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Q1 2016 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 6, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the EnerSys Q1 Fiscal 2016 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded I would like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. John Craig, Chairman and CEO. Sir, you may begin. John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: Thank you very much. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. On the call with me this morning is Dave Shaffer, our President and Chief Operating Officer; and Mike Schmidtlein, our Chief Financial Officer. Last night, we posted on our website slides that we're going to be referring to during the call this morning. So, if you didn't get a chance to see this information, you may want to go to our website tab in the Investors section of our website at www.enersys.com. Before we get into the details of our first quarter results, I'm going to ask Mike Schmidtlein to cover information regarding forward-looking statements. Mike? Michael J. Schmidtlein - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Vice President: Thank you, John, and good morning to everyone. As a reminder, we will be presenting certain forward-looking statements on this call that are based on management's current expectations and are subject to uncertainties and changes in circumstances. Our actual results may differ materially from the forward-looking statements for a number of reasons. Our forward-looking statements are based on management's current views regarding future events and operating performance, and are applicable only as of the dates of such statements. For a list of factors which could affect our future results, including our earnings estimates, see forward-looking statements included in Item 2, Management's Discussion and…

Operator

Operator

Our first question comes from Michael Gallo of C.L. King. Your line is now open. Michael W. Gallo - C.L. King & Associates, Inc.: Hi. Good morning. John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: Good morning, Michael. Michael W. Gallo - C.L. King & Associates, Inc.: John, I just want to dig a little bit on the reserve business. Obviously, it's been somewhat sluggish for a number of quarters. I was wondering if you could just give us a little more detail on what makes you think we'll a rebound. I know you've talked about for a few quarters now that you thought the cabinet business would start to improve. So help us get a little more comfort about what you're seeing in reserve. I guess that Europe probably rebound with the 4G rollout, but what makes you think that the U.S. isn't perhaps in a lower state of spend for a little while. Thanks. John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. Michael, let me start off by saying that the telecom business globally is – what we really have to look at is by region because the events that take place in each of the regions are different. So let me start with the China, the Asian market. The Asia market, what we're seeing is, as an example, in Australia where the build out is very positive for us. The other side of the fence, in China, in the past, we've walked away from the telecom business because the margins were very low, payment terms 250 days to 300 days. We also talked in the past about designing new products to put into our Chongqing factory to offset that. I'm happy to report that that is going very well for us. The new products…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from William Bremer of Maxim Group. Your line is now open.

William Bremer - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst

Good morning, John and Mike. John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: Morning, Bill.

William Bremer - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst

First question, going back to Asia, have you – and I remember, you were gunning for new product launches there. Last quarter, you emphasized that you have received certification. I think you had one or two other products in queue to receive the certifications there. I just want to get an update on that, whether or not that has been completed. And then secondly, I'd like to you to possibly go into the latest acquisition and the thoughts behind that ICS. I understand the better distribution. Could you give us a sense of, say, on a yearly basis, what you feel as though that maybe you've lost or what you hopefully see as a potential gain of lost sales without having that distribution in that area? John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: Okay. Well, let me take your questions. I'm going to take the first part on ICS and give you a little detail and then I'm going to turn it to Dave Shaffer on your first question. Okay. On ICS, as I mentioned earlier, we have a successful battery sales division in Australia. What we don't have is a service organization. That's what's really lacking over there. And if you look at what's going on at the national level in Australia, to put fiber to homes, there's going to be very large spending that's taking place. ICS is tied in with each of the major telecom companies over there. They have a nationwide service organization. We now have customers that are calling us that we haven't done business with in the past. They're now interested in doing business with us because we have the full package; the sales and service, the maintenance, the installation, and the shelters that go along with it. So we believe that this is a great opportunity for us from the standpoint of really growing not just ICS as an independent, but more importantly to me is growing our reserve in more power battery business. Let me stop there, Bill, before we go on to the second part of your question – actually to first part of your question and see if that satisfies you for the ICS acquisition.

William Bremer - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst

It does. Can you give us a sense of what you feel that you lost over the last couple – over a year, because you didn't have this service capability? John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: I don't know exactly what we've lost in it, but a couple of things here for sure. One, there's business that – and I wouldn't say we lost it. We just weren't capable of providing it. It's something that customer wanted in service and we weren't capable of doing it. The dollar amount on that, I don't really have a real strong feeling on it, but we do know that we're getting calls from customers today. But I think as important to that is what is happening in Australia as far as spending and where do we see the spending going on in the fiber to the home. That we know is large. And to back that up, as I mentioned earlier, we just recently received a $10 million order and we suspect that we're going to receive more orders that could be equal to or greater than that $10 million. And we wouldn't be able to taken service and do the installation on those if we didn't have ICS.

