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Viant Technology Inc. (DSP)

Q3 2022 Earnings Call· Sat, Nov 12, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Hello, everyone. And welcome to Viant’s Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Kelsey, and I will be your operator today. Before I hand the call over to the Viant leadership team, I’d like to go over just a few housekeeping notes for the program. As a reminder, this webinar is being recorded. And after the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] We thank you for your attendance today and I will now turn things over to Sandra Magnus with Viant Technology. Sandra, over to you.

Sandra Magnus

Analyst

Thank you, Kelsey. Good afternoon. And welcome to Viant Technologies third quarter 2022 financial results conference call. On the call today are Tim Vanderhook, Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer; Chris Vanderhook, Co-Founder and Chief Operating Officer; and Larry Madden, Chief Financial Officer. I’d like to remind you that we will make forward-looking statements on our call today that are based on assumptions and subject to future events, risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. We undertake no obligation to update these statements, except as required by law. For more information about factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from forward-looking statements and our entire Safe Harbor statement, please refer to the news release issued today, as well as the risks and uncertainties described in our registration statement on Form 10-K and other filings with the SEC. During today’s call, we will also present both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. Additional disclosures regarding these non-GAAP measures, including a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures are included in the news release we issued today and in our filings with the SEC. I would now like to turn the call over to Tim Vanderhook, Chief Executive Officer of Viant. Tim.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Thank you everyone for joining us for our third quarter earnings call. We posted good operating results in the third quarter amidst a challenging environment. Total advertiser spend on our platform grew 19% year-over-year, ahead of market ad spend growth rates as we continue to gain share in the digital advertising market. In the third quarter, revenue was $48.8 million, a decrease of 4% versus the prior year period and contribution ex-TAC was $32.1 million, a decrease of 6% versus the prior year period. Once again, advertiser spend on the platform was up significantly on a year-over-year basis and existing customers continue to transition their spend from fixed price contracts to master services agreements paying based on a percent of spend. This dynamic creates a drag on revenue and contribution ex-TAC in the near-term, but we expect that drag to subside in 2023. Our Adelphic DSP continues to resonate in market as a leading self-service platform to plan, buy and measure digital advertising across channels. We continue to expand customer relationships as many choose to consolidate their ad spend into our platform. Adelphic gives buyers the ability to programmatically access publisher inventory, saving them time and money. We allow buyers to target valued customers based on a variety of criteria and interests that are relevant to the customer. This results in a higher ROI for the buyer. Most importantly, we provide detailed reporting on campaign performance. This helps the buyer to assess the effectiveness of the campaign and make any necessary adjustments. These benefits are even more necessary in challenging economic times as buyers look to boost the return on their advertising investments. Before turning the call over to Chris, I want to take a moment to address what we are seeing across the macroeconomic landscape. While the growth in…

Chris Vanderhook

Analyst

Thanks, Tim. In the third quarter, we continue to expand our capabilities and partnerships, bringing more value to our customers, while building out one of the leading self-service platforms on the market today. We continue to see marketers and our agencies seeking independent omnichannel DSP that is fully self-service has industry-leading integrations across all channels and a strong measurement offering that accurately calculate return on ad spend, again, reinforcing our leadership position as a DSP with the strongest measurement capabilities, a point of differentiation that brings strong tailwinds of untapped spending behind it. Over the last year, we have seen strong customer wins with the number of active customers increasing 10% year-over-year. Additionally, spend per active customer increased 18% over the same period. As advertisers experienced strong campaign performance, they continue to consolidate their spending in Adelphic across all channels. The vast majority of buying customers spend through two or more channels with an increasing number spending across more than three channels. In Q3, we saw strong year-over-year growth in advertiser spend across our largest channels. Connected TV growth accelerated from 2% in Q2 to 13% in Q3 and audio grew 51%, audio now represents 6% of total advertiser spend and is now on a growth trajectory to what we saw similar to a few years ago with Connected TV. We also saw strong growth of 25% across mobile and desktop. The fact that we are omnichannel, meaning connected TV, desktop, mobile, audio, digital out-of-home and in-game is a major benefit to advertisers given the uncertainty in the economy. It means that we can give them greater flexibility to shift budgets that drive the highest ROI, a benefit that is not present in many walled gardens. Open web programmatic platforms that operate across all channels will be the beneficiaries of…

