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Q4 2011 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 23, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Fourth Quarter 2011 Entertainment Properties Trust Conference Call. My name is Stacy and I’ll be your conference moderator for today. [Operator instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the presentation over to your host for today to Mr. David Brain, CEO.

David Brain

Analyst

Thank you, Stacey, and good afternoon and thanks all for joining us. This is David Brain. We'll start with our usual preface which is as follows: as we begin this afternoon, need to inform you this conference call may include forward-looking statements defined by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of '95, identified by such words as will be, intend, continue, believe, may, expect, hope, anticipate or other comparable terms. The Company's actual financial condition and results of operations may vary materially from those contemplated by such forward-looking statements. Discussion of the factors may cause actual results may differ materially from those forward-looking statements as contained in the Company's SEC filings including the Company's reported Form 10-K for the year ending December 31, 2011. All right, very good. Again, I want to say good afternoon to you all and thank you for joining us and making your investment of time with us. This is the earnings call for the fourth quarter and year end of 2011. This is David Brain the Company's CEO and with me to go through the news of the quarter as usual are Greg Silvers, the Company's Chief Operating Officer.

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

Good afternoon.

David Brain

Analyst

And Mark Peterson, our Chief Financial Officer.

Mark Peterson

Analyst

Good afternoon.

David Brain

Analyst

Also, I'll just remind you, as usual we have slides for you to view for you to go along with the narrative here and they are available via our website at eprkc.com. I'll start with the headlines for Entertainment Properties Trust for the fourth Quarter of 2011. And they are as follows: number one, primary investment categories display mixed, but positive trending results; two, transaction pipeline fills to support 2012 investment guidance; three, capital costs improve again with new Syndicated Bank credit agreement; four, agreement signed for casino development at dormant Sullivan County, New York land and five, earnings performance exceeds guidance for 2011 and trends support increased dividends and earnings guidance for 2012. These headlines are consistent with our recent messages as we remain disciplined to make consistent progress on our strategy. Now turning to our first headline, which is, "Primary investment categories display mixed but positive trending results." Box office revenues, a key measure of our primary investment category, cinemas, only muddled through the fourth quarter of 2011 in quite flat fashion but have demonstrated a big upward kick in early 2012. The fourth quarter ended in just about the same position it ended the prior quarter, down about 3%. The good news is that early 2012 returns are quite positive with year-to-date box office up strong, double-digits about 20%. Our Ski portfolio was looking for a similar late kick to help with what has been an only acceptable seasonal performance. Due to warm weather conditions, our Ski portfolio tenant revenues are running about 20% behind last year's record year, but turning positive in the last couple of weeks. As you might remember, our Ski portfolio has been enjoying consecutive record years and growing its cash coverage of rent obligations to well over 2:1. As happens with seasonal…

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

Thank you, David. The fourth quarter delivered solid operating results as we continued to lay the foundation for a stronger performance in 2012. I would like to spend a minute discussing our portfolio performance and then talk about our achievements for the fourth quarter, as well as discuss our expectations for 2012. With regard to our theater portfolio, the box office finished down approximately 3% for the year. We had anticipated a flat year, however, several of the holiday films failed to garner the audience that was forecast, and as a result Hollywood failed to close the gap. Encouragingly, 2012 has started very robust compared to last year, with year-to-date performance up approximately 20%. As we've indicated last year, the first quarter does not define the year for box office; however, it is far easier to have a good year, when we're not climbing out of a hole like last year's first quarter performance. Additionally, we are pleased to inform you that we have commenced or will commence shortly, 8 to 10 build-to-suit theater projects for 2012 with a total investment of $80 million to $100 million. We spoke many time about the delays associated with these projects, however, we're pleased that our exhibitor partners continue to want to grow their portfolios and continue to look to EPR to supply their capital needs. Several of these projects will include innovative food and beverage concepts as well as premium offerings to recognize and capture diverse customer segments. Along with the excitement for these projects, we're likewise pleased to have several new exhibitors included in our build-to-suit program, which we believe will drive continued growth in the future. The mild winter that many parts of the country have experience is negatively impacting our ski properties. To date, the revenues at our properties…

