Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Actuant Corporation's Third Quarter Fiscal 2012 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded on Wednesday, June 20, 2012. It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Karen Bauer, Actuant's Director of Investor Relations and Communications.

Good morning, and welcome to Actuant's Third Quarter Fiscal 2012 Earnings Conference Call. On the call with me today are Bob Arzbaecher, Actuant's Chief Executive Officer; Mark Goldstein, Chief Operating Officer; and Andy Lampereur, Chief Financial Officer. I would like to point out that our earnings release and the slide presentation supplementing today's call are available in the Investors section of our website. Before we start, let me offer the following cautionary note. During this call, we will be making forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. Investors are cautioned that forward-looking statements are inherently uncertain and that there are a number of factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements. These factors are outlined in our SEC filings. Consistent with prior quarters, we will utilize the one question and one follow-up rule in order to keep today's call to an hour. Thank you in advance for following this practice. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Bob.

Thank you, Karen, and thanks for joining us on today's call. We're very pleased with our third quarter results, which came in pretty much in line with expectations. Given the macro headlines, volatility in some of our end markets and FX headwinds, the third quarter was a great example of the performance consistency you get with a diverse portfolio like Actuant. We called for moderated growth rates, up against the third -- a strong third quarter comparison of last year, and that's precisely what happened. On the top line, we saw robust growth from the Energy segment, up 23% for the quarter. Industrial and Electrical also delivered solid core, with Mastervolt now in the calculation and contributing nicely. Engineered Solutions, as expected, was down due to European truck and auto. EPS was at the high end of guidance, driven by margin expansion, even with the FX headwind. Finally, our free cash flow was outstanding. We completed the acquisition of Turotest for the quarter, a nice tuck-in for Maxima platform and an important addition as we try to grow Actuant in Brazil. And finally, we completed a number of capital structure actions during the quarter to take advantage of historically low interest rates and putting Actuant in great shape to fund both organic and acquisition growth for the foreseeable future. We'll cover all these topics in more detail in the call, as well as add some color to our 2013 guidance we provided. At this point, I'll turn it over to Andy to go through the specifics for the quarter. Andy?

Thank you, Bob, and good morning, everyone. It was an all around good quarter with strong execution evidenced in our operating results, acquisitions, stock repurchases and refinancing activities. I'll first dissect our operating results. Sales of $429 million were at the high end of our guidance range and up 4% core above last year, excluding the impact of acquisitions and foreign currency headwinds. Operating profit grew 17% year-over-year, faster than the overall 9% increase in sales, meaning we once again had operating profit margin expansion this quarter. Our net income and earnings per share were both adversely impacted by the $17 million pretax refinancing charge in the quarter related to converting our former 2% convertible bonds into stock, retiring the old 6 7/8% senior notes and canceling an interest rate swap agreement in conjunction with the refinancing. On an after-tax basis, this was a $10.5 million charge or $0.15 a share net reduction to EPS. I'll cover the details on the refinancing later in the call. Excluding these charges, EPS was $0.60 a share, up 18% over the comparable prior year period. Now I'll provide more color on our results starting first with the sales line. Third quarter sales in total were up 9% consisting of 4% core growth and 8% from acquisitions. The combination of which was partially muted by 3% foreign currency rate headwinds. The 4% core growth was in line with our guidance and our internal expectations and a clear moderation from last quarter's strong 8% core growth. All 3 geographic regions being the Americas, Europe and Asia-Pac showed year-over-year growth, with the Americas, not surprisingly, leading the way. Growth did moderate in Europe as the quarter progressed, and we expect this to continue in the fourth quarter. From a segment level perspective, Energy was a clear…

