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Devon Energy Corporation (DVN)

Q3 2012 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 7, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to Devon Energy Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] This call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Vince White, Senior Vice President of Communications and Investor Relations. Sir, you may begin.

Vincent W. White

Analyst · those would be very helpful

Thank you, operator, and good morning, everybody. Welcome to today's third quarter 2012 earnings call and webcast. Today's call will follow our usual format. After I make a few preliminary comments, I'll turn the call over to our President and CEO, John Richels. He will provide the overview of the third quarter and his thoughts on the upcoming quarter and year ahead; then Dave Hager, the Head of Exploration and Production, will provide the operations update; and following that, our CFO, Jeff Agosta, will finish up with a review of our financial results and an updated outlook. After Jeff's discussion, we'll have a Q&A session. Our Executive Chairman, Larry Nichols; as well as Darryl Smette, the Head of Marketing, Midstream and Supply Chain, are both with us today to help out in the Q&A. And as usual, we'll keep the call to about an hour. A replay of this call will be available later today on our website. During the call today, we're going to provide an update of some of our forward-looking estimates based on the actual results that we've seen over the first 9 months of the year and our revised outlook for the fourth quarter. In addition to these updates, we will file an 8-K later today containing the details of the updated fourth quarter estimates. To access this guidance, you can just click on the guidance link found in the Investor Relations section of our website. Please note that all references today to our plans, forecast, expectations and future estimates are forward-looking statements under U.S. securities law. And while we always try to give you the very best information possible, there are many factors that could cause our actual results to differ from those estimates. You can find a discussion of risk factors related to our estimates in our Form 10-K. Also, in today's call, we'll refer to certain non-GAAP performance measures. When we use these measures, we're required to provide related disclosures which are available on Devon's website. During the third quarter, we recorded a non-cash property impairment charge of $1.1 billion or about $700 million after-tax. This charge resulted primarily from the lower natural gas prices over the last 12 months. And under full cost accounting rules, the carrying cost of our oil and gas properties is subject to a quarterly ceiling test. I just want to clarify that this write-down was simply an accounting exercise and is not reflective of the fair value of our assets. It does not relate to any specific reserves. It also has no impact on our cash flow or cash balances nor our credit agreements. It's worth noting that this charge is not unique to Devon. Beginning last quarter, that is the second quarter of 2012 and extending into the third quarter, several companies in our peer group have taken impairment charges. With that out of the way, I'll turn the call over to John Richels.

John Richels

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Thank you, Vince, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us this morning. First of all, the organic conversion of our asset portfolio to a higher oil waiting remains on track as evidenced by our continued growth in oil production. We continue to invest the majority of our capital in high-margin North American oil projects. Over time, these high rate of return projects, combined with the greater capital efficiency that's provided by our joint venture structures, should result in superior growth of cash flow per share adjusted for debt. Devon's third quarter performance reflects our continuing progress towards this goal, so let me give you a few highlights of the quarter. Driven by better-than-expected price realizations and low overall unit cost, adjusted earnings per share and cash flow per share for the quarter came in well above the mean Street estimates. Company-wide oil production increased 14% over the third quarter of 2011, and this was achieved in spite of scheduled plant maintenance at our Jackfish 1 Oil Sands project. Jackfish 1 maintenance reduced third quarter oil production by about 10,000 barrels per day. Without the impact of the Jackfish turnaround, oil production would have increased more than 20% over the year ago quarter. Our U.S. oil production, which is our highest margin product, grew 26% in the third quarter, and that was driven largely by our success in the Permian Basin. With the expansion of our Gulf Coast Fractionators facility now complete, our midstream business resumed full operations in the third quarter, and our marketing midstream operating profit reached $109 million, and that's right at the top end of our guidance range. Devon also delivered strong performance from a cost containment perspective. Third quarter 2012 pretax cash cost per BOE declined 2% from the second quarter, and our recent decision…