Larry Madden

Analyst

Thanks, Chris, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today. Before I begin, I’d like to remind everyone that we have posted a presentation to our Investor Relations website with supplemental financial information to accompany today’s presentation. As Tim mentioned, we are pleased with the level of advertiser spend across our platform in Q3, especially considering the current state of the economy. Advertisers spend across our platform increased 19% in the quarter over the prior year period, reflecting continued market share gains and both revenue and EBITDA were within our guidance for the quarter. This afternoon, I will be discussing some of the highlights of our Q3 performance, the key financial and operational drivers during the quarter and our current expectations for Q4. In terms of topline metrics for the third quarter, as I said, advertiser spend across our platform increased 19% over the prior year period and 1% over the prior quarter. On a year-to-date basis through September, advertiser spend has increased 30% from the prior year. In the third quarter, revenue was $48.8 million, a decrease of 4% versus the prior year and 5% versus the prior quarter. And contribution ex TAC was $32.1 million, a decrease of 6% versus the prior year period and an increase of 1% over the prior quarter. As a reminder, revenue from our percent of spend pricing option is recorded at -- is recorded after deducting traffic acquisition costs or TAC, whereas fixed price revenue is recorded before deducting TAC. Therefore, as the percent of spend, pricing option continues to make up a larger part of our advertiser spend mix relative to the prior year period, we will have a near-term drag on our revenue and contribution ex-TAC growth rates. While the impact of this mix shift has negatively impacted revenue and…

Operator

Operator

Great. Thank you so much, Larry. [Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from Laura Martin with Needham & Company. Laura, please go ahead. Laura, you are currently muted, if you go ahead and unmute. Yeah.

Laura Martin

Analyst

Right now I got it. Okay. Sorry.

Operator

Operator

No problem.

Laura Martin

Analyst

Different technology, I am still working on my phone. Okay. I got two. So the first one is, one of the great things about your ID tracking has been it’s been a Household ID. And one of the things we are hearing from D.C. is that what the regulators may go after next is ISP privacy. Would that affect your Household ID or is your Household ID not dependent on ISP data in the home?

Chris Vanderhook

Analyst

Our Household ID is not dependent on ISP data in the home. So I don’t believe it would have any impact.

Laura Martin

Analyst

Fantastic answer. Okay. Great. So the other thing is, I just want to make sure I understand this guidance. So we are going to go from 19% growth in Q3 to negative 11% to negative 20% growth in Q4. Am I reading that right?

Larry Madden

Analyst

That’s correct.

Laura Martin

Analyst

So what did they do? They just left and went to Hawaii. How is this kind of decel possible in a 90-day period?

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Well, as Larry mentioned, we have seen continual deceleration since about June, although, every single month as the economy continues to worsen. I think the biggest impacts on ours jobs was a pretty significant contributor, that’s contributing to a large chunk of that spend decline with that industry being in a very different place this year than last year. And the second one I would point you is retail spending, we are expecting to accelerate year-over-year.

Laura Martin

Analyst

Guys are cancelling their ad campaigns is what that means for fourth quarter.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

I think you are just not seeing the holiday, the bump in holiday spending that you always see. And you could see -- we are not really seeing it into the fourth quarter. Predominantly in retail, that’s the big drag and that’s where we have been doing extremely well. It’s been our fastest-growing category. But, yeah, we just really haven’t seen a lot of it show up in the fourth quarter.

Laura Martin

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

And one point on that, just to be clear, it’s not that we lost any of those customers or anything like that. We just haven’t seen the increase in spending.

Larry Madden

Analyst

I would add one thing as well. I mean we are seeing it more on the fixed side -- fixed price side of the business. Percentage spend side continues to grow. We expect it to grow in Q4. We expect it to grow at faster than the market. And we expect that to continue going forward. And now a percentage of spend is by far the majority of our spend. But the impact to fixed price is particularly negative on the revenue growth and the ex-TAC growth.

Laura Martin

Analyst

Thank you.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Thanks, Laura.

Operator

Operator

We will move on to Andrew Boone with JMP.

Andrew Boone

Analyst

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to touch on that last point in terms of thinking about holding on to these clients through the downturn. Can you guys talk about what you are doing to just make sure that in -- whether this is six months, a year, a few weeks that they are there on the other side of this.

