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Dynex Capital, Inc. (DX)

Q2 2018 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 3, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Virgil, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Dynex Capital Inc. Second Quarter 2018 Earnings Results and Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Alison Griffin you may begin your conference.

Alison Griffin

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. This is Alison Griffin, Vice President, Investor Relations for Dynex. Thank you for joining us. I have with me on the call today Byron Boston, President and CEO; Smriti Popenoe, our EVP and CIO; and Steve Benedetti, EVP, CFO and COO. The press release associated with today's call was issued and filed with the SEC this morning, August 2, 2018. You may view the press release on the homepage of the Dynex website at dynexcapital.com as well as on the SEC's website at sec.gov. Before we begin, we wish to remind you that this conference call may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The words believe, expect, forecast, anticipates, estimate, project, plan and similar expressions identify forward-looking statements that are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties, some of which cannot be predicted or quantified. The Company's actual results and timing of certain events could differ considerably from those projected and/or contemplated by those forward-looking statements as a result of unforeseen external factors or risks. For additional information on these factors or risks, please refer to the annual report on Form 10-K for the period ending December 31, 2017 as filed with the SEC. This document may be found on our website, under Investor Center, as well as on the SEC website. This call is being broadcast live over the Internet with a streaming slide presentation, which can be found through a webcast link on the homepage of the Dynex Capital website. The slide presentation may also be referenced under Quarterly Reports on the Investor Center page on the website. I now have the pleasure of turning the call over to CEO, Byron Boston.

Byron Boston

Analyst

Good morning. Thank you, Alison and thank you, all, for joining our call this morning. It is important to us this morning that you understand the core tenants [ph] of our investment thesis. We will be repeating thoughts that we have shared with you before, but we want to make sure all our investors have a clear understanding of how we are managing our business today. As you can see, we have been able to continue to pay an $0.18 dividend. You should also see that we continue to earn a solid stream of net interest income and you should also see that we have not deployed all of our capital to-date and we are maintaining flexibility to invest better returns in the future. Our positions reflect our current macro views which I will explain before I first go over the results for the second quarter. Please turn to Slide 3. In general, we had a steady [indiscernible] quarter. As I mentioned, we maintained our dividend of $0.18, we earned $0.18 in core net operating income, but we have small book value decline of 2%. These results actually produce a total economic return of $0.04 per share or 0.6%. When considering our results, let me remind you of the euro/dollar contracts we used to hedge our financing this year. The usual dollars for flexibility with timing of hedges for the year 2018, we have a series of contracts totaling 650 million notional [indiscernible] that expire in March, June and September 2018 respectively. Year-to-date, these contracts have had a favorable impact of $2.1 million on comprehensive income. That directly offset increases in financing cost related to bet height [ph] and we expect them to continue to do so. Our leverage temporary decreased at the end of the quarter as we sold…

Operator

Operator

Certainly. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Christopher Nolan from Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst

Byron, the leverage ratios are down this quarter. Where do you think they would be heading in the second half of the year?

Byron Boston

Analyst

We've been able to maintain for the last, I think, year and-a-half interim of mid-sixes in terms of leveraging. We've continued to generate our income at that level. We talk actually about a year and-a-half ago, Chris, we mentioned that we've got the ability to take our leverage up in one term. We've chosen not to and it reflects our macro opinion and we've encouraged our leverage slightly this quarter as we redeploy the capital and we're maintaining flexibility. We have the option to increase, but we've been able to generate an appropriate return at this level and we've been satisfied at this point.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst

And I guess my follow up is on TBAs. Right now the TBAs are roughly 25% of your total assets, which look like necessarily up the limit of what you'd go to. Are you seeing improved economics of TBAs relative to balance sheet financing or not this quarter? You've seen the economic advantage of using off balance sheet vehicles less.

Smriti Popenoe

Analyst

That actually fluctuates. The attractiveness of TBAs at the moment is actually less than owning pools and we do manage that very actively in terms of flipping out of the TBAs and into pools as we see the financing and the TBAs deteriorate versus arm balance sheet financing. That 25% should shift up and down through the quarter.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst

Great. Okay. Thanks for taking my questions.