David A. Hager

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Thanks, John. Good morning, everyone. Before we get to the highlights of the quarter, I'll begin with a quick recap of 2012 capital expenditures for our exploration and development activities. E&P spending was $1.7 billion for the third quarter, bringing E&P capital through the first 9 months to $5.3 billion. We expect fourth quarter expenditures for exploration and development to be approximately $1.7 billion, pushing us outside the top end of our full year guidance range by roughly $400 million. Roughly half of this increase is a result of capturing more acreage than previously budgeted in Permian, Mississippian and other oil-focused plays. The balance is related to accelerated activity to evaluate and build out infrastructure on our Mississippian acreages outside of the Sinopec JV. Of course, the $1.3 billion in cash that we've received this year as a result of the JV is not netted against capital expenditures for reporting purposes. Moving now to area-by-area highlights, starting in the Permian, our Permian production averaged a record 65,100 barrels of oil equivalent per day in the third quarter, up 30% over the third quarter of 2011. Looking specifically at our Permian oil production, it grew by 35% over the same period, with light oil now accounting for nearly 60% of our total Permian volumes. We continue to be very active in the basin with 20 operated rigs focused on drilling higher return oil opportunities. Our Bone Spring horizontal program in New Mexico continues to yield excellent results. We have 6 rigs currently running in the play. In the third quarter, we brought 18 Bone Spring wells online, with average 30-day IP rates of 565 barrels of oil equivalent per day, 80% of which is light oil. We've been very active in the Bone Springs over the past couple of years drilling…

Jeffrey A. Agosta

Analyst · those would be very helpful

Thanks, Dave. Good morning, everyone. This morning, I will take you through a brief review of our third quarter results and the impact on our outlook for the upcoming quarter. The first item I will cover is production. Our third quarter production totaled 62.4 million oil equivalent barrels or 678,000 BOE per day. This represents a 3% increase compared to the same period last year. The oil side of our business delivered most of our year-over-year growth, outpacing the decline in natural gas. In total, oil production increased 14% over the third quarter of 2011 to an average of 143,000 barrels per day, once again strong year-over-year growth in our Permian and Jackfish project areas drove the performance. Looking ahead to the fourth quarter, we expect to continue growing our oil with average daily production approaching 150,000 barrels per day. This implies 2012 oil production growth of almost 20% over last year. We expect to achieve this in spite of the impact from the Jackfish 1 turnaround of about 10,000 barrels per day and the delays in the ramp-up of Jackfish 2 that Dave discussed. On the gas side, downtime at third-party facilities during the fourth quarter, the impact of the 2011 Cana drilling program that Dave discussed and the underperformance of a Cotton Valley Taylor development program that we are no longer pursuing, will result in a decline in our fourth quarter natural gas production of about 3% compared to third quarter. Net-net, we now expect company-wide production of oil, gas and NGLs to be essentially flat with this year's third quarter at 670,000 to 680,000 BOE per day. Now for a brief review of our revenues. In the third quarter, production growth along with improved Canadian heavy oil realizations and higher natural gas prices drove our upstream revenue…

Vincent W. White

Analyst · those would be very helpful

Operator, we're ready for the first question. Operator?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And the first question comes from the line of Doug Leggate from Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Douglas George Blyth Leggate - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

I wonder if I could ask you, I don't know if you're going to be able to provide a lot of detail on this, but the rig allocation that you have currently, I wonder if you could maybe give us a quick summary as to where you are now. But more importantly, given John's comments about spending being substantially lower next year, I wonder if you could give us an early stear as to how you expect activity to be allocated across your plays next year. Obviously, I'm anticipating it's 100% on liquids again, given the new acreage areas and the success you've had. I'm just trying to get an idea as to how that's going to shake out. And I have got a follow-up, please.

David A. Hager

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Sure, Doug. This is Dave Hager. I'll give you an idea for where the rigs are right now and where they'll be next year. It will be just a summary comment before I go into all the numbers. I wouldn't expect a great deal of difference, but we are going to continue to ramp up the Permian activity next year. We're going to be very active in the Mississippian next year. So we have 2 very high-quality oil plays there, and we're going to -- you will see some increases there. But everything else I think would be fairly static with where we are. But to complete the picture for where we are right now, we currently have 20 rigs working in the Permian. Of those 20, about 9 are working in the Bone Springs and Delaware plays, about 5 in the Wolfcamp Shale and the Cline Shale combined, 3 in the Wolfberry and 3 in the Central Basin Platform. We have 10 rigs working in the Barnett, 7 rigs working in Cana, and we'll probably ramp that back up a little bit more next year also. Mississippian, as we said, we have 13 rigs working there. We have a total of 7 rigs working in what we call our southern division, and that includes the work we're currently finishing up in Ohio and Michigan, 3 doing Canadian exploration, 3 doing Granite Wash, and we had mentioned, we're going to be going up to 4 rigs there with the success of our Hogshooter program. 4 in the Rockies, 1 in Lloydminster and 1 other doing conventional work in Canada, for a total of 69 rigs.

