Mark Tecotzky
Analyst · JMP Securities.
It's a great question. It's a great question. We actually just got the new -- get these monthly prepayment reports, fifth business day of the month, so we got the prepayment report last night, and it showed a very modest up-tick, maybe 10% from extremely low-levels. So I think about it two ways. There's some very small portion of the mortgage market, where people have note rates, 7.5%, 7.25% bigger loans. We think those borrowers are going to be very responsive to refinance opportunities if the forward curve is borne out, and you see mortgage rates drop. And you have still -- there's been, layoffs industry-wide on mortgage originators, but you still have excess capacity. So if you saw 20, 30, 40 basis point drop in mortgage rates, you're going to see that very small portion of the market that has high note rates. So, people that took note rates Q4 last year those are going to be responsive. And this actual -- this recent prepayment report yesterday, you saw a little bit of that behavior, because this prepayment report referenced mortgage rates a little bit lower than where we are now. But now, if you think of it the market in aggregate, to get a real prepayment wave you need to get big portions of the market re-financeable. And I don't think you see that, until you get well below 5%. Even you move things 75, 100 basis points here the percentage of loans that have a refinance incentive is very low. The first thing I think you'd see is that, if you got mortgage rates, let's say, to 5.25%, and all of a sudden, people with four, 4.5, 4.75 note rates, they're going to be more willing to do cash out refinance. So -- so that can happen. That would be sort of incremental. But to get a real -- a big portion of the market re-financeable with straight rate refis, you're going to have to be well under 5%. But I think you'll see, sort of you have little pockets of faster speeds along the way. And if you hold those pools, you can get hurt on those pools, but it doesn't change the supply demand dynamic for mortgages until you get significantly lower rates.