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Encompass Health Corporation (EHC)

Q1 2017 Earnings Call· Fri, Apr 28, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to HealthSouth's First Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, I would like to inform all participants that their lines will be in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer period. [Operator Instructions] You'll be limited to one question and one follow-up question. This conference call is being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time. I will now turn the call over to Doug Coltharp, HealthSouth's Chief Financial Officer.

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Joining me on the call today are Mark Tarr, President and Chief Executive Officer; Barb Jacobsmeyer, Executive Vice President of Operations; April Anthony, CEO of Encompass Home Health and Hospice; Patrick Darby, General Counsel and Corporate Secretary; Andy Price, Chief Accounting Officer; Ed Fay, Treasurer; and Julie Duck, Senior Vice President of Financial Operations. As a reminder, Crissy Carlisle, our Chief Investor Relations Officer is on personal leave for couple of weeks and is not participating in today’s call. We look forward to having Crissy back shortly. Before we begin, if you do not already have a copy, the first quarter earnings release, supplemental information and related Form 8-K filed with the SEC are available on our website, at www.healthsouth.com. On page two of the supplemental information, you will find the Safe Harbor statements, which are also set forth in greater detail on the last page of the earnings release. During the call, we will make forward-looking statements which are subject to risk and uncertainties, many of which are beyond our control. Certain risk, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from management's projections, forecasts, estimates, and expectations are discussed in the company's SEC filings, including the earnings release and related Form 8-K; the Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2016 and the Form 10-Q for the quarter ended March 31, 2017 when filed. We encourage you to read them. You are cautioned not to place undue reliance on the estimates, projections, guidance and other forward-looking information presented. Statements made throughout this presentation are based on current estimates of future events and speak only as of today. The company does not undertake a duty to update these forward-looking statements. Our supplemental information and discussion on this call will include certain non-GAAP financial measures. For such measures, reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP measure is available at the end of the supplemental information, at the end of the related press release, and as part of the Form 8-K filed yesterday with the SEC, all of which are available on our website. Before I turn it over to Mark, I would like to remind everyone that we will adhere to the one question and one follow-up question rule to allow everyone to submit a question. If you have additional questions, please feel free to put yourself back in the queue. With that, I'll turn the call over to Mark.

Mark Tarr

Analyst

Thank you, Doug, and good morning to everyone joining today's call. We were off to a good start in 2017. Inpatient rehabilitation segment volume rebounded in Q1 and remained strong in our Home Health and Hospice segment. These volumes increases combined with growth in revenue per discharge in our IRF segment drove top line growth of 7.1%. Our teams continue to actively communicate the HealthSouth volume preposition to referral sources, patients, caregivers and payers. In the first quarter of 2017, we saw improved conversion rates from referral to admission for managed care payers including Medicare advantage and we continue to see increases in the number of stroke patients sent to our hospitals. We also continue to advance the clinical collaboration efforts between our IRFs and Encompass Home Health locations. The Q1 clinical collaboration rate as shown on page six of the supplemental information accompanying our earnings release was 28.9%, up 630 basis points over Q1 of last year. In February, we launched our TeamWorks initiative to identify, qualify and extrapolate best practices across all overlap markets. In addition, we enhance our use of clinical data analytics to further improve patient outcomes by minimizing preventable readmissions to acute care hospitals. This same focus on clinical collaboration has also resulted in more patients with a discharge path back home versus a skilled nursing facility. These combined efforts between our facility-based and home-based services are assisting in our quality metrics as our discharge of community was 78.5% or 340 basis points better than the UDS expected outcome and our discharge to SNFs was 9.7% or 360 basis points better than the UDS expected outcome. While we made progress with our strategic priorities and our top line growth was good, we did experience margin pressure in both segments. In our IRF segment, this was…