John Richels

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

And Doug, it's John. Just let me put a little bit more color around what Dave said and reflect back to what I was saying earlier. We are going to be cutting back. We do expect our 2013 CapEx program to be cut back but because of the impact of the JVs and the additional capital that comes from those joint ventures, our activity levels, as Dave said, will stay pretty high.

David A. Hager

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

And the substantial part of the cutback is going to be on the leasehold side, not the drilling side. So we're going to be very active on the drilling side.

Douglas George Blyth Leggate - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Got it. I appreciate that detail. I guess my follow-up is kind of related, and it really comes then to capital allocation and how you think about this very long term. Some of your competitors have talked about they are prepared to allow gas production to slide next year. I'm thinking specifically of EOG and Chesapeake. And on the other hand, if we look at where you're allocating capital outside of the U.S., and obviously, the lower 48 is going pretty well, but Canadian differentials continue to be under pressure and if you listen to what the refiners are saying, they're anticipating that is going to stay that way for quite a while. So I'm just kind of wondering as to now that you -- you've had the exploration success in the lower 48, how do you see balancing capital between Canada, particularly longer term on Pike relative to accelerating the lower 48 until things shake out in terms of where those differentials are going to be because obviously, it's a number we are trying to get our heads around to what is sustainable going forward by way of differentials?

John Richels

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Well, Doug, in Canada, as you are probably aware, we are not spending a large amount or not allocating a large amount of our capital into areas -- into the conventional. We had very little activity there. And so almost all of our expenditures in Canada have been towards these heavy oil projects. And as you know, they are very, very long term in nature. So for example, Jackfish 3, I think Dave mentioned, we're about 47% completed or 45% completed on that. That's going to continue over the next couple of years. And as we move into Pike, we'll do our detailed engineering and won't even start that for over a year. And so we're really taking a much, much longer view on that than where the differentials may be over the next couple of years. So I think that we're pretty committed to that program in Canada. We really think that the heavy oil program in Canada -- we really think that Pike and Jackfish are in a very, very good part of the Oil Sands where we can have very good results over time. We will continue to allocate some significant funding to that.

Douglas George Blyth Leggate - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Then on gas drilling, on the production network, if you can care to give a few words about that.

John Richels

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Yes, and on the gas side, yes, we're really focusing on the higher-margin products. And so where we're drilling gas, we're drilling liquids-rich gas, trying to drill in the areas where those liquids are -- the ones that are providing the best returns. And if that drops off our gas a little bit, then we're not -- that doesn't concern us.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Dave Kistler from Simmons & Company. David W. Kistler - Simmons & Company International, Research Division: Probably a bit early to be asking this with the election just behind us, but can you give us kind of latest thoughts or kind of plans with respect to repatriation of capital? And maybe even in the past, you've talked about divestitures of this Canadian assets that it sounds like you might be moving to development programs. So color on both of those would be very helpful.

Jeffrey A. Agosta

Analyst · those would be very helpful

Well, Dave, this is Jeff Agosta. I'll take a crack at the first one there about the repatriation. As we've said repeatedly that we will wait to see how the legislation process plays out. I think that it's prudent to see how any compromise gets made with Congress and the Administration on the tax front. So we're still hopeful that we get some rational tax legislation out of our government, and it's prudent to wait. And I think it's also important to note that our financial flexibility is not at all impeded by that. We're able to borrow in the current short-term markets at very attractive rates. So it just makes sense to wait it out.