Chris Vanderhook

Analyst

Yeah. So the first thing I would say is, that we are certainly seeing a greater focus, as I spoke about earlier around performance-based campaigns as opposed to more brand-based campaigns. So we see a shift going on there. We think we excel there. So -- and I know that I specifically think within retail, but this really reaches more broad than just retail. We are doing really well there. What today though is how long it lasts, I can’t predict what -- most of this is macro. Nearly all of this is macro, so I can’t predict on when that lets up. But what I will say is about, an open web platform that is in all these channels or those omnichannel like we are, it gives them the option ability to continue to shift their spending with the same company and the same software to get the highest ROI. Why is that important? [Technical Difficulty] that, single-channel companies, like some of the walled gardens are strictly a mobile app. If they start performing in that mobile app or particular operating system, they pull the budget. So our system is set up and you are seeing, I talked about this too, we are now -- the majority of our customers are buying in three or more channels, which is incredible and it shows you how they can easily shift spends and the platform does that in an automated way for them to reach whatever ROI goals that they have. So I am not worried about losing these customers at all. I think that’s a factor. It really is macroeconomic and I would say too, for most of these customers talk, that I think, their businesses are certainly damaged. I think that if the uncertainty of what’s going to happen in the economy and consumer spending uncertainty is what’s giving pause to a lot of these marketers, both in retail and in other categories.

Andrew Boone

Analyst

Going to the deck, auto and CPG were down 21% year-over-year. We have highlighted auto in past, it is vertical that stop you guys I think one, like a year and half ago. Can you just talk about the process you guys are going through in terms hardening the platform for diversification that you guys have across your advertiser set. Yes, you have done a good job by adding more clients, just where are you guys in terms of just broader and -- broadening the exposure to various verticals?

Chris Vanderhook

Analyst

Yeah. Well, look, we invested in our sales force substantially leading up to this point and I think they are out pounding the payment to find different categories of advertisers that are looking for programmatic advertising or a demand-side platform that’s out there. Most are currently utilizing a DSP and we are having active conversations with them regularly. I think in terms of diversification, I know -- or revenue concentration, Larry, do we have any concentration issues?

Larry Madden

Analyst

Not. No. Not at all. Retail still is our largest, even though it is declining at this point. But there’s no one -- and we have grouped our verticals pretty broadly. There’s no one vertical that’s more than 18%, 17% of our total spend.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

But what I will say in terms of diversification, Andrew, reading in your question a little bit. On the jobs and employment, as Larry stated, we don’t have -- there’s no material impact on that -- on us on a go-forward basis. There was a big heavy up in that category towards the end of last year and that category has largely dried up understandably. Outside of that, we are -- I will say that we have constantly broke a lot of new categories. Every few years, there’s a new category of advertising that pops up or becomes large. So I will give you an example like in the casino and online gaming space. We have done extremely well there. That was a category that largely didn’t just a few years ago. So we mobilized pretty quickly around that. And as typical recessions go, some categories are down and new ones pop up and we are usually pretty quick to attack those.

Andrew Boone

Analyst

One more and then I will pass it on. You guys highlighted EBITDA in 2023. Clearly, you have made significant investments in the salesforce over the last kind of year. Can you just talk about your priorities in terms of investments that you guys want to maintain or continue to focus on as we think about EBITDA profitability for 2023?

Chris Vanderhook

Analyst

Definitely. I think we are going to remain opportunistic around -- our priorities will be around product and engineering. Although, what I will say is, we are not going to spend like crazy there. We are going to be measured, but we know that there’s great talent in the market and it is a great opportunity to pick up that tone. We have a great product roadmap as well that we are really confident in. But just, overall, what we will say is that, we are going to be measured around our cost next year. And regardless of what happens in the economy, we are going to set up going into the year that we will deliver positive EBITDA in 2023.

Andrew Boone

Analyst

Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we will now hear from Maria Ripps with Canaccord.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Hi, Maria.

Maria Ripps

Analyst

Yeah. Thank you so much for taking my question. I just wanted to expand on the last question around verticals and my apologies if this was already covered. So we are hearing about very early signs of recovery in the auto vertical. Is that something that you are sort of seeing on your end and could this be sort of an area of upside over the next couple of quarters?

