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Operator
Operator
Greetings and welcome to the Diana Shipping Inc’s 2017 First Quarter Conference Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Edward Nebb, Investor Relations Advisor. Thank you. You may begin.
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Edward Nebb
Analyst
Thank you, Andre, and thanks to all of you for joining us today for the Diana Shipping Inc’s first quarter conference call. The members of the management team who are with us today are Mr. Simeon Palios, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Anastasios Margaronis, President; Mr. Andreas Michalopoulos, Chief Financial Officer; Mr. Ioannis Zafirakis, Chief Operating Officer and Secretary; and Ms. Maria Dede, Chief Accounting Officer. Before management’s remarks, let me briefly summarize the Safe Harbor notice. Certain statements made during this conference call which are not historical facts are forward-looking statements under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. Such forward-looking statements are based on assumptions, expectations, projections or beliefs as to future events that may not prove to be accurate. And for a description of the risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause future results to differ from the forward-looking statements, please refer to the company’s filings with the SEC. And with that, let me turn the call over to Mr. Simeon Palios, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer.
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Simeon Palios
Analyst
Thank you, Ed. Good morning and thank you for joining us today to discuss the results of Diana Shipping, Inc. for the first quarter 2017. During recent quarter, we maintain our focus on strengthening the company’s financial position in a difficult dry marketplace. At the same time, we have pursued the prudent expansion of our fleet in order to be in a position to benefit from an eventual industry recovery. To review our financial results, Diana Shipping recorded a net loss of US$26.5 million and the net loss attributed to common stockholders of US$27.9 million for the first quarter of 2017. This compares to a net loss of US$31.4 million and a net loss attributed to common stockholders of US$32.8 million reported in the first quarter of 2016. Our time charter revenues were US$31.3 million for the first quarter of 2017. This was an increase from US$30.8 for the same period of 2016 due to an increased average time charger age for our vessels and increased ownership days resulting from the enlargement of our fleet. Diana Shipping continued to maintain a strong balance sheet. Cash, cash equivalents and restricted cash were US$108.2 million at March 31, 2017. Long-term debt, net of deferred finance increase was US$645.4 million compared to stockholders’ equity of over US$1 billion. Subsequently, at the end of the first quarter, the company completed a public offering of US$80.5 of our common stock. Reflecting our confidence, in the future of the company, entities associated with certain Diana Shipping executive officers and directors including myself such as 5.5 million shares in the offering. We continue to seek opportunities to expand our fleets and expect to employee substantially all of the net proceeds of the offering to fund the acquisition cost of additional dry bulk vessels. The vessel purchases including to 2013 built Post-Panamax dry bulk vessels and one 2013 built kamsarmax dry bulk vessel. All of which will be acquired from unaffiliated third parties, few of the vessels were now delivered. The motor vessel Phaidra, a 2013 built Post-Panamax vessel of 87,146 tons deadweight as the motor vessel astarte, a 2013 built Kamsarmax vessel of 81,513 deadweight. The remaining Post-Panamax vessel is expected to be delivered by the end of this month. Including these recent acquisitions, our fleet will consists of 51 dry bulk vessels. We continue to manage the fleet in a prudent manner that promotes a balance of time charter maturities and produces a predictable revenue stream. Currently, our fixed revenue days are 64% of 2017. Going forward, Diana Shipping will continue to deploy its strong financial capacity to support shareholder value oriented strategy. With that I will now turn the call over to our President, Anastasios Margaronis, for a perspective on the industry conditions. He will then be followed by our Chief Financial Officer, Andreas Michalopoulos, who will provide a more detailed financial overview. Thank you.
