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Q3 2024 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 31, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Chuck, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the EMCOR Group Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Andy Backman, Vice President of Investor Relations. Mr. Backman, you may begin.

Andy Backman

Analyst

Thank you, Chuck, and good morning everyone and welcome to EMCOR's Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. For those of you joining us by webcast, we are at the beginning of our slide presentation that will accompany our results today. The presentation will be archived in the Investor Relations section of our website at emcorgroup.com. With me today are Tony Guzzi, our Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; Jason Nalbandian, Senior Vice President and EMCOR's Chief Financial Officer; and Maxine Mauricio, Executive Vice President, Chief Administrative Officer and General Counsel. For today's call, Tony will provide comments on our third quarter. Jason will then review the third quarter numbers before turning it back to Tony to discuss RPOs, as well as reviewing our revised 2024 guidance before we open it up for Q&A. Before we begin, as a reminder, this presentation and discussion contain certain forward-looking statements and may contain certain non-GAAP financial information. Slide two of our presentation describes in detail these forward-looking statements and the non-GAAP financial information disclosures. I encourage everyone to review both disclosures in conjunction with our discussion and accompanying slides. And finally, as a reminder, all financial information discussed during this morning's call is included in our consolidated financial statements within both our earnings press release issued this morning and in our Form 10-Q filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. And with that, let me turn the call over to Tony. Tony?

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

Yes. Thanks much, Andy and I'll be speaking mainly just Page 4 of this opening. In the third quarter of 2024, our team continued to perform exceptionally well and delivered another great quarter. When you compare it to the third quarter of 2023, we had record revenues of $3.7 billion, which represents growth of 15.3% revenue growth. We had record operating income of $363.5 million, which was a 54.7% increase and we more than doubled our operating cash flow to $526 million. Our RPOs grew to a record $9.8 billion in the quarter, up $1.15 billion or 13.4% from the prior year quarter and we earned diluted earnings per share of $5.80 compared to $3.57 for the third quarter of 2023. Our Electrical and Mechanical Construction segments continued their impressive performance with a combined third quarter operating margin of 13.3% and individual operating margins of 14.1% and 12.9% respectively. How this happens is through excellent field leadership that continued to drive this outstanding execution through relentless attention to detail and constant innovation across the project life cycle. That begins with project and customer selection, estimating contract structure and negotiation, significant use of VDC which is virtual design construct. We used to talk about it as BIM. Now we talk about is a more holistic approach with virtual design construct, which leads to prefabrication, labor planning and training, commissioning and finally, all the way through the diligent collection of receivables. Our teams then incorporate these learnings into the next opportunity to make them even more successful and productive for our customers. We do have a continuous improvement and learning culture here at EMCOR. And when you couple that great execution with a strong mix of work that includes data centers, semiconductor plants, other high-tech and traditional manufacturing, institutional water and waste…

Jason Nalbandian

Analyst

Thank you, Tony. Over the next several slides, I'll review the operating performance for each of our segments as well as some of the key financial data for the third quarter of 2024 compared to the third quarter of 2023. I'm going to start here on Slide 5, which is revenues. As Tony mentioned, consolidated revenues were a quarterly record at $3.7 billion, an increase of $489.3 million, or 15.3%. Led by our Construction segments, we continue to execute well and demand remains strong across most of the large and growing sectors that we serve. On an organic basis, revenues grew by 12.6%. Looking at our segments. Revenues of U.S. Electrical Construction were $845 million, an increase of 21.2%. This segment continues to benefit from increased demand across many market sectors with the most significant growth coming once again from network and communications due to our data center project demand. This segment additionally experienced notable increases in renews within high-tech manufacturing, as well as the institutional and manufacturing and industrial sectors. In the quarter, revenue growth within manufacturing and industrial was partially driven by the completion of certain battery energy storage projects. U.S. Mechanical Construction revenues were $1.66 billion, increasing 25%. Demand in this segment continues to be broad-based, and we once again saw growth in the majority of the markets in which we operate. While the strongest growth was seen in high-tech manufacturing and networking communications, we also experienced notable increases within institutional and health care. The segment additionally benefited from greater levels of service work. As we expected and consistent with my comments last quarter, partially offsetting the growth for both of our construction segments was a decrease in revenues from the commercial sector due to either the reduced demand across the commercial real estate industry or the…

