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Q4 2007 Earnings Call· Mon, Mar 3, 2008

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Quarter Four 2007 Entertainment Properties Trust Earnings Conference Call. My name is Nikita and I will be your coordinator for today. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I’d now like to turn the presentation over to your host for today’s call, Mr. David Brain, President and CEO.

David M. Brain

Management

Thank you, Nikita. Thank you, all, and good morning. Thank you for being with us this morning. This is David Brain. I’ll start with our usual prefaces. As we begin this morning, let me inform you this conference call may include forward-looking statements as defined by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, identified by such words as will be, intend, continue, believe, may, expect, help, anticipate, or other comparable terms. The company’s actual financial condition and results of operations may vary materially from those contemplated by such forward-looking statements. The discussion of the factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those forward-looking statements is contained in the company’s SEC filings, including the company’s report on Form 10-K for the year ending December 31, 2006, soon to be our filing in 2007. Let me just say thank you for joining us. We always appreciate your investment of time and interest. As always, I’m pleased to be with you. We’ll go over all the current results for the company for the year 2007, and for the last quarter, in particular. But I first want to introduce my key associates, also joining you this morning; Greg Silvers, our Chief Operating Officer and Mark Peterson, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we get fully underway, I want to remind all once again, there is a simultaneous webcast available via a link from our website, www.eprkc.com. Mostly, the slides will be useful in relation to the detailed financial review from Mark. So if you can, I’d advise you to get there now, to catch the full presentation. If you have arrived at the right website, taken the right direction, you should be looking at our logo and name presentation slides at this time. We’ll turn the page now on the website…

Mark A. Peterson

Management

Thank you, David. Let me begin with the review of the significant items from our recently completed fourth quarter. As you can see on the first slide, our net income available to common shareholders increased 18% compared to last year from $18.3 million to $21.5 million. Our FFO increased 20% compared to last year from $26.1 million to $31.3 million. On a diluted per share basis, FFO was $1.11 compared to $0.97 last year for an increase of 14%. Now, looking at the details of our fourth quarter performance, our total revenue increased 33% compared to the prior year to $65.7 million. In the revenue category, rental revenue increased 18% to $49.2 million, an increase of $7.4 million versus last year. Percentage rents, included in rental revenue, increased 90% to $512,000 versus $269,000 in the prior year. Tenant reimbursements increased 57% or $2.1 million. This increase is primarily due to the acquisition in May 2007 of a two-thirds interest in an entertainment retail center in White Plains, New York, which has been consolidated into our financial statements and increases at our four Canadian entertainment retail centers. Mortgage financing income was $10 million for the quarter, an increase of $6.8 million versus last year. As of the end of the fourth quarter, we have eight mortgage notes outstanding totaling $325 million. The mortgage notes relate to our Toronto Life Square project, formerly known as Metropolis in downtown Toronto; our investment in the development of a water park-anchored entertainment complex in Wyandotte County, Kansas called Schlitterbahn Vacation Village; our ten metropolitan ski areas covering approximately 6,000 acres in six states; and our investment, as David just mentioned, in the development of a 9,000-seat amphitheater in suburban Chicago. Greg will further discuss some of these investments in his remarks. I do want to…

Gregory K. Silvers

Management

Thank you, Mark. As David and Mark have discussed, 2007 was another great year in which we made significant investments in our core asset classes of entertainment and entertainment-related retail while also expanding our recreational and specialty property assets. We made these investments at very attractive cap rates while maintaining our adherence to our Five-Star underwriting criteria. As you will recall, our original capital plan provided for capital expenditures of approximately $175 million; however, we revised this plan upward in each successive quarter and I’m pleased to report to you that we completed 2007 with total capital spending of approximately $428 million. Today, I’d like to recap our accomplishments for 2007, including those investments made in the fourth quarter and also discuss our visibility to our 2008 objective. We invested approximately $128 million in entertainment and entertainment-related retail for 2007. These investments included the acquisition and development of five theatres; the expansion of two existing theatres; our acquisition of a controlling interest in White Plains City Center; continued development of our Metropolis project in Toronto; and continued expansion of our retail holdings in and around our theatres in Canada and the U.S. For the fourth quarter, we completed the development of the Four Seasons Station 18 in Greensboro, North Carolina and also entered into agreements for the development of a 9,000-seat live performance amphitheater in Hoffman Estates, Illinois. During the year, we also received an $8 million return of investment related to our financing of the development of three properties for Southern Theatres, which were subsequently permanently financed with GO Zone bonds. As we discussed, we agreed to enter into this transaction to allow Southern to take advantage of this highly attractive financing which was made available for the hurricane-ravaged areas of the Gulf Coast. We are earning an ongoing…