John Richels

Analyst · those would be very helpful

And on the other side, Dave -- on your other question, we've been -- we're very open to everything that's going to create value. I think we always we have been. We've never been shy about that. We've taken some bold moves, and so we're always looking at ways to increase value. So I can't tell you anything specific, but we're looking at all of our assets and making sure that we manage them in a way that over time creates the most value. David W. Kistler - Simmons & Company International, Research Division: Great. I appreciate that. And then this kind of follows up, and Jeff maybe touched on it a little bit, but thoughts with respect to cash outflows in terms of either providing increased dividends or share buybacks or -- going to have to think about that relative to legislation and use of capital.

Jeffrey A. Agosta

Analyst · those would be very helpful

Dave, we've been very consistent over the past, I don't know, 8, 10 years of increasing our dividend and being very shareholder-friendly through buying back 20% of our outstanding stocks since 2004. We've consistently raised the dividend every year with the exception during the financial crisis in 2009 and 2010 when we were going through our repositioning, and we will continue to look at that. All with the view toward maximizing cash flow per share adjusted for debt.

Vincent W. White

Analyst · those would be very helpful

Yes, Dave, this is Vince. I might add that really, the thoughts around the share repurchases are undertaken in conjunction with our capital budgeting process, which is currently underway.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from the line of David Tameron from Wells Fargo.

David R. Tameron - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · David Tameron from Wells Fargo

Can you guys talk about -- at the Analyst Day you laid out the 5-year CAGR, 6% to 8%. Can you talk about any change given -- I know there's been some temporary disruptions, but given some of the disruptions of the production this year, can you -- any change to that longer term?

Vincent W. White

Analyst · David Tameron from Wells Fargo

David, I think you're referring to the Analyst Day, we gave an illustration of what our assets could do under a specific set of assumptions. Those assumptions included price outlook, price realizations relative to benchmarks and the performance of our assets. If you look at things that have changed since that date, we've got NGLs, and our expectations for NGLs as a percentage of WTI have come down. I think gas prices have probably ticked up a little bit. Oil prices are a little weaker. And the changes to our portfolio, we've seen the delay in Jackfish ramp-up, should not affect the multiyear period, and we've also seen some good progress and derisking in some of our major oil plays. So all those things go into the mix. I mean ultimately, how much we grow top line depends on how much capital we spend, and we're always trying to optimize the per share growth, not the top line growth, and it's a continually evolving picture.

David R. Tameron - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · David Tameron from Wells Fargo

All right. Okay, and let me follow up, let me go completely unrelated. In the Cline Shale, can you talk about where -- I know you're drilling on that Eastern Shelf, if you will. I assume that's where the Cline Shale -- can you say specifically what area of that acreage you're targeting? And the 5 horizontals you mentioned that are in various stages, can you just talk about where those have been drilled? What counties?

David A. Hager

Analyst · David Tameron from Wells Fargo

Sure. The plan is to get a good representation of wells across our entire acreage position so we can evaluate it all. The first 3 wells that we have drilled have been located in Sterling County. Since that time, we have actually gone up and drilled a Mississippian well that I mentioned up in Fisher County where we have quite a bit of acreage as well. And we have a couple wells that we're currently drilling and completing in Mitchell and Nolan County as well. And so if you look at our acreage position, it is -- those are the 4 main counties where we have, at Sterling, Mithcell, Nolan and Fisher, with a little bit in Scurry County as well.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Brian Singer from Goldman Sachs.

Brian Singer - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Brian Singer from Goldman Sachs

On the county acreage portion of your CapEx budget, how much is that now up to for 2012? Do you see and/or expect additional joint ventures to offset at some point some of that? And as we look ahead to next year, it seems like over the last couple of years, there have been a number of upward revisions to your budget for the purposes of acquiring acreage, is there anything different now in terms of thinking about a year from now having a budget that is meaningfully down versus first of 2012?

Vincent W. White

Analyst · Brian Singer from Goldman Sachs

Brian, this is Vince. I'll take the first part of the question. The acreage spend this year is about $1 billion before any recovery through the JVs, that's the gross number. Year-to -- that's through the first 9 months of the year.

Brian Singer - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Brian Singer from Goldman Sachs

And then there will be another $200 million coming in the fourth quarter, so $1.1 billion -- $1.2 billion?

