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Dyne Therapeutics, Inc. (DYN)

Q2 2012 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 3, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Hello and welcome to the Dynegy Incorporated Second Quarter 2012 Results Teleconference. At the request of Dynegy, this conference is being recorded for instant replay purposes. [Operator Instructions] I'd now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Laura Hrehor, Senior Director, Investor Relations. Ma'am, you may begin.

Laura Hrehor

Analyst

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Dynegy's Investor Conference Call and Webcast covering the company's second quarter 2012 results. As is our customary practice, before we begin this morning, I would like to remind you that all our call will include statements reflecting assumptions, expectations, projections, intentions or beliefs about future events and views of market dynamics. These and other statements not relating strictly to historical or current facts are intended as forward-looking statements. Actual results though may vary materially from those expressed or implied in any forward-looking statements. For a description of the factors that may cause such a variance, I would direct you to the forward-looking statements legend contained in today's news release and in our SEC filings, which are available free of charge through our website at dynegy.com. With that, I will now turn it over to our President and CEO, Bob Flexon.

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

Thank you, Laura. Good morning and thank you for joining us on today's call. Here with me this morning are several members of Dynegy's management team including Kevin Howell, our Chief Operating Officer; Clint Freeland, our Chief Financial Officer; and our General Counsel, Catherine Callaway. For this morning's call, our agenda is highlighted on Slide 3. I'll begin with our operational and financial performance highlights of the Gas and Coal segments for the second quarter of 2012, as well as our year-to-date financial performance. I will also review what I hope to be the final stages of our restructuring activities as we draw closer to emerging from the Chapter 11 process. Finally, in response to frequent questions on how Dynegy's value at emergence should be viewed, I'll provide additional data that should aid investors in making their own proprietary view on the value. Kevin will follow with a review of our operating performance for the quarter and describe the commercial and market factors affecting the Coal and Gas portfolio including 2013 commodity price trend. Following that, we'll discuss the dynamics and influences impacting power closed across the grid and how that affects our commercial strategies and actions. Clint will provide our second quarter 2012 financial results and highlight both legacy and current activities impacting performance for the Coal, Gas and DNE segments. Also to be covered is the second quarter 2012's cash flows and liquidity. I'll close out the prepared remarks by emphasizing our go-forward priorities and with the remaining time, we'll open up for discussion and the Q&A session with the management team Slide 4 shows the second quarter marked another period of significantly increased generation. Due to the increased spark spreads at our combined cycle locations. Generation in the GasCo segment increased 80% period-over-period. Coal-based generation was down…

Kevin Howell

Analyst

Thanks, Bob. Please, turn to Slide 11 for a review of our operational highlights. As Bob indicated earlier in the call, our total generation volumes were up 12% period-over-period, primarily due to our combined cycle units experiencing improved spark spreads. At Independence and Moss Landing on-peak sparks spread improved an average of $6 period-over-period, while sparks spread improved $10 at Kendall. This translated into an 80% increase in volumes for the gas segment period-over-period. Dynegy swing out of season in 2012 had more planned out that is scheduled for the Coal segment than the second quarter of 2011, which resulted in lower volumes for the quarter. Midwest off-peak prices for the second quarter 2012 averaged around $24, which was $4 lower than the previous period. This also contributed lower coal generation volumes for the quarter. Both segments performed well, with combined end market availability of over 95% during the quarter. The Coal segment's equivalent availability factor decreased due to the planned outages during the quarter. The Gas segments showed an improved EAF for the quarter as EAF for the second quarter of 2011, includes a planned outage at Moss Landing. Safety continues to be an area of top priority for all Dynegy employees, as well as the management team. While we are still short of our safety goals for the year, there are several positives occurring in the fleet. Baldwin, Havana, Hennepin, Casco Bay, Ontelaunee and Danskammer, Roseton have not had a site employee loss time or recordable incident in 2012. In addition, Hennepin, Casco Bay, Ontelaunee, Kendall, Morro Bay, and Danskammer Roseton have not experienced any contract or loss time or recordable incidence in 2012. We intend to build off all these areas of excellent results as we focus on improving our overall safety results and returning the fleet…