David M. Brain

Management

Thank you, Greg; thank you, Mark. Before we go to Q&A, I just want to make one remark about our dividend plans for the coming year. The Board has not had a chance to meet on this topic and so there could be no assurance of results, but I do want to point out that we’ve had a very definite history of raising our dividend annually in the first quarter, consistent with our increases in FFO per share and to achieve a pay-out ratio of around 75% of it. Based on the fine performance for the year you just heard reported and the robust outlook for the coming year, I expect we’ll be back with you soon with an announcement in this regard. Now, with that said, I’ll open it up to Q&A.

Operator

Operator

Your first question comes from the line of Ambika Goel – Citigroup. Ambika Goel – Citigroup: Given the writers’ strike, is there any impact of future theatre development projects?

Gregory K. Silvers

Management

Ambika, at this point, we don’t see anything. As we had spoken I think at several times, if the writers’ strike had extended out to probably six months or so, it could have impacted us, but at this point right now, our relationships with the studios and the discussions that we’re having indicate that there’s really no impact, or much of an impact on the exhibition season.

David M. Brain

Management

Unlike television, basically the industry operates with nine to twelve months of product in the can, so able to absorb this kind of thing and just put things into more rapid production going into a strike outlook and coming out of a strike settlement. So it doesn’t expect to affect the year, 2008 or 2009 and beyond. So things are pretty much motoring on in spite of that. Ambika Goel – Citigroup: Okay. And then on the amphitheater investment, could you give some more background on just what expected cash flow coverage is? What’s the length of the mortgage, and the rate as well?

Gregory K. Silvers

Management

In terms of background and coverage, it will operate about 110 to 120 day season, consistent with most summer opener business type things. The rate is running at a LIBOR plus 350.

Mark A. Peterson

Management

That’s during development.

Gregory K. Silvers

Management

During development and our expected coverage upon completion is really astoundingly for the season is going to be about a 20 cover. We’re very excited about that and the note extends through 2029, Mark?

Mark A. Peterson

Management

Yes, 20-year note upon completion. Ambika, as we’ve talked before, this is lot of ways a mortgage that’s structured like a lease. So you would see a lot of indicative terms of our lease in a mortgage closing. Ambika Goel – Citigroup: Okay, great. And then if we think about your mortgage balance of $325 million, can you split that out between what’s actually fixed and what’s floating, if we think about how LIBOR is moving and the fact that you have nothing on your line of credit at this point?

Mark A. Peterson

Management

We’ve got of the $325 million, approximately about $100 million is LIBOR based. Ambika Goel – Citigroup: Okay. And then just on the GO Zone bonds, I’m not sure if I’ve pronounced that correctly, but how are they reset on a weekly basis?

Mark A. Peterson

Management

They’re like similar to a seven-day low floater on a municipal bond, or an IRB. So they are reset and basically, we’re paid a spread on that, so our number isn’t reset monthly, it’s really what our tenant pays and so the amount that we receive is fixed. It’s just the differences that change in the spread and so they pay a month in arrears on those. So we have visibility to what that reset is. Ambika Goel – Citigroup: Okay. So this has nothing to do with what’s going on in the option rate securities market?

Mark A. Peterson

Management

No. Not at all, no. Ambika Goel – Citigroup: Okay, just wanted to clarify that, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Paul Adornato - BMO Capital Markets.

