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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the CSC's Third Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. And for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. George Price. Please go ahead, sir.

George Price

Management

Great, Matt. Thanks very much, and good afternoon to everyone. I'm pleased you have joined us for CSC's Third Quarter 2015 Earnings Call and Webcast. Our speakers on today's call will be Mike Lawrie, our Chief Executive Officer; and Paul Saleh, our Chief Financial Officer. As usual, the call is being webcast at csc.com/investorrelations, and we've posted some slides on our website which will accompany our discussion today. On Slide 2, you will see that certain comments we make on the call will be forward-looking. These statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties which could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed on the call. Discussion of the risks and uncertainties is included in our Form 10-K, Form 10-Q and other SEC filings. Slide 3 informs our participants that CSC's presentation includes certain non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe will provide useful information to our investors. In accordance with SEC rules, we have provided a reconciliation of these measures to their respective and most directly comparable GAAP measures. These reconciliations can be found in the tables included in today's earnings release as well as in our supplemental slides. Both documents are available on the Investor Relations section of our website. Briefly, I'd like to mention that our third quarter GAAP results include the impact of certain pension and SEC settlement-related charges. Mike's prepared remarks will exclude the impact of these items. Paul will cover these items in more detail. Finally, I'd like to remind our listeners that CSC assumes no obligation to update the information presented on the call except, of course, as required by law. And now I'd like to introduce CSC's CEO, Mike Lawrie.

John Michael Lawrie

Management

Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you, everyone, for joining today and your continued interest in CSC. As is my [indiscernible] here, I've got 5 key messages I want to leave you with. I'll share those up front, then develop it in a little more detail, and then turn this over to Paul and then we'll have an opportunity to respond to your questions. The first key message here is our third quarter non-GAAP EPS from continuing operations was $1.18, driven by our continued cost takeout actions and shift to lower cost locations, as well as a slightly lower tax rate. We also generated strong free cash flow of around $500 million. And finally, we reached an understanding with the SEC to settle our long-standing civil investigation, allowing us to focus even more attention on executing our strategy. The second key message is our NPS business continues to show signs of improvement despite the challenging market. Revenue was up modestly on a year-over-year basis and margins were again strong as a result of our cost takeout actions and good execution. We continue to see strength from our next-generation offerings with revenue growth in key areas like commercial cloud and big data. We also continue to operationalize our key partnerships and are seeing positive results. The fourth key message is our commercial business delivered sequential margin improvement due to our ongoing cost takeout actions. Commercial revenue, however, was lower than what we'd expected, primarily due to some unforeseen delays and execution issues, particularly in the United States and, to a lesser extent, in the U.K. and Australia. And finally, for fiscal '15, we continue to target non-GAAP EPS from continuing operations in the range of $4.45 to $4.65. And for free cash flow, we are tracking at $700 million or more.…

Paul N. Saleh

Management

Well, thank you, Mike, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll discuss our third quarter results and update you on our targets for '15. Before I begin, let me cover 2 items that are included in our GAAP results. Earlier this year, CSC adopted a new mark-to-market pension accounting policy, which recognizes actuarial gains and losses on the fair value of pension assets. So during the quarter, we extended a lump sum offer to eligible U.S. pension plan participants, which triggered an interim remeasurements of the plan's assets and liabilities using updated mortality tables. We also added interim remeasurements of our pension plan in Switzerland. The impact of these remeasurements was a noncash actuarial charge of $462 million for the quarter. Also during the quarter, we reached a proposed settlement with the SEC relating to the NHS accounting and disclosures from fiscal 2009 to 2012. As a result, we recorded a $195 million charge related to this matter. So excluding these 2 items, diluted EPS from continuing operations was $1.18 for the quarter. Turning to our third quarter results. Revenue was $2.95 billion, down 6.5% in constant currency. Operating income was $332 million and operating margin was 11.3%, an improvement of 80 basis points over the prior year. Earnings before interest and taxes was $272 million, and EBIT margin was 9.2%, up 60 basis points from a year ago and up 20 basis points sequentially. Income from continuing operations was $172 million in the quarter, and our diluted EPS from continuing operations was $1.18, up 9% year-over-year. Our effective tax rate was 28% in the quarter, slightly better than anticipated. Our booking in the quarter were $2.7 billion for a book-to-bill of 0.9x. Year-to-date, revenue declined by 4% in constant currency, but our operating margin was 10.6%. EBIT margin improved 10 basis…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] At this time, we will take a question from Keith Bachman with Bank of Montréal.

