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Dycom Industries, Inc. (DY)

Q1 2016 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 24, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the Dycom Results Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session instructions will be given at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the call to our host President and CEO Mr. Steven Nielsen. Please go ahead, sir.

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Thank you, Brad. Good morning, everyone. I would like to thank you for attending this conference call to review our first quarter fiscal 2016 results. During the call, we will be referring to a slide presentation, which can be found on our website, www.dycomind.com under the heading Events. Relevant slides will be identified by number throughout our presentation. Going to Slide 3, today we have on the call, Tim Estes, our Chief Operating Officer; Drew DeFerrari, our Chief Financial Officer; and Rick Vilsoet, our General Counsel. Now, I will turn the call over to Rick Vilsoet.

Richard Vilsoet

Analyst

Thank you, Steve. Except for historical information, the statements made by Company Management during this call may be forward-looking and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements, including those related to the Company's outlook, are based on Management's current expectations, estimates and projections, and involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which may cause the Company's actual results in future periods to differ materially from forecasted results. Those risks and uncertainties are more fully described in the Company's Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended July 25, 2015, and other periodic filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The Company assumes no obligation to update forward-looking statements. Steve?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Thanks Rick. Now moving to Slide 4 and a review of our first quarter results. As you review our results, please note that we have presented in our release and comments certain revenue amounts excluding revenues from businesses acquired during the first and fourth quarters of fiscal 2015 and the first quarter of fiscal 2016. Adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net income and adjusted diluted earnings per share all of which are non-GAAP financial measures. See Slides 14 through 19 for a reconciliation of non-GAAP measures to GAAP measures. Revenue increased significantly year-over-year to $659.3 million, an increase of 29.2%. This quarter was impacted by a broad increase in demand from each and every one of our top five customers as we deployed 1 gigabit wireline networks and grew core market share. These factors offset a reduction in services for wireless carriers. Gross margins increased 215 basis points as a percentage of revenue reflecting a better mix of work types, increased revenue density, and broadly improved operating performance, while general and administrative expenses also improved year-over-year decreasing 95 basis points. All of these factors produced adjusted EBITDA of $105.7 million or 16% of revenue and adjusted net income of $1.24 per diluted share compared to $0.59 in the year ago quarter. Cash and availability under our credit facility totaled $282.6 million. During the quarter, we repurchased approximately 954,000 shares of our common stock for $70 million at an average price of $73.35 per share. In addition, we purchased TelCom Construction for $49 million and finally we successfully completed the issuance of $485 million of senior convertible notes at a 75 basis point coupon and redeemed $277.5 million of our [7.125%] senior subordinated notes. Our outstanding performance at the beginning of our new fiscal year occurred within an industry environment where our customers…

Andrew DeFerrari

Analyst

Thanks Steve and good morning, everyone. Going to Slide 8, contract revenues for Q1 of 2016 were $659.3 million and organic growth was at 21.9%, reflecting solid growth from a number of our top customers. Acquired businesses contributed $39.5 million of revenue in the current period. Adjusted EBITDA increased to 16% of revenue or $105.7 million compared to 13% or $66.4 million in the year ago period. Gross margins increased 215 basis points from an improved mix of customer opportunities and improved operating performance compared to Q1 of 2015 as well as lower fuel prices. G&A as a percent of revenue decreased approximately 95 basis points year-over-year from improved operating leverage as the Company efficiently increased and scale. The strength of the performance this quarter resulted in non-GAAP adjusted EPS of $1.24 compared to EPS of $0.59 in Q1 2015. Our non-GAAP adjusted EPS for Q1 2016 excludes the impact of the costs to redeem our [7.125%] senior subordinated notes and also excludes the impact of non-cash amortization of the debt discount on our new senior convertible notes. See Slides 14 through 19 of today’s slide presentation for a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures. Going to Slide 9, during the first quarter we executed several financing transactions which will significantly reduce our future cash interest costs. First, we issued $485 million at a six-year senior convertible notes that have a 75 basis point annual cash coupon. This cash coupon is significantly lower than our previous senior subordinated notes that were bearing interest at [7.125%] until we redeem them during Q1 2016. The new notes were allocated on the balance sheet between debt and equity components. This allocations results under debt discount of $116.4 million for accounting purposes that amortizes its interest expense over the six-year term of the…