Paul Adornato - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

Back to the amphitheater business, could you tell us how many of these outdoor amphitheaters there are in the country and what potential you see either with this operator or others?

David M. Brain

Management

The number count depends really where you want to draw the lines with regard to the characteristics of them, Paul, but probably conservatively, there’s something in the order of 100 of these facilities around the country.

Mark A. Peterson

Management

There’s 100 amphitheaters, there’s not very many like that are being resized like we’re doing.

David M. Brain

Management

Right, we’re talking about this new generation, there’s virtually none. I think what we’re doing in terms of fixed seating, the amenities, the food service here will be upgraded from normally what you have available. The covered nature of this, able to reliably play its date, paved parking as opposed to grass fields and all fixed seating as opposed to lawn seating, this will really upgrade the outdoor amphitheater market. I think what patrons are looking for; we believe, our customer believes. And so it will really be a new generation. We’ll have this one opened for the 2009 season and we’re looking at some additional sites, but probably grow this conservatively over the first couple of years, maybe with a couple additional, but we’ll just have to see from there how rapidly it rolls out.

Paul Adornato - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

And do municipalities ever own these facilities? Or do they get involved in financing them?

David M. Brain

Management

It really depends. There are some of those that are leased facilities; Live Nation has several of these traditional outdoor amphitheaters that are the 20,000 to 30,000 seat amphitheaters, and just when we’re talking to people in the industry, they lack the amenities or they’re wrong sized for the touring acts that are out there right now. And therefore, their lack of the amenities with the covered aspect and things like that are sometimes not viewed as favorable either by the patrons or by the touring acts. And so our discussions with all the parities have led us to come up with these ideas and be supportive of the capital needs of this kind of regeneration of venues.

Paul Adornato - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

And have the number of touring acts been steady over the years? Can you tell us a little bit about the content side?

David M. Brain

Management

I have to go really to our partner, Jam Productions and so forth, and their bookings of them, but we’ve looked at bookings for past several years, particularly the Chicagoland area and the venues that had to play or been forced to play and what the alternatives have been, and it’s very steady. I don’t know, Paul, that I’ve really got a number to report to you on the number of acts, but it’s a very strong profile and we expect to achieve total bookings on the 110 or so available dates, I can’t remember, I think it’s around 70 bookings.

Mark A. Peterson

Management

75.

David M. Brain

Management

70 to 75 bookings for the dates during the summer. So it’s a variety of performance acts, of music and also comedy and so forth.

Paul Adornato - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

And a while ago, you were involved in a gaming license in Wyandotte County, could you provide an update there?

David M. Brain

Management

We’re not involved in the sense there is land that’s part of our land that’s involved in that. That process, by way of update, there was a vetting process by which proposals were submitted to the local jurisdiction. Of those, three were forwarded to the state for selection of those three. The gaming operator, Pinnacle, was one of the three that has an agreement on our site.

Gregory K. Silvers

Management

That’s right. Pinnacle, they have optioned land that we have under control with Schlitterbahn for their casino location.

David M. Brain

Management

While there’s no definitive timeline, it’s anticipated that by mid-summer, that selection will be made by the state and the various gaming parties will be able to move forward.

Paul Adornato - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

Okay. And in the past, you’ve said that your entertainment options are more recession resistant than others. I was wondering if you could provide an update on your view of the economy and what you’re baking into your assumptions for 2008.

Mark A. Peterson

Management

The primary industry, Paul, I’ve got to tell you, 2008 being an election year, traditionally the film exhibition industry usually takes a little bit of off during an election and a summer Olympic year. It’s just because particularly in the key summer season, there’s so much competition for attention and for airtime for publicity that Hollywood backs off just a mite. So we’re looking really probably for 2008 to be more of a flat box office year than a year of a great step forward. But that’s very consistent with historical patterns. But overall, right now, as demonstrated by the performance in 2007, particularly even in the latter half of 2007, and so far year-to-date, the box office is very strong in 2008, but we’re not seeing really any kind of falloff in the industries that are key to us in terms of tenant representation. We’re not seeing any falloff or looking for any falloff due to the economy in 2008, but probably a little more flat for the box office, which is really key for us.