Thank you, Andy. I want to spend a minute putting our current capital structure in perspective. As most of you know, Actuant started 2000 as a much smaller company with debt leverage of 4x EBITDA. Here we are 12 years later, almost 4x the size after deploying about $1 billion of capital on acquisitions. And our net debt to EBITDA is down to about 1x. Clearly, this is the best capital position and interest rate environment in our history and sets us up well for capital deployment in growth initiatives, as well as having a conservative balance sheet in the event the economy changes drastically for the worse. We continue to opportunistically repurchase shares as you saw us do this quarter and believe we have plenty of capacity to do both share repurchases and business acquisitions. Now let's turn to the Turotest acquisition. We closed this $13 million transaction at the end of March, our first in Brazil. Turotest provides gauges and instrument panels primarily for agriculture and other industrial customers in a nice tuck-in acquisition for the Maxima business. It adds to the agriculture platform we've identified as a key growth end market. We intend to leverage Turotest's assembly and office footprint in Brazil to extend our capabilities to many other Actuant businesses outside of Maxima. I was recently in Brazil and spent some time with our Energy team. What struck me when talking to them and customers like Petrobras was the sheer size of the investments in energy that are being made. Petrobras mentioned something like 54 vessels scheduled to be built, a total committed capital of $250 billion for their offshore initiatives. Just a staggering number and great opportunities for Hydratight, Cortland and Enerpac. We see robust activity in Brazil, as well as other geographic areas, helping…

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Charlie Brady with BMO Capital Markets.

Just with respect to the commentary on Brazil, it sounds like there's a lot of activity going on down there with respect to Energy. Can you remind us kind of what is Brazil in terms of total sales, and I guess specifically on Energy today and kind of where do you see that going over the next 3 to 5 years?

Yes, why don't -- I'll let Andy noodle on and get me the numbers, and I'll just talk more generally and then we can bring the 2 comments together. Brazil today is primarily a Hydratight business and Enerpac business and a little bit of [indiscernible] business that we did for Scania and one other truck customer. We were handling this out of a couple of smaller facilities. With the Turotest acquisitions, I think we're looking that this is going to be a broader initiative. Energy is our biggest business down there. We do a lot of rental tools. We sell them both to Petrobras on a Tier 1 basis but also to quite a bit of sub-suppliers that fall under those guys.

And in terms of sales, Charlie, with Turotest, we do about $30 million -- $30 million, $35 million of revenue down in Brazil.

Okay. And just as a follow-up on the Energy side of the business, can you give us some granularity between the growth rates of Cortland and Hydratight in the quarter?

They were actually quite similar in the quarter. I think within a couple of hundred basis points, within 200 to 300 basis points of one another.

And our next question comes from the line of Deane Dray with Citigroup.

James Bank filling in for Deane. I was just wondering if I could get a better sense of both the European and the China landscape. It looks like it's really impacting your OEM heavy truck space. I think you mentioned in your prepared remarks that Electrical was good, if I'm using the right word. But I was wondering if you could give us a bit more color in terms of north, south regions and maybe how broad-based the weakness is or if it's just really in that vehicle space for you?

Okay. Well, I'll start, and Andy help me on some of the details. Europe in total was up, okay? A lot of people lose that fact, but we actually had core growth. It moderated a bit from the prior quarter, but we also had some pockets of pretty good strength. Energy represents a big chunk, 25% or 30% of the European market. And obviously, the trends we saw in Energy were strong everywhere. We don't do a lot in the southern countries. Our is Germany, Holland, the U.K., a little bit in France, but by and large, we're in the northern climates there. So we saw great results. Mastervolt had a great quarter, admittedly a weak comparable last year, but it was great to see the recovery. And the channel inventory issues that we've seen in the past have dissipated. I think we told you that a couple of quarters ago that we thought we were at the end there. So the last thing I'd say about Europe is IS has been a big positive success for us. A lot of the orders we've talked to you guys about, the Venice MOSE Project, a number of others are in the revenue stream and are offsetting some of the weakness you've got in the general industrial tool portion of Enerpac. As for China, the weakest spot, we're weak in both Enerpac and in truck, but truck being the weakest. Now in China, we're mostly with CNHTC, so it's a single customer. We're in launch mode with FAW. I think that will start offsetting that because obviously, we didn't have sales in the prior periods. So I think we're expecting this to be an improving picture as you go out in the quarters in front. Anything you want to add, Andy?

No.

