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EPAM Systems, Inc. (EPAM)

Q4 2025 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 19, 2026

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone. My name is Kahelani, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome you to the EPAMs Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Earnings Release Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Mike Rowshandel, Head of Investor Relations.

Mike Rowshandel

Analyst

Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us today on our fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings call. As the operator just mentioned, I'm Mike Rowshandel, Head of Investor Relations. We hope you've had an opportunity to review our earnings release we issued earlier today. If you have not, copies are available on epam.com in the Investors section. With me on today's call are Balazs Fejes, CEO and President; and Jason Peterson, Chief Financial Officer. I would like to remind those listening that some of the comments made on today's call may contain forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties as described in the company's earnings release and SEC filings. Additionally, all references to reported results that are non-GAAP measures have been reconciled to the comparable GAAP measures and are available in our quarterly earnings materials located in the Investors section of our website. With that said, I will now turn the call over to FB.

Balazs Fejes

Analyst · William Blair

Thank you, Mike, and good morning, everyone. It's a pleasure to be here with you all, and I look forward to seeing many of you again in just a few weeks at our Investor Day in Boston. Today, we are pleased to share another quarter of strong results as we close out a very successful 2025 and continue to execute our long-term growth strategy, further positioning ourselves to win in the AI native area. We are confident of our unique differentiation and look forward to building on the momentum we created throughout 2025. At the start of last year, we noted that for us it was going to be a year of transition. In fact, today marks my second earnings call and my very first year-end report, underscoring the fast pace at which we continue to operate and adapt to conditions both extraordinary and operational here at EPAM. As we look ahead to 2026, we see a year of AI momentum marked by our clients' ongoing shift in spending towards AI investments and strategic deployments. Importantly, we expect to build on our growing momentum in AI native services, supported by our AI foundational services that enable clients to scale AI across their enterprises. These offerings are becoming a more substantial piece of our total services mix, illustrating our ability to capture higher volume and more strategic opportunities as AI investments accelerate across the market. Let me share why we believe EPAM is positioned to win this new AI native services category. While we are seeing measurable productivity gains at scale, we are also seeing complexity dramatically increase at faster pace than we have seen in prior cycles. Clients are facing growing pressure to continue to invest in AI, and that means platform modernization, data and cloud foundations, security and critical…

Jason Peterson

Analyst · William Blair

Thank you, FB, and good morning, everyone. In the fourth quarter, EPAM generated over $1.4 billion in revenues, a year-over-year increase of 12.8% on a reported basis, exceeding the high end of our Q4 revenue outlook. On an organic constant currency basis, revenues grew 5.6% compared to the fourth quarter of 2024. We delivered another quarter of very solid year-over-year organic constant currency growth. reflecting our steady and focused execution throughout 2025. As FB mentioned, we continue to benefit from the momentum we've created across our AI native and AI foundational services. One thing is clear. Clients need help in their AI transformation journeys and our advanced engineering capabilities, AI assets and strong delivery execution are helping clients address their most complex business challenges. Our growth this quarter was well balanced, reflecting our relevance and agility across our major geographic regions. Moving to our Q4 vertical performance. Five of our 6 industry verticals posted year-over-year growth. As highlighted last quarter, NEORIS and First Derivative revenues moved from inorganic to organic in November and December 2025, respectively. Financial services once again delivered very strong growth, up 19.8% year-over-year on a reported basis with 5% organic growth in constant currency. Growth was mostly driven by ongoing strength in insurance, banking and asset management. Software and hi-tech grew 18.1% year-over-year, driven by strong execution and broad improvement across large clients. Consumer goods, retail and travel delivered 10.9% year-over-year growth, notably driven by retail and consumer goods. Life sciences & health care increased 2% on a year-over-year basis. Revenue growth in vertical continues to be driven primarily by clients in life sciences and med tech. Business information and media delivered flat year-over-year revenue performance. Our emerging verticals delivered another quarter of strong year-over-year growth of 19.1%. On an organic constant currency basis, growth was…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Your first question comes from the line of Maggie Nolan with William Blair.