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

Thanks, Mark, and good morning, again, everyone. I will take a few moments to walk through the details of the quarter and elaborate on a number of the concepts that Mark alluded to in his discussion. As Mark just summarized Q1 was a solid start to the year characterized by solid operating performance in both segments. During Q1, consolidated net operating revenues increased by 7.1% and consolidated adjusted EBITDA rose by 4.5%. Diluted earnings per share of $0.70 for Q1 increased by 14.8% over the prior year period benefit from lower interest expense, a lower effective tax rate and reduced share count. As Mark mentioned, we continue to generate high levels of free cash flow. As can be seen on Slide 13 of the supplemental materials, Q1 adjusted free cash of $147.5 million increased by 5.8% over Q1 2016. We extended our track record of utilizing free cash flow to expand the capacity of our two business segments via high quality growth opportunities and complementing these investments and growth with shareholder distributions. As depicted on Slide 17, during Q1 approximately $39 million of free cash flow was deployed to core growth opportunities and approximately $40 million was returned to our shareholders in the form of common stock dividends and share repurchases. As we think about cash flow for the final three quarters of the year, please note that we have revised our estimate for 2017 cash taxes to a range of $95 million to $115 million from the previous estimate of $120 million to $175 million. This revision stems from the approval we received from the IRS for a tax accounting method change related to billings denied under prepayment claims reviews. This is good news and that we are no longer required to pay taxes on revenue that has not…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Sheryl Skolnick of Mizuho.

Mark Tarr

Analyst

Good morning, Sheryl. This is Mark.

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

Good morning, Sheryl.

Sheryl Skolnick

Analyst

Good morning, Mark, and the entire HealthSouth family. And congratulations, this is a good result and a nice first quarter for the year.

Mark Tarr

Analyst

Thank you.

Sheryl Skolnick

Analyst

I do want to – and I know it’s not easy, although you make it look that way. I do was to just focus if I may on home health and try to understand a little bit more of what’s going on with the support and overhead cost here because as I look at your cost of services from that Slide 10, which is extremely helpful, but you managed to keep the expense ratio flat year-over-year for cost of services despite the mix and despite the increase in therapy and therapist cost, but it looks to me more like the support and overhead cost rose as a percent and that seems to have driven more of the operating cost increase. So, is that some – first of all, what’s going on there – help me to understand why we are not talking about that cost increase a little bit more rather than the cost per visit and therapy cost? That’s number one. And number two, is that something that can be addressed to further offset the – what’s clearly margin compression or compression of growth rate due to the pricing change?

Mark Tarr

Analyst

April, would you like to give insight to that?

April Anthony

Analyst

Sure. Sheryl, I don’t think there is anything systemic happening there. I think overall you are seeing the rate pressure cause all of the categories to go up as a percentage when we are seeing that top line rate pressure. Our first quarter does always tend to be a quarter from a support and overhead cost where we make a few core investments, things like our annual leadership happen in that first quarter and as our organization grow that as a total number continues to increase on an annual basis. So I think there is handful of things that are sort of unique to Q1. If you look back over the history that tends to be true. If we generally see that improving margin as we get out away from the Q1 kind of start of the year expenses that hit us, but I don’t there is anything really systemic there. I think that we are beginning to absorb the impact of that rate pressure and create the incremental volume that can help us manage through that and I think that’s really been the focus. We did make some improvements in sales, if you look at our sales expenses up a little bit and that’s because we’ve got to really support that strong revenue growth. I don’t think that’s going to stay at a high-level because those people that have been added to our team in the late fourth quarter and early first quarter, obviously, it takes a little while for a sales person to become a productive resource within the organization. So we see a heavier weight of their cost to the first quarter without the corresponding revenue implication. I think as we move into the second quarter, we are already beginning to see this early year hires being to perform. But I think we will see improvement in that trend throughout the year and I just don’t think there is anything substantive going on in that category that concerns us.

Mark Tarr

Analyst

Sheryl...

Sheryl Skolnick

Analyst

Yeah, but you did answer my questions, just that it begins to abide as a percentage and also because there were some first quarter items. So you can make some progress through the year on that.

April Anthony

Analyst

Absolutely, and if you go back and look at last year you will see the same trend occurring.

Sheryl Skolnick

Analyst

Yeah, okay.

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

And, Sherly, this is Doug, am I point to just a couple of other things in there, one of which is corollary to what April just mentioned and that is for instances we are adding care transition coordinator position to all of our overlap markets, which is an important investment. Some of that investment is ahead of the volume that will eventually flow from the clinical collaboration activities and then the second piece there is that Encompass within its group medical program is seeing a little bit of the trend we experienced in 2015, they hadn’t experienced it then, they are seeing it little bit now. We think we’ve got our arms around that, but there is a higher benefits cost that’s flowing the statement as well.