Keith F. Bachman - BMO Capital Markets Canada

Analyst

I had 2 questions, if I could. Mike, I think, the first one for you. On the commercial side, you indicated there was some execution and deal push-outs. And yet it seems like aspirations for the year have been fairly well muted mid-single digits constant currency and I think you were hoping for more flattish previously. Are some of these deals not getting closed in the current quarter and/or are there share loss issues or the deals not going forward? It just seems the objectives have contracted more than a few deal push-outs. If you could just elaborate. And I have a follow-up, please.

John Michael Lawrie

Management

Yes, the miss was primarily, as I said, due to not closing as much business in the quarter and then being able to bill it, and some of that was in our consulting business. And once you lose billable hours in a quarter, you don't recoup them the next quarter. They're gone. So it's not a share issue per se, it is -- you only have x amount of capacity. And when you lose that billing capacity in the quarter, you don't recoup it. Yes, there are some deals that also shifted out, and it's unclear whether they'll close and bill in the fourth quarter or they could be pushed out a little further. And then one of the things that we encountered this quarter, when I look back on it, it was there before, we just didn't focus on it, is we -- we've begun to have some issues with being able to recruit and on-board some of the skills that we need for work that is already under contract, so projects that have been signed but require some very specific and specialized skills that we have had a little more difficulty of recent being able to recruit. I think this is a result of a much tighter labor market, and we've made some adjustments. As I said, we've made some adjustments in terms of salary that we are offering and those kinds of things, but there's no question that, that had some impact on us, and we expect that impact to continue. The other things we continue, we continue to restructure, particularly some of our GIS contracts, which will continue to move forward. And finally, this is probably a longer answer than you wanted, but the apps modernization work has gotten -- it's been slower than what we had thought, number one, and that's primarily due to we're doing smaller apps modernization projects to start, and then they begin to grow. So that's not, again, a share loss, it is more of a timing issue.

Keith F. Bachman - BMO Capital Markets Canada

Analyst

Okay, got it. Got it. Then maybe my follow-up, if I could address to you, Paul. In NPS, the operating margin was once again very, very strong, and I'm just wondering about sustainability. Was there any unusual items associated with that operating margin and/or I know you were -- suggested that the margin should be double digits. But if there weren't any unusual items, why wouldn't it stay at these type of levels? It's been strong for 2, 3 quarters now.

Paul N. Saleh

Management

Yes. No, there's no unusual items in our NPS margins. But as you'll recall, about 40% or 50% of our business is cost allotment [ph], so some of the savings that we generate, we pass along to our customers in a form of a lower COG. And so longer term, we expect the margins in that business, as a result of our labor strategy, to be in the low-double digits.

John Michael Lawrie

Management

The other thing I'd just mention here, Paul, is that we're -- we've really made a lot of progress on our cost structure in NPS, and it led us to make the decision here to put more money into bid and proposal. We manage bid and proposal money pretty carefully, and we're putting more money into NPS because, with this improved cost structure, frankly, we can price more competitively and go after a little share. And this is different. I -- frankly, in all candor here, I expected the commercial business, revenue-wise, to do a little better than it's doing and NPS to do a little worse. NPS is doing a little better, so we are rotating now and putting some more bid and proposal money in that business so that we can go after that opportunity.

Operator

Operator

At this time, we'll take a question from Tien-tsin Huang with JPMorgan. Tien-tsin Huang - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: I guess just a follow-up, Mike, on that comment around recruiting. Is that in reference to on-site, offshore or both? And I guess, what's the remedy there? Is it simply just paying more for staff? Just trying to understand the remediation effort.