Margaret Nolan

Analyst · William Blair

Great. I wanted to ask about the first quarter guidance. At the midpoint, it's a little bit lower than the full year organic revenue and margin guidance. So how do you expect the year to build? And how is the visibility when we think about the larger deals ramping bookings pipeline, those types of factors?

Jason Peterson

Analyst · William Blair

Okay. Let me talk a little bit about Q1, and then I'll hand it over to FB to talk about the remainder of the year. So I think probably the incremental piece of information that we received between our last earnings call and the one obviously we're doing today, is the NEORIS' largest customer was going to ramp down business between Q4 and Q1. Now we have met with them in their headquarters in Mexico, and we do think it stabilizes from this point forward. But we have kind of a mid-single-digit decline in their business between Q4 and Q1. And that probably is the biggest kind of incremental factor. Even with that, if we can run closer to the high end of the range, we're talking about at 3% or maybe somewhat better organic constant currency growth rate in the quarter.

Balazs Fejes

Analyst · William Blair

Maggie, this is FB. For the remaining quarters, I mean, I think we already have a very nicely built pipeline and as we are seeing the opportunities arriving, we are actually seeing how that would be converting from it. We see very good traction in the European and the Middle East markets which we feel that's going to be -- allow us to deliver on the year.

Margaret Nolan

Analyst · William Blair

Okay. Great. And then, FB, you had made a comment on wanting to bolster the vertical industry expertise. Are there investments that you need to make in sales or delivery in order to achieve this? And are those going to be material to the P&L? Maybe a few comments on how that will impact your competitive positioning as well.

Balazs Fejes

Analyst · William Blair

So I think our current P&L reflects already the guidance reflects the investments, which we're planning to make in 2026. Yes, we are prioritizing investment into business development and prioritizing, developing besides just the AI, which is our biggest investment area, building out our industry capabilities and vertical accelerators and expertise themselves.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Jonathan Lee with Guggenheim Partners.

Jonathan Lee

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners

Last quarter, you called out an expectation of 2026 organic growth being faster than that of 2025. With that in mind, can you help us reconcile that commentary to the 2026 outlook that at the midpoint on an organic constant currency basis is slower than what you delivered in '25? Is that due to NEORIS' largest client? Are there any other factors there?

Jason Peterson

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners

Yes. Jonathan, thanks for the question, and it's certainly a good one. And so you're right. I think we had 4.9% organic constant currency growth in 2025. The midpoint of the range would produce 4.5%. Since the last time we talked, as I told Maggie, we did get incremental information on the NEORIS largest client. As I called out in my fixed remarks, we expect it will have -- the decline on a year-over-year basis will have a negative 100 basis point impact on growth. So you've got the 4.5% of the midpoint of our range obviously, would be 100 basis points higher on the rest of the business. I think the other thing that we're trying to do from a guidance standpoint is to make certain that we guide to kind of what we can see today. We're not assuming improvement in environment. Clearly, we've got some opportunities that we talked about throughout the remainder of the year. And so we're clearly going to work to drive towards better, and we'll update you on our progress throughout the year.

Jonathan Lee

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners

Understood. With that in mind, can you help us -- can you help us walk through what's contemplated across the low end and the high end? How much [ Go get ] is still needed? And are there any verticals that you would expect to accelerate versus decelerate in the near to medium term?

Balazs Fejes

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners

So let me start with the verticals. We continue seeing very strong demand in financial services and energy. We also kind of forecast or expect our life science and health care to gain momentum later part of the year, which is typically very much calendar dependent. So that's -- and clearly, high tech and software and hi-tech continues to be a growth area for us. In terms of between the low end and the high end, I think we're not contemplating anything like changing macro environment in order to achieve the high end of the range. Just like this year, we are expecting that we are going to winning the deals and some of the clients start accelerating expenditure in later quarters.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from James Kupferberg with Wells Fargo.

Jason Kupferberg

Analyst · Wells Fargo

So I wanted to come back to some of the commentary around the elongated sales cycles. And then I think, Jason, you mentioned some client in decision at the outset of the year. So are those dynamics impacting the full year guide or just the shape of the year, i.e., the Q1 outlook. So putting NEORIS largest client on the side, I just wanted to understand those broader dynamics that you both alluded to in prepared remarks.