Sheryl Skolnick

Analyst

Okay. Can I just switch gears from my follow-up question? Can you explain to me on that one slide where you – I think, it was 20, but I’m not sure, where you went through what’s going on with the backlog of payments on denied claims and review of denied claims, so I must have misunderstood something from your press release. Exactly what where you referring to that seems to have eased versus what’s still a problem?

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

So, we basically have two components to our bad debt expense. We have the normal regular way aging based reserve where for whatever reason we see a slowdown in AR collections, overtime we begin to reserve a percentage of that based on the perception of uncollectability and then we have prepayment claims denials where instead the reserve is established based on our historical track record for moving those through the adjudication process and getting to favorable resolution. Last year we saw an uptick in AR that was specifically related to an increase in the aging based reserve and the specific cost for that was an administrative payment delay at Cahaba, it had to do with staffing issues, it had to do with some software upgrades and so forth. It took longer than it should have, but that eventually got resolved and when it did get resolved we were able to take down that reserve. The activity on the second piece, the prepayment claims denials as can be seen in the chart on the right hand side of Slide 20 has been relatively consistent with that exhibited over the course of the last four quarters or so.

Sheryl Skolnick

Analyst

Okay. Now I’ve got it. Now I recall what was going on there. Thank you very much. I appreciate that Excellent.

Mark Tarr

Analyst

Thanks, Sheryl.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Gary Lieberman of Wells Fargo.

Gary Lieberman

Analyst

Good morning, guys.

Mark Tarr

Analyst

Good morning, Gary.

Gary Lieberman

Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Maybe just a follow-up on that last comment Cahaba, can you give us any more detail on any conversations you’ve had over last quarter with Cahaba or with CMS and maybe your thoughts on if the new administration will approach any differently than the prior?

Mark Tarr

Analyst

Hi, Gary. It’s Mark. So, we continue to have dialogues with Cahaba and actually they’ve been very open to discussions, it’s – we last had our meeting, I think, about a month ago now. It’s still early on with Dr. Price’s influence and his new role within the administration. So they didn’t – weren’t able to provide any additional insights, but we do continue to have dialogue, we have discussions, it’s positive in nature in terms of expressing our thoughts and in terms of how we view things, but we’ve not seen a lot of moment one way or the other in terms of improvement in situation.

Gary Lieberman

Analyst

Okay. And then maybe, Doug, just going back to your comments on the increase in the collaboration rate being a step function, can you just provide some more detail around why it is a step function and not more of kind of a linear increase?

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

Yeah, I think, if you look back, we’ve essentially already gone through two ways with regard to the implementation of our clinical collaboration practices and protocols. You may recall that we really didn’t launch at all until the second quarter – late in the second quarter, really the end of the second quarter in 2015 and that is because as the partnership between Encompass and HealthSouth was formed even recognizing the opportunity, we’ve first had to make sure that anything that we were going to be doing with regard to approaching referral sources and patients about clinical collaboration had to vetted by legal and compliance and then we also had to put together at least a baseline of standardized practices for our associates to follow. We took first six months following the formation of the partnership to form those and then began rolling those out. Those were what I would call a real base line practice. Over the course of the next year or so, we develop some additional learnings, we got more comfortable with what was working and what was not working and in an informal way, we began to rollout best practices. It was also during that time that we were able to increase the clinical collaboration rate based on two important staffing components that I’ve mentioned before. The first is we identified that one of the keys to success was to take the role of care transition coordinator that Encompass has historically used effectively with other referral sources and to get one in each overlap market specifically dedicated to one our IRFs. It has take time to go out and recruit and train and have those folks put in place and form relationships with our hospital CEOs, but as they have been doing that, we’ve seen the…

Mark Tarr

Analyst

Gary, it’ Mark. As Doug said, we are very positive on the outlook, so TeamWorks and its ability to continue to increase the collaboration rate. We had a change to be out in Dallas last week and address the entire group that’s participating as part of this TeamWorks initiative with our subject matter experts along with the KPMG [ph] helping us from a process standpoint and they had the enthusiasm in that room and the willingness and eagerness to work together in a collaborative manner between both the IRF staff and the home health staff was very, very encouraging.

