Luiz Carvalho
Analyst · UBS
Felipe and Maria, I basically have 3 questions if I may here. First one, you mentioned about the long-term approach for Ecopetrol and so on. And the company has close to seven years of reserve life and from many years has been able to actually to keep this level from several -- I don't know, several actions that have been performed. But it's a little level when you compare to your main -- how can I say it, your peers. So I would like to understand it a bit better, how can we expect return on investments in order to try to increased the reserve life. And how comfortable you are with the current reserve life of the company looking out, say, to the next five years? And what could be done in order to accelerate the increase of the reserve life, that's the first one. The second, it's basically, how can I say, kind of a point where we discussed it a while ago on the potential sale of the [indiscernible] year the government stake, which was approved by the congress already, if I'm not wrong, by 80%. I mean the stock has been performing quite well at the back of the [indiscernible] and also all the actions that you were able to command. How do you see that as the CEO of the company, of the momentum of the government potentially -- how can say, perform in order to potentially even capitalize the company to go after some opportunities?
Felipe Bayón: Luis, so the first question in terms of reserves. And I think it's important to sit back for a minute. So on 1/1/17, we had 6.8 years of reserves, this is combined oil and gas. At the end of 2017, so that's December 31, we had 7.1 years. So actually we replaced each and every single barrel that we produced and we added 26% more to our reserves. So I think that's good news. Please bear in mind that during '15 and '16, if you look at those 2 years combined, we did not replace our service. So I think it's important that we can see a change in the downward trend of reserves that we had seen over the last 2 or 3 years. So '17 I think was a good year in that sense, again if we hadn't done anything, we would have been up 5.8 years right now, we're up 7.1. Fully agree with you, it's not good, and it's clearly on the lower end of the range when we compare ourselves with some of our peers. I think in terms of our view of the future, we're comfortable with the level of investment that we doing, we're very comfortable with the fact that through our organic activities, and that's the primary recovery and infill drilling. We have had some very good cases if you look at CPO-9 and [indiscernible] and some other things, we're actually developing those fields that were discoveries in the not too distant future, so that's good. We're comfortable with some of the secondary and tertiary recovery pilots that we've now expanded particularly Chichimene is working very well, Castilla as well. So a combination of primary development, secondary development I think gives us optionality in terms of how we can actually respond to ensuring that through organic activity, we can maintain our basis for reserves. In addition to that, we do acknowledge it's not going to be enough. And that's why I think the fact that we currently have COP 16.6 billion -- or COP 16.6 trillion in cash, gives us the ability to actually not only support everything that we're doing in terms of investment, but continue to look at inorganic opportunities. So again that is something that we will continue to look at. There is another 2 things that we worked on. So it's recovery factors and sort of primary development, important, inorganic activity, very, very, very important. The unconventionals is something that we do think the country and in particular Ecopetrol have a very good opportunity-set going forward. It's still going to take some time. There is apprehension in terms of potential impacts of all the development of unconventionals. So were taking that 1 step at a time, but we're making some progress. And again long-term, we're committed with exploration. You saw in the report that last year we had some very, very good news in terms of the offshore, we're pushing some of those things into ensuring that we can have an appropriate appraise on development but we're focusing also on the onshore. So it's a combination of things. We want to make sure that we don't lose our focus and discipline, particularly, around these capital. So there may be opportunities. We'll need to make sure that those are a good fit in terms of the strategy and that we remain very disciplined. In terms of your second question, and currently government holds 88.5% of the company. And actually many, many years ago, Congress approved for this level to go all the way down from 88.5% to 80%. And this is a decision that the owners, the government will take in due course. We're comfortable with the current sort of ownership of the company. And I want to expand on that a bit. You know that from the context of Columbia trying to go into the OECD, there's been a lot of work around corporate governance and that starts with for our case the Board of Ecopetrol. 3 years ago, we had 3 Minister Cabinet or Minister-level members on the Board, they've left, Minister Cárdenas of finance left earlier this year before the AGM in March. So we have 9 members most of them independent, that are not ministerial level officials of the government. So I think that's very good. And if you step back and look at '15 when we had a loss and the government actually had no distribution in terms of dividends, that I think demonstrates that the government is committed on the long-term sustainability, and good health of the company. So we're comfortable with the current level and again it's a decision that the owners may or may not decide to take as some stage in the future.