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Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 3, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon and welcome to the HCP, Inc. Third Quarter Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Andrew Johns, Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Andrew Johns - HCP, Inc.

Management

Thank you, operator. Welcome to HCP's third quarter financial results conference call. Today's conference call will contain certain forward-looking statements. Although we believe the expectations reflected in any forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, we can give no assurances that our expectations will be met. A discussion of risks and risk factors are detailed in our press release included in our filings with the SEC. We do not undertake any duty to update these forward-looking statements. Certain non-GAAP financial measures will be discussed on this call. In an Exhibit of the 8-K we furnished to the SEC today, we have reconciled our non-GAAP financial measures with the most directly comparable GAAP measures in accordance with Reg G requirements. We've also provided reconciliations of these measures to the most comparable GAAP measures in our Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q, which has been filed with the SEC today and is available on our website. Additionally, we have posted an investor presentation on our website at www.hcpi.com with further details regarding today's announced transaction. I will now turn the call over to our President and Chief Executive Officer, Tom Herzog.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Andrew, and welcome to HCP's third quarter earnings call. Joining me on the call today is Pete Scott, our CFO. Also in the room and available for the Q&A portion of the call are Mike McKee, Executive Chairman; Tom Klaritch, Chief Operating Officer; Kendall Young, Senior Housing Senior Managing Director; and our General Counsel, Troy McHenry. We had an active third quarter and made progress on several fronts, including the announcement of an important transaction with Brookdale, the sale of our remaining investment in RIDEA II, the acquisition of a life science campus in Boston, and the formal launch of a sales process for our remaining UK holdings. Today, we're reaffirming our aggregate cash SPP guidance of 2.5% to 3% and increased our FFO as adjusted guidance by $0.02 at the midpoint, primarily due to the timing of transactions. This morning, we announced a multi-faceted and win-win agreement with Brookdale that creates a plan to right-size our portfolio. I'll give you the headlines and then Pete will take you through the details. First, the benefits of the transaction once fully executed will include the following. For HCP, the benefits will include a clear path to reduce our total Brookdale exposure of the portfolio we are pleased to own long-term, improve our Brookdale triple-net EBITDAR coverage to 1.28 times and EBITDARM coverage to 1.48 times, and will further de-lever our balance sheet. For Brookdale, the transaction reduces lease leverage and exposure to underwater triple-net leases. It will increase their pool of owned assets, shrinks their portfolio of managed assets and is a step towards simplification of the company. The transaction modifies certain rights for both parties. It eliminates HCP's sole and absolute change in control consent rate right, which offers Brookdale more flexibility around any future entity level transactions…

Peter Scott - HCP, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Tom. I will start with a review of our third quarter results, and then go into detail on the transactions we announced this morning. For the third quarter, we reported FFO as adjusted of $0.48 per share and our total portfolio delivered year-over-year same-store cash NOI growth of 3.2%. Going into more detail on our major segments, medical office reported same-store cash NOI growth of 2.5%, driven primarily by contractual rent steps. For life science, our same-store portfolio delivered year-over-year cash NOI growth of 4%, driven by lease escalators and leasing activity. For our senior housing triple-net portfolio, same-store cash NOI grew 2.7% which was in line with our expectations. SHOP SPP for the quarter grew 5.3%. This performance was driven by strong rate growth and the benefits of some expense timing, partially offset by a decline in occupancy. For 2017 guidance, we still expect 2% to 3% expense growth. During the quarter, we recorded a $9 million charge related to the hurricane. The charge is primarily due to property damage and costs associated with preparing for and cleaning up after the storms, partially offset by expected insurance proceeds net of tax. This charge has been added back to FFO as adjusted. As it pertains to our previously announced Brookdale 25 portfolio, during the quarter, we sold two senior housing triple-net assets for $15 million and recognized a gain on sale of $5 million. Since quarter-end, we closed on another two and have one asset remaining with that same buyer expected to close in November which is forecast to net $16 million of proceeds and $6 million in gain. We're making good progress on the balance of the portfolio and expect to either sell or have a transition plan on the remaining asset in early 2018. As it pertains…

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. Our first question comes from Rich Anderson with Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead.

Richard Anderson - Mizuho Securities USA, Inc.

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead

Thanks and good morning out there and congratulations on all of this. So, Pete, on slide 3 of your presentation, I have a question about the cap rate you are applying to the RIDEA acquisition or disposition I should say. In January, you sold a 60% interest that implied a $1.2 billion value and this is a 40% interest implies like a $550 million value if you divide $332 million divided by 60%. So can you kind of connect those dots for me as to why one was so much larger than the other?