Clint Freeland

Analyst

Thank you, Kevin. As you can see on Slide 16, the companies adjusted EBITDA was down significantly compared to last year. With the Coal and Gas segments together, totaling $10 million in adjusted EBITDA, down from $112 million last year. As we discussed on previous calls, we expect the company's 2012 financial results to be meaningfully impacted by legacy commercial activity and we began to see that in the second quarter. In particular, negative settlements related to legacy optimizations and year-over-year decline in options premium income accounted for nearly 2/3 of the quarter-over-quarter decline in adjusted EBITDA. Of the $102 million difference, in aggregate Coal and Gas segments of adjusted EBITDA, $65 million was related to these 2 items with $23 million due to the settlement of legacy option positions and $42 million due to lower option premium income. The remaining $37 million decline in adjusted EBITDA for the period, resulted primarily from weaker prices in MISO and lower Coal segment generation volumes primarily as a result of 2 significant outages during the quarter. Year-to-date, the Coal and Gas segments generated a combined $48 million in adjusted EBITDA compared to the $204 million in 2011. Much like the second quarter, results were significantly impacted by legacy option settlements and reduced option premium income as these 2 items accounted for $71 million or 45% of the year-over-year change. The remaining $85 million reduction in adjusted EBITDA year-to-date was driven primarily by lower generation and realized prices at the Coal segment. Dynegy Northeast results for the second quarter improved by $6 million compared to last year, as lower market prices and run times were offset by the absence of operating lease costs and lower G&A expenses. Year-to-date, adjusted EBITDA in DNE, fell by $4 million as lower power prices and a 61%…

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

Thanks Clint. Finally, on Slide 23 is an update of our 2012 strategic focus areas. While very good progress is being made on the majority of fronts, we're determined to improve our safety performance to better understand the changing dynamics in the markets in which we operate and translate all of these areas into achieving the financial targets we have set for ourselves. In preparation for our anticipated emergence by the end of the quarter, we'll continue to strengthen operations, execute well and solidify the foundation which can serve as the growth platform for the future. At this time, I'd like to open the lines for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We do have one question, sir. Umesh Mahajan with Bank of America.

Umesh Mahajan

Analyst

So on Page 8 of the presentation, where you talked about the new contract for rail lease. So you talked about the $300 million and you also mentioned that the rail car lease rates are slightly up in 2012 and '13. So how does the -- is the $300 primarily coming from the commodity costs side and are those costs already locked in? Or that's the expectations we have at this point?

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

There is a mixed bag there and I would say that there's a reason that I combined all of those elements together. Under the new agreements we have, we have pretty tight nondisclosure requirements, so I bundled it all together. But I will say around the Coal commodity piece, as I mentioned in the comments, when we did the Disclosure Statement, we had a higher price in there for Coal and that was largely driven by anticipation of cash per coming in and how that affects the pricing under the Coal contracts. When I looked at where we are in terms of hedging our coal position, particularly on price, I think it was on Page 29 of the presentation where I think, we say we've got about 53% of our coal that's priced, another 32% that's subject to a price collar that we're in that pricing period now. Beyond 2013 though, the Coal is -- from a price standpoint, is open. So when I think about the number, certainly, 2012 is going to add -- have extra cost but I would expect '13, '14 and '15 to be higher than the Disclosure Statement. Certainly, '13 is being driven mostly by the Coal commodity and '14 and 15, it's a combination of both, rail and Coal.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

Well, Pat, if there's no other questions at this time I'll ... [Technical Difficulty]

Operator

Operator

Yes, and we do have a couple of more questions, sir, that have come in. And our next question is coming from Grab Babar [ph] with Nomura.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst

I just want 2 quick clarifications mostly. With regards to the Gas segment, if we were to look on it on Page 19, without the impacts of option premium and legacy put options, the year-over-year comparisons would just be down $3 million from the spark spread hedges and the price impact --I just want to kind of verify that I'm reading it the right way?

Clint Freeland

Analyst

That's correct. The only other adjustment would be the adjustment for the Sithe amortization which I think in previous has treated as an expense. But since it's noncash, beginning this year, we began to adjust that out. But you are correct. Year-over-year if you remove those 2 items, you would end up at that adjusted EBITDA.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And that's at the capacity factors that we're reported. But the other question I just wanted to ask is with regards to cash collaterals that comes back, is there a credit agreement requirement for that cash that comes back for the credit -- for the loan amounts to be paid down? Or did that just stay within densities?