David A. Hager

Analyst · Brian Singer from Goldman Sachs

Well, we've recovered about $1.3 billion upfront from the 2 JVs this year.

Vincent W. White

Analyst · Brian Singer from Goldman Sachs

No, his question was the incremental spend. We've spent $1 billion in the first 9 months, we've said another $200 million in Q4, is that a fair estimate?

David A. Hager

Analyst · Brian Singer from Goldman Sachs

That's correct.

John Richels

Analyst · Brian Singer from Goldman Sachs

Brian, on the joint ventures, we are developing some additional areas, if they're right for it. I mean, these joint ventures have been very good for us, and we hope good for our partners, and it's something that we will continue to be open to. It certainly improves our capital efficiency. It's something that we would do, and we have allocated a lot to capital or to leasehold over the last couple of years. And when you think about it, as we got out of the international and deepwater and moved onshore, we always said that we would take some of those funds. And I think we got a good return on our investments internationally and in the Gulf of Mexico. And we said we'd take some of those funds and reinvest them in a project onshore to continue to build a good inventory of future growth, particularly on the oil side, and that's what we've been trying to do. So I think it's been a judicious reallocation of proceeds of those dispositions. And now we have a pretty big asset base when you think about it, and we're pretty excited about a number of the areas and optimistic about the number of these areas, not the least of which is the Mississippian and the Cline and some of the things that we're doing in the Rockies. So we've got a lot of running room right now.

Brian Singer - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Brian Singer from Goldman Sachs

That's great. And I guess going to Canada and in Jackfish, with the 2 wells or the 2 pads that are kind of having issues, are you confident that, that is just isolated to those 2 areas, or do you see any wider implication for either of the pads that you're drilling or kind of thinking about some of the other leases like Pike?

David A. Hager

Analyst · Brian Singer from Goldman Sachs

We're very confident we understand now what the issues are that created this. And really, you could see it on the logs that there was some interbedded nature to the logs. What was not fully understood until we started producing. And remember, these pads were originally designed and approved from a regulatory standpoint 4 to 5 years ago when -- what was not fully understood is just what were the impact of this interbedded sands and shale have on the initial steam chamber development. So we're confident now. We understand that. We've seen this. We've actually observed it with not only here, but at Jackfish and some other industry projects in the same area. So the fact that this happened, we understand the nature. We're confident we can overcome this. The reserves are there. We're still going to get all the reserves? There's just a delay on these pads and getting the production up to full speed, and we know how to place future pads to avoid these issues.

Jeffrey A. Agosta

Analyst · Brian Singer from Goldman Sachs

And one other thing, Brian, I'll just throw in to what Dave has said is it's important to understand that as we drill additional couple of well pads, all we're doing is moving that capital forward. We're not adding a bunch of capital, and that's because over time we do believe that we'll recover all of the reserves in these first 2 well pads. So it's not like we're adding a bunch more wells, we're just moving them forward.

David A. Hager

Analyst · Brian Singer from Goldman Sachs

And I'd like to add we're very confident still that Jackfish and the Pike areas are really top tier projects. If there was as a mistake that was made, it's just we didn't add enough spare wells initially to make sure that the plant was full. But from a geological perspective, there is no question these are top tier reservoirs in the best part of the SAGD development.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Charles Meade from Johnson Rice. Charles A. Meade - Johnson Rice & Company, L.L.C., Research Division: A question, and this is maybe for Dave. On the LOE coming in lower than expected, is there room for that to continue to go lower, or is it projected to bounce back up? I note that you didn't change your guidance on the LOE, but you can just talk about in general terms?

David A. Hager

Analyst · Charles Meade from Johnson Rice

I would not expect the LOE to go lower. We are very proud of our performance on LOE because even as we're making the shift to a higher oil percentage as part of our overall production, everybody knows that oil is more expensive to operate than natural gas. And so the fact that we've been able to really mitigate the impact of that through our LOE is good. But because we are continuing to shift to more oil as a higher percentage of our production, I wouldn't anticipate it going lower on a per barrel basis. But we -- it's something we work every day, and we think we're pretty darn good at. Charles A. Meade - Johnson Rice & Company, L.L.C., Research Division: Got it. That's exactly the detail I was looking for. And then the second question, this goes back to Jackfish a bit. As I look back in my notes from the Analyst Day, I think back then you're expecting to go post-payout in late '12 and that's now shifted into '13, and I guess that would make sense because oil prices are a little lower, have been lower than they were then. But does that then give you a little bit higher oil take in Q4 because of that? Or is that even a meaningful piece that we should think about?