Peter Scott - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Rich, I think if you look back at the January transaction, it was actually a $908 million valuation. I think just a little bit of background on RIDEA II. We had previously owned this portfolio in a triple-net lease. And in 2014, we actually sold a 20% stake of it to Brookdale. We actually put some debt in place at that time, around $600 million. So, in January, when CPA purchased our 50% stake of our 80% ownership there, we got back $480 million which was $360 million of debt and $120 million of equity. When you think about this remaining piece we're selling now, this is the $332 million approximately. It's $90 million of equity and $242 million of we call it debt that we loaned into the JV there. So, as we think about total proceeds just from 2014 to today that we've received on this portfolio, it's around $880 million, which will be the total proceeds we receive upon exit. The cap rate on this page here is a blend of what it was when the $908 million valuation was used in January to come up with the proceeds we received. This valuation is a little bit lower here, just given we're selling a minority stake. It's around $830 million. And so the blend is around that 7% on the page, but it was high-6s for the majority stake in January and low-7s for the stake that we sold right now and the blend is around 7%.

Richard Anderson - Mizuho Securities USA, Inc.

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead

Okay. That helps.

Kendall K. Young - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead

This is Kendall. I would add to that that roughly 17% to 20% of the NOI of those assets are from skilled nursing units.

Richard Anderson - Mizuho Securities USA, Inc.

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead

Okay. Great. Thank you. And then the second question, a good disclosure on page 8 with the impact on 2018. When we think – I'm not going to ask you for 2019 guide – or maybe I can get 2019 guidance. I know you're not going to give 2018 guidance. But I'm just thinking about the timeline to how we get back to normal course of business and growth profile and all that. I mean, is it just like, by definition here, another $0.03 of incremental dilution in 2019 from the Brookdale in theory and then from that point it's – you're back to kind of a regular kind of growth profile of the company. Is that would be the last overhang, just $0.03 in 2019? Is that a good way to think about it?

Peter Scott - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah.

Richard Anderson - Mizuho Securities USA, Inc.

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead

The difference between $0.10 and $0.07.

Peter Scott - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah, Rich. And that's the way we did lay it out on the page here now. Obviously, the timing of when these deals close -

Richard Anderson - Mizuho Securities USA, Inc.

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead

Right.

Peter Scott - HCP, Inc.

Management

Will have an impact on it. But our thought on 2018 though would be to continue to disclose as we have now – we added some disclosures to the supplemental – the impacts that we would receive from some of these capital recycling items and looking at more of a normalized FFO, so you guys can understand and the Street can understand the growth rate a little bit better.

Richard Anderson - Mizuho Securities USA, Inc.

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead

Right. So if you get it done sooner than July 1 of 2018, then you're maybe get $0.08 or $0.09 of dilution from the Brookdale transactions and then less...

Peter Scott - HCP, Inc.

Management

In 2018, yes (00:32:34).

Richard Anderson - Mizuho Securities USA, Inc.

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead

Right. Okay. Yeah. I just want to make sure I understood it. That's great. Thanks very much.

Peter Scott - HCP, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Rich.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Jordan Sadler with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Jordan Sadler - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Thank you. Good morning out there. So, Pete, I think in your remarks you were saying with these transactions, the portfolio set is largely complete. I just wanted to dig in there a little bit regarding the remaining exposure to Brookdale, including specifically the CCRCs.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah, Jordan. This is Tom Herzog. The 15% as to where we stand today, we feel very comfortable with that. We feel good about the portfolio that we've retained. And let me speak specifically to the CCRCs. As we have looked at those during the last quarter, we like the assets from an economic perspective. We think you have to look at them over a longer period due to the entrance fees but there also was something that had been in our minds for the last six or nine months. There was going to be an accounting change that back-end loaded on an actuarial basis the income recognition. That was going to be quite punitive. And it was determined by the accounting bodies that they would not carry forward that account in. So, that adjustment that we thought made no sense went away. So as we worked with that portfolio, worked with Brookdale, we determined we should look at this at least for the foreseeable future as a hold. And we may very well come back in the first quarter and carve CCRCs out of our SHOP, disclose them separately both in entrance fees and same-store growth, so that they don't get comingled with the SHOP which is quite confusing. But from an economic perspective when we look at how that prices, we felt that that was going to be a core holding for us going forward.

Jordan Sadler - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay. And then coming back to the guidance. You guys have put together a nice deck here and some good metrics. But on page 7, the total indicative run rate financial impact, I believe this is an annualized number, the $0.07 to $0.10. So the expectation is that basically all of this activity taken together in terms of reducing the exposure to Brookdale and then even recycling up to $225 million of capital into new assets. The net impact including the de-leveraging is only $0.085 of FFO annualized?

Peter Scott - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah. That's correct. Now, as I've mentioned it in my prepared remarks, on a leverage neutral basis, it would be about $0.025 of less dilution.

Jordan Sadler - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Jordan.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Juan Sanabria with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.

Juan C. Sanabria - Bank of America

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Hi. I was just hoping for kind of some more thoughts and color around the Brookdale 25 assets, that original non-core and kind of slippage in timing and pricing that we've seen there and if that's indicative of any maybe potential risk with any of the other asset sales that are now planned as part of what you announced today.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Juan, we don't think it is indicative and Kendall will provide the background as to why.

