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.

Okay. That's it for me. Thank you guys very much.

Greg Silvers

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.

Thank you.

Mark Peterson

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Tony Paolone with J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Anthony Paolone

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Thanks. Good morning.

Greg Silvers

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Good morning, Tony.

Anthony Paolone

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Just a question on the Catskills deal. I'm looking at page 20. What piece of the $371 million of recreation build-to-suits is the Catskills going to be, if you could remind us on that?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

It will be a little over $200 million.

Mark Peterson

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

All in.

Greg Silvers

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

All in.

Anthony Paolone

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Okay. And can you just talk about just what the expected the timing of that is to be wrapped up in the open [indiscernible].

Greg Silvers

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Yeah. Again, all of those things – it should be the spring of 2019. So, that's kind of the expectation. As far as the yield, I think we'll put that into our guidance as we go forward, Tony, without speaking on one particular asset.

Anthony Paolone

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Okay. I am just curious if anything has just changed or the outlook for that? Certainly, the casinos have opened or the casino opened, I think, on the slower side, but I don't know if that's because your project is not kind of up and running yet or just where everything stands with that whole region right now?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Yeah. Again, I think if you talk to the operators, I don't feel they think there's a connection to the casino. I know the casino has performed somewhat less than the operator had anticipated, but I think our operator feels that that's a more family-oriented product and really see that tapping into the upper – the northern half of kind of Manhattan and New York for their destination. But I think if people get a chance to go out and look, it's a beautiful project and I think it will be a real asset for us and for people looking for recreation and entertainment in and around New York.

Anthony Paolone

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Okay, great. And then, just on the Topgolf, that was one of your bigger spends in the quarter, is that still under the original program where you were getting some outsized yields at this point or the Topgolf deal is more market deals?

Greg Silvers

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

They are probably – we are outside of our deal. So, these are a little more market, but they were sites that we had done work on as far as determining what would be in our final group. So, I think we're doing well with those. We're probably in the low to mid-8s on these. But against our overall portfolio, we felt these were really strong locations that would perform. So, we've gone ahead and added those to our portfolio.

Anthony Paolone

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Okay. Got it. That's all I have. Thanks.

Greg Silvers

Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open.

Thanks, Tony.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to management for any closing remarks.

Greg Silvers

Analyst

Well, again, I really and we really appreciate your time and attention and we look forward to talking to you in February. And everyone, have a very safe and happy Halloween.

Mark Peterson

Analyst

Thank you.

A - Greg Silvers

Analyst

Thank you. Bye-bye.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude today's program and you may all disconnect. Everyone, have a wonderful day.