Paul Adornato - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Anthony Paolone - J.P. Morgan.

Anthony Paolone - J.P. Morgan

Analyst

My first question is, can you go through your pipeline, I think, and tie it into, for instance, how much development spending is expected for 2008? And I just want to understand of your guided deal of I think the $250 million for the year, how much of that’s visible right now and what is the deal flow you’re looking at look like?

David M. Brain

Management

Tony, right now, I would say that we’ve probably got eight to ten theatre deals that we’re looking at, some standing, some development. We’ve got properties across the board in all of our categories. We’ve got some charter school opportunities. We’ve got vineyard opportunities that we’re looking at.

Gregory K. Silvers

Management

Those would be standing properties.

David M. Brain

Management

Yes, those are all standing.

Gregory K. Silvers

Management

Properties, not development.

David M. Brain

Management

Our really only development properties are theatres, and I’d say probably of those ten to twelve theatre deals that we’re looking at right now, probably 60% to 70% of those are theatre deals. So if that’s $100 to $125 million, then you’re probably looking at $75 to $80 million of that is development of that $250 million overall.

Gregory K. Silvers

Management

It’s about a third.

Anthony Paolone - J.P. Morgan

Analyst

How much in development spend is already budgeted on the books for deals that you’ve already entered into? Like the amphitheater, for instance; like how much will you spend on that in 2008?

David M. Brain

Management

It looks like about $12 million in 2008.

Gregory K. Silvers

Management

Yes, it’s going to extend over into 2009. That’s about right.

David M. Brain

Management

I’d say it’s probably close to $100 million this year of development spending, that’s in the plan.

Anthony Paolone - J.P. Morgan

Analyst

Okay. So I’m just trying to understand the visibility on the $250 million. So it sounds like $100 million you already have visibility on? Is that how I should take the comment?

David M. Brain

Management

Yes, I think $100 million we’re probably already committed on. And there’s, as I said, these new deals that we’re looking at and other opportunities probably will get us to the $250 if not beyond.

Anthony Paolone - J.P. Morgan

Analyst

Okay. And then how about in terms of cap rates? Have you seen any ability or do you foresee some ability to start pushing rates up, given the environment?

David M. Brain

Management

As we’ve talked before, we didn’t really write down when the rates went down; we said we were 9 to 10s, I think we’re moving up that closer to 10 as opposed to downward to 9 as we’re looking at new deals. I think you’ll see us move back into that range.

Mark A. Peterson

Management

Yes. On average, we were probably closer to 9 for a while and now on average, we’re probably closer to 10. So it’s moved up on the order of 50 basis points in terms of the mean cap rate we’re achieving.

Anthony Paolone - J.P. Morgan

Analyst

Okay. And then shifting gears, any update on just how your skiing operations are going? I know it’s a little bit easier to track box office and things like that. Can you give us some color on how skiing is performing this year?

David M. Brain

Management

Our early indications are that it’s going to be a record year because the weather has been very cooperative across most of the United States, and also, with some of the economic pressures we’re seeing more people use the daily metropolitan model as opposed to spending the larger dollars to travel to resort destinations. So through December when we looked at that, I think all of our properties were up over last year and we felt really good about where they were going.

Mark A. Peterson

Management

Except for I think St. Louis, but otherwise…

David M. Brain

Management

Yes, but that had a great January.

Mark A. Peterson

Management

Yes.

Anthony Paolone - J.P. Morgan

Analyst

Okay. Then Mark, on the balance sheet, I think there’s a slice of your mortgage debt that could be paid later this year or there’s some accelerated payment, I can’t remember exactly the terms but can you refresh us on that?

Mark A. Peterson

Management

We have a $90 million maturity in July. I say maturity, technically, it’s not a maturity; if you don’t pay it off, it goes into hyper-amortization. The hyper-amortization, the interest rate increases if you elect not to pay it off by 200 basis points, and I think the net cash flow impact of that is something in the neighborhood of $12 million on an annual basis; what they require is all revenues from those theatres that are secured would go to pay down the debt, and that’s about a net cost of about $12 million.