Kendall K. Young - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Yeah. So on those 25 assets, we are – at least the ones that we have either sold or are under a purchase and sale agreement, we are in the, call it, low 6s, so around 6.3%, 6.4% cap rate. So those have come in line with our expectations. We had a couple properties that fell out and we're evaluating what to do with those but that's limited to five of the assets and we may with those go out and remarket them. And the price that we were getting on those was in that same range. So we feel that that hasn't been disadvantaged by the Brookdale assets and the cap rates are what we had thought they would be.

Juan C. Sanabria - Bank of America

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Okay. And then as far as transitioning some of these Brookdale assets to new operators, could you just talk a little bit about the potential strategic options? Do you want to go and split that exposure out amongst a whole host or a few different operators or are you maybe trying to seed like a new venture to which to then kind of grow and use it as an acquisition vehicle or how are you guys thinking about that potential opportunity?

Kendall K. Young - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Yeah. This is Kendall. So we've identified a handful of operators that we would transition the properties to. All of them are known to us and most of them are current operators for HCP. We do want to limit the number of operators that we do transition assets to, to minimize that transition risk. Just generally, we're focused on operators that have strong performance track records, great systems and processes, local market knowledge including the regulatory environment. And, most importantly, we are focused on operators that have a strong track record in successful transitions. We've realized as we've transitioned assets over the past year, year and a half that that is something that's very important. We've already had conversations with the few operators and starting after this call today we will have more conversations.

Juan C. Sanabria - Bank of America

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead

Thanks.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Smedes Rose with Citi. Please go ahead.

Michael Jason Bilerman - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

Hey. It's Michael Bilerman here. I'm just curious. I think, Tom, in your opening comments you gave a little bit of a chat about the dividend. Maybe you can drill down a little bit more. I mean you're running today $1.48 annualized. You just take the $1.92 and curve off $0.20 and all of a sudden you're at $1.72. And then you think of at least probably $0.25, if not $0.30 of real cash adjustments, putting aside the CCRCs for a second and you're underwater. Now I recognize there's some growth in the portfolio, but you're going to be pretty darn tight, if not underwater on that dividend. And I recognize the balance sheet is in better shape. How do you sort of put all that together?

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Michael, good question. I'm glad you asked it. No, the numbers work a bit different than that. So at the current coverage, we'd be at about 85%. If you go to page 8 and you look at the – you can start with the 2018 impact if you wanted to. The run rate impact, of course, is going to get the benefit of some same-store growth, development deliveries, et cetera, for 2018 and then 2019. So let's just stay over in the 2018, the right-hand side of page 8. We've got the $0.08 that we had already been out and spoken to or at least provided people the information to connect the dots on the 2017 capital recycling. And then we get the Brookdale transactions which we show in 2018 are $0.05 to $0.07, within a range. We got the Genentech and the UK. But you add all those pieces up, capture then – you see that blue box at the bottom to be provided? That includes things like year-over-year same-store growth on a portfolio of assets that should produce good, solid growth, some developments coming online, et cetera. And we definitely are not bumping up against a dividend coverage that's anywhere near 100%. So we've got plenty of room within that.

Michael Jason Bilerman - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

Is that blue box? Is that a net positive -

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah.

Michael Jason Bilerman - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

Type of number? And would be a positive -

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah. One of the – oh sorry. Yeah. How we did this, Michael, is we showed the various earnings impacts from things that people can calculate today from – if you go to our prior investor presentation, we had a page that we had gone through with many investors as we've done road shows. Just so you can reference it, it's page 9 in that prior presentation and we've walked folks through the details of it and that's the $0.08. As you go down through the rest of it, it's primarily Brookdale. And that blue box is all the stuff that has not been added in, and that's important. I think that might have been missed by a couple folks when we read a couple of analyst pieces today. So I think it could be easily missed. But we have not – in this, we have purposely not picked up same-store NOI growth, development coming online, and some of those types of items because we didn't want to provide 2018 guidance yet, because we're still in the middle of our annual operating plan. So we'll be bringing you those numbers in early February, but that is absent from this schedule right now, purposely.

Michael Jason Bilerman - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

Right. Well, looking at those items, you just never know, right? Other items could be a negative item, right? Development coming online, you could have the cap interest come back and the assets may not be fully leased when they come online. You break out a negative on the life science. How do you know there's not something else in the same-store pool? And then annual capital recycling, for all we know, you have additional asset sales. So it's not crazy to think that maybe that blue box is negative, right, without you telling us it's positive, right, given the history here...