Mark Peterson

Analyst

Thank you, Greg. I'd like to remind everyone on the call that our quarterly investor supplemental can be downloaded from our website. Turning to the first slide, FFO for the quarter increased to $42.6 million or $0.91 per share from $40.4 million or $0.86 per share in the prior year. FFO as adjusted per share for the quarter increased from $0.86 in the prior year to $0.90 in the current period, an increase of about 5%. Now let me walk through the rest of the quarter's results and explain the key variances from the prior year. Our total revenue increased 4% compared to the prior year to $277.6 million. Within the revenue category, rental revenue increased by $1.2 million versus the prior to $57.8 million and resulted primarily from new investments as well as base run increases on our existing properties, offset by a decline in rental revenue from our vineyard and winery tenants as we exit that business. Percentage rents for the quarter included in rental revenue were $0.5 million versus $0.3 million in the prior year. Percentage rents included in rental revenue for the year were $1.6 million versus $1.7 million in the prior year. Other income increased by $1.4 million, primarily due to seasonal revenue sale of grapes from certain of our vineyard properties which are being operated through a taxable REIT subsidiary. Mortgage and other financing income was $14 million for the quarter, up $0.6 million from last year. This increase is due to additional investments in public charter school properties, metro ski areas and Schlitterbahn Water Parks during the year. I would also like to point out that the end of the last we had 3 newly developed charter school properties classified as direct financing leases. During the fourth quarter of 2011, the initial lease…

David Brain

Analyst

All right. Very good. Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Greg. We'll take your questions. We'll go to those questions now. Just to sum up, I think you've heard a good view of solid portfolio growth for 2012. We certainly, as Mark went through, got the balance sheet to support that growth. And our yield now with the dividend increase and that growth profile, we think should be a very attractive package to provide a very solid total shareholder return for the year. With all that said, I'll turn it over to questions. Stacey, are you there?

Operator

Operator

[Operator instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Anthony Paolone with JPMorgan.

Anthony Paolone

Analyst

My first question is on Concord. If I remember the press release and filings right, there was some option payments that they were going to give you to basically enter in to this option to ground lease the land. I was just wondering if you can lay out how much those are, when they'll get brought in to income and so forth? Or if they even get brought in to income?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

This is Greg. Tony, I'll take the first part and then I'll leave the second to, well, I’ll maybe take part of that, both of that, all of that. The option payment was $750,000 which is for a 6-month option on the deal. The issue is that the option is refundable, if the option payment's refundable if we're not successful in negotiating the master development agreement, so we've not taken it into income pending that resolution of that condition.

Mark Peterson

Analyst

It's a satisfaction on condition, yes.

David Brain

Analyst

And nowhere in our guidance did we include any of that income we kind of have in our guidance at least at the midpoint Concord at status quo.

Mark Peterson

Analyst

It's important.

Anthony Paolone

Analyst

Okay. So that's not it.

Mark Peterson

Analyst

That represents upside to the, to guidance.

Anthony Paolone

Analyst

Okay. And then what are some of those conditions that need to be satisfied in order to move this thing forward because I think I saw a press release today about Capelli [ph] still being in the mix or maybe it was a press report about how he's still trying to get his project done. And just wondering if you can give us a little more color on how this is planned out?

David Brain

Analyst

But I think the conditions are as such that Greg outlined kind of two-fold primarily. And that is getting the entitlements and the completion of the master development agreement. So that's the time to really start clearing that. Capelli [ph] and his agenda is really a whole separate matter. And we don't see that as necessarily an issue vis-a-vis proceeding.

Anthony Paolone

Analyst

And so under the time frame you're operating under at this point, is this something you anticipate coming to a conclusion the next few quarter or can this drag out further?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

I think as room can imagine, Tony, it's Greg, in any sort of large scale kind of casino development like this is going to take a lot of entitlement and land play and approvals and I think you will see that process begin shortly and we'll continue. And as we're successfully, I mean you're going to have to have environmental approvals, you're going to have to have local township approvals and as we migrate through those, and those are all public events so you'll be able to follow that procession, and as we migrate through those, you'll begin to see that we're making the progress to get the project done. And as we go through those approvals, I think we will be presenting to the public bodies timelines for our development.

Mark Peterson

Analyst

And that will be public record and we'll keep you apprised of that.

Anthony Paolone

Analyst

Okay. Another question for Greg. You alluded to some other entertainment-related concepts that were in your pipeline. Can you give us any additional color on that?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

Yes, sure, Tony. I think as we've said we've done some, recently we've done some family entertainment centers, we've done some other kind of. I still think they're entertainment concepts that are driven by the admissions and concessions business that we're used to. I think we'll have some announcements, as we said, we anticipate closing those by the end of the first quarter, so I think over the next 2 to 3 weeks we'll have public announcements on who those transactions are with. But it's safe to say they're all in that kind of family entertainment space.

Anthony Paolone

Analyst

And are those build-to-suit or are those straight up acquisitions?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

No, they're standing inventory that you'll see the announcements on.