Jeffrey A. Agosta

Analyst · Charles Meade from Johnson Rice

No, we were expecting Brandon -- we were expecting payout -- I'm sorry Charles, we were expecting payout in at right around year end. And so it really doesn't have an impact on fourth quarter expected oil production. And now we expect it to be some point in the first quarter, not exactly sure when. It will depend on oil prices.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Robert Christensen from Buckingham Research.

Robert L. Christensen - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated

Analyst · Robert Christensen from Buckingham Research

First question is on a few of the structural things that hurt Canadian differentials and pipeline projects, are you optimistic about more Canadian pipeline projects, Enbridge and Keystone, working in your favor of the next couple of quarters, years? I mean, what intelligence do you have that, that's happening? And then I guess on the demand side, the upper Midwest refineries, are those enlarging, expanding on schedule to close differentials?

Darryl G. Smette

Analyst · Robert Christensen from Buckingham Research

Bob, this is Darryl Smette. Yes, obviously, as we went through this year, we had supply of heavy oil and pipeline capacity, refining capacity pretty well in balance, actually had a little bit more pipeline capacity and refining capacity than we had supply where we had a number of unplanned outages both in terms of refineries and pipelines in the second and third quarter that widened those differentials. They really started to improve in September as some of that unplanned outage come back on in some of the pipeline capacity come back on. So differential, as Jeff mentioned there, starting in September, and there pretty significantly through September, October and into the first part of November. As we got to the middle of November, we have both in the U.S. and Canada about 1 million barrels a day of refining capacity that has went down for turnaround. And so we have again seeing those differentials widened about $10 to $12 a barrel. That refinery maintenance should be completed sometime early in the first part of the first quarter of next year, so we should get that refinery capacity back. In addition to that, we have 2 refineries that are coming onstream, one in December, a Marathon refinery in Detroit is going to bring about 80,000 to 90,000 barrel additional refining capacity. So that's coming on, and then the Whiting Refinery that's converting to heavy oil should be on sometime in the second quarter. That's about 250,000 to 270,000 barrels a day of capacity. So although we're seeing some increase in production in heavy oil, the increase in pipeline refining capacity is actually exceeding what we're seeing in production. So we do think as we get through the first quarter, we will start to see some downward pressure on those differentials. In addition to that, we are actually seeing an increase in rail activity out of Canada. It's actually increased from about 800 rail cars a day up to about 1,100 to 1,200 rail cars today. A lot of that oil is being railed to the west coast and the east coast they is close in that going to the Mid-Continent so we have a combination of things that are looking better as we get through the fourth quarter and the first quarter of next year as we get in the second quarter of 2013 and beyond, start to look a lot better.

Robert L. Christensen - The Buckingham Research Group Incorporated

Analyst · Robert Christensen from Buckingham Research

And my second question is -- maybe Vince answers, I don't know, Jeff answers, the cash flow per debt adjusted share, do you have that calculation for the third quarter versus a year ago? Has it been growing, that metric, has it been improving?

Vincent W. White

Analyst · Robert Christensen from Buckingham Research

We're -- first of all, I don't have it in my fingertips. We do monitor that, and the prices have a huge impact over the short term, as well as our product allocation, but I can't give you that comparison right off.

Jeffrey A. Agosta

Analyst · Robert Christensen from Buckingham Research

I would say yes, that due to product prices being much lower in the third quarter of this year than they were last year, it has probably gone down for us and the industry.

Vincent W. White

Analyst · Robert Christensen from Buckingham Research

We've run past the top of the hour, so we're going to respect your time and cut the call off. And as usual, we'll be around the rest of the day. The IR staff will be available to answer any follow-up questions. So thanks for your participation.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.