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

I hear where you're going. I would say this. As you look at the list of different reset items that we set forth on this page, we have purposely gone through and painstakingly identified things that we said are non-core to our portfolio. And you can see from the magnitude of list that we have I think done a pretty good job in identifying those items. So when you get down to that bottom box, that's a pretty clean box. So year-over-year NOI growth, we've already stripped out, for instance, that lease that we speak to on the right-hand side of the blue box. That's already been incorporated in. We stripped out Genentech and the UK and the mezz debt. So you have to think through in our portfolio how much is there left other than good solid performing assets within our portfolios of MOB, life science and senior housing and a handful of hospitals that have six times coverage. And from developments, we're talking about deliveries on, for instance, The Cove. So you know what that's yielding in that 8% range. So I think if you look at that, you'll probably find that that box is -

Michael Jason Bilerman - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

It's a heart-shaped box.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yes.

Michael Jason Bilerman - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

All right. Thank you.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah. You got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Michael Carroll with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Michael Carroll - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Yeah. Thanks. Can you guys talk a little bit about the recent life science deal in Boston? How do you plan on growing this portfolio going forward and how many different markets do you want to look to expand into?

Thomas M. Klaritch - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead

This is Tom Klaritch. The life science deal in Boston, as we indicated, it's comprised of two parts. There's two existing buildings, 400,000 square feet. Today, they are leased at 66%, but we're pretty far along discussions with two potential tenants that will bring the occupancy there up to 94%, so in line with our underwriting on that deal which will yield about 5.9% on those existing assets. There's the potential to build an additional 209,000 square feet. That is currently in the entitlement process. So we're working through that and we hope to get approval on that sometime in the early 2018 timeframe. As you can see there, we're partnering with King Street Properties on the deal. King Street is a long-term owner and developer of life science assets in the Boston market. We think they're a great partner. They're going to be our boots on the ground and we think we have growth opportunities with them moving forward.

Michael Carroll - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead

And are you also targeting to grow in the Cambridge area or just kind of focusing right now on the suburbs?

Thomas M. Klaritch - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead

We really like the suburbs. If you look at Cambridge, the rents are probably $30 a square foot higher, very hard to get in. There hasn't been a lot of trades in the Cambridge area and cap rates are in the kind of the mid-4% range. In the suburbs, we're seeing opportunities for growth. There's demand out there in the 128 corridors, about 1 million square feet according to the brokerage communities. It's a little easier for the new companies to expand into that market. Rents are about $50 a square foot versus the $80. So we really like those markets. And it's really close to the Cambridge market, about a 10 to 15-minute drive up that Route 128. So we think it's a great area to expand into.

Michael Carroll - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Thomas M. Klaritch - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Thanks, Michael.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Vikram Malhotra with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Vikram Malhotra - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Thanks for taking the question. So just around the $5 million adjustment or rent reduction, maybe you can give us some more color how did you arrive at that number? What sort of assumptions are you making? I know you can't give 2018 guidance, but maybe over a three-year period, what are you assuming for underlying growth? Because I'm sure you don't want to be in a position where you have to give another rent reduction. So what sort of assumptions, even if they're broad, if you can just share some, it would be useful.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Vikram, that's a fairly deep question and I'm glad you asked it. When we put together the transaction with Brookdale, the intent from the very first day was that this would be a win-win transaction. And within that win-win transaction, one of the things we committed to is that we would seek to balance the scale. Neither party would seek to get an advantage over the other. We wanted it to be a good transaction for both parties. So when we looked at the Brookdale team exiting some of those underwater leases, that's to their advantage. And in that big equation, they essentially provided us consideration for that. At the same time, they stepped away from management fees and in the big equation we provided them consideration for that. And within that, there's CapEx and ancillary income and present value calculations and a lot more detail than they will ever want to hear. But when we – that's all said and done and we did the calculations, there was a $5 million per year difference and that was the balancing item. Fortunately, we had a couple of leases that we thought would make sense to reduce that rent, work that into our operations and improve coverages at the same time. So that was literally the balancing transaction within keeping the scales balanced. Vikram Malhotra - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: But are you assuming sort of just growth in line with sort of standard rent bumps? Are you assuming something even more conservative just because you're still getting through all this supply? I mean, can you just give us some sense of just – even if it's longer-term, that'll just be helpful.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah. If you took what we did with the triple-nets, it bumped us to a 1.28 times coverage. And those leases are obviously part of that. So at that point – and I'm not talking EBITDARM; I'm talking EBITDAR coverage. So these are very well-covered leases at this point. So it wasn't in our minds that some further rent reduction was coming behind this. Vikram Malhotra - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Okay. And the bump...

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Did I capture the question properly? Vikram Malhotra - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Yeah. No, that's fair. And the bumps are now still the same as they were for what you've sold or the bumps have changed as well?

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

No, the bump stayed the same. Vikram Malhotra - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Okay. And then, if I can just ask one other separate question. You sort of acknowledged that there's more of an office element now to the portfolio and CapEx. You'll still have the CapEx requirements or needs that you've outlined. What do you need to do now from a portfolio management perspective? I remember a year ago you said there's more to build in terms of internal system, maybe more people. What are some of the bigger steps you need to do now to get the internal asset management team or the two of you have to monitor this portfolio which changed quite a bit?