John Michael Lawrie

Management

Yes. So let me give you an example, because I think an example is the best way of describing it. So we were, this quarter, in a major rollout with an insurance company that required some very specific skills, RPG. And RPG is not a programming language where a lot of people are learning it today, so there's a finite supply. And we had difficulty recruiting and getting those people on-boarded in time to be able to bill all the work that was under contract in the quarter. Now 1 of the ways that we -- 2 ways were sought -- 3 ways were sought. Part of it is execution. So it's a matter of focusing week in and week out on what positions are open, how many people are in the interview process, how many people are being on-boarded, how is the training going; that's all execution and yields to a better discipline. The other is we've reached out to our partners that have access to skills that we may not have access to. In this case, we used ACL to help us backfill some of those skills. And then third, we've adjusted some of our starting salaries to make sure that we are competitive with other offers that these people have because sometimes they've got 2 or 3 offers that they have to choose between, so part of this is to make CSC a little more attractive amongst those competitive offers. So those -- that's a classic example, but there are many of those examples that occurred more in the third quarter than what we had anticipated. And that's why I said, Tien-tsin, that it was, to some extent, we have to take the responsibility for an execution issue. It's not a market issue, it's not a contract issue, it's not a demand issue; it is an execution issue. Tien-tsin Huang - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: That makes sense. That makes sense, it's helpful. So just as my follow-up quickly, the book-to-bill in commercial was good, above 1 here. So is that what's driving the confidence in the sequential improvement in the fourth quarter for commercial, or is there something else? I just wanted to clarify.

John Michael Lawrie

Management

Yes, that. Yes, that and I think we will not have some of the execution missteps. I mean again, I'm being very candid here, I blame some of this on our execution and we have put some processes in place. For example, in hiring, we now go through this weekly. I know exactly how many positions are open on a worldwide basis every week and what the pipeline is, where the interviews process is. Those are issues that you can fix, and that's what gives us some confidence that we won't have some of those same execution gaps as we progress through the fourth quarter.

Operator

Operator

At this time, we'll take a question from James Friedman with Susquehanna.

James E. Friedman - Susquehanna Financial Group, LLLP, Research Division

Analyst

It's Jamie at Susquehanna. Paul, you had mentioned in your comments that, over time, your low-cost labor delivery on the GIS side could move to 60% from 35%. I was wondering what we should infer about the operating margin trajectory from that transition.

Paul N. Saleh

Management

I think there's a lot of upside for us across the world. It comes in 2 ways. Not only is it the offshoring of -- and it doesn't have -- the offshoring to low-cost markets, it could be in in-shoring to low-cost markets even for GIS. And then the other thing is fixing our pyramid. We still have a great opportunity to just address that, particularly in the lower part of the pyramid, in the 0 to 3 years of experience. And so those 2 things could have several hundred million dollars of opportunity across the board, not only in GIS but also in GBS.

James E. Friedman - Susquehanna Financial Group, LLLP, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then I wanted to ask you about one of the slides, I think it's Slide -- yes, Slide 15, where you iterate the cost takeout and the reinvestment. So I guess my question is how should we think about the balance between these 2 over time? Is there some point where the reinvestment's steady and the spread expands?

John Michael Lawrie

Management

Yes, I think that's a good assumption. I mean the key point here is that although we are still making a lot of progress on cost takeout, and let me tell you it's important because with commercial revenue declining, these cost takeout measures that we've put in place have been absolutely critical to being able to get margin expansion and profit improvement. Now the good news, it was there to get. But the point I'm making is we're not just taking those actions. At the same time, we are investing in new offerings. The work that we're doing on our ServiceMesh, our Agility Platform to get that integrated into things like Amazon Web Services and some of the work we're doing with Microsoft. Sales, we're continuing to invest in sales and sales support, so that we get broader coverage out there to drive these offerings into the marketplace. Our investment with AT&T is really beginning to yield some fantastic benefits. I think I mentioned in my comments, over $300 million of incremental TCV, and we think more to come. So the point is we are not just saving money by cutting cost to drive improved profitability. We're reinvesting in the business so that we can ultimately drive some revenue performance and revenue growth, as well as margin expansion, and that takes investment and it takes investment today. And the one lesson I've learned here is there is a longer lead time from making some of those investments and actually seeing that show up particularly in the revenue and the profit line. MyWorkStyle, a great example, I mean, where we feel really good about, and we're starting to get a lot of traction in the marketplace. But it takes a long time from investing in an offering that is robust enough to take out into the commercial marketplace and then the lag time to get that into a delivery cadence where you can actually build the revenue. The same goes for cloud. The same thing goes for Storage as a Service. So all of these new offerings take longer than what I anticipate. That's my fault. That's my problem, in that I didn't quite figure out those relationships until recently. But we're continuing to invest, will continue to invest, and yes, I think it will be more of an even spread quarter-by-quarter as we go forward.