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

Thanks Jason. And like I said all said, what a great quarter. As I discussed RPOs, I'd like you to take slides 10 and 11 together and put them side by side and we can see the themes driving our business. On slide 10 you can see the key trends in sectors where we are experiencing growth. If you look at data centers and connectivity, we continue to see strong demand for hyperscale data center work, which is included in network and communications sector. At the end of the quarter, RPOs in this sector were a record $2.1 billion, up $759 million or nearly 55% year-over-year and almost 25% sequentially. As I've said on prior calls, we believe that we are in the early innings of the overall data center expansion especially with the addition of AI and that we've successfully positioned ourselves in more data center key geographies over the past five years to serve our customers better. Reshoring and near-shoring continues to provide opportunity for us in both the high-tech manufacturing and traditional manufacturing and industrial sectors. In high-tech manufacturing, we have RPOs of $1.3 billion at the end of the third quarter and that includes semiconductor, pharma, biotech, life sciences and the electric vehicle value chain. RPOs in this sector were down 7% from the year ago period as we continue to work through a number of high-tech manufacturing projects, including the initial fab one of several semiconductor campuses. However, we believe the long-term fundamentals here are solid. And as we have stated before, we expect ebbs and flows in the award of this work. Many of these project sites are multi-year sites and we are working on or anticipate working on multiyear multiphase construction projects, for which we will generally only be awarded one phase at…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session [Operator Instructions] And the first question will come from Brent Thielman with D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Brent Thielman

Analyst

Hi, thanks. Good morning.

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

Good morning, Brent.

Brent Thielman

Analyst

Hey, just first on growth in data center for you just continues to be remarkable. Tony, I was wondering if you could just talk around what's being supported by new build-out versus retrofit? And then as you think about retrofit down the line how much of an opportunity is that for you in that category?

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

I think it's going to be a significant opportunity. But if you look today specifically, 90% plus of our work is new build. And probably two-thirds of that is on existing campuses and one-third of that is on new campuses. And Brent when we think about data centers actually to get ready for this call, I always reflect on what's changed over a 5-year period. If you go back to the middle of 2019 and you snap the line here at the end of the third quarter, we were serving electrically about 2.5 markets at the end of 2019. And the half is because it's not really a data center market. It's more of one of those places where they use to transfer data here around the New York area. And today, I counted at least 13 depending on how you count it 14 markets, we're serving electrically. And what's driving that is our customers. We execute well. We share learnings well. Our customers want us to expand in more markets and we do that a number of ways. And mechanically, we can finish on mechanical, we went from serving one data center market in 2019 to six today. And on the Fire Life Safety side, we can serve our customers pretty ubiquitously across the country. Again, understand what I'm saying, it's because our customers are asking us to help serve them better in more markets. So how do we do that? Well, we do that first by leveraging our capabilities and teaching folks that we already have in an existing subsidiary, how to do data center work and meet this most demanding market segment. So yes, the growth is remarkable, but these are some of the most demanding customers in the world. Second, we then combine that with organic…

Brent Thielman

Analyst

Very good. I appreciate all that Tony. And then profitability in Electrical is even better than the last few quarters, which were quite good. Are there any closeouts operational one-timers driving the 14% op margin, Tony? I know, there's always things in any given quarter but...

Jason Nalbandian

Analyst

I think if you look at closeouts, if you look at what we disclosed, I think year-over-year there really isn't a drastic change that's accounting for the margins. I think as we've said, it continues to be driven by mix and execution. But I do think, right, you can never look at one quarter and say, that's an indicator of our margins. I think in this environment, I'd say looking at a 9- to 15-month rolling average is probably a good way to look at it.

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

Yes. And the reason we say that is right, we don't control the timing of these projects. So at any given time, we could have especially our supervision sort of on the bench for us for a month or 1.5 months, as we wait for new projects to start up. It's always important to remember, I always have to recall back to early 2022, we saw the build happening. People were questioning whether this was going to be sustained. We thought yes, we held on to the key supervision. The margins got beat up a little bit in the first quarter of 2022 and here we are today. This is not a quarter-to-quarter business this is a long term -- you think about what we're trying to do here. We're trying to match our precious resources, which is our shop capacity, our VDC capability, our estimating, but most importantly our field supervision and labor on the means and method with what is a long-term capital build cycle across some high-impact sectors. And you can see that in our RPOs those high-impact sectors include data centers and connectivity. They include the aftermarket. They include high-tech manufacturing to include semiconductors. They include traditional manufacturing industrial. They include health care. They include water and wastewater. So we really value our field supervision. And we're taking that precious resource and thinking about how to line it up against those opportunities in the future and that's not a linear path to get there.

Brent Thielman

Analyst

Very good. Maybe just last one. Tony, I appreciate the comments around high-tech manufacturing that your visibility into these projects sort of extend several years. The timing can be episodic I get it. I was actually more curious on the RPO strength in manufacturing and industrial which sort of reflects things I guess outside of high tech. What are the sorts of things you're seeing there? And maybe what contributed to the strength this quarter? I found that uptick interesting.