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Vikram, I'm going to ask for – your question was clear, but I missed a couple of words that were important. What I heard you say is that we're rebalancing the office side of our portfolio relative to senior housing, and what actions are we taking? Is it around senior housing from an asset management perspective? Was that the question? Vikram Malhotra - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: It's both now. Obviously, you have more CapEx requirements. Office generally tends to have more CapEx load, maybe greater focus on kind of leads, et cetera. So I'm just trying to understand like from a team, from a process, and a tool perspective, what do you need to do from here on? Because it's something you mentioned a year ago that your focus would be internal systems and management. So now I'm wondering, given you've got more office, what else do you need to do from now on?

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

I'm going to start the question and I'm actually going to share this one with Tom Klaritch and Kendall. We have, over time, expressed to you that we want to balance out the portfolio in each of the three key segments of life science, MOBs, and senior housing, and the office obviously becomes larger, office and MOBs and life science. We have had, for a long period of time, very strong systems in Nashville with our MOB portfolio. And we're working on building stronger asset management systems, portfolio on asset management teams, et cetera, within senior housing. So, Tom, maybe just a moment on MOBs because you've been strong there for a long time. But especially with Vikram's question on the size of the CapEx and how you think about it, let's turn it to Kendall to talk about senior housing.

Thomas M. Klaritch - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Sure. If you look at our internal systems, one of the things that my new role will be looking at is systems that exist today in each of the segments and really making them consistent across all three as opposed to – we have some great processes and internal systems in medical office that we use for internal benchmarking and monitoring of performance. We'll start rolling those out across the other segments to get more efficiency there. Looking at the CapEx spend, that's another area where we can really implement some tools to real-time monitor a lot of the spend and where we can best appropriate funds in that capital. And we've been doing that in medical office and we're going to spread that out more across life science and senior housing as we move forward.

Kendall K. Young - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Yeah. On the senior housing side, I think, there's a couple elements to the plan for the asset management. It's building the team and then also the system. And if you look at the team, we hired an individual who's running our asset management team. He's got 10 years in the senior housing space and was with a company where he was responsible for FP&A early on in his career and then also setting up an actual management company. So he has very deep experience. We've hired others onto the team that have senior housing experience and that has been very helpful, especially as we look at how we analyze our portfolio, the performance and in our forecasting. And that gets to our systems. We are building an asset management system that will include things that Tom mentioned on CapEx, how we monitor it, how we analyze it going forward. And so we are continuing to improve on our asset management function. Vikram Malhotra - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Okay. Great. Thanks, guys.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Michael Knott with Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Michael Knott - Green Street Advisors LLC

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead

Hey, guys. Curious if you can talk in more detail about the SHOP results in the guidance update there and your take on the future pace of occupancy and the losses there and also supply environment and OpEx and labor.

Peter Scott - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah, Michael. Why don't I start with that? And then for supply, I'll have Kendall give his input. But we did raise our SHOP guidance 50 basis points at the midpoint. I would just point out that 50 basis points translates basically into $1 million of NOI. So it's not a tremendous amount of additional dollars. But what we really saw was an improvement in occupancy, partially as a result of some of the initiatives with Brookdale. We did also see a slight uptick as well in Houston as a result of Hurricane Harvey. So as we thought about our forecast at the end of last quarter, we had said that July was down and we expected perhaps some continued declines as well. What we saw was actually an uptick in August and September which was a positive for us and really one of the main reasons for our costs to tighten up that range and bring the midpoint up as well. And we're pretty confident we're trending right now towards the upper end of that range. And REVPOR is strong. And we look at expenses, we had some favorable timing impact from expenses this quarter. But by and large, we think expenses will still be overall in the 2% to 3% up range for the year. Why don't I turn it over to Kendall to talk about some of the supply issues?

Kendall K. Young - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead

Yeah. So maybe starting off with what we see are some positive trends. If you look at the new starts on a rolling four quarter basis, this last quarter, they fell to the lowest level since the peak in the fourth quarter of 2015. We think this is due in part to lenders being more conservative, rates are higher and also due to rising development costs. Absorption reached 3.4% in this last quarter, which was the highest level since NIC started tracking absorption. So, longer-term, demographics continue to drive increases in absorption and we see supply moderating to more historical levels. We feel pretty good about the markets. Looking to the balance of 2017 and 2018 based on the NIC data, new deliveries will remain elevated through 2017 and through most of 2018. We've obviously seen impact in our portfolio from the new supply as evidenced by the fall off in occupancy. We have readiness plans for our properties that are facing new supply. So we're constantly monitoring that. And a lot of that is focused on CapEx investment and adding sales resources. If you look at some of our bottom performers that we've had, we talked about those in the last quarter. A lot of those were in markets with new supply. And as we look at our Brookdale transaction, we're looking at selling a number of the properties that have faced supply and will continue to face new supply. But then if you also look at some of the markets where there is a lot of new supply like Houston, our assets have performed well, well in excess of the NIC averages. And we think that's due to they have great locations and you really have to look at that 5-mile or 20-minute drive time radius to see how your property is going to perform.