Operator

Operator

Next question will be from Darrin Peller with Barclays.

Darrin D. Peller - Barclays Capital, Research Division

Analyst

I really just want to jump in on the restructuring of the contracts you've been doing with -- within GIS and where we kind of stand on that. It's been something that obviously you've talked about since you've really taken the helm. And maybe talk a little more about sort of whatever -- any other headwinds that are still in the model and sort of potential timing on anniversary-ing those. Maybe that's a good way for us to think about it because that will obviously allow for those more growthy initiatives to take over and so the growth potential of the company. So I guess, number one, are you doing any more -- has there been any more contracts that you've identified that need restructuring in GIS? And then, number two, maybe on the consulting side, where do we stand in terms of timing-wise when you think that actually turns positive?

John Michael Lawrie

Management

Yes, I -- so let's just take consulting first. Consulting, I think, suffered from some execution issues in the third quarter. And that's what I just talked about because some of those projects actually rolled up through the consulting business. So there were some execution issues in consulting which I don't anticipate persisting forever. On GIS, we've said this before, but there's probably a 2% or 3% headwind every year just with price downs that are built into the contracts. The other thing that -- in that business is there's still a lot of labor manual costs associated with that business. And the way to expand margins as we go forward is not only moving some of that work to low-cost locations and Paul's gone through that I think quite adequately, but also the automation of a lot of those tests. And that automation will, in some instances, require us to work with each client to understand which task can be automated, make sure they're in agreement. I've said this over and over again; we are doing this account-by-account. We're not just letting water out of the pool, but we're doing this account-by-account. The reason for that is to maintain the customer goodwill. I don't know if we mentioned this, but in our third quarter, we had our final customer sat results, which was done by an independent firm. We saw a significant increase in our customer satisfaction in our commercial accounts, also in NPS, but most notably in commercial, and in a lot of the GIS contracts where we have done this very tailored account-by-account approach. So I think there are going to be headwinds in this business for as long as you can see. The question is, is how do you manage those headwinds and then the new offerings that come in behind that. And we'll have to cross-sell, so we'll have to do and sell more of the full set of CSC offerings in those accounts because, again, as we've said before, when you move some of the existing infrastructure to the new infrastructure like cloud, like Storage as a Service, there is some cannibalization in that business as well. So you've got to restructure these accounts through automation, through shifting workload and by cannibalizing yourself to get to a more agile, leaner infrastructure. And that has to be set -- offset by driving new logos, which I'm very pleased, again, we had 100 new logos in the quarter, because they can grow, and by cross-sell. Those are the dynamics that we work within the business going forward.

Darrin D. Peller - Barclays Capital, Research Division

Analyst

All right, that's helpful. Just one quick follow-up, then I'll turn it back over. But on the capital return side, I know you mentioned it was somewhat lower this quarter. I think you bought back 200 -- what was it, 0.2 million shares. Just what was the strategy around that? And maybe -- I might have missed it on the prepared remarks. And then maybe talk a little more about your strategy, now, you're obviously much better off where you -- than where you were a year ago on the -- on your capital level -- on your debt level rather, and cash for that matter.

Paul N. Saleh

Management

Yes. We've been in the market on a regular basis. If you look at this year -- year-to-date, we've returned over $600 million to our shareholders. This quarter, the third quarter, we -- by the time we reported our earnings, we were not able to get into -- in the market because of the ongoing discussions that we had for a settlement with the SEC. And this is now behind us, and we will -- again, we've said that we are committed to returning to the market and to return capital to our shareholders.