Balazs Fejes

Analyst · Wells Fargo

So I think as the year started, it's starting similar to last year, right? We actually do have better visibility in 2026, what we had in 2025. but it's kind of starting in the same way in terms of shape of the revenue decision-making process. At the same time, as clients are now really decided to actually embark on large AI transformation programs. That's naturally drives them towards a more stringent, let's call it, slower process, which is involved procurement which is naturally going to slow down the decision-making process itself. But I think this is just make things bigger, right? And it's actually as the programs are bigger now and more substantial, this is actually just makes a little bit of a delay, and that's going to be realized on those project starts will be come in the later part of the year. but I think it's more natural to the shift what we are experiencing.

Jason Kupferberg

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Okay. Okay. So it sounds like those dynamics didn't really impact how you guided the full year. It's just more about the shape of the year. Is that right?

Balazs Fejes

Analyst · Wells Fargo

That's correct.

Jason Kupferberg

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Okay. Okay. And then, Jason, just real quick. Anything you can give us on gross margin and free cash flow expectations for this year?

Jason Peterson

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Yes. So that's great. So we had, obviously, really strong free cash flow in 2025. The only thing I would say is as we look ahead towards 2026, we did come out in 2025, but above our traditional 80% to 90% conversion guide and think -- do not think that we'll continue to do that. I think that we should operate within the 80% to 90% range. And then from a gross margin standpoint, and this also would kind of answer one of Maggie's questions is we do intend to continue to make investments in business development and partnership programs to drive top line revenue growth. With that said, I don't expect as much benefit from productivity and efficiency and SG&A again, because we're going to recycle some of those benefits into investments in business development. So most of the improvement will come from gross margin. What we are seeing is better execution in some of our expanding geographies like Western and Central Europe. In India, as we've talked about and the profitability in each of those or continues to improve on a year-over-year basis. Plus we're getting a little bit of price as we enter the year. And so all those things give us confidence that we can improve our gross margin between 2025 and 2026.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Bryan Bergin with TD Cowen.

Bryan Bergin

Analyst · Bryan Bergin with TD Cowen

First on the growth guidance, Jason, on the large client, I think I heard you said you expect that to be down, I think, sequentially mid-single digits. What does that translate to as a headwind to year-over-year growth for the first quarter? And also for the first quarter growth guide, are there any build date dynamics to consider?

Jason Peterson

Analyst · Bryan Bergin with TD Cowen

Yes. So it's 100 basis points approximately for the full year, and it's also about 100 basis points impact on the Q1 number. And so again, you could do the same thing. You could add 10% to our guide for organic constant currency, and that would be the -- our book of business, excluding that one large customer. The build [ day ] impact, you have fewer builders as you go from Q4 to Q1. So that clearly has some impact on both profitability and on revenues you probably will have lower vacation, though. So maybe there's kind of a net-net on that when I think about the revenue going from Q4 to Q1.

Bryan Bergin

Analyst · Bryan Bergin with TD Cowen

Okay. And then as it relates to the workforce, can you give us an update on permitting and global delivery optimization, kind of the effort and the progress there and your expectations around billable engineering resource additions for '26?

Jason Peterson

Analyst · Bryan Bergin with TD Cowen

Yes. The interesting thing is, in Q4, we actually did see better utilization in Q3 to Q4 if you adjust for vacation. As I kind of hinted in my prepared remarks is we finally have gotten to that shift where we do have more people taking their year-end holiday around December 25 rather than January 7. And so what we are -- so what we did see is lower bench. We continue to focus on that. through our cost optimization program. We are getting, I would say, better cost outcomes, I would say, great execution in Western and Central Asia, Eastern Europe and India. And at the same time, we're moving to make certain that we're cost efficient in those geographies. So we are seeing improving profitability in each of those more rapidly growing geographies. And we continue to work on utilization improvements throughout the year.