Michael Knott - Green Street Advisors LLC

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead

Okay. Thanks. And then maybe, Pete or Tom, can you talk about the economics of the Columbia Pacific RIDEA sale versus last time? I know, Pete, you touched on it, high 6s last time, low 7s now. I would have thought that gap was a little bit wider. Just curious if you could theoretically attribute that difference in pricing between the minority interest discount that you cited versus sort of an overall deterioration in the market for senior housing asset sales since that first transaction.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

I'll just add on to what Pete said. You're going to have some of both. We have seen some deterioration. It's a minority interest. From an operator perspective, I think, Brookdale is turning the corner and some really good things are happening right now, but that probably had some impact on value. So I would say it's probably those three things.

Michael Knott - Green Street Advisors LLC

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jonathan Hughes with Raymond James. Please go ahead. Jonathan Hughes - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Hey, guys. Congrats on the quarter. Thanks for taking my question. Just one for me, and this is a bit of an extension of Michael's previous question. But looking at the senior housing portfolios and units under construction within the trade area, have you looked at this, including the non-stabilized inventory, in addition to properties under construction? And NIC has kind of said this number is almost 10% nationwide. I'm just trying to understand if you guys look at this and think if this is really the right way to look at the impact of new supply.

Kendall K. Young - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · Raymond James

Yeah. Look, we are always monitoring – this is Kendall. We're always monitoring new supply and our competitors. And so, when we're setting rates, when we're looking at investing money in a property, we are taking those factors into consideration. So if our asset is in a market that's going to face new supply and then there's a lot of other properties that also have low occupancies, we do factor that into our considerations. And as I said, that's something that has gone into when we looked at our Brookdale portfolio trying to figure out which assets we want to sell, which assets we want to transition and which assets to keep with Brookdale. What you just stated was a big factor in determining which assets we would sell. Jonathan Hughes - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Okay. That's fair enough. That's it for me. Thanks.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Jonathan.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from John Kim with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

John P. Kim - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Thanks. Good morning. Just going back to page 8 of your presentation, the anticipated future sales, you're anticipating $0.01 to $0.03 dilution. This assumes 40% to 60% of the 68 assets are sold. But what happens to the assets that you don't sell and you transition to other operators?

Peter Scott - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I mean, those assets as we model them here would have no impact. They would stay within the system. Obviously, a smoother transition is important because you want to make sure that there's no real value drop-off on revenues or NOI while you transition. And as we look at the list of operators that we are looking to transition to, they are experienced operators and they know what they're doing. And we're also going to work closely with Brookdale who's actually very, very good on the transition side. And we've come up with, I think, a good construct in working with them to make sure that this transition goes as smooth as possible.

Kendall K. Young - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

And this is Kendall. I think there's some upside in the assets especially the ones that we're transitioning versus selling.

John P. Kim - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

If it's going to another triple-net structure, wouldn't you have to have a rent reduction?

Kendall K. Young - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

We would move these into a SHOP or a RIDEA structure is the intention.

John P. Kim - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay. And then what about the remain -

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

I'm sorry. The bottom line is you've got to keep in mind for those assets that we sell there would be a dilutive impact that we factored in. For those that we transition, it probably come in around neutral. So when you look at this range that we've set forth, that's what's driving that differential in the dilutive impact.

John P. Kim - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Looking past this slide and the remaining triple-net senior housing operators, right now, the coverage is 1.08 EBITDAR. Do you anticipate selling those assets or transitioning those to RIDEA or rent – what do you think is going to happen with that portfolio?

Kendall K. Young - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

So I'd say a lot of leases, we have pretty strong corporate guarantees from good credits. When you see coverages fall in some of these leases, a lot of times it's one asset that's driving that – one or two assets. And we are in conversations with all of our tenants on how to improve the coverages. And some of those might involve – the strategies might involve selling the assets that are driving that low coverage.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Or transitioning...

Kendall K. Young - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Or transition to another operator that may be better equipped to run that property.

John P. Kim - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

So the pro forma triple-net of 19%, pro forma of these transactions, that will probably come down even further going forward and eventually go to SHOP?

Kendall K. Young - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

I wouldn't say materially. You're talking about one or two assets in each of the leases. And so if you've got a 15 property lease, it might be one or two assets. As you get down to the smaller leases, it's maybe one asset. So it's not a material amount of assets.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Not near-term but over time as those triple-net assets leases either come due or there are actions taken to seek better outcomes, the general trend, as you know, has been toward SHOP arrangements. A lot of the stronger operators have moved that direction and that is a consideration. So I don't think that's unique to us. I think it's something that is a common place in the sector right now.