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Well, on…

Larry Madden

Analyst

I…

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

I converted -- go ahead, Larry.

Larry Madden

Analyst

I was just going to say I can take that. That -- as you know, we have talked about it a lot, that vertical has been down probably eight quarters at this point. It represents a relatively small percentage of the total. But we are actually seeing signs in Q4, interestingly enough of that starting to turn to the positive.

Maria Ripps

Analyst

Great. Thank you so much. That’s all I have.

Operator

Operator

And we will now hear from Andrew Marok with Raymond James.

Andrew Marok

Analyst

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. You have spoken towards this point, I think, a little bit previously in the Q&A session. But just to the extent that the reduced spend outlook is the result of companies either shutting down ad spend or pulling back on ad spend more broadly or just kind of consolidating the number of partners that we are -- that they are working with. Just trying to think of the differences between those two scenarios and how easy it would be to reacquire that business once either spend or the relationships came back?

Chris Vanderhook

Analyst

Yeah. That’s a good question. Thanks, Andrew. No. I don’t -- in our case, it’s not that we have lost those customers and they have shut down spending entirely. With the exception of what I would say of this jobs vertical, and again, I don’t -- we haven’t lost those customers. It’s just due to the environment that they have really no dive a lot of the spend there. But what I will say is, yes, to your point, we are fully confident. We still have those clients. They are still in our software. It’s more of a deceleration of spend. But we are fully confident that when that spend comes back, it will be in our software.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Yeah. And just to remind everyone, this is the benefit of programmatic advertising. It’s the flexibility to pause budgets when your business needs to pause budgets, but programmatic advertising is the first to turn back on as soon as they are ready to reaccelerate. We have seen this cycle many, many times and I am sure this is just a low, while they are fixing their own business and the programmatic advertising will be the first button that they pushed to turn back on.

Andrew Marok

Analyst

Got it. Thank you. And then one more, if I could, reading through the slide deck, it looks like you are reiterating your intentions for $500 million in revenue by 20%, 25% and 35% EBITDA margins. I guess in light of the tough conditions now and assuming that maybe lasts into early 2023, can you kind of just draw that line for us and how the thinking around the trajectory of that has changed? Thank you.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Yeah. I mean based on when we look at our current customers, the cohorts and the expected growth with the expected new customer acquisition, I think, where that could go arrive if new customer acquisition has a hiccup in the first half of 2023, maybe in the outer cohorts. As we see it, though, we believe we have the customers on the platform and the scaling of those cohorts is continuing as planned. We talked about the percent of spend business model still doing very well and we are winning customers and they are consolidating more spend. So I don’t see any need that puts risk to that 2025 number in my mind. Chris, anything else to add?

Chris Vanderhook

Analyst

No.

Andrew Marok

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Craig-Hallum’s Jason Kreyer has been the next question.

Jason Kreyer

Analyst

Okay. Very well. I want to talk about the cadence of Q3 and Q4 just from a channel perspective, you highlighted in Q3, the reacceleration of CTV and audio. Just as you go into Q4, are you still seeing more resilience there or are there specific categories that are falling off versus others that are holding up better?

Chris Vanderhook

Analyst

Yeah. I mean, we didn’t give any -- hi, Jason. We didn’t give any guide around that. I’d have to get back to you on those splits. I mean I think what we are seeing is that -- really we are seeing an uptick -- if you look at our guide, we are seeing an uptick from Q3 overall. But I would expect it to be largely consistent with what we saw in Q3. But I don’t have a split for you right now on where we are in the quarter and our guide admittedly was a little bit wider than we normally would give. And part of that is just we are seeing such a late planning cycle very similar to coming out of COVID. There was a real late planning cycle coming out of COVID really for the balance of 2020 and we are seeing that again. And so we still think that -- and I know speaking with some clients, they are still budgeting up in the air even for December, which typically you don’t see. It’s already largely planned by this point. So, tough for me to give you a read on that, but just off the top, I would say, I would expect it to be largely consistent.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

But broadly speaking…

Jason Kreyer

Analyst

Yeah.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

… we have seen brand advertising budgets give way to performance advertising budgets and I think that’s the overarching shift that most advertisers have right now. Larry?