David M. Brain

Management

All that being said, it’s not our expectation for those to go into the (inaudible).

Mark A. Peterson

Management

Our expectation is to pay it off in July.

David M. Brain

Management

Absolutely.

Anthony Paolone - J.P. Morgan

Analyst

Right. And on that note, you touched on staying out of the CMBS market for debt. Can you just give us a little bit more detail on who you go to for debt right now, what they’re willing to underwrite on an LTV, what kind of coverage they’re looking at and rate?

David M. Brain

Management

Yes, I’ll give you an example, on the wine loans that we’re looking at, we’re getting a good reaction from a group of banks and the loan-to-values are strong, in the neighborhood of 65%, mid-60s. With CMBS having its difficulties, that market has been available to us and as I mentioned in my remarks, we’ll probably continue to utilize that.

Anthony Paolone - J.P. Morgan

Analyst

And then, just, last question on the dividend. David, you mentioned shooting for 75% pay out. Is it fair to look at your FFO guidance for the year and take 75% of that as a decent proxy for where that might come out?

David M. Brain

Management

I think that is not an unreasonable position, that’s been consistent with where it’s been. So that’s a good basis, at least to look at the midpoint.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Jon Braatz - Kansas City Capital.

Jon Braatz - Kansas City Capital

Analyst

My ski property question was already asked. What about the vineyards, the performance of the vineyards? Has that met up to the expectations in your performance there?

David M. Brain

Management

Yes, so far, Jon. It’s fairly, still early in those investments, but the performance thus far is at expectations. Actually the metrics overall as we monitor that industry is positive, things are moving strongly with regard to pricing, consumption, and that all is despite what might be considered as people talk about whether we’re in a recession or not.

Jon Braatz - Kansas City Capital

Analyst

I think you said there is an expectation that there will be increased investments in that area in 2008?

David M. Brain

Management

Yes, that’s correct.

Jon Braatz - Kansas City Capital

Analyst

Okay. Secondly, do you see the possibility or likelihood of a new investment category in 2008 emerging, something beyond what we’ve seen to date and what we saw last year, a new sort of entertainment property category, so to speak?

David M. Brain

Management

We’ve been saying for a couple of years as some of these have been emerging, be it ski or the vineyards or now the charter schools that we’ve tried to preview people that we have had a variety of works under study. I don’t think we’re entirely through with that, but I’m unsure; we started looking at them, we thought we’d be a year to a year-and-a-half, and they probably took two to two-and-a-half years to mature into something where we thought we knew enough and had the right opportunity we wanted to invest. So they’ve taken longer than usual, so I don’t really know. We still have a couple other industries under study, but right now, I think the pipeline we have right now is highly oriented towards those things that you’ve already seen us invest in. Our core business, of course theatres, as Greg mentioned, and also the vineyards and the charter schools and ski properties as well. So I think that’s going to probably be it. It’s possible, but I don’t have anything to really lead you to at this time.

Jon Braatz - Kansas City Capital

Analyst

Okay. To the extent that you exceed your $250 million goal for investments this year, would it be more in the theatre properties or the ancillary properties?

Gregory K. Silvers

Management

It’s hard to say at this point in time, part of that is a function of where those opportunities exist. As you recall, the ski and the other recreational-type properties are opportunistic, they show up as those things show up. The theatre is a little more programmatic and it’s easier for us to see that right now and so when somebody presents something of needing a financing or capital solution, then we apply our metrics and see if it makes sense for us. But on those opportunistic things, it’s hard to forecast those.

Jon Braatz - Kansas City Capital

Analyst

Okay. All right, thank you very much, Greg.

Operator

Operator

And your final question comes from the line of Ambika Goel - Citigroup. Ambika Goel – Citigroup: Just a couple of follow-up questions. Is there a limit to the number of different entertainment property types that EPR is saying, we want to max it out at this level? And how are you relative to where you start feeling a little uncomfortable on the number of different entertainment types of investments you have?