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Anastasios Margaronis
Analyst
Thank you, Simeon. We welcome analysts, investors and other participants to this quarterly conference call of Diana Shipping Inc. The bulk carrier markets provided us some excitement during the past few months. And this is reflected in all the main dry Baltic Indices. The general Baltic Dry Index stood at 963 on the first trading day of the year and closed yesterday at 964. Baltic Panamax Index started the year at 811 and closed yesterday at 864. While the Baltic Cape Index showed a strong improvement going from 1,538 on January 2nd, 1,704 yesterday. This doesn’t sound very exciting in itself. However, in the interim period, the Baltic Dry Index reached a high of 1,333 on March 28, while at around the same time the Baltic Cape Index reached 2,765. On April 18, the Baltic Panamax Index was at 1,621. According to Banchero Costa, in March of this year, Panamax time charter rates averaged 9,564 to date, up 168% year-on-year. Howe Robinson believes the main reason behind this year's improved market conditions has been mostly increased grain shipments, particularly from Brazil, where first quarter soya bean exports were up 24% year-on-year. Although significant coal shipments from the Black Sea, also, a record weak harvest in Australia and some congestion in the Canadian and U.S. North Pacific grain ports, have also played their parts. Increased coal shipments from Colombia and the USA also helped the Kamsarmax and Panamax market. We should not underestimate the importance of increased iron ore shipments to China and a favorable supply situation mentioned below. Most recently, however, according to Commodore Research, South American spot grain cargo movements have fallen sharply from just a few weeks ago and this has taken a distinct out of Panamax trades. According to Banchero Costa, in March 2017, the Capesize market…
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Andreas Michalopoulos
Analyst
Thank you, Stasi, and good morning. I'm pleased to be discussing today with you Diana's operational results for the three months ended March 31, 2017. Net loss and net loss attributed to common stockholders amounted to $26.5 million and $27.9 million respectively, plus the common share was $0.34. Time charter revenues increased to $31.3 million compared to $30.8 million in the first quarter of 2015, and the increase was due to the increased average time charter rates that we achieved through our vessels during the quarter and revenues derived from the addition to our fleet of the vessel Selina and Ismene delivered in March 2016; Maera delivered in May 2016 in San Francisco; and Newport News delivered in January 2017. Ownership days were 4,313 in the first quarter of 2017 compared to 3,931 in the same quarter of 2016. Fleet utilization was 98.2% compared to 99.1% for the same quarter of 2016. And the daily time charter equivalent rate was $7,059 compared to $6,195 for the same quarter of 2016. Voyage expenses were $1.1 million for the quarter compared to $6.8 million for the same quarter 2016. The decrease in voyage expenses was mainly due to gain on bunkers of $0.6 million in the quarter compared to a loss of $5.1 million in the same quarter last year. Vessel operating expenses amounted to $21.3 million compared to $21.9 million for the first quarter of 2015 and decreased by 3%, despite the 10% increase in ownership days resulting from the enlargement of the fleet. The decrease was a result of the company's efforts to minimize costs without compromising the vessels operations and safety and achieve reductions in all operating expense categories, except for taxes and other operating expenses. Daily operating expenses were $4,942 for the first quarter 2017 compared to $5,582…
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Gregory Lewis with Credit Suisse. Please state your question.
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Joe Nelson
Analyst
Thank you and good morning, good afternoon. It’s actually Joe Nelson on the line for Greg today and thank you for taking my questions.
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Simeon Palios
Analyst
Hi. Hi, good morning.
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Joe Nelson
Analyst
Just a couple maybe a couple of the recent vessel acquisitions. It’s been and the Kamsarmax Post-Panamax glass, was the decision on these three ships, was it more of a evaluation call on where ship values are today? Or was it maybe more of a strategic decision on perhaps where you see maybe the most optionality under recovery scenario?
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Ioannis Zafirakis
Analyst
Hi, this is Ioannis Zafirakis speaking. We have stated many times before that we consider the market to be rather efficient and the price of each vessel, the it’s prices include all the factors that make this a vessel better or worse than any other type. So in other words, it is not a decision, strategic decision, to buy these Kamsarmax. We have said that we are interested in buying anything above Panamax, including Panamaxes. We have particular fleet. Of course, we are considering having the necessary critical mark in all the time. But it’s not agree to anyone as we speak around the world today knows that it is better to buy a Capesize rather than a Kamsarmax, or a Post-Panamax rather than a new Kamsarmax. Everything is included in the price.
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Joe Nelson
Analyst
Great, thank you. And then maybe just one follow-up. I mean, you mentioned in the commentary maybe the market looks like we’re kind of reaching that supply/demand balance. Is that being reflected in today’s asset prices? Or do you still see maybe there’s still some value to be picked up at today’s prices?