William Bremer - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst

Okay. John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: So let me turn it back over to Dave on first part of your question. David M. Shaffer - President & Chief Operating Officer: All right. Bill, regarding the low cost product design changes in China, and the key – the Chongqing factory, which John mentioned, has two parts. The block factory, that business is going very well. The block lines are doing very well. The key is going to be how we fair in these tender results, which John mentioned September or October. We'll find out how we do. We think that we're in a much better position than we were in years prior to achieve a meaningful gross profit from those bid results. Hope that answers your question.

William Bremer - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst

Dave, so how many products do we have for that type of auction? How many are we queuing up there that we feel are competitive to our competitors? David M. Shaffer - President & Chief Operating Officer: It's a product family. And, Bill, but it's still across this, but they tend to buy heavy in one or two skews.

William Bremer - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst

Okay. And you feel that as though we'll have a portfolio to attack that. David M. Shaffer - President & Chief Operating Officer: We're in a better position than we were prior.

William Bremer - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst

Okay. All right. So then the certifications have come though on a number of different skews. David M. Shaffer - President & Chief Operating Officer: Yes, we're working very well on that regard. And so, again, the key will be how we fair on these tender results.

William Bremer - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst

Okay. And then one for you, Mike, on the lead, can you sort of breakdown what the lead benefit was for the quarter? Michael J. Schmidtlein - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Vice President: Well, I'm hesitant to do that, Bill, because in any given quarter, you have what the LME is doing. You also have what our hedges are doing. I would say that on a sequential basis, and it depends on if your reference point is year-over-year or if it is sequential, but I would say, in general, the first quarter was – lead was better than it was in the previous quarter or the previous year mildly better. And as you've seen spot rates for the LME have been going down. But the only caution I'd give you there is just because of some of the hedges and the timing of the FIFO roll out, it's not quiet always as plain, but it's, I would say, mildly positive. John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: I think one other point to pick up on this thing, if you go back and look in the last few years that lead has been low and then it goes very high and then it goes low. It swings all over the place. And, Bill, you've heard me say many times in the past, I don't care if lead is $2 a pound or $0.20 a pound. Our industry has demonstrated it has the ability to pass along in pricing. Now, with lead coming down, obviously, without many pass-throughs, pricing is going to come down also. So when you look, you just can't isolate lead alone. You've got to look at lead, the cost of commodity and you've got to look at automatic pass-throughs and then you have to look at the general market to see where it is. But I'd tell you the thing that really is good is that we've got some reasonable level of stability in the LME right now. The thing that was really bad in the past is when you go from a $0.80 a pound to $1.30 a pound and you're playing catch up on pricing, then $1.30 a pound back down to under $1, and then your pricing is holding for a while. So we got stability right now, which is really nice.

William Bremer - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst

No, I hear you, John, but what we have here is, what, 23% pullback year-over-year. I mean that's very solid for you going forward. John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. I would agree.

William Bremer - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ben Hearnsberger of Stephens. Your line is now open.

Ben Hearnsberger - Stephens, Inc.

Analyst

Hey. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to dig into the 2Q EBIT margin expectations. It looks likes you're guiding for EBIT margins to be lower than 1Q, despite the fact we'll expect a little bit of a back half pickup this year. We've got the commodity tailwind persisting. Can you just give us some color around maybe why the conservatism in the EBIT margin guide? John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. I'm going to turn that to Mike. Before I do though, keep in mind, our policy has been and continues to be that we will project ahead at one quarter what our EPS is and we don't want to get into a situation about volume and all of the other variables with it because it just creates a lot of confusion. Everything that we have in there, whether it's volume or commodities or anything else, is reflected in our guidance. But with that being said, Mike, why don't pick up on that question? Michael J. Schmidtlein - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Vice President: Yes. I guess, the two factors I would point to, Ben, would be, I would expect the gross profit margin – the strength of our gross profit margin to continue through the next quarter. And also, based on timing of our stock compensation awards, which are done in the middle of our first quarter, I would expect our second quarter's operating expenses to be higher. So I would say those two things will kind of offset one another and you should see operating margins would be comparable to the current quarter.