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

[indiscernible] The cash collateral comes down. It does not have to be repaid. We have to keep a certain amount of cash collateral or cash behind it over a certain tract threshold. We have the option to put that cash back up to $350 million between GasCo and CoalCo but we don't have an obligation to do so.

Clint Freeland

Analyst

That's right. Under our credit agreements, we've agreed to set amount of collateral outstanding, either with third parties or in the collateral account. So to the extent that our outstanding collateral with third parties is below that target level, we have to put money into that collateral account. Bud like Bob said, there's no obligation to turn that money back to the lenders. We have that option, but not the obligation.

Operator

Operator

Harlan Cherniak with Venor Capital.

Harlan Cherniak

Analyst

A couple of quick questions. I think it's in the press release, can you clarify the total amount of restructuring fees [Indiscernible] in the G&A line item for the quarter? I think it was $51 million, right?

Clint Freeland

Analyst

I believe it is -- I believe it was $69 million in cash, but in the G&A line, I think it's about $57 million to $58 million.

Harlan Cherniak

Analyst

And you talked about the -- I think it was Wood River or Hennepin outages in the quarter that [indiscernible]

Clint Freeland

Analyst

They were at Havana.

Harlan Cherniak

Analyst

Sorry, that's coupled with what's transpired in the commodity price environment contribute to significant amount of volume declines, can you bifurcate the 2 and break it out between how much of it was attributable to the outage versus how much of it was attributable to the volume?

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

I think at the top of my head, Harlan, I think that the -- certainly, the greater number was around the outages. And I thought it's certainly is more than half. I'm not sure if as high as 3 quarters but somewhere between 50% and 75% deals with -- because of outages.

Kevin Howell

Analyst

I think if you adjust it for the difference in outages, you're only off about 5% on capacity factor across the fleet, which I would attribute back to the market.

Harlan Cherniak

Analyst

Okay, and with those -- I guess what I'm trying to get to is if you look what adjusted EBITDA would be if -- looking at the portfolio on an open EBITDA basis with the mark-to-market losses, the restructuring charges, the impact on G&A from the bankruptcy and some of the outages, which I know some of them occur in the second quarter and it's obviously a significant part of the business, but I'm trying to get to a more clean EBITDA number in terms of how to think about this going forward.

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

The way I think about it, Harlan, is we even the put up the slide for year-to-date on Page 38 that tried to strip the put options out and the option premium and the like. So you see an Page 38, you have year-to-date adjusted EBITDA that would be in the $72 million to $77 million range versus the reported, which is $48 million.

Harlan Cherniak

Analyst

And did that -- does that exclude the actual G&A expense that we just talked about?

Clint Freeland

Analyst

It does exclude things like restructuring expenses and kind of one-time items running-through the income statement. So what's reflected in the adjusted EBITDA numbers should be more of a recurring G&A type of number.

Harlan Cherniak

Analyst

Okay. And on the NOLs, can you put a little bit more color behind the potential benefit from the tax attributes once the company emerges from bankruptcy? That was on Slide #8.

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

Yes. The existing NOLs, we would expect to be totally utilized as we emerge and even if they weren't, they're going to be severely limited because of a change in control for tax purposes that happened back in May. But as we go through, our tax planning and take a look there for the DI's, investment in DH, the stock investments as we emerge, we'll be able to get a worthless stock tax deduction and we're working-through the calculation on how much that is. But we expect it to exceed and possibly even significantly exceed the $1.5 billion of NOLs that we have coming into this year. So we're going through the final math round, and I think we feel confident that, that deduction is available, we're just going to the final calculations of the math on the outside basis calculations and the like that need to be done and we're probably about a month or so away from finalizing the math. But from order magnitude, we expect it to be more than -- more NOL than what we currently have and what we would utilize on emergence.

Harlan Cherniak

Analyst

Got you. And then one other quick question, I'll just get back in the queue. On the rail transportation contract, that's pretty impressive and heroic outcome here. Can you put a little bit of color? I mean, obviously, in the front, 2012, 2013, it will be slightly higher than the Disclosure Statement and it will be a lot lower going forward, which is pretty impressive. Can you put some color on how we should think about delivered PRB dollars from MBTu, or a dollar per ton basis on the Coal and the rail side, if possible?