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Ioannis Zafirakis
Analyst
The work we are saying is that we think that we have recent balance [ph] between supply and demand. And for us, that means that despite we do or you do the calculation about the forecasted demand and forecasted supply and you come up with a positive or negative difference, whatever that is. Then being that the balancing stage today, it will have an effect because the previous years, we were saying that we were not in balance. An incremental change was not making any difference. So basically, we don’t know. We think by doing the calculation of demand and supply based on what Mr. Margaronis already said, we think that there’s going to be a positive change as regard demand and supply the next year. Demand is going to be higher than – increasing demand is going to be higher than the increasing supply. And therefore, being at the balancing stage, today, this is bound to have a positive effect in the charter rates. And by having a positive effect in the charter rate, eventually, you’re going to have a positive effect on the prices as well. In other words, we are considering, based on what we know and what we expect about the market for their recent – for the next few months, let’s say, we expect the market to improve.
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Joe Nelson
Analyst
Great. Thank you very much guys. Appreciate the time today.
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Ioannis Zafirakis
Analyst
You’re welcome. Thank you.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Noah Parquette with J.P. Morgan. Please state your question.
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Noah Parquette
Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Please state your question.
Thanks. I wanted to ask, you guys do a job of laying out the market. You’ve touched on this. But [indiscernible] come about a little bit, we haven’t seen a lot of new builds order. But how do you assess that risk going forward? It just seems like sentiments cold a little bit. But you think that is a real risk to recovery? Just would love your thoughts.
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Simeon Palios
Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Please state your question.
Everything is included in what we have said earlier. Mr. Margaronis said and what I said earlier. Everything is included in the same equation about projected supply and progressive demand. Of course, nobody can be set in 100%, but this has always been the case. You calculate the potential new buildings that you are going to have. You calculate – you try to calculate the sentiments. You put all of this ingredient into one equation and you come up with an incremental positive or negative change in the future in order to try and see what the market is going to do. The previous years, we fail, everybody fail except us, I guess, I have to say, to forecast what was going to happen simply because they didn’t pay attention to the fact that we were not in balance before we do this type of calculation. So if you ask about new buildings, risk for new buildings, that is the same question about scrapping. What is scrapping going to be. And then there is a question of financing and then there is the question of private money, public money. But everything is included in the forecast assumptions that you are using.
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Noah Parquette
Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Please state your question.
Yes, I understand the real factors, but there are all have separate things influencing behind the scenes. So with new builds, the issue is a lot of shipyards and the availability of capital. Do you guys see that risks?
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Andreas Michalopoulos
Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Please state your question.
Nobody is going to order based on the number of shipyards. People are going to order based on their expectation about the future being positive. Usually, will have any...
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Noah Parquette
Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Please state your question.
Based on price, right? And the price…
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Andreas Michalopoulos
Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Please state your question.
No, it’s not based on price. No, no, no. The price is four after people are ordering and after they have a specific sentiment. The price is not the reason why someone is ordering a vessel. It’s exactly the opposite. The price is determined based on expectations about the future. Nobody’s going to order a vessel because it is cheap. He’s going to order a vessel because the things that is the right time to enter the market. You cannot order a vessel and start losing money and do not expect – if you do not expect that the market is going to improve. What usually happens in the market is the [indiscernible]. You have the market improving. There is a large of assets following that improvements. And then there is a question whether this improvement is sustainable. People are not going to get convinced at the beginning of this is sustainable and the market is going to continue being strong. And from the moment they are convinced that this is sustainable, there’s going to be plenty of new building orders. There’s going to be less scrapping and then the market slowly is going to start to deteriorate, provided that there is no synchronization of other markets being at a good stage and it is being octopi producing other type of vessels. So this is cyclicality. This is the cyclical nature of our business and this is how it usually works. We cannot say that the cyclicality is not there anymore because of the number of new the yards that exist around us or the money that they float around us. If we accept that the cyclicality is always going to be there in our industry, then it’s going to happen the way we describe. Otherwise, if you are persuaded of the cyclicality, it’s not going to be there anymore because of the new building capacity, then we are at the wrong industry.