David M. Brain

Management

Ambika, I hate to put up a lot of fences to keep us confined such that we can’t take advantage of opportunities. As I’ve said before, our investments have not been guided by an asset allocation model. I don’t know that we really have one. It’s really been guided by what we think is sound investments, consistent with the principles we’ve set forth repeatedly and the yields that we’ve demanded out of our investment portfolio. So it’s possible, we’ve had bits and pieces of, whether it’s bowling or something, could we end up doing more of that than we’re really calling out right now, or other areas of recreation, entertainment or otherwise? It’s possible, so I’m not putting hard lines around it, but we’d have to feel comfortable. As we’ve said, we’re not interested in categories we don’t think there’s a material opportunity in, that’s going to be meaningful for our shareholders, that we think is an emerging category of properties as we’ve described in our Five Star underwriting. No, there’s not really a limit that we have that we only can have four areas or something like that. It’d just have to be that there’s a material opportunity, we think we have the requisite expertise or partners and we’re prepared then to look at new areas. Ambika Goel – Citigroup: Okay, great. And then on the charter school investment, can we get an update on that, just how the schools are performing?

David M. Brain

Management

Yes, again, they’ve been in the hopper now for all of just a few months but they’re doing very well. We’ve had a Hart census for purposes of state reimbursement is taken in September. I think its occupancy is up, enrollment’s up, now we’re up, I think we acquired these at a student enrollment of about 70% to 75%. We’re now moved to the high 80s, 88% of capacity. So the model is playing out exactly like we thought. When you introduce these new alternatives in certain areas, they’re embraced by the community and as the word gets out that they’re delivering a quality education. Part of that is, as we talked about early on, how you’re adding grades and so when I say 88% of capacity, it may be that that 100% is not achievable for a few years just because you haven’t introduced those grades, but we’re very comfortable with the occupancy that we’re running.

Gregory K. Silvers

Management

Two of the schools, I believe two of the twelve are going to undergo some level of expansion, so we’re very excited about that. So it’s moving the right way, a need for expansion already and increased occupancy in terms of capacity. The grade performance is on track, Milo, he’s been working with that category of investment here, reminds me our grade performance tracking is also very solid and according to what we expected of these properties and their operations as well. So again, it’s very new, but we are tracking and it looks very good. We’ll probably get our main data points on this come August and September where the schools report on their census and also their testing. Ambika Goel – Citigroup: Okay. And then on the amphitheater investment, I think you mentioned that in the same city or nearby Hoffman Estates where the new amphitheater is going to be, there was an old amphitheater?

David M. Brain

Management

Yes. Ambika Goel – Citigroup: Why was the old amphitheater razed?

David M. Brain

Management

It was actually a redevelopment project. If you recall, the Sears campus, when they took that down, they re-developed that for a higher and better use with a Cabela’s and a large-scale retail project that increased the density and rental rates over a concert venue. Ambika Goel – Citigroup: Okay, great. And then just a request, do you think maybe you could integrate something into the quarterly reporting where you give an update on each business unit; for example, skiing, you could update us on attendance and for the wineries, something on how the vineyards are performing?

David M. Brain

Management

In terms of the actual Q or K or do you mean just verbally? Ambika Goel – Citigroup: Either.

David M. Brain

Management

Okay. It’s probably more appropriate for a conference call type discussion, but I think we can do that.

Mark A. Peterson

Management

Yes. Ambika Goel – Citigroup: Okay. Great, thank you.

Operator

Operator

It appears there are no further questions. I’ll now hand the call back over to Mr. Brain for closing remarks.

David M. Brain

Management

All right. Thank you all for joining us and we always appreciate talking to you. I’ll just mention also to you, right now, I’m scheduled to be on CNBC this afternoon at 4:40 Eastern, 3:40 Central, 1:40 Pacific. But a little interview on CNBC, so we’ll talk further about the company’s quarter and year performance and the outlook ahead. So you can look for that additional data point if you’re around a CNBC outlet. Thanks, and we’ll look forward to seeing you soon.