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

You mean as we go forward?

Harlan Cherniak

Analyst

Yes. Ballpark.

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

Yes. I mean, I think the kind of way that, I mean, I can do it through the pictures in the slide on Page 34. In the appendix, we have the dispatch cost and kind of showed where we were today, which we're about $16.50 a day and then we have ton at the general PRB at market. We expect as we go through in pricing of our -- the Coal commodity and the new rail agreements and the like, that we believe will be underneath the market on that, when you wrap it all together. So you see the second bar down on that Page that shows a number in the 20s. We believe that we'll exceed that, where you see the favorable side, obviously.

Operator

Operator

Julien Dumoulin-Smith with UBS.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

So first question, with regards to Casco Bay, I would be very curious, any kind of strategic updates, thoughts around kind of getting around assimilation [ph]?

Kevin Howell

Analyst

Well I think there's a couple of things going on in Casco. First, I'll maybe take you back to the inception of that project when the Maritimes & Northeast Pipeline that feeds that was built. That pipeline was built to bring down the Sable Island production that Mogul had up there in the mid-'90s. That's Sable Island project has declined significantly over the years and Maritimes is largely dependent now on the Repsol LNG project up in Canada, so with the pricing the weight in North America, there's not a lot LNG deliveries coming in right now, so left the pipeline, kind of scarce on gas. There is a field of their call Deep Panouck [ph], that's scheduled to come online over the balance of this year, which we think will improve the situation in the near-term. But I think longer term, the real issue will be the explosion of some of the production through the shales up in the Northeast is I think a high likelihood that within the next 3 to 4 years, you may seen Maritimes actually switch directions and start flowing south to north rather than north to south.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

All right, great. And then maybe secondly, kind of following up on the last question on delivery coal pricing. What would the year-on-year step up be by year, maybe if you can give us a sense for the staircase, if you will, for delivered PRB pricing? [indiscernible] Is there a back way door to get to it?

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

You're talking about just totally delivered costs by year?

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Yes. Or year-on-year changes, whatever might be callable.

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

I mean, versus the Disclosure Statement, Julien, I'm just struggling a little bit to come up with the best way to answer it. I mean, as we look at the Disclosure Statement, when we look at that $300 million improvement, solely the vast majority of that is in '14 and '15 particularly since '12 is negative. But in terms of just getting a little more granular year-by-year, I struggle how to do that without crossing the line that I don't want to cross. I don't know if -- Kevin, if you can find other comment for Julien or...

Kevin Howell

Analyst

No, and again, Bob highlighted the fact that we did amend the existing agreement which will have a slight impact to 2012. It's going to cost us a little bit more. But in aggregate, the pieces, it really starts to step up. So we actually do get benefits in '13 from it, but like Bob said, the real benefit comes in '14 and '15. But on an MPV basis, this is really significant agreement for us.

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

Yes, the '13 net benefit we'll see, we have higher cost associated with the lease car amendment, but that's more offset when we adjust for the PRB pricing, because Casper had a big influence on how our coal was being priced for '13. So that's -- it's a net positive for '13. Certainly, not a huge number. It's really is, once you take a look at the PRB and the rail agreement, when it fully starts in '14 and '15, relative to what we had assumed in the Disclosure Statement.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

So maybe, outside of some earning [ph] the bulk of that $300 million is really reflective over 2 full calendar years in '14 '15. Is that kind of the fairway to characterize it?

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

That's a fair way to characterize it, but I think, that's again, because you're negative in '12 and maybe positive in '13, the map will take you right to your point.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Great. Maybe last question here on California. So lastly on California here, Morro Bay -- obviously, you can talk a little bit about the future of it. Can you discuss where you stand with regards to recontracting the asset?

Kevin Howell

Analyst

Well let me just put some total clarity around that whole issue. When those agreements were terminated, we obviously, took exception to the actual termination. So there's actually a dispute resolution process underway now to resolve those processes. It looks like it's going to head into mediation here in the near-term. And we'll see what kind of work goes from that. The one important thing I would remind everybody is because the contract were terminated, there was payment for what we call the undisputed amounts. We clearly view that we owed significantly more dollars under that, but we've received at least the undisputed amount already. And then we're going to work through resolving the rest of the money. We feel like road, as far as recontracting of the asset, there's actually an open or full process now out in California with Southern California and others that we're actively trying to participate in and hoping that we will be able to get some value out of that as well. And then, once the dust settles on that, to the extent we can contract some of that up, we'll have to make some other assessment. If we don't get anything out of that process, then I think we're really going to have to probably have a discussion about do we take it to an RMR status or what is the long-term viability.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Right. And then, any concerns around or visibility on Moss Landing 6&7 and 1&2 just an ability to contact more in 1&2 and then 6&7? Is there a concern on having the same kind of event take place on both units as did with Morro Bay?