Yes, that was very helpful. And just for -- the second is just the M&A pipeline. We're hearing that's robust from a lot of the other companies here in this sector, and as you mentioned, your capital structure is as good as it's ever been. But we're really only seeing some bolt-ons here, some tuck-ins there, and I'm just wondering, is there anything going on with the [indiscernible] or strategics maybe, bidding up some stuff so you guys walk away from it or maybe some of these sellers are rethinking exit strategies. I was just wondering if there's anything more to the timing or just that's just coincidence?

I think nothing to call out, nothing unusual out there. I mean, there are certainly some deals that get pricy, and you just walk away from them but nothing out of the ordinary here. People should not read into the fact that we've only closed on 2 small deals. There is plenty of activity out there. And I just remind people that in 2010, we did $40 million of acquisitions. And in 2011, we did $300 million. And this year, we're at $35 million or $40 million. Next year -- or we could end up, certainly, there's a possibility if something happens this quarter, if not this quarter, next year. But it's not for lack of activity, it will happen.

Size of some of the things in the funnel. I mean, our target would be kind of $50 million to $100 million. That would be where we'd like to be. We have things that are smaller than that. I think the largest thing in the funnel now is $250 million or $300 million. But it would be in that perspective that the items are in there, and I would say primarily focused on Energy and Industrial. Those are the 2 areas where most of the activity is going on.

And our next question comes from the line of Robert Barry with UBS.

I know you're planning to give us more segment level detail on the next call, but I was wondering if you could just give us any kind of high-level color about where you're thinking about growth rates by segment. I thought the core growth outlook seemed maybe a little bit light especially because it seems like things are accelerating in Energy or probably moving past the real trough on the truck side. So any high-level color on growth rates by segment would be helpful.

Well, I'm not going to -- I'm really not going to give you any specifics. Let me just take it in context of the quarter that we just reported. I think we believe that Industrial will hang around what it did this quarter. There might be a quarter that's higher and a quarter that's lower. But I think kind of 2x GDP feels about right for us in that business across the diverse landscape we're in. Energy is not going to do what it's doing right now next year. We are not saying that it's going to be up 20%, 23%. So what is it going to be up? You're going to have to wait ’til next quarter to get some data. Conversely, the other way, I think our view is Engineered Solutions will be bouncing along the bottom and will probably be positive to this year's running rate. And Electrical probably somewhere in the middle, probably not at 10%, but probably not at GDP either.

I think, what I would add -- add a little bit of context again and just step back from the detail, the quarter we just delivered was 4% core growth. On a year-to-date basis, we're a little over 6% growth right now. What we're talking about next year is 3% to 5%. So we're not talking about a significant change from the pace we're at right now on this stuff. It's just we saw moderation, and as this year went along, largely because we're up against much more difficult comps, and you saw that come through this quarter in particular. Engineered Solutions and Industrial last year had absolutely blowout quarters from a margin standpoint, and in the case of Industrial, from a revenue standpoint. So I don't want people to read into this too much. We're expecting growth next year as we talked about, it's just, it's not -- we don't have the benefit of a very robust -- look at the chart that I put up there in terms of the last 9 or 10 quarters, we're just not projecting having double-digit growth overall in the first half of the year. That's essentially the difference.

Right. Okay, well, that all sounds very fair. Just in terms of the follow-up, I was wondering if we could -- just on Slide 17, which is very helpful, I was wondering if you could give some color on kind of during the quarter if you saw momentum build, Energy is a pretty late cycle end market. Are you seeing orders pick up there? And if you could add any color just on some of these main slices, up versus downstream on what you're seeing in the end markets, that would be helpful.

I would say Energy was pretty reasonable during the quarter. I mean, there's always some lumps within it, but nothing that I would say as something gaining momentum during the quarter. In some cases, these are projects out there, and it's all depending on when we're scheduled on a given rig on this or working on a project. No real change in, I would say, pace during the quarter. It was pretty solid. Last quarter to this quarter side, I think 27% last quarter, 23% this quarter, boy, not a lot to complain about from our standpoint.

And very broad based, very broad based.