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

And Gary, please don’t interpret any of comments as either walking back our stated goal of getting to a 35% to 45% collaboration in the near-term or as any diminished enthusiasm about the importance and the effectiveness of the partnership between our IRF and home health business segments.

Gary Lieberman

Analyst

Got it. That’s very helpful. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Kevin Ellich of Craig-Hallum.

Mark Tarr

Analyst

Good morning, Kevin.

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

Good morning, Kevin.

Kevin Ellich

Analyst

Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Kind of just following up on Gary’s question with the collaboration, a lot of very good information and I see the target is going to be 35% to 40% over the next few years. I guess it makes a lot of sense with the discharges. Have you guys ever quantified what the revenue and EBITDA impact could be as you get to 35% to 40%?

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

We have and I think the pieces are out there for really anyone to do that because some of it, we don’t put that out there because it would be a financial projects, all right. But you can look for instance of the fact that and what we’ve stated is in general each one of the patients that comes out of a – one of our IRFs and goes into home health requires about 1.2 episodes of home healthcare and those episodes generate about $3,100 to $3,200 in revenue per episode and then as I just mentioned some in my remarks, they have a slightly higher cost per visit than standard nursing services, so a little bit of a lower gross margin, but it’s a pretty profitable patient.

Kevin Ellich

Analyst

Gotcha and understood that with therapy. And then the only other question I had was, what sort of impact do you expect from Easter holiday or do you expect one this year?

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

We’re more folks in terms on the year-over-year comparison. We are a little bit more focused for Q1 on the impact of leap year. Having said that, the shift in the Easter holiday does make a difference. The movement of a holiday like Easter is a lot more difficult to quantify, so we are not making any excuses regarding Q2 volume based on the shift in Easter.

Kevin Ellich

Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of A. J. Rice of UBS.

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

Good morning, A.J.

Mark Tarr

Analyst

Good morning, A.J.

A. J. Rice

Analyst

Hey, how are guys? A couple of question to follow-up I guess. On the payor mix trends, I see that both in the IRF and the Home Health side, MA continues to be up 90 basis points in IRF, 160 basis points in Home Health, and then you also manage care generally higher and Medicaid on the Home Health side at least under pressure. Can you drilldown what’s driving those changes and do you see those continuing shift the payor mix?

Mark Tarr

Analyst

Yes, we would continue to see payor mix shift especially on the IRF side. Medicare advantage has been growing a little bit faster rate than most of the other segments. It currently is about 9% of our total case. It grew about 10% in Q1, so we would continue to see Medicare advantage. One comment on Medicare advantage growth is that we’ve been successful in having more and more of our contracts now rather than be linked to a per diem there linked to the CMG. So that’s a trend that we’ve seen in the last several years and we continue to see that make progress. We’ve also seen as Doug pointed out, we’ve seen a larger increase in our stroke mix in terms of the conversion rate when we get a stroke patient that’s covered with Medicare advantage plan. Referred to our hospital, we are seeing more and more success in getting them converted to an admission. So those are all factors impacting that payor mix.

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

And A.J., to elaborate on Mark’s comments, in each of the last five years, we have seen the percentage of Medicare advantage contracts that are paid on a case rate versus a per diem basis increase and its now approximately 55% of our MA contracts are paid on a case rate basis. It’s also the case that over each of the last five years, we’ve seen the delta between the Medicare advantage payment and Medicare fee per service rates decrease. And in the most recent quarter, we are at about a 14% gap between them. If you roll the clock back five years, we were close to the 25%.

A. J. Rice

Analyst

Okay, interesting. Maybe just quickly on the labor front, you commented on that in your prepared remarks, but it’s interesting in the comments about some of the pressures you felt, you didn’t say anything about just absolute rate increases. Are those remaining pretty steady and maybe I’ve missed this from previous comments but your comment about increased staffing around new reporting requirements maybe I should know that but what is that referring to?

Mark Tarr

Analyst

A.J., I’m going to ask Barb Jacobsmeyer to comment on that.