Balazs Fejes

Analyst · Bryan Bergin with TD Cowen

Addition to that, throughout 2026, we'll continue working on optimizing our pyramid, and that's why we started to onboard the juniors already in Q4 in 2025. So that's very much -- it's going to play out throughout the year. And we will continue working on it as we talked about it in previous quarters on optimizing or delivering organization or [ delivery pyramid itself ] to actually go back to shape, which is more healthy and more sustainable on a going forward basis.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from David Grossman with Stifel.

David Grossman

Analyst · Stifel

So Jason, you did the job of kind of explaining the impact of the acquisitions on growth in '26. I'm just curious, maybe you could do the same and help characterize what impact pricing is having either positive or negative year-over-year in '26. And also whether there's any kind of mix shift dynamics that may still be impacting revenue growth. And I'm speaking specifically of mix shift to India?

Jason Peterson

Analyst · Stifel

Yes, that's fair. So we did get a little bit of price improvement in the second half of 2025 and what we are seeing as we enter 2026 is at a quite significant number of clients in both Europe and North America are giving us at least low single-digit rate increases. And so is not the way it would have been, let's say, 4 or 5 years ago, but it's definitely a somewhat improving pricing environment relative to the last couple of years. I think to your point, with India, we continue to execute successfully across the broad range of geographies. India is growing faster than the other geographies. We are still priced at a premium there and the profitability in India continues to sort of expand beyond our average. So last year, I said, hey, India is operating at profitability higher than EPAM average. This year, we expect it will operate at an even higher level of profitability, getting closer to our most mature geographies. But India still obviously prices at a somewhat lower rate on a dollars per hour basis. So there's probably some impact there. But again, we continue to feel that it's actually -- it's probably positive or margin accretive, any expansion that we see in that geography.

David Grossman

Analyst · Stifel

Great. And then I think there were some commentary in the prepared remarks about -- and I think, FB, you said this again in the Q&A about decision-making slowing. However, the deals are getting larger. I think the industry has been talking about this for the past 12 to 18 months. When does that [ dam ] have to break at some point, when does the spending have to accelerate despite uncertainty?

Balazs Fejes

Analyst · Stifel

I wish I would have a crystal ball for that. But I think we are seeing more and more larger programs, which makes me optimistic that we are getting close to that point. So I think right now, there are clearly in certain industries, financial services, for example, in Europe, people are no longer able to hold back their transformation and nondiscretionary CapEx expenditure. Plus in certain other industries, we're already seeing people are no longer able to delay their decision making around AI investments, and that's triggering larger programs. But as larger programs are being requested or being executed, clearly, the governance around the selection process. The procurement is actually becomes a little bit more bureaucratic and when all the enterprises are making larger decisions, they are -- the selection process naturally slows down.

David Grossman

Analyst · Stifel

Yes. Are there any data points you can share that would kind of help us understand the momentum that may be building or accelerating in terms of conversion?

Balazs Fejes

Analyst · Stifel

I think in AI, we're definitely going to start sharing one. But I think what -- the data point which also was part of my opening remarks is that the scale of the AI native revenues, we expect to reach $600 million in 2026 for EPAM. So it's actually scaling up, growing very rapidly, but it's still a smaller part of our business.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Jamie Friedman with Susquehanna.

James Friedman

Analyst · Susquehanna

I had a couple of more quantitative questions. By my math, the revenue per utilized head year-over-year grew about 10% -- almost 11%. And because pricing conversations can be quite subjective that we think of as price. So I'm just wondering if you would react to that, is that revenue per utilized had reflecting a better pricing environment? And then I have one quick follow-up.

Jason Peterson

Analyst · Susquehanna

Yes. I think as we've talked about over the years, the revenue per head calculation is not one that we usually do internally because there's just an awful lot of noise. But I know it is something that people do externally. Just to remind people of the noise, foreign exchange can have an impact. Obviously, price can have an impact. utilization can have an impact. And then there's different kind of revenue recognition elements that can also have an impact where you might have done work earlier in the year and then recognize revenue later in the year. So all those things can kind of impact that number. The other thing that I do want to remind people of is that we are reporting numbers that are employees only. We do have some contractors. If the contractors grow, they might -- they obviously would generate revenue, but it wouldn't necessarily be in the denominator in that head count figure. So with all those things said, Jamie, I would do the same math that you would do, and I would see that revenue has improved. I would say some of that is foreign exchange base. Some of that is price. And then we did have a specific 1 or 2 revenue recognition, recognize revenue where the work was done earlier and that was recognized in Q4. So all those things contributed somewhat to that beat. And at the same time, even if I adjusted out any of those benefits, we still had a beat relative to our original guidance for Q4.