And our next question comes from the line of Ajay Kejriwal with FBR Capital Markets. Ajay Kejriwal - FBR Capital Markets & Co., Research Division: So maybe just a clarification I think in your prepared remarks you mentioned Industrial moderated as the quarter progressed. Was that a comment for Europe or overall Industrial? And then if you can provide any color overall for Industrial for the quarter?

Well, the comment was for overall Industrial, although the same trends followed in both North America and in Europe, the moderation that we talked about. Ajay Kejriwal - FBR Capital Markets & Co., Research Division: So overall Industrial was about 5%. Was May a lot worse? I mean, if it's moderated, I mean, is that the takeaway?

No, I think a lot of this again is what are the order rates coming in. Sometimes there can be differences between order rates and when you're shipping the product out. But just a general, I think, just a general trend of activity and quotes and feedback that we're getting from customers was more the direction in terms of moderation in the quarter.

Yes, it wasn't like it was plus 11% in the first month and then minus 5% by the last month. It's not dramatic at all, very minor.

If anything, we had some price increase activity that happened late in the quarter that actually made the last month a little better. So there was no big fall off. There was no big change. I tend to look at the 3/12, 12/12 pressure curves more than the 1 month that you're talking. And it was moderation across the quarter, pretty much in line. And again, as Andy's comment before, a lot of this moderation had more to do with the exceptional sales volume last year in the third quarter than it does sequentially from quarter-to-quarter.

I think just a summary comment that might put it a little bit to bed, I know you all would like to hear what happened incrementally in the last month versus prior. I mean, there was not a big fall off in any of our businesses. There wasn't a dramatic change from April to May. Just looking over the whole quarter in terms of activity level, just slight moderation in activity level across our businesses as the quarter moved along, moved along. But there wasn't this, how the light flipped -- switch flipped and everything suddenly softened. That is absolutely not what we're seeing.

And that didn't happen in Europe either, which I think a lot of people worry that's what's happening in Europe, and that is not what we're seeing.

And our next question comes from the line of Ann Duignan with JPMorgan. Ann P. Duignan - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Could you give us a little bit more color on the markets that you said showed strength? You talked about U.S. construction and global agriculture. And then could you also comment or give us a little bit more color on your comments that the solar industry is reaching grid parity in certain regions? Could you just expand on both of those, it would be great.

Okay, I'll handle the grid parity. Andy, why don't you handle some of those markets, give you a second to reflect on that. When we refer to grid parity, we think most of Southern Europe is now at grid parity, about half of Germany, most of Italy. It varies country by country because of the cost of current utilities, and that's a big calculation as part of grid parity. What's driven that down, Ann, more recently, and it's a year ahead of when people thought that was going to be there, is the fact that the cost of panels has dropped drastically over the last 2 years. So all of a sudden, even with feed-in tariffs declining, you're still getting there because the cost of the panel is declining. We saw some moderation in our pricing. It was more to do with the inventory glut a year ago than it is anything going on. So again, we like the fact we're at the inverter side. It's more of a technology sell. It's more of the brains of the system. And it doesn't have the same cost pressures that I think you're seeing in panels. So that was one of the positives, and that should have answered your grid parity question.

Yes, in terms of your second question, Ann, and in terms of where are we seeing good demand out there. Certainly, ag was good demand. Construction equipment, North America, any kind of off-highway market was doing pretty well, ag, construction equipment, whatnot. Integrated Solutions with Enerpac really all over the globe was strong, especially in Europe. I think we had an all-time record order quarter in this quarter, I called out a couple of the projects. Mining still continues to be very good. I mean, that's in a lot of -- touches a lot of our different businesses there, but it's still very steady demand in these businesses. Ann P. Duignan - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: And are you see any of those businesses accelerate or are we just kind of leveling out at a decent level in each of those end markets also?

I would say where that growth is higher, it's due to share changes that we've won more than anything that's specific to the whole industry.

And our next question comes from the line off Jeffrey Hammond with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Clearly, you gave a lot of good color on the balance sheet restructuring and where the leverage is, and clearly the pipeline seems active. But as you kind of mature in this share buyback philosophy, just talk about how you're thinking about balance between acquisitions and maybe more permanently giving back some of that free cash flow to shareholders?

