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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the HCP Conference Call. My name is Emily and I will be your coordinator today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Please note this event is being recorded. Now, I'd like to turn the presentation over to your host for today's conference call, John Lu, Executive Vice President. You may go ahead, sir. John Lu - Executive Vice President - Corporate Finance & Investments: Thank you, operator. Today's conference call will contain certain forward-looking statements, including those about our guidance and the financial position and operations of our tenants. These statements are made as of today's date and reflect our good faith, beliefs, and best judgment based on current information. These statements are subject to the risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are described in our press releases and SEC filings, including our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended 2015. Forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance. Actual results and financial condition may differ materially from those indicated in these forward-looking statements. Future events could render the forward-looking statements untrue and the company expressly disclaims any obligation to update earlier statements as a result of new information. Additionally, certain non-GAAP financial measures will be discussed on this call. We have provided reconciliations of these measures to the most comparable GAAP measures in our supplemental information package and earnings release, both of which have been furnished to the SEC today, and are available on our website at www.hcpi.com. Also during the call, we will discuss certain operating metrics including occupancy, cash flow coverage and same-property performance. These metrics and other related terms are defined in our supplemental information package. I would now turn the call over to our CEO, Lauralee Martin.

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Thank you, John, and welcome to HCP's 2016 first quarter earning conference call. Joining me this morning are Mike McKee, who we announced this morning has been elected Executive Chairman; Tim Schoen, Chief Financial Officer; Justin Hutchens, Chief Investment Officer; and John Lu, EVP of Corporate Finance and Investments. We have a lot to cover today. First, let me highlight some additions and changes to our leadership team. First, as I mentioned, Mike McKee has been elected Executive Chairman of the company. Mike has been one of our longest tenured board members and has served as Non-Executive Chairman of the Board since 2013. He is the former Vice Chairman and CEO of The Irvine Company, and recently had been CEO of Bentall Kennedy, a leading real estate investment manager. Mike and I have worked closely together since I became CEO and I look forward to working even more closely with him in his new role at this important point in the company's history. I'm also pleased to announce the promotion of Justin Hutchens to Chief Investment Officer. Justin continues to be an increasingly valuable contributor to our strategy and execution. In addition, we announced Kai Hsiao, former CEO of Holiday Retirement, has joined HCP as EVP – Senior Housing Asset Management. As most of you know, after a decade of outstanding service to HCP, Tim Schoen has accepted a new position as President of BioMed Realty. This will be his last earnings call with us as our CFO. We sincerely thank him for – all the best in his new opportunity. I am also pleased to report that recruitment process for Tim's replacement is well underway and we hope to have definitive news soon. Today, we are announcing a major step in addressing issues related to our HCR ManorCare portfolio…

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Thank you, Mike. Let me draw your attention to slide three of the presentation. SpinCo's portfolio will be primarily concentrated in HCR ManorCare's post-acute and assisted-living facilities, and will also include the $250 million deferred rent obligation that was negotiated in connection with the March 2015 lease amendment, as well as the 9% investment in HCR's operating company. With a singular focus on a portfolio of primarily post-acute and senior housing assets, a flexible capital structure, and a focused management team led by Mark, we believe SpinCo will be well-positioned to take advantage of dynamics that are unique to the skilled nursing space and provide investors with an attractive investment return for the risk profile. SpinCo is intended to be conservatively capitalized to withstand potential uncertainty from its tenant concentration. Proceeds from the SpinCo debt financing will be distributed to HCP. And importantly, SpinCo would have expanded flexibility to manage, sell, or transition assets as required in a tax-efficient manner. HCP shareholders are expected to receive shares of SpinCo via a pro rata distribution. Following the distribution, HCP shareholders will own shares in both HCP and SpinCo. And the number of HCP shares owned by each shareholder will not change. SpinCo expects to file its initial Form-10 registration statement with the SEC in the next 30 days and the spin-off is expected to be completed in the second half of this year. Turning to the highlights for HCP on page four. We believe this spin gives HCP the ability to reconfirm ourselves as a blue chip, innovative, relationship-oriented healthcare REIT. We will have a strong financial profile, a hallmark of HCP for most of our 31-year history with a premier portfolio weighted towards private pay. We will be focused on our core growth businesses: senior housing, medical office and life…

J. Justin Hutchens - Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer

Management

Thank you, Lauralee. I'll start by offering a very welcome to Kai Hsiao. I've known Kai for a number of years. As Lauralee mentioned earlier, he has joined us as the EVP of Senior Housing Asset Management. Kai brings a wealth of operating experience to our team. He has spent the past seven years with Holiday Retirement corporation, the nation's largest operator of independent living communities, including three years as the company's CEO. He made significant contributions leading the company's to return to market leadership by boosting occupancy and margin. Kai will oversee the performance management of our portfolio with an emphasis on value creation through business analytics, market analysis, financial oversight and asset repositioning. He's literally been in the shoes of our customers and will be a perfect complement to the HCP brand promise of Building Healthy Partnerships. I'm confident that Kai's operating expertise combined with the investment savvy of Kendall Young, our EVP of Senior Housing investments will accelerate our Senior Housing platform for success. Now, I'll discuss transactions demonstrating diversification of our operators. During the quarter, we acquired a portfolio of five private pay communities and one skilled nursing facility for $95 million. All the communities were developed within the past two years and are triple-net leased. We entered into definitive agreements to acquire a portfolio of seven private pay assisted-living communities for $190 million with an expectation to close in the second half of the year. The portfolio will be managed by Senior Lifestyle Corporation in a RIDEA joint venture. With these two transactions, we are adding five new relationships with two national operators and three regional operators. We have also agreed to the sale of half of our 80% ownership interest in our Brookdale RIDEA II joint venture portfolio to a fund operated by Columbia…