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

Yes, it's pretty broad-based, but it's the traditional things we've done. Again, it always goes back to those manufacturers drive for efficiency and automation and market expansion coupled with reshoring. And it's traditional things. It's food. It's general consumer goods. It's some effects of auto suppliers into the traditional automotive chain. It's suppliers doing everything from pumps and motors and all those things that support all these other projects we're doing in capacity expansion. So some of it is driven by capacity expansion to meet the more mundane areas of all these growth trends and then some of it's reshoring and the drive for automation. And look all these places you think about what's going on with energy prices. So we talk a lot about office buildings, office buildings, office buildings. But think about what a manufacturing plant uses, we're doing that work there too or they drive for energy efficiency and they get into a multiyear program with us to drive efficiency across their plant network. So that theme of driving down energy costs and reducing carbon footprint. But I will tell you it's led by cost right now because of the spike in energy prices and no one thinks they're going down anytime soon.

Jason Nalbandian

Analyst

Yes. I think the only thing I would add to that, right I agree with everything Tony said, I think the near-shoring reshoring continues to be strong for us, continues to be a driver. If you're looking at RPO sequentially, I will say maybe we saw a little bit more strength in the food process side which Tony mentioned at the onset of this commentary. But just looking sequentially food is definitely a driver.

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

Yeah. Absolutely.

Brent Thielman

Analyst

Excellent. Appreciate it. I'll pass it on.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Adam Thalhimer with Thompson Davis. Please go ahead.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

Hey, good morning, guys. Congrats on another great quarter.

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

Thank you.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

Tony, I wanted to ask about the revenue guidance first. What's kind of your message on the decline there?

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

There's not a decline. We gave you a range of $14.5 billion to $15 billion now that we look at the project timing out of our RPOs we're at $14.5 billion. It always was meant to be a range. Now we're sort of zeroing in on year-end. And with 18.3% year-over-year growth in revenues I think we're doing okay.

Jason Nalbandian

Analyst

Yes. To me I think as Tony said, it's looking at the RPOs that we have come in and the timing of when we expect those projects to kick off, right? There's always a natural lag between when a contract is awarded and when that contract ramps up. And this is just us revising our estimates of when we think those projects are going to ramp. So I don't necessarily view it as a reduction of or a loss of revenues as much as I view it as a timing.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

Okay. So that was my next question. That's perfect. So this was your best sequential backlog growth in two years. And my question is when do those jobs start?

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

Some of them are starting right now. Some will start in the first quarter. Very few things we have in RPOs right now will start much past March. Most of it will start between now and the middle of March.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

And then with backlog growth accelerating and maybe a little push out in project timing, I guess, just curious if you had any high-level thoughts on '25 revenue growth you could share?

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

Well Adam we've been doing this together for a while. No, we'll talk about 2025 in February. But clearly, with the RPO growth we are planning another year of growth right? Jason put together some interesting analysis because this sort of helps frame it for the long-term, right? First of all, we've spent a lot of time on this call already and justifiably so talking about sort of some of these outside growth sectors like data centers and high-tech manufacturing. Even if you strip that out and you look at this year, we're still growing in the underlying more traditional markets 7% revenue growth. And if you look over the last five years, and you say how are you growing versus non-res construction? We're growing about 250 basis points above that of what non-res construction. I typically said, we grow somewhere between 20% to 30% to 35% of non-res in a high-growth market. And in a slower growth market, when it's growing at GDP, we typically double that growth, right? So that's held true over the last five years which has been a very healthy growth market for non-res. So there's no reason for us to believe whatever the expectation for non-res is that we're likely to outperform it over a year period. Quarter-to-quarter you never quite know.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

Great. Okay. Thank you guys.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from Alex Dwyer with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Alex Dwyer

Analyst

Hi, Tony, Jason, and Andy, good morning.

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

Good morning, Alex.

Jason Nalbandian

Analyst

Good morning, Alex.

Andy Backman

Analyst

Good morning, Alex.

Alex Dwyer

Analyst

Congrats on the quarter.

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

Thanks.

Alex Dwyer

Analyst

I guess, I wanted to get your thoughts on what would happen, if there was a change in administration next year? And I guess the things that come to my mind would be the more focus on oil and gas plus on clean energy maybe tariffs and continued focus on domestic manufacturing. I'm not sure how to think about how impactful any of these could be to your business or if I'm missing anything but just any thoughts there would be helpful.