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Noah Parquette
Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Please state your question.
Okay. That’s all I have. Thanks.
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Simeon Palios
Analyst · J.P. Morgan. Please state your question.
Thank you.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jon Chappell with Evercore. Please state your question.
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Jon Chappell
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
Thank you. Good afternoon.
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Simeon Palios
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
Good afternoon.
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Jon Chappell
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
I’m going to start with Andreas. I’m going to let Ioannis go down a little bit. So Andreas, post the transaction both the equity deal and the three purchases, assuming the delivery of this last ship by the end of this month. What’s the pro forma cash balance and liquidity for the company?
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Andreas Michalopoulos
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
Well, since we are still getting the deliveries of the vessel, I cannot give you what you can dop the cancellation on your own. We got the green shoes that was exercise, so taking the proceeds of the offering or $18 million, then you deduct the ships with the announced prices and you add on to the cash. So you should get spot-on on the model with that.
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Jon Chappell
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
Did you ever disclose the cost of the three ships? Can you give that?
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Andreas Michalopoulos
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
Yes, yes, of course, in the perspective supplement.
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Ioannis Zafirakis
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
The recent development part of the prospectus.
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Andreas Michalopoulos
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
You can see it. It’s…
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Jon Chappell
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
Okay. So $80 million in equity proceeds after the show. I assume there are some fees associated to that.
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Andreas Michalopoulos
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
It’s 22 250 for the two vessels, the Post-Panamax vessels and 22 500 – 32 750 for the – sorry for the Kamsarmax.
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Jon Chappell
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
Got it, perfect. Okay, so in that combined transaction you’ve effectively put result in a much better position now. How many, I assume those three ships you’re buying with all equity, are there any other unencumbered ships in the fleet or is it just those three?
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Andreas Michalopoulos
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
Yes, there is motor vessel Seattle that is unencumbered. So that we’ll make four vessels that are unencumbered in the fleet.
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Jon Chappell
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
And is there any plans to add leverage to those four ships at this point or would you want to wait a little bit?
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Andreas Michalopoulos
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
At this point, no, we -- at this point, no, there’s always availability of finance if we wish to. But we decided that, that is going to relief those vessels be pure revenue generators.
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Jon Chappell
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
Okay. So then, if we laid out Stasi’s outlook and on his view on cyclicality and we think about the next steps for Diana, what does the amount of liquidity that you have today that you would feel comfortable using to acquire ships?
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Andreas Michalopoulos
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
I think, at the moment we are in a period, where we are going to with the stage of our balance sheet pause and wait to see whether market goes before acquiring the ships or continuing on our acquisition, let’s say a…
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Ioannis Zafirakis
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
We invested already $77 million. We never invest a lot of our money at one point in the cycle. We have to wait a bit and see what we are going to do.
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Jon Chappell
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
But you always say that you try to – you never try to tie the bottoms. You’re always kind of in their buying to the downturn and then to the upturn. So does the pause mean no more…
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Ioannis Zafirakis
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
No, no, we are not buying at the upper part of the cycle. On the upper part of the cycle, we do as little acquisitions are possible to renew the fleet. And what we pay dividend at the upper part of the cycle. We don’t grow the upper part of the cycle.
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Jon Chappell
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
Right. I misspoke. I meant coming out of the bottom of the cycle. So anyway, any like ones or two these, when you mean pausing, no more three year four vessel in black transactions or you completely pausing no more one or two ships at this point.
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Andreas Michalopoulos
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
We just bought, as Ioannis said, three ships. So we’re not going to buy for the next few months. We don’t have any plans to buying ships in the next few months.
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Jon Chappell
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
Okay, that’s very helpful, Andreas, thank you. Thank you, Ioannis.
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Andreas Michalopoulos
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
Welcome.
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Ioannis Zafirakis
Analyst · Evercore. Please state your question.
Thanks.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Ben Nolan with Stifel. Please state your question.
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Ben Nolan
Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.
Yes, thanks. I wanted to follow up little bit on, what you guys have been talking about in terms of the balance of the market and how we’re finally, approached a point where supply and demand relatively equal. How tight given your sort of outlook on those factors of supply and demand, how tight do you think it could become? Are we in a stage of the market where things could really become, in your view, pretty robust and very tight? Or is it just sort of a relatively loose in balance and supply/demand where your upside is relatively modest?