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Thanks Drew. Moving to Slide 13, within a growing economy, we experienced the effects of a robust industry environment and capitalized on our significant strengths. First and foremost, we maintained strong customer relationships throughout our markets. We continue to win and extend contracts at attractive pricing. Secondly, the strength of those relationships and the extensive market presence they have created has allowed us to be at the forefront of evolving industry opportunities. The end market drivers of these opportunities remain firm and are strengthening. Telephone companies are deploying fiber-to-the-home and fiber-to-the-node technologies to enable video offerings and 1 gigabit high speed connections. These deployments are accelerating and impacting our business. Some of those telephone companies previously deploying fiber-to-the-node architectures have definitively transitioned to fiber-to-the-home deployments, while others are beginning to provision video over their fiber-to-the-node architectures. Cable operators are continuing to deploy fiber to small and medium businesses and with increasing urgency. Some are doing so in anticipation of the customer sales process. Overall cable capital expenditures, new build opportunities and capacity expansion are increasing. Dramatically increased speeds to consumers are being provisioned. New projects resulting from the Connect America Fund II are in planning and engineering with construction launching shortly. These projects are deploying fiber deeper into rural networks and more are expected as new multi-year opportunities emerge through the balance of this calendar year. And customers are consolidating supply change, creating opportunities for market share growth. Within this context, we believe we are uniquely positioned, managed and capitalized to meaningfully experience an improving industry environment to the benefit of our shareholders. We remain encouraged that our major customers possess significant financial strength and are increasingly committing to multi-year capital spending initiatives, which are meaningfully accelerating and expanding in scope across the number of customers. We remain confident in our strategies, the prospects for our company, the capabilities of our dedicated employees and the experience of our management team as we grow our business in capitalization. Now Brad, we will open the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from Alex Rygiel. Please go ahead.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

Thanks, Steve and Drew. Great quarter. Congratulations.

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Thank you.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

Steve, a couple quick questions. It definitely seems like your traditional telcos have been accelerating their growth now for the last handful of quarters. But in a couple times on the call, it seemed like you were suggesting that maybe the cable customers were poised to kind of reaccelerate. Should we expect somewhat of a little bit of a mix shift towards those cable customers in the upcoming quarters?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

There is clearly a new technical standard coming out in the cable industry that will – was impacting the business going forward, we’ve had one customer in particular to talk about investing in network capacity. I think it’s an open question given the strong growth across all of our businesses whether they grow faster than other parts of the business or just everybody grows quickly together.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

And then when we think about your incremental gross margin, obviously it was very, very strong this quarter and the last handful of quarters. But can you talk about a couple of the different variables that will affect that incremental gross margin over the coming quarters?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

I think the issue with respect to gross margin is to make sure that we are deploying our resources on those opportunities where we have the best footprint and where we can do the best job for the customer and we are the most effective at managing the workforce, now we’ve got a broad footprint so that’s a lot of places, but we are going to be careful where we commit given the enormity of the opportunities that we are seeing going forward.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

Thanks. I'll get back in the queue.

Operator

Operator

And our next question will come from Tahira Afzal. Please go ahead.

Sean Eastman

Analyst

Good morning, guys. This is Sean on for Tahira today. Congrats on another solid performance this quarter.

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Thanks.

Sean Eastman

Analyst

My first question is just on the top line. It's great to see the top-line growth continuing to accelerate here at the start of the year. I'd just like to get a flavor for when you look at the velocity of Dycom's growth versus the overall market, how much of that growth is you guys really gobbling up market share versus your customers' accelerating their buildouts?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Well, certainly we have some opportunities that we talked about this quarter where we added a couple of new service areas for some key customers, we talked last quarter on a similar expansion in our market share, but I would not underplay the opportunities available broadly in the industry given all the factors that we’ve talked about with respect to 1 gig the cable excuse me expansion as well as CAF II and I would also tell you that even in our businesses that are more leverage at the general economy particularly housing we are seeing growth. So I think it’s really broadly based.

Sean Eastman

Analyst

Okay, thanks. And then, secondly, maybe just to touch on the Connect America Fund Phase II opportunity. How much hit backlog for the Connect America Fund this quarter? And what kind of contribution are you assuming out to the third quarter for the top line? How does that trajectory sort of play out over the next several quarters?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

So there was essentially no backlog for CAF II and at the end of October as we talked about in our comments we think there will be things developing before the end of the calendar year we expect construction to start in the April quarter. Beyond that, we are not relying on a substantial contribution from CAF II to hit our guidance because we're still working through customer discussions and until those are settled we really haven't included it.