Anthony Paolone

Analyst

Okay. And on your theater build-to-suits you mentioned some food and other premium offerings being put into the mix there. I mean how do you think about underwriting the success of those exhibits -- seems that you've done a lot of straight up theatres over the years, you would have that formula down pretty well and understand what those economics look like. But going off into something slightly different here on the premium side, how do you comfort with the underwriting there?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

Well, it's a good point, Tony. First of all, we're not doing the initial one with anyone. So we've got some underwriting data points to underwrite the performance on how they've done. And as we've said, we have been measuring this for several years. AMC has done some conversions of some of our property, so we have good data on these expanded in-theatre dining concepts. So we think we've refined our underwriting to where we can properly underwrite this. And as I said initially, we're not doing any sort of initial deals with anyone. In fact, these are people who are several into their concepts, so we're pretty confident they know what they're doing, and we're confident we know how to underwrite it.

David Brain

Analyst

And, Tony, several of those concepts are already in our portfolio. We're just expanding our investment position in them.

Anthony Paolone

Analyst

OK. And last question for Mark. Looking at your debt maturity schedule, it looks like you have about $360 million of mortgage debt coming up over the next 3 years, and it looks like the blended rate is somewhere with a 6 in front of it. I was wondering where you think you'll refinance that out at if you had to go to the mortgage market today or is that something you think you'll continue to move to unsecured debt?

Mark Peterson

Analyst

Yes. We've announced that we're moving and have made strides to move towards the unsecured debt model. So we'd envision those being refinanced with long-term unsecured debt. And as far as the rate, it's hard to say because, as you said, it's over a 3-year period. But today they'd probably be in the high sixes, so not too great of a difference from where those mortgages stand today. For example, the ones that mature in 2013 or 2012 are at about 6.5%, so.

David Brain

Analyst

I think the most indicative thing is where our public debt trades.

Anthony Paolone

Analyst

All right. If you did want to put mortgages on this again, is there a mortgage market at this point for this product type that would be able to refinance that, and at what rate would that be?

Mark Peterson

Analyst

There is, it would likely be lower, because it's secured and that market is available, but we feel the flexibility of the unsecured debt model provides us is worth going the unsecured route. And frankly, we saw the CMBS market come and go while the unsecured debt market remained wide open, and that's appealing to us to have the more stable financing vehicle.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Greg Schweitzer with Citigroup.

Greg Schweitzer

Analyst · Citigroup.

I'm on with Mike Bilerman, as well. Just a question on the ski hills. How much do overall sales need to decrease across your ski exposure for the cash flow coverage to go down to 1x?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst · Citigroup.

Well, I mean, as you can look at, they can reduce expenses accordingly, and I think we would have to see something to nearly, kind of, 30%, 35%.

David Brain

Analyst · Citigroup.

And we don't have a perfect calculation of that, because we haven't really seen or experienced that, but as Greg says, these guys have shown themselves to be great managers, and we expect cost reductions on the way down and to keep the coverage positive. So, we don't -- this year as we finish we'll give you color on the next call, but we'll have more information on that of the full sensitivity on the downside.

Greg Schweitzer

Analyst · Citigroup.

Do you have a sense of what it is right now?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst · Citigroup.

Oh, what I told you, what the coverage is? I think we have a sense that it's probably somewhere in the, I want to guess, 135 range, 135 or so, but it has been trending better here over the last couple of weeks. So we'll just have to see how the weather holds.

Greg Schweitzer

Analyst · Citigroup.

OK. And then could you comment on the St. Louis Imagine Schools on probation?

David Brain

Analyst · Citigroup.

Yes. I mean, clearly we are disappointed with the academic performance that those schools have achieved and the resulting probation that they've been put on. However, we're working with all the constituent parties there to deliver a solution that we think meets both the needs of ourselves and our investors and of the student base there. As you know, we've had a structured transaction that provides for, if need be, substitution of properties and potentially substitution of operators. But I think overall, what we're trying to do is monitor the situation, work with all the parties, and see, kind of, what are the best options, both for ourselves and for the constituent parties.

Mark Peterson

Analyst · Citigroup.

Yes. Importantly, I don't think anybody's complaining about the facilities, and the enrollment isn't lacking. The enrollment has been good. There's not been a performance on the part of the operator, and it's possible that, that will change.

Greg Schweitzer

Analyst · Citigroup.

As you look toward that expectation, do you have any of that baked into guidance?

Mark Peterson

Analyst · Citigroup.

No, we have no expectation of a change in rent on those properties.

Greg Schweitzer

Analyst · Citigroup.