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Stasi Margaronis
Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.
Well, we forecast as we said before, the market, just give our impression of where we are in the cycle with the various data that we have at our disposal to form a view. So what we can say now is that we are not able to tell you whether we’re going to see another 2007, 2008 market developing. All we are saying is that it appears that we are at a point of balance between supply and demand. And depending on the strength already factors affecting this balance, the market is going to move rather up or down. We hope it will not go down, but it might. The chances are that unless something totally unpredictable takes place, it will move gradually upwards. So that’s all we can say at this point. We are just watching the market quarter after quarter. And this might be the first quarter where we can say with a degree of certainty that we are at the point where demand and supply have reached balance.
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Ioannis Zafirakis
Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.
Ben, this is very, very important. It is one of the most important developments we’ve had the last seven years or so that we are in a position to say with a certain degree of certainty that we are in a balancing stage. This is very important because the previous years, a lot of time was wasted trying to see what the next period is going to be by calculating forecasted demand and supply, coming up with a number, which had no effect whatsoever or even the opposite effect than anticipated simply because we were not in a balancing stage and we kept saying that. I don’t want to repeat myself. But we were at the stage that we had, let’s say, exaggerating, 1,000 extra vessels. And people were talking about a positive effect of 50 vessels. And they were expecting the market to improve from 1,000 to 950 extra, the market to improve. You know that this never is going to happen. But if we can say with certainty that we are in a balancing stage, then the forecast, if they are correct, that will have an effect. This is what we are saying.
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Ben Nolan
Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.
Okay. Yes, I follow you with there. So given sort of that view, how does that impact your chartering strategy? I mean – is it almost everything that you’ve done has been sort of in the roughly one-year context. Is there any appetite to go longer than that yet? Or you’re just waiting to see if things tighten first?
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Simeon Palios
Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.
Well, I think that the one year strategy is quite sufficient to have a staggering manner of fixing your seats. But if I may add, what we have preached back in March 2005, we have said simply that we are entering the capital markets because we want to somehow manage the effect of an unknown, which we could never really gauge, which is the freight market whether it’s going up or down. And the reason we enter the capital markets was simply because we wanted so iron out the peaks and the lows on this [indiscernible]. That’s what we have been preaching all along. And I think that we have proven correct all those 12 years. The effect of the market whether it’s high or low has less effect on our company than on other companies who are not using the capital markets the way we use of the capital market.
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Ben Nolan
Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.
Yes, I agree with you. Although I would say that the increasing capital markets actually seems like it has also increased the volatility of the trade as a function of access to capital for supply?
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Simeon Palios
Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.
Not the volatility. The frequency of this Seattle market, yes. Not the volatility. The volatility will be almost the same. But the frequency of the curve, yes, which is what you want in order for someone to make money. We like volatility, we like what is happening.
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Ben Nolan
Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.
Great. Okay, that does for my questions. Thanks.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Fotis Giannakoulis with Morgan Stanley. Please state your question.
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Fotis Giannakoulis
Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please state your question.
Yes. Hi, gentlemen and thank you for the opportunity. Simeon, I want to ask you about the recent accident for the VLOC. I asked some other owners and they seem to have the opinion that this is a major event for the dry bulk market. I wanted to have your opinion if you think that this 50 VLOCs, they are about to leave the market. And if this departure of this VLOCs from the market in a short period of time can have an impact on supply/demand dynamics.
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Simeon Palios
Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please state your question.
Well, I think that Stasi has given you a flavor of what is going to happen on this, you mean, conversions to VLOC from tankers. I think they’re about to go away. But at the same time, they will be almost substituted by the order of value for the very last ore carriers of the 400,000 tonnage. So there, I think the one will counterbalance the other.
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Fotis Giannakoulis
Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please state your question.
Okay. The other question I want to ask is about the purchasing activity. You addressed it very thoroughly. I want to ask about opportunities for fleet acquisitions, for MMAs. We saw some efforts in the tanker space for business combinations. We haven’t seen anything like that in dry bulk. Is this possible in today’s environment to see more than one company joining forces?