Sean Eastman

Analyst

Okay, got it. All right. Thanks guys and congrats again.

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we will go to the line of Adam Thalhimer. Please go ahead.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

Hi good morning guys, great quarter.

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Thanks Adam.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

Can you kind of give us an update on the competitive environment, just broadly what you're seeing out there?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

I think as we just generally said before Adam there's a lot of business out there. We have been successful when we are focused on the key customers that have really supported our business for long period of time and we are very loyal to them. As I have also said there are going to be given the opportunities in the industry and as well as we're performing we expect competition to increase as it has another cycles but it’s not any significant concern as long as we do a good job for customers there's plenty of business out there.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

How difficult would it be for a large E&C company who is not in the business to get into the business?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Yes, I think the dynamic is similar to one that we saw in the 90s that when the profile of the industry becomes as attractive as it is now, it obviously attracts attention. At the same time given the real premium that the industry requires and capability to grow resources, it's also a harder time to get in. So it's an attractive opportunity, I'm sure, but the reality of it today as you saw we added over 1,000 employees in the quarter over 600 organically. And we are going to have to add more as we go forward and I think that is not necessarily where those program management type companies particularly are focused.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

Okay. And then can I also ask you a question on the gross margin? My model doesn't go back to the 1990s. But back in the early 2000s, you had some quarters, 24%, 25% gross margins, which is still quite a bit above where we are now. Can you give us a little more color on where those could go?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Adam, we've given some intermediate guidance here for the next couple of quarters. I don't know that I would go beyond that other than to say in some ways we're at today maybe somewhat more impressive in that - in those earlier periods of time we did not have near the business we do currently in the fulfillment for cable operators as well as utility underground facility locating, which are one technician in a truck businesses and tend to have lower capital inputs. So I think the business is a little bit different than when we were at those margins based on the mix.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

Okay. And just, lastly, you said the wireless is still a bit of a headwind here. What would be your expectation for that business going forward?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

The business quarter-over-quarter, year-over-year was down about 40%. I think that's in line with what you see generally from others who have spoken about it. I mean I think from what we understand and we don't have a large business there, it's a nice business, we'd like it to be bigger, but it's not all that large for us. We think the activity levels will be up next year, but we are not as confident that revenues will be up just because of the type of work that's available may very well have less revenue per site than it has in the past just based on its capacity expansion rather than new site builds.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

Got it. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

And our next question or comment will come from Jennifer Fritzsche. Please go ahead.

Jennifer Fritzsche

Analyst

Great. Thank you for taking the question. A few if I may. I just wanted to explore the cable point once again. Drew, you made comments about cable capacity projects expanding. Steve, you used the words increased urgency. I understand the pushout of fiber in capacity, but a lot of investors might come back and say but DOCSIS 3.1 will get them there really without additional fiber spend. That seems incorrect based on your comments. And then, secondly, if I may, one of your largest customers has what I'd call a quasi-government mandate to build out certain homes to fiber. That's about 20% of their footprint. Is your sense that, based on discussions and comments you've made about multi-year agreements, that could go further?

Andrew DeFerrari

Analyst

Okay. So we’ll try to knock them down one at a time Jennifer and if we miss some just make sure we cover them. So with respect to what we said in our comments was that clearly the cable industry is very focused on deploying fiber to small and medium businesses and they have been for a long period of time. I mean it’s been great growth engine for those folks and we continue to see urgency around that deployment. So I think that’s a clear opportunity for us going forward. With respect to DOCSIS, we know what we’re being asked to do. We work for big customers, they have lots of programs that they are managing all the time, we’re confident that when they ask us to do things that they intend for us to get it done. I’m not going to get in the middle of trying to side with respect to some conceptual question around DOCSIS what it implies we are just speaking to what we see in the business. And then with respect to fiber [indiscernible] specifically, where there is some commitments that have been made, we fully expect and the behavior we are seeing is consistent with they intend to meet the commitments that they’ve made and that’s a substantial ramp out for a long period of time and I think that's what our comments are not with respect to any longer period because that's not ours to say. We will defer to our customers on that.

Jennifer Fritzsche

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Christian Schwab. Please go ahead.

Christian Schwab

Analyst

Congratulations on another great quarter, Steve.

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Thank you.