James Friedman

Analyst · Susquehanna

Okay. And then just to follow up with that, Jason. The other thing that makes the math -- that limits the math is the shift to fixed price. And you had a 150 basis point increase in fixed price as a percentage of total revenue to 20.2%. And I would imagine that, that's -- since it's not [ time materials ], it's not gated by head count. So could you -- but at the same time, your free cash flow was really good and your [ DSO ] was good. So anyway, in terms of the journey to fixed price, which you've been talking about for a while, and it clearly evolved last year quite a bit. How should we be thinking about that as the impact on, say, free cash flow? Because we don't see like unbilled revenue, and it's hard for us to get other details. So any comment about how the fixed-price transition impacts free cash flow. And I'm sorry, someone asked me to ask you about the implications of that for repurchase would be helpful, free cash flow repurchase.

Jason Peterson

Analyst · Susquehanna

Excellent. Excellent. There are a lot of questions in that.

James Friedman

Analyst · Susquehanna

Sorry about that.

Jason Peterson

Analyst · Susquehanna

Yes. No, that's fine. Okay. So you're correct that we are seeing an evolution towards more fixed fee. Yes, I think I have said in my prepared remarks that I do think that at least in the past, it does give us an opportunity to improve pricing as we introduce, let's say, somewhat different commercial models in response to the changing mix of AI native and AI foundational revenues. And so I think you will continue to see an increasing mix of fixed fee. Again, we don't think it goes from 20% to 50%, but in 2026. But it is -- I would suspect it will continue to increase throughout the year. From a cash flow standpoint, I think it's hard for me to say exactly how the fixed fee impacts that because there are different types of fixed fee. So some do have a monthly fixed kind of development associated with them, and that would have a very similar feel to [ T&M ] in terms of how we get paid. There might be some opportunities to have milestone payments that maybe occur before revenue recognition which we give you an increase in deferred revenue and at the same time, allow you to sort of drive -- potentially collect cash in advance of revenue recognition. But I think I'd take us back to what I said earlier, which is I'd really think as we look ahead that we'll operate in the [ 80s ], not in the [ 90s ], the way we did in 2025 from a free cash flow conversion. And then just quickly to fork in that share repurchase clearly with the share price where it is today, you'll continue to see us reasonably active in terms of share repurchases, particularly in the first half of 2026.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Bryan Keane with Citi.

Bryan Keane

Analyst · Bryan Keane with Citi

I wanted to ask just on the big debate going on with AI eating software and potential implications for the IT services market. Obviously, software stocks have sold off. And as a result, we've seen the IT services stocks also under pressure. So how do you think about FB especially the AI pressure potentially from [ anthropic ] and Open AI as some of their modules get pushed out?

Balazs Fejes

Analyst · Bryan Keane with Citi

So Bryan, thank you very much for the question. I think we're actually very, very bullish and optimistic. This is going to open up a tremendous opportunity for EPAM. It's going to turn [indiscernible] the buy versus build question, right? And EPAM is a builder. We're going to build much, much more software, right? There is no limit how much software people would like to build. Yes, the coding part of the activity will be automated. But this opens up the potential for all the high-end work what EPAM is famous and known for, right? It is going to make us stand out because we can use these tools. We can bring our engineering capabilities to it, and we can deliver the solutions our clients [indiscernible]. So actually, I'm much more on the side of AI will enable building more software, more capability. We are a builder. We are not maintaining software. We are not running business processes. We are not in, what people call it, we are not input limited. We are what we want to build, there is a tremendous appetite out there. And if you listen carefully for the comments from [indiscernible], comments from Open AI and a couple of podcasters. They all talk about how much more software people want to build. And right now, because building software becomes easier per unit, people are going to build more. That's what I think about and that's how I see the situation. I think the market a little bit confused. It's very hard to decipher all the signals, but on the long run, we are optimistic and actually very, very bullish what this is going to mean for us.