Ben Hearnsberger - Stephens, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. That's really helpful. And then, you mentioned that the 1Q margin held in as well as it did, both by – driven by commodity costs and then some manufacturing efficiencies. Do you have – are there more efficiencies out there that you can go and tackle or are you feel like you're running about as lean as you can at this point? John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: When you look at every quarter, we have restructuring charges in there. And you look at that numbers say, gee, when does that end. Well, my answer to it is I hope it doesn't end. I hope we can continue to find these great paybacks on restructuring that we've seen. And, yes, we're constantly looking how we restructure the business to become more efficient. So, Mike, you want to pick up on it also? Michael J. Schmidtlein - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Vice President: Well, the only thing I would say and I can't promise, it's – the relief will be in the second quarter, but I think our biggest opportunity, when it comes to manufacturing cost, will be as we move out of the transition in our – as we transition some of the older plants in China to the new plants and the new plants we're starting up, et cetera. But that's where we anticipate the best near-term opportunity is to put behind us those transition costs in China. John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: Yeah. One other thing I want to bring up here is going to be about margins increase. So we talked about margins of where they're going. And Dave, why don't you pick up on what we're doing in new product area to increase margins? David M. Shaffer - President & Chief Operating Officer: Well, again, there's a lot of new products. The modular charging line, we've seen some great results. It's not higher – it's definitely not higher pricings. It's higher margins. We've got other new products. That's been a key component of our margin improvement and one of the messages for sustainability about margins.

Ben Hearnsberger - Stephens, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful. And then, John, maybe one last one from me, can you give us a sense around how the OptiGrid pipeline looks? John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: Yes. This year we're looking in the zip code of about $10 million. And then let's go back a little bit for those who don't know what OptiGrid is, it's really off-grid storage, the main application for us that'd be behind the meter. There would be a situation that when electricity is very expensive during the daytime that you'd be discharging the batteries and using that energy to run a building. Then, during the night time, when the electricity is cheaper, you'd recharge the batteries. As I mentioned, we're looking about $10 million of revenue this year. We have somewhere between $50 million to $100 million in code activity that's out there today. I don't expect – and I've said this all along, I don't expect this thing to grow rapidly. It's going to be slow growth with it. And it's not – because of EnerSys, I think it's the whole thing of how many people are going to be investing in type of systems going forward. You have government subsidies today that's helping out quite a bit. They go away, what happens to it? So it's one that it's a relatively minor investment for us to be in it, but it has some pretty good upside for us.

Ben Hearnsberger - Stephens, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you, gentlemen.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from John Franzreb of Sidoti. Your line is now open. John E. Franzreb - Sidoti & Co. LLC: Good morning, guys. John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: Hey, John. John E. Franzreb - Sidoti & Co. LLC: I just want to revisit the lead story. With lead prices at five year lows, I'm kind of surprised that you're more optimistic about potential tailwinds and the commodities side of the business. Is that because you're little concerned maybe about what the volumes are looking like in reserve or you just don't believe that it can stayed down here at this level? John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: No, I think it's this, John, and we talk about this all along that when lead goes up, we play catch-up on getting pricing. When lead goes down and you have automatic pass-throughs, it's hard to (32:19). So, yes, but lead is going to be a real pickup for us, it's going to help us, but the pricing is going to offset with it. Now, the second point is, keep in mind, that in Europe, lead is – we sell in euros, but when we buy lead, we have to convert the euros to dollar to buy the lead. John E. Franzreb - Sidoti & Co. LLC: Right. John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: And with the FX effect being down, you really – you get little to no advantage with the LME dropping down, when the currency is low. So where we really going to take up the advantages on this is going to be in the United States, and to a lesser extent in China, but you're not going to get a lot of benefit out of…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Sven Eenmaa of Stifel. Your line is now open. Sven Eenmaa - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Great. Thanks for taking my questions. First, I wanted to walk through the organic growth dynamics you guys saw in reserve power business across regions from March quarter to June quarter. On telecom side, which – where do you think are going to be the biggest drop off, whether it'd be in European side – do you see further declines in U.S. as well? Michael J. Schmidtlein - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Vice President: Sven, this is Mike. So typically, we provide regional background across geography, but not by product line. So on product line, we tend to want to say what it is for the total of the product line, because for purposes of segmentation I can't slice and dice. So I would say, overall, we had an 8% organic decline in reserve power across all regions. The largest decline of those was in Asia, which we've mentioned on a couple of calls, was in large part because of our decision over a year ago to not participate at high levels in the tender offers that were coming from the major telecom customers. So I would say the biggest pressure on reserve power is coming out of Asia. Sven Eenmaa - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Got it. And so when you think about the commentary you've provided in your earnings announcements regarding third quarter order activity improving, is that – are these expectations tied primarily to the Asia markets or is it tied to Europe, or U.S.? John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: It's tied to both. We believe that there's a pause that's taken place, which we've seen –…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And we have a follow-up question from William Bremer of Maxim. Your line is now open.