No? OK. And then just one final one on the increase in guidance. Is it possible that you could just break it up and provide a little more clarity on the drivers of that $0.06?

David Brain

Analyst · Citigroup.

Yes. Sure, if you think about it, the midpoint of our guidance was 355 previously, and now the midpoint is at 360. I think probably the biggest driver is kind of an investment spending, timing and character and term loan update, is the biggest chunk of it, and that's probably about $0.06. And then I called out 2 things in my comments that really, at the highest level, provide the remainder of the difference, that is a $0.03 improvement related to the Cantera JV or the Atlantic JV, $0.03 up and about a $0.03 down in G&A because we increased our guidance for G&A. So if you start with 354 and take the 2 items I called out and then the $0.06, think of that as investment spending term loan updates combined, that's how you get the $0.05 increase at the midpoint.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jordan Sadler with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Craig Mailman

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Craig Mailman here with Jordan. I just want to clarify on the Concord situation. So, you guys, the $750,000 could be potential upside, I mean, could there be any ground run payments this year? Or, would you guys basically need to get all the approvals before they would start paying you?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

We're going to need to get the approval before the lease actually would commence so, that's one of the conditions before the actual commencement of the lease, so I think the, but the $750,000, it likewise could, that's not in ours, and could be earned if those conditions are satisfied.

David Brain

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

But the timing of those approvals is such that if they are acquired during the year, the ground run could commence but at the same time we're not planning on it.

Mark Peterson

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Right. Keep in mind, those $750,000 payments, we've gotten one for 6 months. But that will totally have the ability to do another one. There could be more than one $750,000 payment that we ultimately recognize in income.

Craig Mailman

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

You guys keep deferring that until all the approval is in place?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Yes, exactly

David Brain

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

So that's a contingent income right now until those primary conditions are satisfied. That's right.

Craig Mailman

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Right. And then, just to follow-up on Greg's question on the different components, you guys have talked about the $150 million of build-to-suits kind of starting at fourth quarter and it seems like it got pushed out a little bit now on the 1Q. Are we thinking about it right, that the timing's still the same? Or is the timing a bit delayed to what you had previously felt last quarter?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

I think the timing's delayed, that's kind of what I tried to infer in my comment, is that several of these projects continue to get delayed and now we're excited about the fact that we're actually breaking ground on them, and so that we will see that delay stop. I think part of the issue for the theater side was, as we talked about it last year, was just a difficult year. I mean, we continue to make ground all throughout the year and gain back into it but then, as we said what it should have been fourth quarter, we thought we were going to close strong. Again, as David said, we kind of muddled, which made people somewhat hesitant. And so, it's good to get these projects started and that's what we're looking forward to in 2012.

Craig Mailman

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

And just to clarify, have you guys completed at least signing up the 8 to 10 build-to-suits and just waiting to break ground? Or are we still waiting on ... okay.

Gregory Silvers

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Yes, we have some degree of papers signed to either letter of intent or actually signed deals on all 8, somewhere between 8 and 10 on those, yes.

Craig Mailman

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

But those won't basically commence construction until probably Q2 is your feeling?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Well, things generally start in the spring. People don't, we've talked about this before, you don't go to the theater in February, They start in the spring. It's an open holiday.

Mark Peterson

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

But all completed during this year.

David Brain

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Yes, yes, but they will begin and will spend a substantial portion of the money out in 2012.

Jordan Sadler

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

It’s Jordan. Separate question, just on the returns on the entertainment recreation properties, you're talking about closing here, did you say that they were in the same range as the build-to-suits? The 9.5 to 10.25?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Yes, that's correct.

Jordan Sadler

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

OK. They are. And, are they -- did you give any color on what they are? Or are you just purposely sort of holding off?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

No, no. What we said, was that they were kind of in the Family Entertainment space and as we said that we're closing those -- over the next, by the end of the first quarter, that we'll probably have some announcements in the next 2 to 4 weeks to specifically identify them.

Jordan Sadler

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Do you own product like this currently, similar to it?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Yes. We do actually. We have some product like that. If you look at what we've done with like Pinstripes, but there will also be some new concepts that we're going to approve.

Jordan Sadler

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Okay. Okay. Okay. So we'll hang tight on that. On the, lastly, the Peak deal. Can you maybe just put a little more color around that? Obviously, that space seems to be a little skinny from a credit support perspective this year. What are they doing with the money? Are they sort of buying low hoping to sell high or is it sort of a being optimistic or what?

Mark Peterson

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

I'm not sure what you mean with the money. Are you talking with regard to their IPO efforts?