Barb Jacobsmeyer

Analyst

So two things, on the salary pressures, we are not feeling that enterprise wide. We do have particular markets that are more challenging than others and we’re addressing those as needed. To the comment on the regulatory, there was added information that needed to be put into our IRF pie which is a document that submitted with each of our claims. That required additional information that the clinicians needed to be able to pull, so we needed to add some of the clinical staff to be able to handle that. We’ve estimated about 40 minutes per claim has been needed for additional staffing for that.

Mark Tarr

Analyst

A.J., the additional information was tied to the care tool implementation and as Barb said, that affected all the information that submitted particularly from a therapy standpoint on everyone of our patient. So that had an impact about 40 minutes per patient so that adds up.

A. J. Rice

Analyst

Okay, thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Josh Raskin of Barclays.

Mark Tarr

Analyst

Hi, Josh.

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

Hi, Josh.

Josh Raskin

Analyst

Hi, good morning guys. Just on the IRF update, the Medicare IRF update and macro sort of superseding the normal process with a 1% increase. I guess two questions on it, one, how are you guys thinking about next year and offsetting little bit of that pressure. And then as we think about 2019, I can’t find in macro, is there a potential give back or some sort of catch up in 2019 to make up for that, the wage component catch up or how does that work in the next year? Do you guys know?

Mark Tarr

Analyst

Josh, I’m not aware of any makeup or any catch up out there in 2019. Relative to the update that was rolled out late last night or yesterday afternoon, we’re still doing our research and homework on the numbers to see the impact. The 1% at least on the first blood, it does seem to be in line with what our expectations were and it’s what we had in our outlook slides, our business outlook slide so that seem to be in line.

Josh Raskin

Analyst

Okay, all right, that’s fine. And then just on the staffing levels, the Reliant hospitals and I appreciate the answer to A.J.’s question but are you guys now at target staffing levels at the Reliant hospitals? And then I guess on a related note, is there any wage pressure in hiring those clinicians or is this just simply we needed more body?

Mark Tarr

Analyst

We are now at our staffing metrics at the Reliant hospitals and have been now for a quarter or two. A year ago, we were still ramping up, so that’s why you’re seeing the increase year-over-year but we are there now. And so relative to labor salary increases, majority of those staff that were hired were therapist and somewhat additional nurse as well in some of those hospitals. But that’s all has been factored into what we put in terms of our 3% expected increase this year in salaries.

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

We did have to do some salary adjustments to the Reliant staff that were remaining with us after the acquisition, but virtually all of that took place in the first half of last year. So we are already anniversarying that component, Josh.

Josh Raskin

Analyst

Okay, all right, so it’s just bodies it sounds like.

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

It is.

Mark Tarr

Analyst

That’s right.

Josh Raskin

Analyst

Okay, perfect. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Kevin Fischbeck of Bank of America.

Mark Tarr

Analyst

Morning, Kevin.

Kevin Fischbeck

Analyst

Morning. So just on that labor question, if you didn’t have these kind of discrete items, what would labor cost have been on the IRF side?

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

I think it accounted for most of the 80 basis point increase. When we looked at the – what drove the year-over-year change in SWB, it was almost specifically FDE related because the pricing increase for the IRF segment was really sufficient to offset the increase in SWB in terms of the merit increase and other increases there.

Kevin Fischbeck

Analyst

Okay, so you would have kept it flat year-over-year if not?

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

Slight to maybe some modest leverage on top of that.

Kevin Fischbeck

Analyst

Okay, so you [indiscernible] leverage, so I guess what you think about next year’s rates about being a little bit less than this year’s rate labor costs, you would still expect it to be at least flattish, is that the way to think about it?

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

Well, there are a lot of ifs in there. We would hope so but it really going to depend on whether or not there are any additional regulatory requirements on us but it’s certainly the case that our response and this applies to both business segments to the rapidly changing environment in healthcare has been to invest in the business and invest in the business in a manner that we think is producing higher quality outcomes for our patients and underscoring our value proposition and also preparing us better to serve effectively as a partner with payors and acute care systems in episodic payment models. There is going to come off time when pricing normalizes for both business segments. Right now, it looks like that’s more 2019 and 2018 and there is also going to be a time when the investments that we’ve made in the business lead to productivity gains.