William Bremer - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst

Hey, gentlemen. Just a couple of follow-ups. First going into reserve, can you give us sort of a sense of how you see the revenues portraying throughout the rest of this year? And I want to go into pricing there as well of the orders that you're getting now, are they comparable to what we saw during the first quarter or how is the pricing environment there? John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: Pricing is good. Pricing is not an issue. As I said, it's a pause that we're seeing right now and, Bill, it's projecting the future. Where do we believe it's going to go, and it's very difficult to do that, obviously. But it's our belief, as I mentioned earlier, Dave talking with our sales organization in Europe and what we hearing from customers, that it should – it's our belief that it'll pick back up again. But we're going to wait and see. Dave, you want to add it? David M. Shaffer - President & Chief Operating Officer: Yeah. And, Bill, this is Dave. Just to note that we continue to focus on improving the mix of the premium products, I mean, in every day and every way, that's our goal and that has a positive impact on margins.

William Bremer - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst

Do you expect the back half of this year to be greater than the first half in terms of (43:33). John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: Absolutely. We've said that in the script, we're fully anticipating it. We have to look at it right now where do we think the second half is going to come out. And the reason we have to look at that is we have to be sure our manufacturing plans are capable of providing what is needed to support that forecast. And if that forecast is way low, then we need to do cut backs. So we're analyzing that daily and where we think that things should fall. And right now, we are anticipating it will pick back up. If it does it, then we're going to have to look at other alternatives, but we feel at this stage, based on the data that we're receiving, the intelligence that we're receiving from our sales organization, from our customers, that we should see a pickup.

William Bremer - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst

And, John, with that commentary, do you believe the second half in terms of earnings per share will be greater than the year-over-year comparable time? John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: That's what we've said earlier. Oh, on comparable time? What we've said is the second half would be better than first.

William Bremer - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst

Second half of 2016 versus second half of 2015. John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: I don't know on that. Mike, you know? Michael J. Schmidtlein - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Vice President: Well, I would say again, Bill, you're stretching us beyond our comfort zone in terms of what we can see from activity on commodities or actual orders from our customers, but I would say we should expect it to be better, if for no other reason, if we are talking on an earnings per share basis, because we're going to have significantly fewer shares in the second half of this year. On a dollar basis, it's probably going to be more flat.

William Bremer - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, Mike.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Rosencrans with VA. Your line is now open.

Howard A. Rosencrans - Value Advisory LLC

Analyst · VA. Your line is now open.

Hi, guys. John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: Hey, Howard.

Howard A. Rosencrans - Value Advisory LLC

Analyst · VA. Your line is now open.

A quick question, the Americas, John, you've talked in the past when the margins get good about what the sort of long-term sustainable margins are. This quarter, you were down in – you had – it was weak sales quarter, but you were able to achieve a strong margin. Obviously, commodities were a key driver there. So where do you think the margin – is this sort of the top-end of where the Americas margin can be? Or what do you see into the next, however, long you want to share with us? Thank you. John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: Yes. Howard, that question was asked a couple of years ago when we talked about Europe and how Europe had a pickup, because I said at the time we were running about 15% in the Americas that we're not going to playing on that being sustainable. Okay? You can price yourself right out of the market. We believe that we're best value that we actually save our customers' money in the long run by the services that I think we bring to them. And I think we've demonstrated that by the market share that we hold in the Americas. I think customers do recognize that. Now, Howard, to your question is should you give higher than 15%, that's a real stress because I think you price yourself out of the market. Right now, I'm very pleased with what we've seen, especially in the motive power business in the Americas. It's going extremely well for us because of the value that we bring to it. So we want to maintain the same level we're at right now and we're very happy with that.

Howard A. Rosencrans - Value Advisory LLC

Analyst · VA. Your line is now open.

Okay, great. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Michael Gallo of C.L. King. Your line is now open. Michael W. Gallo - C.L. King & Associates, Inc.: Hi. Just a follow-up. Mike, what do you expect the tax rate for the year-to-date? Michael J. Schmidtlein - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Vice President: I would expect, Mike, that the tax rate for the full year would be approximately 25% and typically just because of, if for no other reason, the U.S. Congress kind of waits to pass legislation with regards to the exemption of the look-through rules for taxes. Our fourth quarter rate typically is our lowest rate of the year and our first and second quarters are typically the highest. But this year, 23%, I think I said 26% to 28% in Q2, full year average 25%. Michael W. Gallo - C.L. King & Associates, Inc.: Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And at this time, I'm showing no further questions in the queue. I would like to turn the call back to John Craig, Chairman and CEO, for any closing remarks. John D. Craig - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer: Thank you very much, and everyone, thank you for taking your time this morning to join us on the call and have a great day. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation on today's conference. This concludes the program. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.