Bryan Keane

Analyst · Bryan Keane with Citi

Got it. Got it. And we see the pure AI revenues growing significantly for you guys now. I guess the flip side of that, is there any AI pressure as a result of some of the productivity and pricing that gets passed on to the consumer? Do you see some pressure also in addition to the pure actual revenue growth that you see from the AI revenue?

Jason Peterson

Analyst · Bryan Keane with Citi

Yes. I think the one thing I'd say is just into to echo FB is we don't have BPO, we don't have application maintenance that probably is more likely or really large testing practices that might be more impacted. The other thing I just need to make certain that it's communicated is we are not seeing a pressure on our pricing due to AI. Again, most of the pricing that we have is time and materials. As I talked about earlier in our -- earlier with some of the earlier questions is that we did see rate improvement in the second half of 2025 and are seeing rate improvement again here in 2026. So I certainly understand that if you've got a large book of multiyear fixed fee business, that, that might be subject to sort of pressure in certain types of revenue streams. But with the build work that we've historically done and this more advanced AI work, we aren't seeing bill rate compression associated with that.

Operator

Operator

Your last question comes from Jim Schneider with Goldman Sachs.

James Schneider

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Relative to what was just referenced in terms of the pressure on the software stocks and the services stocks. Maybe share with us your thoughts on capital allocation, what are you thinking, what is the board thinking in terms of the desire to potentially do more inorganic actions versus potentially be significantly more aggressive with buyback.

Balazs Fejes

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Jim, thanks for the question. I think -- we continue to -- on the share buybacks, which as Jason also already communicated, we announced the share buyback talent earlier the previous quarter. And in the next couple of quarters, at least definitely in the first half year, we were going to come to make acquisition as appropriate and repurchase shares and especially what we are -- want to execute is small tuck-ins. But that's our plans at this point of time. And once we stabilized our previous acquisition, that's when we look for other opportunities.

Jason Peterson

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

So Jim, in the near term, you probably still have a focus on share repurchases. And then over time, I think we'd be more open to kind of scaled M&A activity.

James Schneider

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Fair enough. And then just one question on the AI native revenue that you called out in the quarter. By my math, it kind of gets you to, for the full year, sort of an 80% increase in the run rate of AI native revenues as we exit Q4. Can you maybe comment on whether that's directionally correct? And then more importantly, can you talk about how you believe that maybe your AI native revenue is different from some of the AI revenue or bookings numbers being reported by your peers?

Jason Peterson

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Yes. So I would say kind of directionally correct. So very high rates of growth on a year-over-year basis. And we talked about the fact that we were seeing strong sequential growth throughout the year and expect to continue to see solid sequential growth in the quarters going forward. I think our definition is very tight and I think FB did pick that up during his prepared remarks, but if you want to provide some more color, FB.

Balazs Fejes

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

So I think it's very important that our definition of AI native revenue is super tight which means that we're not including a lot of things, which probably some of our competitors do include. So just a reminder, we basically include type 1, which is new types of solution where the center of it is AI itself and the AI model is making it possible. We're not including anything in this, which is [ AIS state ], i.e., you're delivering with the solutions which you need to be -- which we are delivering has to be built on top of. Number 2 is when somebody embark on an end-to-end enterprise transformation, which we call [ AI 360 ] that's what we include in the second time. We're not including in the second number, any kind of work, which is what we call data or AI foundational events. Actually, those revenues are much, much larger for us than our AI native revenues.

Operator

Operator

This concludes the time allotted for Q&A. I'd now like to turn the call over to Balazs Fejes for closing remarks.

Balazs Fejes

Analyst · William Blair

Thank you very much. I would like to thank all EPAMers, who made 2025 a successful year and who will make us deliver throughout 2026. And thank you all for attending the call. And I'm looking forward to seeing many of you on our March Investor Analyst Day in Boston. Thank you very much.