Smriti Popenoe

Analyst

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Trevor Cranston from JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Trevor Cranston

Analyst

Hi. Thanks. Question following up on your comments about the benefits of having a diversified portfolio, compared to your completely on residential or commercial assets. Could you comment on how you guys are thinking about as long as agency or RMBS remain the most attractive investment for you in terms of returns? How large of a portion of the overall portfolio are you guys willing to make that? Thanks.

Byron Boston

Analyst

I don't know that we have said an exact amount or how large we will go. Part of the issue, Trevor, that will be how important will those for certain cash flow to the commercials be to us, given the environment that will unfold in front of us. Clearly, volatility plays a role in this and then the most volatile environments, we're really happy to have the commercial security and most of all we're happy to have the commercial security in the least volatile [ph] be happy to take a little more yield of the residential security. It will vary. It will vary because as I look out into the future, it's more difficult to predict exactly how, what scenario will play out in front of us. The volatility definitively play a role in making decisions. Smriti, you want to add anything?

Smriti Popenoe

Analyst

No.

Trevor Cranston

Analyst

Okay. And then second question, can you guys quantify how much benefit there was in the second quarter from the spread between LIBOR and REPO funding cost?

Smriti Popenoe

Analyst

I can give you an estimate, Trevor. I think that number again was about a penny to a penny and-a-half.

Trevor Cranston

Analyst

Okay.

Smriti Popenoe

Analyst

That, we believe as we are thinking and planning about the future that that spread actually came down from the first quarter, into the second quarter and it's stabilizing right around here to maybe slightly tighter as we think about the next two quarters.

Trevor Cranston

Analyst

Great. That's helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of David Walrod from Jones Trading. Please go ahead.

David Walrod

Analyst

Your core income number does not include the economic impact of your dollar position. Is there any way for you to give us some idea of what the economic impact of that was this quarter?

Steve Benedetti

Analyst

Hey, Dave. It's Steve. It was within comprehensive income. It was $200,000 this quarter.

David Walrod

Analyst

Okay.

Steve Benedetti

Analyst

It's $2.1 million year-to-date.

David Walrod

Analyst

All right. Thanks.

Steve Benedetti

Analyst

The fluctuation in that will be because those are based on market-to-market of those positions. So as the market fluctuates, that's what's recorded in our total economic return and comprehensive income effectively.

David Walrod

Analyst

Okay, great. And then just curious, what was the increase in legal expenses?

Steve Benedetti

Analyst

We've disclosed in our Q, there's an action that's been around for a long, long time. It's picked up a little bit in terms of things that we'd have to do to respond to things that the plaintiffs are doing and it's just cost of those types of activities is what happened this quarter.

David Walrod

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Doug Harter from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Byron, given the positioning of the portfolio, are you more worried about rates rising or a fall in rates in current levels?

Byron Boston

Analyst

That's an interesting question and I appreciate you asking. Let me use that example I just talked about with the Italian situation. We watched interest yields rise to about 3-10 through 3-12 and everyone below believe it was about as bearish as you can get. And then you suddenly had the new -- that there may be a breakdown in the Italian government forming and you suddenly had a 32 basis point drop in rates. The definition of the environment in my opinion is best defined by surprises are highly probably. I do believe that rates can rise given the economic environment. They could get there if everything goes perfectly. But what has been shown is there are multiple global factors that can shift and change the level of rates in a nanosecond. That's one of the tougher challenges today. That's why we like the liquidity and that's why you won't hear me -- you wouldn't have been around, but if you've heard me 14 years ago, in 2004, I was pounding a table outright bearish and the fed was [indiscernible] credit at that point. Very difficult to take that strong of a stand today because we're very vulnerable to rapid movements in both directions in interest rates. But if you sit here and everything goes perfectly as many people have projected and there is growth in the global economy and nothing really happens globally and everything stays calm, my guess is you could have a rise of rates. That will then create a situation of putting a downward pressure in global growth because you have so much debt globally that will create a move back down in rates. That's how we think we're managing an environment. It's not as simple as -- I can think rates may go up for a day, two days. You're very subject to surprises. We're managing a volatile environment, volatility is low, but subject to rapid movements.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. Thanks for the comments.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I will turn the call back over to the presenters.

Byron Boston

Analyst

Thank you so much for joining us today. We will look forward to chatting with you again in three months on our third quarter conference call. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may now disconnect.