Christian Schwab

Analyst

You bet. When we look at the expectation of normal winter weather patterns, which we've highlighted numerous times, there is an opportunity for the weather to be less harsh this year - or so say the people who get paid to guess that. Are you trying to insinuate that should the weather be better we'd have the backlog and the people to do more work? Is that fair?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Well, I mean Christian, what isn't contingent on whether is the fact that we have less daylight, four holidays in the quarter, and a dead week between Christmas and New Year's. So we are just – I've been doing this a long time and I can't imagine that the performance of the weather in any individual quarter really alters long-term value. We've had good periods of time in this business before, but if you ask me what the El Nino effect was in the second quarter of 1998 I have no clue. I know there was one, but I'm not sure it alters value in the long run.

Christian Schwab

Analyst

Fair enough. And then could you quantify the gross margin improvement year-over-year positively impacted by the decline in gas prices?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Yes, Drew go ahead.

Andrew DeFerrari

Analyst

Yes. Christian, this is Drew. So it was about a $0.05 of EPS year-over-year and just as a reminder the price broke down in fuel in our Q1 of 2015, so last year is when the price really dropped down to begin with about halfway through the quarter, so…

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

We see that as a less of a tailwind going forward Christian.

Christian Schwab

Analyst

Yes, absolutely.

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Because year-over-year, I think with the second quarter will be lapping much lower prices in the year ago period.

Christian Schwab

Analyst

Great. I don’t have any other questions. Thanks guys.

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Bill Newby. Please go ahead.

William Newby

Analyst

Good morning guys, Bill Newby here for John Rogers.

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Hey, Bill.

William Newby

Analyst

Just wondering if I could get a feel for your appetite on acquisitions, maybe just in general. And then maybe if you could touch on wireless and if that downturn is causing any attractive prices to emerge that might cause you guys to look there for acquisitions.

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

So we did acquisitions as we said in our comments in both the first and fourth quarters of the last fiscal year, the nice acquisition in the first quarter of this year, so certainly we are going to be opportunistic clearly at kind of our scale relative to the industry. We are looking for acquisitions that add to our financial performance, but they are not going to be materially accretive just given the kind of the size differential. And so we certainly are always looking, but clearly right now we think that the highest and best use of our cash is through organic growth which is reflected in kind of our updated guidance on CapEx. Certainly we are seeing some opportunities in wireless. I think at this point from a growth profile, we think kind of our core business probably is more attractive in the intermediate term that what we see on the wireless side. And so I am not sure that I would be dedicating substantial capital there although once again we are opportunistic so that may change given the right opportunity.

William Newby

Analyst

All right. Thanks. That's all I got.

Operator

Operator

And the next question will come from Alex Rygiel. Please go ahead.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

Thanks. Drew could you complete the top 10 customer list?

Andrew DeFerrari

Analyst

Sure thing, Alex. Windstream was number six at 6.4% of revenue. Time Warner Cable was number seven at 4.9%. Charter Communications was number eight at 2.5%. Crown Castle was number nine at 1.2% and Corning was number 10 at 1.2%. And then Alex for the customer split telco was at 63.3%, cable was at 27.7%, facility locating was 5.6% and electrical and other was at 3.5%.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

And, Steve, as it relates to your fiscal 2Q and 3Q guidance, what's your assumption for wireless revenue? Are we approaching the bottom? Could we see a bounce such that growth returns? Where do we stand in that cycle?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

I would say that as we look ahead you probably not going to see a bounce at least in our business until Q4. I mean we are not providing guidance, but I mean calendar 2016 from our perspective we are not large participant in the industry, if it’s a bounce I mean you are not going to need the yard stick to measure it, let’s put it that way.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

And then as it relates to your 12 month backlog - I know you are not a huge fan of looking at backlog to predict the future - 12-month backlog is up very nicely on a year-over-year basis. But it's somewhat flat over the last three quarters, despite the acquisitions. Is there anything to read into that?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Yes, I think there are couple of things to keep in mind. There is a lot opportunity out there, as we said earlier I think on your question we are going to be careful to commit our capacity to the customers that present that we work for a long time and that presents the best opportunities for us, so we are being careful on what we commit to, as long as we commit we are going to make sure we deliver so I think that’s part of it. I think the other thing is as you look at the trend from Q4 of 2014 into Q1 of 2015 you will see that was flat and as you can tell we had accelerating organic growth for the next four quarters. So as you also said certainly more backlog driven better than less at least as a concept, but this is one of those times where we just want to make we’re careful and we think there is plenty of contractual backlog in the business to support our growth outlook.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