Yes. So let me stick with a couple of things here. One is, we're not going to give any guidance on what we're planning on doing for share buybacks. So you guys are just going to have to wait until the actuals when we report. Today, we look at the fact that Actuant stock's valued somewhere around 7 to 8x EBITDA. I think we look at that as a valuation that we're willing to acquire businesses at, and we're certainly willing to acquire ourselves at. If you look at our forecast for $190 million to $200 million of free cash flow next year, and the fact we're at 1x leverage, we see absolutely no constraint on acquisitions even if we want to buy back the rest of the authorization. So I think you should look at it as not an either/or. We will probably blend both.

Okay, great. Just a couple of finer points, can you talk about what was in the $2.6 million of other expense, is that one-timer? And then just any real surprises in Europe truck, good or bad?

Sure, I'll handle the first one. That $2 million or $2.5 million, that's all foreign currency losses. I mean, I think people have kind of missed that thus far is currency moved significantly from April until May, and it's having a significant impact on our fourth quarter guidance as well. A year ago, the average exchange rate was $1.44 for euro to dollar. Now we're projecting $1.25. So that has impact in our fourth quarter. It certainly had impact in the third quarter. That was essentially remeasuring intercompany loans and third-party payables and receivables that would have been denominated in currencies outside of the functional currency of the given business. So that's entirely what it was. And obviously, that was a couple of cent headwind just there in addition to the translation impact as well.

As for the truck side, I think our view is Volvo, Scania, Iveco, DAF, these are all our kind of big customers. They've been pretty consistent with what they've been out, somewhere between down 5, down 15, somewhere in that zip code. They do not have big inventory corrections that we're hearing about or seeing in any of their ordering patterns. It seems like what -- that's what they're forecasting for 2012. Haven't got any guidance from them for 2013, but it seems like it's a very in-control situation in Europe. In North America, it's better. It's positive. Heavy-duty truck affects our Gits business a little bit and our Power-Packer business here in the U.S.

And our next question comes from the line of Jamie Sullivan with RBC Capital Markets.

So you mentioned that the growth moderated throughout the quarter. You kind of expect that to continue but stabilize at current rates, sort of where we are today. I'm just wondering what gives you the confidence in that? Is that just maybe that the comps get smaller as we go forward?

Well, I don't know how to read your question that well. That's just what we're seeing with the geographic spread, 1 to 2x GDP -- or 1% to 2% GDP growth next year. And with our growth and innovation, et cetera, we're kind of 3% to 5%. I think that that's what's there. I'm probing your question thinking that, boy, your things must be worse in Europe, how can you think we're going to be the same? I'll remind you, a piece of our business in Europe is Energy. And then the IS stuff is projects that we have in the backlog. We know they're going to offset and be stronger and very hard for these projects to get slowed down. You've got construction crews on sites. Things like Novarca [ph], the big thing in Russia, is going to happen. So I guess we just look at our roll-up, we analyze, we debate, we talk to all the business presidents, and we're pretty comfortable that this is the range we're going to be in.

That's helpful. And then just a follow-on on Energy, I guess 3 months ago, we're in crude in the $100 to $110 range, we're now in the $80 to $85 range. I'm just wondering how your customers sort of -- what price levels you start to see changes in their behavior?

We've never had a great correlation with oil prices. I mean, we've looked at this about every which way you can analyze. And then, there just isn't that great of a correlation with energy prices. When I talk to customers, it's more adjunct, but it's in the kind of $60 to $70 range is where they start thinking about shutting in things.

On new projects.

That's on new projects. What we saw the last time that we had a close-down, that our sales actually improved because when they shut them in, they want to do more maintenance. So it's not a great correlation for us, Jamie.

And our next question comes from the line of Mike Wherley with Janney Capital Markets.

I just had a question for you on the Mastervolt profitability. You said that, that improved. And I was wondering, was that most of the upside in the Electrical margins during the quarter.

No, it was both. I mean, year-over-year-over-year, clearly that was a big contributor. But both businesses were up year-over-year.

And can that profitability be in the double digits in 2013 for Electrical?