Kevin Fischbeck

Analyst

Okay, that’s helpful. Just the second question then, anything in the nursing home last night that you thought might be good for your business because I guess they’re going to change the way that they pay for therapy in 2019. Does that potentially keep more people into IRF or push people more quickly into Home Health. Is there any impact from that in your mind?

Mark Tarr

Analyst

Kevin, we’ve not had a chance to get – to dig into the SNF update. We certainly spent the majority of our time trying to address the IRF rule that it came out late in the yesterday. So can’t really comment on any impact positive or negative from the SNF update.

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

We do believe that the trend of disintermediation that the SNFs have been experiencing is going to continue and we know it’s our own efforts on Home Health that we’re being effective and contributing to that disintermediation.

Kevin Fischbeck

Analyst

Okay, thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Whit Mayo of Robert Baird.

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

Morning, Whit.

Mark Tarr

Analyst

Morning, Whit.

Whit Mayo

Analyst

Hey, thanks. Just maybe a couple random ones. Can you just remind us where you are on some of your IT investments? I think you’ve called it ACE IT or something and maybe how many installs you’ve made at this point, how many more forthcoming and are you seeing any noticeable benefit from these investments on ADRs or anything? Or just any broader update on where you are on in the benefit would be helpful. Thanks.

Mark Tarr

Analyst

So we are now well over 100 hospitals of full permutation for ACE IT. This year 2017 will be the final year of the initial roll out. We will have all of our hospitals have it implemented by the end of the fourth quarter. We do have two hospitals in Puerto Rico that will have it installed in Q1 or at least the first half of next year. Relative to overall documentation or impact on ADRs, we anecdotally have gotten positive feedback in terms of the quality of our documentation that is tied to ACE IT and our ability to ensure that we have complete documented items complete with the signatures and dates and other areas of aspect that are reviewed from a documentation standpoint. We think longer term, it will absolutely help us on the ADR front. We think it also helps us in our ability to position ourselves from episodic standpoint with eight teams going forward.

Whit Mayo

Analyst

Got it. Nudging physician satisfaction and recruiting has been helpful too.

Mark Tarr

Analyst

It does.

Whit Mayo

Analyst

Yes. And maybe my second question for Doug is, the lease accounting changes that you’ve referenced. I mean you’ve seen some of the stuff we’ve published on it and you and I have discussed this in some detail, but I’m just maybe curious how you think it really differentiates HealthSouth versus the peer group and really curious how your conversations with the banks are going and how the banks will actually treat this accounting change going forward? Thanks.

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

So first we like our position. We’ve always liked our position with regard to real estate ownership because of the flexibility it gives us in managing our portfolio of hospitals and also because of the protection it gives us in a typical rate environment against the increases in your occupancy expense that can reside in a lease arrangement. At its core, a lease is a highly inflexible non-prepayable debt obligation with an escalating interest rate, really sounds pretty attractive. So the fact that two-thirds of our real estate is owned is a real advantage. And when that comes on to the balance sheet when the disclosures related to that are made, I think as the saying goes when the tide goes out we’re going to find out who is swimming naked. In terms of the reaction from the banks, I really can’t comment on that. I know it’s not a factor for us in our discussions with the banks because of the position that we hold. My guess is if we get into an environment where the debt markets aren’t nearly as liquid as they have been over the last several years and that will come because they cycle through. It’s those kinds of factors they’re going to lead to a differentiation in borrowing rates and availability of funds.

Whit Mayo

Analyst

Okay, thanks. Appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

At this time, there are no further questions. I will now turn the call to Doug Coltharp for any additional or closing remarks.

Doug Coltharp

Analyst

Thank you. If anyone does have additional questions, please send them to Travis Wilson of our Investor Relations department at travis.wilson@ healthsouth.com. We ask for a little bit of your latitude and patience in Crissy’s absence to work with us. We want to be responsive to all of your questions. The protocol that we have put in place is that Travis will work with me and other members of our Executive Management Team to respond to your question via phone or email as quickly as possible but initially he is going to just gather your questions up and then consult with us. So thank you again for your time and attention today and for joining today’s call.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for participating in HealthSouth first quarter 2017 earnings conference call. You may now disconnect.