John P. Kim - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay. And then, finally, I realize this is more of a one-time cost, but can you provide an update on the litigation costs for hiring Scott Brinker and what they may do to G&A next year?

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah, I can. We're in the middle of that right now and it's not a significant number. It's within the number that you see added back in the earnings release. It's a percentage of it. I'd rather not provide the specific number right now.

John P. Kim - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

That's fine. Thank you.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Chad Vanacore with Stifel. Please go ahead. Chad Christopher Vanacore - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: All right. We're running late, so I'm going to keep this fairly simple. You're raised core guidance by about $0.02 at the midpoint. So what factor in there? It looks like you improved the bottom end of the SHOP performance, but that explains somewhere between a $0.25 or $0.005? So what other factors let you raise guidance?

Peter Scott - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah. You hit the most important one which is obviously SHOP. Bringing that up was a factor but then also, as I said in some of my prepared remarks, I mean, we've had some benefit from holding on to certain assets I would say. Tandem was one that we originally had earmarked for an October closing. That's gotten extended into the fourth quarter now or November/December. We're looking at an end of year – we're working towards an end of year close. So when you think about SHOP coming up as well as items like Tandem and then the Brookdale 25, some of those sales getting pushed out into next year, there's a little bit of a benefit from that. So it's a combination of those. Chad Christopher Vanacore - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: All right. And then, when you think about lifting the bottom end of SHOP guidance, should we see some occupancy improvement sequentially from Q3 to Q4 or you expect something flat or you expect to give back some of that?

Peter Scott - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Chad, that is a very good question. As I said, right now, we're trending towards the high end of our guidance on the 0% to minus 2%. If you just do the sequential math, you'll come up with the fact that fourth quarter appears to be down pretty heavily when you just look at – up 2.5% so far year-to-date and then minus 1% at the midpoint. There is an important thing to point out there. I would say that the purchase rebates for the last fourth quarter where we had a pretty big pop in the fourth quarter will work against us this fourth quarter. It does not impact the full year, but it will have an impact in the fourth quarter. When you adjust those out, that negative number, if you do the sequential math, actually comes down quite substantially, about 350 basis points. But we're still – even at the high end, you do that math, we're negative around 3%, 3.5%. That is because there's a lot of moving pieces still. As we look at it here, you've got more deliveries coming in the fourth quarter. Expenses could increase. We've actually been pushing hard on sales and marketing spend. And for the fourth quarter, can generally be volatile, especially with some of these accounting true-ups towards the end of the year as well. So all that led us to be more conservative. I think from an occupancy perspective, we're looking at a slight improvement from where we were before, but probably still around full year down 200 basis point to 250 basis point within our range right now. Chad Christopher Vanacore - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: All right. That's great. Thanks for taking the questions.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Nick Yulico with UBS. Please go ahead.

Nick Yulico - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead

Thanks. So I just want to go back to the Brookdale transaction and your decision to waive, I guess, your full consent rights over any transaction that could happen, change of control at Brookdale. How did you weigh that decision, especially since there's other landlords that have consent rights over Brookdale entity sale? And did you think about trying to get some equity in Brookdale or some sort of upside participation in Brookdale since it seems like this whole transaction improves the cash flow characteristics at Brookdale?

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Nick, I'm glad you asked that. From a standpoint of what we were seeking to get and give, no, we weren't trying to get an equity stake or something of that nature. We felt that when we got done with the trade that we had received something in the net equivalent to what we gave back. One of the things that obviously benefited Brookdale was for us to relieve them of our unfettered consent. But at the same time, what they gave us in exchange has great value to us as well. It put us in a position where we were able to reduce our concentration dramatically. And in a future change in control, we're able to eliminate completely, without penalty, the rest of our SHOP assets and our CCRCs, leaving us with 6% concentration all in triple-nets that also contain financial covenants. So a great place to be. And between now and then, if there's not a change in control and if we have reason to desire to do this, which I can't see us today that we would have a reason to desire it, but we have an any time right to remove the management contracts on all the SHOP assets for a payment equivalent to 3 times management fees. So as we weighed what it is that we're receiving in these rights versus what we're giving up, it felt like it was something that is really good for Brookdale, which is good for us. And it's certainly is something that's good for us. So that's how we looked at it.

Nick Yulico - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead

Okay. Thanks for that, Tom. So one of the question is from a modeling standpoint you have some income tax benefits running through your income statement this year and it's not clear how much of this benefit is actually included in your adjusted FFO calculation. Can you just quantify what the number is for this year, remind us what those benefits comprise? And I'm particularly confused about this since – if you look at your cash flow statement, it looks like you're paying taxes, yet you're booking a benefit on your income statement. Thanks.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah. That would be confusing. What that involved was the hurricane. And within the hurricane, those losses that flow through, there is a tax impact on those losses which results in a tax benefit. So despite the fact that you see that number flowing through the income statement, it ends up where that gets netted against the property damage losses, the prep, the cleanup, et cetera. So there is not an FFO as adjusted impact for that tax benefit. So that all gets wound up in the hurricane. Those are just the losses and the tax impact which had a partial offset against all those losses.