And Steve, one last question, if you don't mind. As it relates to the financing transactions, can you frame what all that means to you and Dycom over the next, call it, three to five years?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Well, over the term of the notes Alex we’ll add $16 million, $17 million of increased operating cash flow so in the business – period of time in the business we are investing a working capital and CapEx that’s a great way to do it. We obviously also thought we had an opportunity through the transaction to take out a substantial block of shares in a way that didn’t create any over – create a pressure in the market, make sure that we had a good price for the Company and taking those shares out and I just think it if you think about even the operating cash flow that we’ll see in this second quarter year-over-year, last year we had a $10 million coupon payment in January, this year we won’t have any. So just helps the cash profile of the business.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our last question in queue at this time will come from Alan Mitrani. Please go ahead.

Alan Mitrani

Analyst

Hi, thank you. Steve, your slides that you have, slide 9, you talk about potential dilution. Obviously, you explained the convertible node hedge. You say invested $115.8 million in note hedge to offset future dilution - if any - from conversion of the notes. Those two words I wanted to understand. Is your thought that maybe over time, between the time the converts are due, you have a chance to, if the cash flows are good, buy back enough stock or buy other companies so that this really isn't dilutive at all?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Well, certainly we’ve got $16 million, $17 million of operating cash flow per year that obviously can offset the dilution. In the trailing 12 months to this October quarter we bought back $157 million worth of stock and 2.6 million plus shares right. So we’ve been able to manage the capitalization well other than that I would just say the slides like most of other corporate communications are well lawyered. So I am sure that legal qualification of some minor significance.

Alan Mitrani

Analyst

Great. And then going back to the 1990s, since that's what you keep referencing. It seemed like your Company and the others that were competing, and there were several that then came public, were in the rollout phase. You were still buying a lot of companies. You weren't as mature. I think the business was very fast. The CLECs were spending and the overbuilders were coming in, and they sort of wanted the business done. Now you are dealing with a mature set of customers that seem unlikely just to use any subcontractor or contracting firm to put in projects that seem to be key to their business. Can you just talk about that dynamic this time around because a lot of the competition, at least the public competition, doesn't seem to be there?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

I mean Alan, I think I'd frame it a little bit differently so we’ve always been focused on the incumbent cable and phone companies. That’s always been our core customer base, while all those people that you’ve outlined certainly did create some demand in the industry in the 90s, they are not folks that we spend a whole lot of time paying attention to. And I think I would just say that there’s been a lot of consolidation in the industry, our customers have got much larger and as customers get larger and have bigger needs, we hope and think that our scale maybe attractive to them, but that’s their call and I think it all depends on us doing a good job everyday or the scale doesn’t make any difference.

Alan Mitrani

Analyst

Okay. And then on the backlog, did I hear you right? You didn't put any CAF II numbers in your backlog?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Yes, I mean we are having ongoing discussions; we are not going to get ahead of anything. We expect projects to be underway from an engineering and planning perspective in the second quarter and some construction as we get into the spring, but we’re not going to get ahead of ourselves here. Once again, it’s presumptuous. Our clients are the people that give us the work and we are not going to get in front of them.

Alan Mitrani

Analyst

Right. But you've talked in the past that maybe the way we should look at CAF should be that basically it'll add a top-five customer over time. Such that we're looking at a meaningful step-up in backlog as you get out of the winter months, once all this is finalized.

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Yes, I mean I think that’s a reasonable expectation, but until it’s done, it’s not done.

Alan Mitrani

Analyst

Great. And then lastly, maybe Drew, can you give me gross CapEx for the quarter?

Andrew DeFerrari

Analyst

Yes. I think it was right around $41 million.

Alan Mitrani

Analyst

$41 million. And do you have what the revenue or maybe the trailing revenues are of the company you bought?

Andrew DeFerrari

Analyst

Well, I mean they’re in the organic number in the second quarter – this October quarter that we backed out. So I think we gave you kind of $80 million zip code, maybe a little bit bigger and when we talked in August no need to change that at this point.

Alan Mitrani

Analyst

Okay. Great, thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we have one question queue at this time. We will go to the line of Cobb Sadler. Please go ahead.