Operator

Operator

At this time, we'll take a question from Moshe Katri with Cowen.

Moshe Katri - Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

So a couple of questions. First, Paul, I think you've missed -- the top line miss was about $230 million. So if I'm trying to kind of slice it here, $65 million came from FX headwinds, is that correct?

Paul N. Saleh

Management

About -- yes, about $70 million came in from currency.

Moshe Katri - Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. So you have about $160 million, $170 million that came from a combination of execution and delays and a bunch of other things. Can you kind of...

John Michael Lawrie

Management

Exactly. That was the number I focused on. I said $150 million below the targets that we had set for ourselves. I'd sort of missed out the...

Moshe Katri - Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. So can we kind of slice these in terms of how much some of these issues on the recruiting front kind of cost you during the quarter? And again, it's kind of ironic, you guys have been focusing on building up your pipeline and then, all of a sudden, you can't execute it, because you don't have the right bench. So based on what you're saying, should we assume that you've been able to succeed?

John Michael Lawrie

Management

I wouldn't draw that conclusion. So we had -- let's just stick with the $150 million. About $60 million to $70 million of that was due to things that were not closed in the quarter and billed. And that's not all execution, some of that has to do with customers deciding to wait or do something else, so that's not all execution. But nevertheless, think of this as about half was due to that. The skills probably -- don't hold me exactly to this number, is probably a range, but I'd say somewhere in the neighborhood of $25 million to $40 million was we just didn't get on top of some of the skills issues as quickly as we wanted to. And then there was probably somewhere in the neighborhood of $10 million to $20 million in delays. And when I say delays, this is projects that we expect -- they've already been closed, that we expected to begin to bill this quarter, but, in most instances, the customer actually didn't want to start until later in the fourth quarter. And then there was also some execution issues around revenue recognition where we didn't have the right paperwork and we couldn't recognize the revenue. That also is a sales leadership or execution issue. So that's how that $150 million in broad buckets breaks out.

Moshe Katri - Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

All right. And then, again, going back to the recruiting issue, based on what you're saying, has that been fixed? Is that also a function of having the right recruiting engine out there to be able to get the right people?

John Michael Lawrie

Management

I think it's a combination effect. It's, yes, having the right people out there. But the bulk of it is really understanding week to week what skills you need and then the discipline around ensuring that you've got not only adequate recruiting, but you've identified people, you get offers out the door, you get those people tested, you get a firm offer to them. Those are things that yield to discipline and strong management oversight. And again, in my mind, they can be corrected, and that's the new process that we've put in place to address some of those.

Moshe Katri - Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

All right. Last question, what gives you the comfort that you can actually fix the consulting business, because that's been having execution issues again and again?

John Michael Lawrie

Management

Yes, I think, I have -- now we have what I'd call sort of an existence tier up here. So we have really sort of made the full transition in the U.K. And there, we are seeing very strong uptake in not only demand, but then closing that demand and fulfilling that demand. And that was where we had the biggest problems 2 years ago and where we've now really sort of not completed, but far along in that process. We've seen some improvement also from a process standpoint in Australia. And where we've got the most work to do is in the United States. That's where we've got the biggest hurdle yet to climb. So I have absolutely no doubt that, that business can be fixed, given the performance we're seeing in other parts of the world where we've implemented our new plan.

Operator

Operator

At this time, we'll take a question from Jason Kupferberg with Jefferies.

Amit Singh - Jefferies LLC, Research Division

Analyst

This is Amit Singh for Jason. Just quickly continuing on the revenue growth expectation. What -- I mean, it seems like a lot of issues can be fixed by the CSC management themselves. As you are looking forward, when can we expect that inflection point to come in the top line growth that it can turn positive and stay in that territory? Because if I'm looking at the bookings right now, your NPS bookings over the last 2 quarters on an LTM basis have been down on -- in high 20% range. And then commercial booking, it was good this quarter, but I guess you had some pushback from last quarter into this quarter. So I'm just trying to get a sense, okay, when is that positive growth going to come? Can we see that in 2016?