Kevin Howell

Analyst

As far as a termination of the agreement on 6 and 7?

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Yes. There's no comparable alloc for any counterparty there, correct?

Kevin Howell

Analyst

No. And actually in the beginning -- I'll just remind you that the determination even down at Morro, we don't think there's a good determination anyway so...

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Right.

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

And then going back to the Coal contract, I do want to emphasize that -- getting that contract done by Kevin and his team was just an outstanding result for the company and not being phased, we're trying to get it done in '13 when you've got the one expiring and a new one in place. We really came through, in what I believe is just an outstanding outcome for the company. Pat, we have time for one more question.

Operator

Operator

Our last question comes from Angie Storozynski with Macquarie.

Angie Storozynski

Analyst

Just looking back on the call contract. So maybe I misheard, but so is 2013 priced? So do I have a price of PRB under the contract?

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

So for 2013 for the coal commodity under our normal purchasing of coal, we've got 53% of that coal priced, another 32% of that coal under a price collar option that get set during a specific time period this year. We're in that time period. and then the remaining 15% we're open to the market or about 2 million tons of coal. So that dealt with the coal commodity that come. As far as the rail, that stays the same except for the cost of the lease cars.

Angie Storozynski

Analyst

Okay and then '14 and '15 for pricing of coal, is there -- I mean, it's a similar structure or is it simply undecided at this point?

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

'14 and '15 from a price standpoint we're completely open...

Clint Freeland

Analyst

There's a collar component around about 6 million tons.

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

But it's not priced yet.

Clint Freeland

Analyst

It is not priced yet.

Angie Storozynski

Analyst

Okay. So the $300 million benefit versus the original estimates that you're quoting, is this just simply price to market? Is that based on the market PRB prices that you're seeing?

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

Yes. and it's a combination of that and the new rail rate that we have locked in as compared to the rail rate in the Disclosure Statement. So both in the commodity forecasting. In the commodity, what we use...

Angie Storozynski

Analyst

I'm sorry. Because I'm simply struggling with seeing markets for PRB in '14 and '15. I mean, there hasn't been much of a transactions of any, so I'm just basically trying to figure out how you're estimating the $300 million benefit.

Kevin Howell

Analyst

There are broker quotes for that period. I agree with you, there's not a lot of liquidity behind. There's not a lot of trades out there, but there are broker quotes for that period.

Clint Freeland

Analyst

And it's against our Disclosure Statement.

Angie Storozynski

Analyst

Okay, yes, well, but we don't know what the original disclosure assumptions were. [indiscernible] We just don't know what price to see you.

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

That's right. But you got to remember, when we did that, as well, we had a gas price in 2015 of $5 and the gas price in 2015 of $5 impacts how coal is priced.

Kevin Howell

Analyst

Well, I think at the time of the Disclosure Statement, you also have to remember, that I think there was the expectation that Casper was going to go live on January 1 of '12 and at that point, Casper credits has traded as high as $2,000 and that was having an impact on expectation for PRB. Clearly, with delay at Casper and kind of a collapse in the Casper credit, that shifted the thinking on PRB quite a bit.

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

But Angie, when you think about the $300 million, I would say that most of that over the course between 2012 and 2015, the majority of that is locked in.

Angie Storozynski

Analyst

So you're basically saying it's the rail really not the Coal?

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

I'm saying it's both because really I just talk about Coal is priced for '12 and Coal is priced for '13, the rail is priced for '12 and '13. So what's floating at this point is Coal in '14 and '15. But the vast majority of the savings, when you look at the whole picture, is locked in.

Angie Storozynski

Analyst

Okay. That's fair. Now, you are excluding the losses on the legacy put options and the option premium. Now, I mean, I'm fine with it but should I assume that going forward, you're not using options as a way to hedge? Because I mean, I will probably assume that if you do use options and they are beneficial, they will be included in your adjusted EBITDA going forward, right?