Nick Yulico - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead

Right. But I guess that's for the quarter. That's helpful. But what about – I mean earlier this year, it looks like you also had some of this benefit running through. Just trying to think how much is in your FFO adjusted calculation this year of a tax benefit as we think about items for next year?

Peter Scott - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Nick, I think some of what you're referencing and perhaps we can take it offline is around some benefits in our CCRC venture. I think it's around $4 million per quarter. But why don't we take it offline? I'm happy to get more of the details in front of me. I don't have them all here right now and we can follow up on it.

Nick Yulico - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead

Okay. Thanks.

Peter Scott - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Tayo Okusanya with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Omotayo Tejumade Okusanya - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Good afternoon. Wow, these calls are getting really long now. Just a quick one from me. You had a meaningful amount of acquisition activity this quarter, a lot of it kind of life sciences/MOBs. Just wondering, going forward, is that the focus when you kind of think about acquisitions? And if that's so, if there's any interest in some of these large MOB portfolios that are kind of circulating in the market today?

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Well, I'll put it this way and the question's been asked as well, does that mean we're leaning away from senior housing. What we've said for a while is that we view ourselves as a bit underweight in life science and MOBs. And this transaction actually takes care of some of them. We are not leaning away from senior housing, but we still will identify life science and MOB transactions and probably give some additional influence toward those. As to the larger MOBs that you see out there right now, they're pretty spendy from a pricing perspective. For where we're at right now in our allocation, I'm not sure you'll see us competitively go after those, but at the same time we will look at those and make sure that we understand them. And so, it's more a matter of timing and sources and uses from our perspective and also where do they ultimately price out at. Tom, what would you might add on that?

Thomas M. Klaritch - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

I think the only thing I'd add is if you look today, there's some little better yields available in some of the off-campus portfolios. And while we're primarily an on-campus MOB owner, there are some opportunities out there to look for hospital anchored or very large physician group anchored off-campus assets that probably are 50 basis points to 75 basis points better yielding than the large on-campus portfolio. So we may take a look at some of those moving forward.

Omotayo Tejumade Okusanya - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

How do you think about the quality of those portfolios though versus the quality of what you have today?

Thomas M. Klaritch - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

I think the key there is the anchored by a key hospital system or some of these mega group practices that can have upwards of 100 to 120, 130 doctors in them. And they've been around for 30, 40 years. They have locations all over a market. They're normally regional. I think when you have that kind of occupancy in the buildings, the quality is getting up there with some of the other portfolios you're seeing now. They may be in a little different markets in some instances but on a long-term basis they're very good assets.

Omotayo Tejumade Okusanya - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Got you. Thank you.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Michael Mueller with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Michael W. Mueller - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead

Yeah, hi. A couple quick ones going to first of all, I think it was slide 8, the earnings impact slide. For the $6.5 million life science headwind, is that full year? Does that happen to start mid-year, end of year? Just trying to size up the magnitude of that full impact on an annualized basis.

Peter Scott - HCP, Inc.

Management

That is the full year impact on 2018 and that lease goes into effect. It's basically a February 1 effective lease extension there. So it's 11 months basically of the impact

Michael W. Mueller - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead

Got it. And then one other one on timing. The $5 million rent reduction. Is that effective immediately or does that take place on Jan 1?

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

That is Jan 1

Michael W. Mueller - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead

Jan 1. Okay. That's it. Thank you.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Todd Stender with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Todd Stender - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Hi. Thanks for staying on. Just a follow-up question on the life science acquisition. We're used to seeing scale from HCP in life science like you have in South San Francisco and San Diego, but it might be hard to replicate in Boston. Is this a property type, maybe like medical office, where you're managing it internally? Do you need scale in all these markets and can we see maybe go in other markets where there's smaller footprints?

Thomas M. Klaritch - HCP, Inc.

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

I think you want to have some amount of scale just like in medical office when you look at it. We like to move into a market when we can get 125,000 to 200,000 square feet where you can get some economies in management of the portfolio. You probably look at the same type number in life science. Although, we tend to focus on the big four research markets and obviously we are large in San Francisco and San Diego. Getting the potential 400,000 to 600,000 square feet in Boston is great scale for us. So that's probably where we'll focus.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I would add, Todd. For an initial investment in a major market, 400,000 to 600,000 square feet is a pretty good footprint with a strong partner who has a lot of experience as an owner, developer. And we would hope to grow with them over time. So this is, for us, an opportunity to make a substantial investment in Boston all at one time.

Todd Stender - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Okay. Good point. Okay. Thank you.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Tom Herzog for any closing remarks.

Thomas M. Herzog - HCP, Inc.

Management

Well, thank you, everybody, for joining us and your interest in HCP. We look forward to seeing you all soon, possibly at NAREIT. So thanks again.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.