Sure. Yes.

I guess the follow-up question I had was on the debt leverage. So you talked about you're down to about 1x debt-to-EBITDA, but you also said that you could spend all the share buyback authorization and still do M&A. So I was just wondering, what do you see as sort of the optimal debt leverage.

1.5 to 2x GDP.

Debt-to-EBITDA.

Sorry, debt-to-EBITDA.

Yes, and not debt-to-GDP.

Yes, I'm sorry. You're right. You're right. 1.5 to 2.5x debt-to-EBITDA.

And our next question comes from the line of Scott Graham with Jefferies. R. Scott Graham - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: The only question that I really have is about the contingency planning. Again, as Karen elaborated, and you guys have throughout, it doesn't look like there was any type of sea change that occurred from the beginning of the quarter to the end. So I guess what I'm really saying is, if you look out into 2013, and I think everyone's crystal ball in Europe is a little cloudy right now, but what triggers some of the contingency, Bob? And where would that come from? Would it be some of the growth and innovation strategies? But what are some of the triggers that would kind of have you pull back?

I think -- if I can just jump in here, and Bob can then kind of shoo-in on the back of this thing as well. I think we'd have to -- we would see a significant change in tone in the end market in terms of suddenly there's a fall off in incoming orders or customers are signaling something different to us as far as they're going to adjust their inventory levels as an example or their own forecast. That would obviously send us moving very, very quickly within, say, the Industrial business or the hand-to-mouth-type businesses. That would be a big one. We really do watch pressure curves on our sales rate of change curves on a 3-month basis what is happening there. I think those are probably the big [indiscernible]. If we're suddenly seeing some kind of big change, I think, in pricing and demand from pricing, where customers are demanding unusually large reductions or something like that, that would also signal it. But absent that, I mean, that's really the thing that I would...

Yes, but as my comments said earlier, we have contingency planning. With our diversified business, we don't have a contingency plan for overall action. We have a contingency plan that's built up business by business, okay? So you've got some businesses that are down year-over-year that are probably -- that are already implementing some contingency planning. I think we've talked to you guys in the past about Electrical and that we're moving some things from Lumberton, North Carolina to Mexico. So there's a contingency plan that we executed 9 months ago. So there are various plans. I would venture to say, what do you think, Mark, maybe 15 different contingency plans that are already in, not in place to drive, but have been thought through, debated, some are in action, and we call that quiet restructuring. We're doing it all the time. And so -- and that funnel grows and shrinks depending on what's happening. So I don't think there's one event that I would look at to say, "Hey, there's the canary in the coal mine. Now I got to implement this master plan." We're doing it all the time. It doesn't have that same flavor as maybe somebody who's in a single industry and they've got to make big bets. We're making very small bets. They tend to have kind of a 1-year payback, and that's what we're looking at.

I guess the way I would articulate it is the contingency planning is part of our normal forecasting process. Each of the businesses are thinking through some of those scenarios. And then they've got that top drawer action plan that they can take out and implement if needed, when needed. And that's pretty much where we operate. R. Scott Graham - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: I did have one small follow-up question as well. Your, by and large, toward a potential [ph] I know you're not giving segment guidance yet. But it did suggest that maybe Engineered Solutions potentially has an up year next year. Is the thinking still internally that the auto cycle for Actuant at least, the convertible cycle is a big driver to that? Is that -- are we still looking at that starting to pick up in the second half of the fiscal year in '13?

Yes, I wouldn't say it's a big driver. But I think auto given what we've talked to you guys about and the fact that there were a number of conversions that didn't repeat and stuff that ran through this year that, that's in there. Probably the largest piece would be in truck. We've got an FAW launch going on. We've got an India launch that won't be that much revenue next year, but will start us into an Indian truck. I would venture to say truck and off-highway will be probably the stronger 2 chunks that go in there. But I think auto will participate.

[Operator Instructions] And our next follow-up question comes from the line of Charlie Brady with BMO Capital Markets.

Sorry if I missed this. But on the G&I spend, did you quantify what the margin headwind was on that? And kind of quantify what that looks like going forward in terms of spend and maybe the margin impact?