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Simeon Palios
Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please state your question.
I think everything is possible. But we are trying to avoid to commit ourselves at one particular moment in the cycle. We will try to avoid that.
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Fotis Giannakoulis
Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please state your question.
Okay. Thank you very much, gentlemen.
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Simeon Palios
Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please state your question.
Well, thank you.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Webber with Wells Fargo. Please state your question.
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Michael Webber
Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question.
Hey, good morning, guys. How are you?
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Anastasios Margaronis
Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question.
Hi, very well.
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Andreas Michalopoulos
Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question.
How are you Mike?
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Michael Webber
Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question.
Good. First one actually, I want to congratulate Stasi. This is the first time in 10 years, I think you guys been able to give a positive market overview. So you can make sure it’s getting down maybe. Most of – so you just touched on the VLOC question, which seems like it’s particularly pertinent. But maybe, Ioannis, I think you touched on this earlier. But if I look at this – maybe I look at DSX strategy over a 10 or 12-year period. You made a very smart decision and a very thoughtful decision, 7 to 10 years ago, to cut the distribution, to build cash. And you’re kind of coming to the end of that period with the past couple of quarters. As we think about asset values, inching higher you’re talking about potential rate improvement back into this year, as it ways out. But maybe can you start to lay out how you think about kind of making that, maybe there was cyclical decision maybe some time in 2018 or later and how you think about that kind of transitioning Diana back towards some sort of payout vehicle?
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Ioannis Zafirakis
Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question.
So thank you for your kind words. This is 100% correct. We have managed to buy at the lowest – the lower part of the cycle as many vessels as possible. We have managed to leverage up the company to the maximum without having to restructure. And if the market improves as we expect the market to improve from now onwards, all the benefit of that is going to go to our shareholders and not to anybody else and especially not to those people that they offered a restructuring to the companies, of course, taking most of the upside of the market. So what we expect to happen is that if and when we end up at the upper part of the cycle, the company most probably will – we will reintroduce a dividend and we will renew the flip, getting rid of the older tonnage. And most probably, we are going to continue exactly the same strategy as we’ve done in the upper part of the previous cycle and remunerating and rewarding our shareholders for having invested in our company. We do not deviate from that. You know that very well. But I am – the others, most probably are going to be buying vessels and are going to be leveraging up the companies. We are not going to do that.
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Michael Webber
Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question.
Right. So – and again, I know it’s early. And no one is expecting this overnight. But are you at a point now where there are particular metrics you’re looking at on a forward one-year or two-year basis that are really going to be kind of key to that decision. I know you want to do liquidity with John, obviously. That’s kind of the first and foremost. But longer-term, how should we attempt to measure that or think about that?
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Anastasios Margaronis
Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question.
I think you should look at the market, as we said many times, to be stabilized. At the moment, we feel that we are in that stage with a little volatility, as we said many times before, and we should see that stabilization going towards the upper part rather than going back down again. So when we will see that everybody will understand that. I think – and you and other analysts will understand it before anybody anyway. So it’s difficult to have a specific metric like when the Baltic keeps so much then that’s it we change gears with little bit dividends and we go on with the second part of the strategy.
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Ioannis Zafirakis
Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question.
You understand that there is the sentiment also and there is also the, what Andreas calls the stabilization, the third, sustainability – is the sustainability of the earnings that is going to make us enter into that phase and reintroduce a dividend. But in our case, we have the added value and the added benefit of having certain transparent company and our model is very, very simple. And clearly, it can be seen the ability of the company to pay dividend clearly is going to be there to be seen. And by having no restrictions from the banks to that respect, you understand that our shareholders should expect to benefit from something like this.
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Michael Webber
Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question.
Right. Okay, thank you guys, very much. I appreciate your time.
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Ioannis Zafirakis
Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question.
Thank you.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] I am showing no further questions. That does conclude our question-and-answer session. I will now turn it back to management for closing remarks.
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Simeon Palios
Analyst
Thank you again for your interest and support of Diana Shipping. We look forward to speaking with you in the months ahead. Thank you.
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Operator
Operator
This concludes today’s conference. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time.