Kevin Howell

Analyst

Well, I think the way to think about the legacy opt -- there were really a host of put options that were out there and now that we're trying to migrate more and more to a first lien structure, both of our counterparties don't do put a short put as right way risk, so -- and I think rightfully so. So I think the way -- we will be using options, I'm just not sure we're going to end up using short put options.

Clint Freeland

Analyst

Angie, when we do use options, and have either premium income inflow or outflow, to me, that is part of the economics of the underlying hedge and that's why we change our methodology in how we treat that to actually realized that premium income or expense upon exploration of that hedge, which would also line up with the generation. So, I think we should have a better alignment of the economics of that hedge with the generation going forward.

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

Yes, for the legacy put option, the premium was recognized in '10 and '11 and the liability was left for this year, so we would always match that. But back to Kevin's point, we will not do any commercial transactions where we're going short put. We're not going to do wrong way risks hedging. We use options to define its right way risk.

Angie Storozynski

Analyst

Okay. Now, I understand how the expanding spark spreads have been helping or have helped your Gas assets. Now, about the Coal assets, it seems like the power prices in the Midwest are really not reacting to the strength in natural gas prices and there are many different opinions why that is. One of the reasons could be the weakness and low growth in the Midwest especially, in Illinois. Casper, the delay in Casper could be -- we have another reason. Now, we are in an environment of some pull back in natural gas prices. Why should we get excited about power prices and the dark spreads for your portfolio, given the backdrop that we're going against?

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

Yes. And I would say to that, Angie, I mean, the thing, as we look forward and even in the month of July, we've seen some higher peak loads. In what we've seen, I guess, might have set some new peak records in terms of daily peaks. So we have seen some spikes there. We also have some high print pricing as well. We've seen prints with high as $1,000. So we're seeing some of it but I mean, generally speaking you're right what really needs to happens might so over the next several years is -- it's long capacity. You've got reserve margins, that are in the 20s and to the extent, environmental rules stay in place, there's going to be capacity that comes out of that market. So while we're going to see some spikes here and there, what's really going to have to help us is retirements in the market either through lack of economics currently or lack of economics plus the thread of environmental investments that need to be made. So it's probably going to take a little bit of couple of years to sort itself out. But we're seeing some encouraging signs during the month of July on where peaks are and some better pricing.

Kevin Howell

Analyst

The only thing I add to that is clearly, over the first half of the year, there was no weather in MISO. We had an incredibly warm winter and not much heat until July. So about the first and second quarter, I think our -- you got to kind of weather normalized us a little bit. Because of that, you actually saw gas prices kind of get as low as $2.20-or-so in the spring. There's been a significant recovery against that. Gas prices still are not anywhere as robust as we think they will be over time. But you've got this kind of overhang of some like $2.20 gas than the first half of the year.

Angie Storozynski

Analyst

Okay. And my last question, I promise, okay. So you mentioned how much money has been spent retrofitting your coal plants and you showed where is the implied value of your Coal portfolio from where the other debt is trading, which assumes the debt is reflecting the priority [ph] of the company but now, I mean, we haven't really seen any length between the replacement value of assets and where the sparks are trading, right? I mean, if you look at any of your peers, any power producers, they are trading well below their replacement value even though, they also have quality assets. So I mean, why should we even think about how much money has been dedicated to upgrading those assets if the market doesn't seem to recognize it at all?

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

Angie, what I was just trying to do on 7 because we get the question a lot, probably, from your reports. But to provide some lease on separation in 2013, on what's the gas and what's the coal, to help people think about it and the implied value of $185 a kw, you're right. I really leave that to people to form their own judgments or value at, however, they think most appropriate. And you're right, from replacement cost of a coal plant, with Prairie state invest like over $3000 a kw for a coal plant. I mean, so you don't know -- I mean, you're right, that it doesn't necessarily mean you're going to trade to these levels. But what I was only trying to do on that slide is provide additional details, split out GasCo from CoalCo to get more information to the market to help with the value assessment.

Robert C. Flexon

Analyst

All right Pat, that will conclude today's call. I want to thank everybody for calling in and participating. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Again, thank you for your participation on today's conference call. You may disconnect at this time.