Cobb Sadler

Analyst

Hey guys, thanks a lot for taking the question, and congrats on the quarter also. I just had a question on – actually couple of questions. The market for resources I mean it looks like with all the build-out in North America, not news, it's really strong. Are you having a hard time sourcing engineers or labor? I mean at some point, does that kind of cap your growth? And do you focus on higher-margin customers with the ability to which you produce revenue? How does that shake out?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Sure Cobb, the way we’ve always thought about it is we are hired by customers to create capacity and so from that perspective, we’re at our best when resources become a little bit tight. That doesn’t mean that it’s impacting our ability to deliver on commitments as long as we carefully consider what we commit to before we do. It’s certainly tighter than it was a year ago. I think that’s generally true even in the businesses that are not directly involved in the gigabit deployments, but just in the general market for labor, but when you’re in the services business a little scarcity separates those who can deliver from those who may have a little more difficulty.

Cobb Sadler

Analyst

Okay, got it. And then just two of your largest customers, two of the telcos I guess one of them, the smaller one has made some noise about maybe moving from some fiber to the business or to the home. And maybe using VDSL at 100 megs or 200 megs to kind of put a band-aid on as kind of an intermediate step to their broadband speed increases. Do you think I guess could you talk about – is the revenue opportunity per sub I guess lower for you with VDSL? And do you think that's going to happen? Are you planning on that? Also, I guess your largest customer too will be doing some of their major build with copper and not fiber. Do you know what that split is? Or is it just kind of a moving target for you?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

I think we are happy to provide services whether they are fiber based or copper based all of our customers had evolving strategies as to where those technologies makes sense based on geography and demographics and different views on technology. I think all of those things are interesting, but given the magnitude of the opportunities in front of us not something that is overly concerning if customers goes one way or another there is plenty of business out there.

Cobb Sadler

Analyst

Okay, got it. Good news. And then also on the equipment vendors. If you look at the pool of broadband equipment vendors, they haven't seen upticks in their businesses yet. And you guys have a couple quarters now of just really hitting on all cylinders. So I wonder, when will we move to a subscriber turn-up phase as opposed to - I know the footprint will continue to grow at a good clip - but when do you think the subs will start to be added in a meaningful way?

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

We have limited exposure to that kind of drop installation part of the business, generally customers do a good portion of that themselves or use some other folks. Clearly you got to get the network built and turned up before you can have the subscriber activity. I think given the fact that they are spending what they are to deploy the network, it only pays for itself that they hope people up. So I am sure it’s coming, it’s just not something that’s all that relevant to our business so we don’t spend a whole of time thinking about it.

Cobb Sadler

Analyst

Okay. Congrats on the growth. Great job. And thanks for taking the questions.

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We have a follow-up question from Alan Mitrani. Please go ahead.

Alan Mitrani

Analyst

Hi Steve. It's hard for a lot of people to wrap their heads around how fast the growth has been. At least in the last calendar year, let's call it, with close to doubling earnings on a cash basis on a 20 plus percent revenue beat. And given the stock has gone up a lot. Maybe it should have gone up a lot more in the previous years, but it seems to have gone up a lot in the 12 to 14 months trailing. It seems like a lot of people, obviously, will look at this and think, with your highest margins in 12 years, that maybe we are at peak despite what your commentary is. It seems like I'm not getting that feel at all from your commentary and from the customer commentary. But maybe talk about the mix of where you see revenue growth you know sustainable revenue growth in a steady-ish state environment once you come off the initial big increase that you're seeing this year and maybe early into next year.

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Well, I think as we’ve tried to indicate in our comments Alan, I mean this is 2015 is the foundational year. We think the growth is off of this base. And honestly I understand it. I’ve been doing this a lot of time I guess the short answer is I guess we’ll all see, but for based on what we see and conversation we have with customers not only about 2016, but their general thought process now that it extends beyond 2016. As long as we do a good job which we work hard at everyday and provide good service, we think there is plenty of opportunity and plenty of demand that I would say is future demand that’s kind of on the bench still get ready to come in the game, so I guess we’ll see.

Alan Mitrani

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Operator, we will take one more question. End of Q&A

Operator

Operator

Currently no questions in queue.

Steven Nielsen

Analyst

Okay. Well, we thank everybody for your interest in the Company and your attention on the call and we look forward to speaking to you the last week of February. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This does conclude our conference for today. Thanks for participation and for using AT&T Executive Teleconference Service. You may now disconnect.