John Michael Lawrie

Management

I don't really know to tell you the truth. I think the first step is to begin to see some sequential growth and to see that repeat over a number of quarters. I think the second key metric for me is to see us close some more of this new offering business and begin to execute and bill that. That's why some of these wins that I highlighted this quarter are critical because that is sort of the existence case. So there's BlueScope Steel, for example. It's a fantastic example of not selling just an infrastructure offering, but selling infrastructure with cyber, with apps modernization and network services. And that's where we're going. And what's in front of us is the ability to excel and close more of those and get those into a billable mode. The pipeline is growing. And so I keep talking about the pipeline because the pipeline is growing around those things. But exactly when that inflection point is, I don't -- if I knew it, I'd tell you, but I don't know. But the signs are all, in my view, are pointing in the right direction with the investments we've made and how they're beginning to pay off.

Amit Singh - Jefferies LLC, Research Division

Analyst

All right, perfect. And just one clarification, on the pension charges and the SEC settlement-related charges, should we expect anything in fourth quarter, or all that has gone through your P&L this quarter?

Paul N. Saleh

Management

I think in the pension, there will be probably another measurement period at the end of the year for across all of our plans. And as far as the SEC matter is related, I think that's -- it was in the Q3, we should not have anything else left there.

Operator

Operator

Your last question will be from Jim Schneider with Goldman Sachs.

James Schneider - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Not to beat a dead horse on the revenue side in commercial but, I guess, to put it in a different way, if you look over the next couple of quarters, it sounds like you have confidence that the execution issues will be fixed. But do you have confidence that, at least, you won't have a worse rate of revenue decline on a year-over-year basis if you look out a couple of quarters than you posted this quarter?

John Michael Lawrie

Management

I think that, that begins to moderate. And as I said, the first point is to get some sequential growth. Right now, we see sequential growth in the fourth quarter, not a lot, but we see sequential growth. We'll see whether or not we can execute against that. So that, to me, is the first sign as you begin to see some sequential growth. And this looks to me a lot like what NPS looked like a year ago, is we didn't exactly know when that term was going to come. In retrospect, it looks like the term came towards the end of last fiscal year and then began to recover. We showed some sequential growth and then this quarter, we showed some year-over-year growth. And that may -- I'm not saying that is going to continue each quarter because it'll be a little up and down and bumpy, but that's what I'm looking for, is that trend with commercial revenue. We saw some commercial revenue growth early in the year, then we didn't see it. So I -- that's what I want to see, is that sequential growth and the continued billing around some of our new offerings, and then I'll get very confident that we can begin to deliver reasonable performance in the commercial business. And as I said, what we're doing is continuing from a productivity standpoint, cost takeout standpoint, so that we can continue to drive margin expansion and good profitability. And if I look at the geography, probably the biggest issue for us right now is the Americas. I think I mentioned I put a new management team and leader in the Americas towards the end of the second quarter, early part of the third quarter, beginning to see some improvement there with the discipline and the execution capacity. Because our other regions are showing some reasonable signs, but the United States is so big that until you get that moving in the right direction, because of its size, it's offsetting a lot of the gains that we're seeing in the other regions. So I break this down and you think about the execution, you got to think about this as largely a United States issue. And there, we've made some changes, and I do expect those changes and the discipline to begin to take hold as we get into subsequent quarters here.

James Schneider - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then as a follow-up, if you look at -- started thinking about the fiscal '16 and your cost takeout and what that might look like, can you maybe comment on, at a high level, will that gross cost takeout number would be directionally up or down? And maybe if you can't do that, can you maybe talk about some of your biggest priorities in terms of cost takeout as we look over the next few quarters?

Paul N. Saleh

Management

Okay. Well, we thought -- we mentioned some of them already on our call, which is -- it's labor, the workforce optimization, looking at the pyramiding in each of the regions, looking also at our blend of labor in low-cost markets. That's going to be what we're going to be focusing on. We still have also opportunities in our G&A functions to take additional steps to rightsize the G&A functions overall. And then we do still, every year, expect additional savings from our procurement initiatives, our real estate consolidations that we have taken. And so those things will add to the cost takeout benefits that we anticipate for next year.

George Price

Management

All right. Thank you, all, very much for joining us. And we'll talk to you next quarter.