Jordan Sadler

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

No. You leant Peak another $9 million.

Gregory Silvers

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

No. That was to buy a property. We bought the ground lease out from underneath one of the properties that we had.

Mark Peterson

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

It had nothing to do with operations.

David Brain

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Nothing to do with operations. Yes, that was just to solidify our position to buy-out a ground lease at one of sites.

Jordan Sadler

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Okay. But the credit support on that deal is a little bit better than it would have been?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Well, basically the ground lease payment that they were paying to a third party was equal to what we going to pay for the property. So it was a net, no change to what they were going to pay to us. So it was a net change but it improved our collateral position, Jordan.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Rich Moore with RBC Capital Markets.

Richard Moore

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

I noticed that the Hollywood movie scene going over to China seems to be improving. There seems to be some deal that the Obama Administration reached to show more movies in China. Was that encouraging news for you guys or is there anything...

Gregory Silvers

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

It was. That was recently, that was just announced with the Chinese President, Chinese Vice-President in the U.S. announced that they expanded the number of movies to 40 and he also had in the last 2 days an announcement by DreamWorks that they are doing a joint venture to include Shanghai Media Group as a joint venture partner for studio production. And as you will recall, Shanghai Media Group is the parent entity of Shanghai Film Group which is our Joint Venture partner in theater development in China.

David Brain

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

So it's very encouraging. It seems, continues to be a very robust area and product enhancements, particularly international product. International product particularly American product, we think will be very successful or rather has been successful. And we'll continue to support the theaters in place and the development over there.

Richard Moore

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Okay. All right. Sounds good. So we could see more from you guys, you think, in China?

Mark Peterson

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Yes. I think that's been not, obviously, a front-burner issue, but we have a beachhead there. We've been gathering data. We've been about hitting the term that we said we wanted to have to determine that data and we'll, we are going to make a determination on direction there and we'll be back to you with more information, hopefully.

Richard Moore

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Okay. All right. Sounds good. Then, on the relationship with Empire, is it just the ground lease? Is that how you guys envision this simply, that kind of relationships, I guess, with Empire?

Gregory Silvers

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

That's the way the option agreement is drafted, is it's a ground lease. they would do the actual development of the, you're responsible for the financial development of the casino resort and hotel?.

Richard Moore

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Okay. Good. Got you. And then when I look at the selling of grapes it looks like selling grapes doesn't have much of a margin. Is that true?

David Brain

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

It's getting better. It certainly it's not a mainstay of ours but to comment, it's better than we planned for worse. We did a little better. That's why a little upside and market seems to be better and improving.

Richard Moore

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Okay. Is that over or do we have more...

Mark Peterson

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

It's not an ongoing business. Obviously, we're exiting the wine business. We have some vineyards that needed to be harvest and we sold the grapes, but that's not an ongoing, obviously, operating business that we're in.

David Brain

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Right. That's a placeholder until look, yes until sale.

Mark Peterson

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Until sale.

Gregory Silvers

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

It's a necessity, not a desire.

Richard Moore

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Right. I got you. And then I also noticed that the actual revenue, the rental revenue for the vineyards crept up to a few hundred thousand dollars. Is that part of the whole transaction situation?

David Brain

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

We actually had some percentage rents at one of our wineries. We had an operator in there at one of our wineries that paid us some percentage rents in the fourth quarter. So that's why that popped up.

Richard Moore

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Okay. All right. Good. And then on the financing side, you guys did a, I assume that was an unsecured term note? Is that right? Term loan?

David Brain

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Yes.

Richard Moore

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

And then why that instead of a regular unsecured note? Was it just – obviously, the pricing was very good, was it just thee pricing?

David Brain

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

The pricing's pretty good at 2.66%. Hard to turn away from that. Not something you could probably repeat in the unsecured public market but that was primarily; it also fit well into our maturity ladder.

Richard Moore

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Okay. All right. Good. But going forward, I assume you're going to look at some unsecured notes for these mortgages you were saying?

David Brain

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Yes, as we look to this year we have in our plan a unsecured bond offering.

Operator

Operator

And at this time I'd like to turn the call back over to Mr. Brain for closing remarks.

David Brain

Analyst

All right. Well, I want to thank everybody again for joining us. We're pleased to have the report we had for you this year. We always enjoy your contact of the Company and further questions but at this time we'll thank you for joining us and we'll look forward to talking to you down road.

Gregory Silvers

Analyst

Thank you.

David Brain

Analyst

Thank you.

Mark Peterson

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude your presentation. You may not disconnect and have a great day.