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

Well, I always say so, you'll never hear me make partisan comments publicly and then maybe I'll give you my own thoughts. But the reality is we make money with Democrats and we make money with Republicans. So I think if you go into the broad themes is anybody likely not to want to see more manufacturing reshore into the United States? I think the answer to that is both want that to happen. I think the second thing you say one of the big drivers is semiconductors. Does anybody think that the situation between Taiwan and China is better today than it was when they did the CHIPS Act or even before the land was bought which was like five or seven years ago? Does anybody think that it's better today than it was two years ago? And do you think either the Republican or Democrat in this case either one of them not want to see the domestic chip manufacturing industry flourish? Well, the answer to that is, no. Do you think anybody wants to not see data center construction go and have AI be a real advantage in this country? And do you think that either one of them want to let significant US computing power and where companies want that overseas the answer to that is, no. So some of the big drivers, I think remain intact, because these are major forces driving it that have little to do with public policy, or I think they're more to do with geopolitical things and security. Then you go to the energy situation. I think there is a difference there. I don't think it will be as profound as people think. I personally think that we're going to have to have an all of the above strategy. But…

Alex Dwyer

Analyst

Got it. Appreciate the thoughts Tony. And then I guess just coming back to the high-tech manufacturing RPOs the return to sequential growth in the quarter. How should we think about the ability to keep growing these -- this end market RPO going forward as we think about the initial semi fab awards turning into follow-on awards. I'm just wondering if that could be a headwind?

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

My gut tells me, talking to our folks on the ground and the conversations on the three areas that were most exposed to fabs electrically and mechanically more mechanical than electrical, is the sites we're on somewhere between now and the middle of the third quarter next year, we're likely to get another big award and it might come in pieces. That's likely to happen. And that's going to happen in two of the sites. The planning is well along the way and we're helping with some of the infrastructure planning as they get ready to do that. I think the building side of it is one part of it but then they got to staff it and run it for the long-term. And the people that are doing this have to do both. We don't have to do that. We just have to help them get it up and running and commission that. So, net-net, I think it's a great long-term market for us. I'm glad we have the capabilities we have and I'm glad we continue to invest and build more capabilities into that market.

Alex Dwyer

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And then I guess my last question the cash flows just continue to be super strong this year. I think in the beginning of the year you had given that 100% operating cash flow to net income guide. I think it's just -- it's been well above that for the year-to-date performance. How do we think about that? Was that overly conservative? Or is there something in the cash performance that has just significantly exceeded your expectations? And is that the right way to think about the business as we head to next year?

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

Well, long-term, over three to four years, you can't collect more than net income right? That is the standard, right, 100% of net income. And why are we doing better than that right now. We're getting ahead on some of our contracts. We always focus on this net billings in excess as a major metric for us. And I'm going to let Jason jump in here in more detail. But the point is people say oh you sent bills. No that's not how that works, right? That means the project is going very well. And the schedule values and we've negotiated them to a way that we can keep ahead of cash a little bit or cash neutral on these projects. Sometimes we get prepayments ahead of time, to allow us to mobilize and go on the customer site. That's a negotiation. I will tie it back to a broader point, I'm going to turn it over to Jason, right? Our balance sheet is a major way that we compete, right? We have the capacity to do a lot of things with that balance sheet and we will. We will continue to look through the growth and acquisition. We are not afraid of -- we said that before for the right deal, we would move and go do that. We think that works. But in general, we're never going to be a high leverage company. And the reason for that is, you think of who we're working for. They are all cash focused, cash-rich customers. And when they point to long-term relationship with customers like -- contractors like us and partners, they want people that look like them with that respect. They want to know the job is going to get done. And so we've been able to get favorable contract terms. And that's really what allows us to be a little bit ahead, on cash versus net income. But long term, right, that doesn't work. Jason?

Jason Nalbandian

Analyst

Yes. I think Tony, that's a great summary. I think long term, we will go back to that average that we always look at which is 100% of net income or 80% to 85% of operating income. When we look at this year, yes right now, we're 98% of operating income. I think we'll maintain that level through the end of the year. We'll have another strong cash generation quarter in Q4. But I think over the long term, we have to revert back to that traditional metric.

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

Jason and I had a very wise colleague, that ran our construction business for years. He would say, Tony, you can only collect the cash once. And that's how you get back to cash flow equals net income.

Alex Dwyer

Analyst

Got it. Appreciate the thoughts. Thanks

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Tony Guzzi for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Tony Guzzi

Analyst

Thank you all for your interest in EMCOR. I know that the audience listening is broader than just our sell-side analysts. So, thank you all. And if you're invested in our company, we appreciate that. Again, I want to go back and circle around and thank our field leadership and all of our teammates at EMCOR. It's really been an extraordinary five-year of performance as we continue to grow. And with that, Andy I'll turn the call back over to you.

Andy Backman

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Tony. Thanks, Jason, Maxine and everybody for joining us. Before we close the call as we announced this morning, Tony, Jason and I will be participating in the Baird 2024 Global Industrial Conference in Chicago, including one-on-ones and a webcast fireside chat on Tuesday November 12 at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time. We hope to see many of you there. As always, if you should have any follow-up questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to me directly. Thank you all and have a great day. And Chuck, could you please close the call?

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.