Yes, I'd say we probably -- when you look at this year versus last year, we're probably up $2 million a quarter or so in terms of spend. We're probably approaching a $25 million run rate right now. And there are some additions, we haven't nailed them all down. That's what our planning process, kind of the plan review process, which we'll be going through in the next month here will really zero in on which of those we want to proceed with and which not. But that's where definitely where some of the headwind is. Part of G&I as well is geographic expansion, so that's where India comes into play. We're doubling essentially our footprint down in India and our headcount down in India. We'll be doing some additional things in Brazil. We added a country leader in India this past year, built a team around him. There'll be a similar expansion going forward in Brazil in the future as well, so that's part of it as well.

All right. And then just back to the comment on the Energy segment, I think it was Bob's comment about, they won't maintain obviously the pace that you saw in the third quarter of 23%, but would you still expect that business to be in a double-digit rate in '13?

I'm not going to give you that, Charlie.

I had to try, Bob.

And our next question comes from the line of James Kawai with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey.

My question is really focused on the Electrical segment. I know it's been asked already, but just the sequential pickup in margins was pretty impressive. You also had good organic growth last quarter, but definitely there was a step-up. I was wondering if you guys could provide a little more color there? I know it's Mastervolt, maybe going to Gardner Bender in the Acme business, and maybe to the extent that, is this a step-up in margins here? Or were there some one-timers as well? Just kind of a little more color would be helpful.

Yes, why don't I start and Andy can add a little color in the back behind the -- Electrical had a really good quarter. And Andy didn't give his gold star that he's given in the past. But I think the reason for that was they've been late to the recovery party and haven't really gotten to their prior peaks the way we would have liked at this point. But it had a great quarter. And I think we've been telling you, we're doing quiet restructuring. It impacted the margins in earlier quarters, and this was -- we're starting to see the lack of some of those onetime things in this quarter, combined with margins and a recovery in solar. And some of this business comes with kind of a fixed cost structure. And when you get the volume leverage, it comes through. The 10% of core was pretty broad-based as we talked about. It was in solar. It was in retail. It was in utility. It was in a lot of different pockets that did pretty well. So we view that as a real positive sign. And certainly, there's a play there within this kind of housing recovery that you hear about a lot. And I think we are -- this is the business that has a little bit of a proxy for that for us.

If you look at year-over-year, we were up close to 100 basis points in the North American business from a margin standpoint. And we were up more than that year-over-year in the Mastervolt business. So Mastervolt a year ago was essentially the worst quarter we've seen since we owned the business. It was a very tough quarter. Revenues, it was essentially a low watermark last year from a margin standpoint, so we rebounded very well. We were up a tick sequentially from a margin standpoint as well. So that's where it's coming from, it's a combination of them.

Yes, and I know we're not talking about '13 specifically. But structurally the Electrical business has always been kind of a high-single digit margin business. But we haven't really seen what it could do with Mastervolt layered in with decent end market conditions. I mean, can you kind of speak to structurally where margins could go now that Acme is also going to Mexico as well. I mean, should we think of it as structurally a higher-margin business over the next 3 to 4 years or 2 to 3 years?

That's certainly what we're working on. I mean, I think the North American business has been a mid-teens EBITDA business overall, there's pieces of it that are more profitable than others, but it's in that range. Mastervolt has been below that since we bought it, and it's starting to inch its way up. Certainly, there's no reason why we wouldn't use that as the same goal and then try to improve North America as well. But yes, that's one of our opportunities from a margin expansion standpoint over the next 3 to 5 years. Clearly, it's here, this is the one business that's probably underperforming from a margin standpoint when you look over the last couple of years. And we're starting, it's heading in the right direction, so it's good news.

And there are no further questions at this time. I'll now turn the call back over to Ms. Bauer.

Great. Thanks for joining us on the call today. Just a note to mark your calendars that our fourth quarter call will be held on September 27 this year, and we've also set October 2 as our annual Investor Day to be held in New York. So look for more information on that to come. We'll be around all day to take any follow-up questions you have. Have a great day.

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