Larry Madden

Analyst

I was going to get a little bit more specific. It is, in fact, kind of consistent across the channels, With the exception being streaming audio, which continues even in Q4 to grow, albeit a relatively small percentage of the total.

Jason Kreyer

Analyst

Okay. Larry, maybe stick with you just on the pricing models, when a customer that, when an advertiser on the fixed fee model sees some of that pullback, does that give you the opportunity to convert them over 2% spend and that usually lead to more client churn and then the opportunity to get them back on the platform in a quarter or two?

Larry Madden

Analyst

Yeah. I think it’s more of reducing those budgets and/or posing some of those budgets. As Tim was mentioning we are not -- the clients aren’t leading, there’s always the opportunity and we are always pushing clients to convert to percentage of spend, it really depends where they are in their kind of programmatic life cycle, in terms of whether they have the trading capabilities, et cetera. But we are constantly talking to our fixed price clients about converting. So that doesn’t change. We do that in tough times and in good times.

Jason Kreyer

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we will now hear from Chris Kantareg [ph] with UBS.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi. Can you hear me okay?

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Yeah. Go ahead, Chris.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. Hi. Chris on for Lloyd. Just maybe digging into the advertising spend guide for 4Q and trying to understand the delta between the down 11% and down 20% that you are guiding to? Should we be thinking about -- I guess, how should we be thinking about retail playing into how you would end up as down 20% versus down 11% in 4Q? Would it be an acceleration of those decelerating trends? Are we already at negative spin in October? Just curious how we should be thinking about retail specifically playing into that guide?

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Larry, do you want to take that.

Larry Madden

Analyst

Yeah. I mean, firstly, in terms of kind of where we are, obviously, October’s in the back. October it was, we saw a low single-digit decline and consistent really with the last four months or five months each month since really June, the decel increases. So we are seeing that into November, that November is going down a bit more than October went down. On the retail side it is impactful, because we do expect that to decline. As I said earlier, that is our largest vertical and so the impact of that is certainly an important part of it. In terms of the range, I mean, it’s -- just given the significant uncertainty out there. We are just being pragmatic in terms of giving a wider range than we ordinarily would, especially mid-quarter. Just to -- not fully understanding exactly what’s going to happen? We have a good sense of what’s going to happen. But we felt the wider range made sense given the increased uncertainty.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Got it. And as we have kind of think about those, like, Tier 2, Tier 3 type of verticals, the long tail for you. Is that at all -- is there an assumption baked into that guidance that it starts to -- the weakness that you are seeing in a couple of these verticals starts to widen out or is it really we should be thinking about retail and jobs is already kind of baked in?

Larry Madden

Analyst

I think that is true. There are -- I mean as in -- what we went through with COVID, there are certain verticals that actually are doing better, but certainly retail, jobs, travel, for example, is still strong even in Q4 to give you a sense.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And then…

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Again to answer specifically, certainly it’s baked in to the guide, retail…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Retail and…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I see.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

I just lost my train of thought…

Larry Madden

Analyst

Jobs.

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

Jobs. Thank you.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Got it. Okay. So further weakness in retail, but not at an accelerating pace of that retail weakness, if that makes sense.

Chris Vanderhook

Analyst

Well, certainly accelerated downward from Q3.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Okay. And just maybe stepping back to just thinking about 2023 and the return to profitability, just how should we be thinking about like scenarios for you to return to double-digit type of EBITDA margins for next year? What would need to happen for that to play out?

Tim Vanderhook

Analyst

I think as we look at, it will take an acceleration of spend to get back to that double-digit EBITDA. I would just say we slowed the pace of our hiring plans pretty tremendously relative to what we were thinking at the start of the year and we kind of will stay ahead of the curve. In terms of just overall operating expenses, they are very much under management’s control. There’s nothing that we feel like we have to keep spending on to be able to achieve growth in the future. It’s more about just managing through this mid- to near-term hiccup.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Understood. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

That concludes our question-and-answer session for today. Tim, Chris or Larry, do any of you have any closing comments for today?

Chris Vanderhook

Analyst

That’s it. Thanks for joining the call and we will see you next year.

Operator

Operator

Okay. Thank you so much, Chris. Everyone, we thank you so much for joining us today. Again, this does conclude today’s earnings call. We thank you all for your participation and look forward to seeing you next earnings. Happy holidays everyone.