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Thank you, Tim. So looking at slide eight. The bottom line is, we believe that spin-off is the right move at the right time for both HCP and HCR. We are proud of our high-quality diversified healthcare portfolio. We differentiate ourselves in the market with our Building Healthy Partnerships approach executed by seasoned sector leaders and investment teams with operating experience and knowledge. We further confirmed this differentiation with our announcement of Kai Hsiao joining our team. Pro forma HCP has an investment grade balance sheet with significant liquidity supported by a higher-quality portfolio income from a stable private pay income stream. We are eliminating exposure to an industry with reimbursement models in transition, while our shareholders have the opportunity to realize substantial upside potential in SpinCo as an investment vehicle to optimize the long-term solution for the HCR ManorCare assets. By capitalizing on the difference in cost of capital between HCP's and SpinCo's respective healthcare sectors, HCP will be better positioned to deliver consistent returns while accelerating our internal and external growth profile. In summary, HCP's approach of Building Healthy Partnerships, combined with an improved cost of capital, will lead to accretive investment growth. With that, I'll now ask the operator to open the line for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our first question is from Vikram Malhotra of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Vikram Malhotra - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Thank you. Congrats guys on getting the – all the transactions and I'm sure it's been very hectic. And, Tim, congrats on a great stint here; we'll miss you. Timothy M. Schoen - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Thank you. Vikram Malhotra - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Just – so quickly just first on the SpinCo, I was just looking through it, it sort of – I think you highlighted that SpinCo will be structured as a REIT initially. Does that mean you may look at some alternative structures or there may be other structures down the road?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

What we've tried to, and I think we've done it very well is give spin all the tools to realize the value that's embedded in the HCR portfolio. So contrary to HCP, it was a committed blue chip REIT. They have choices. And they can use those choices. So they are a REIT, but it doesn't prohibit them from making other choices as they think about what they want to do to maximize that value. Vikram Malhotra - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Okay. And then the – just a reminder, the assets that are – those 50 assets, that sale will be completed prior to the spin?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

It is. It's going to happen in the second half of this year and I would expect that it should mostly get done if not – very shortly thereafter. Vikram Malhotra - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Okay. And then just on the Brookdale transaction, the – can you give us some sense of what the cap – what that represents in terms of the cap rate?

J. Justin Hutchens - Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer

Management

Sure. This is Justin. On a trailing basis it's about a 6.5% cap. Vikram Malhotra - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Okay, 6.5%. And then just last one on Senior – just on Senior Housing. I believe there is a small amount of NOI, I think it's 0.5% coming, which I don't think it's Brookdale, but it's – the lease is up for renewal this year and I think it's around one-times covered. Can you just give us any thoughts on what you do with that lease?

J. Justin Hutchens - Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer

Management

Sure. That is a portfolio that's leased to Atria and we're still in discussions in terms of next steps for those properties. Vikram Malhotra - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC: Okay. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Nick Yulico of UBS. Please go ahead.

Nick Yulico - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead

Thanks. I was hoping to get some more financial details on the spin particularly with the debt that SpinCo is going to raise, what level, what amount, what type of rate, G&A for SpinCo, and then also what we can think about as a dividend.

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Okay. Well, there's a number of questions in there, so let me take the first one. As we have in the deck that we've presented to you, we'll be raising plus or minus about $2.75 billion of proceeds, of which $740 million is RIDEA II, as we think about HCP after. But if I go to that $2 billion and think about spin, what we've been told by advisors is that there is debt out there in the marketplace that definitely can be achieved at about a 5 times leverage at market-level rents. And so what we've assumed is we can get proceeds on that basis. And the additional amount that gets to the $2 billion will be asset sales that HCP will do, that will then focus us on about 6.5 times leverage. Relative to dividend, I'm going to answer that both HCP and spin, until the spin happens, our current dividend policy will continue. Post-spin, obviously, the dividend policy for spin will be set by the board of that company. But if I think about HCP post-spin, going back to our investment thesis, will be a very high-quality private pay portfolio, definitely focused on having a very strong investment grade balance sheet. And I expect that we will have a dividend policy that is focused on total shareholder return, which means growth in the company and growth in our dividend. And I think you had one more question that I might have lost. There was three in there.

Nick Yulico - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead

No. I guess for all of these details, I mean, do you expect to be putting these out in a little bit more precise way over the next couple months, so we can figure out how to...

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Very good question. There will be a Form 10 that will come out in about a month which will define all of this, the investment thesis of spin and all those level of details. So we've announced that transaction. That Form 10 is in process, and then you'll have a lot more information.

Nick Yulico - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead

Okay. And then turning to the spin, you talked about that you engaged Carlyle and HCR in discussions, but did you get approval from HCR ManorCare to do the spin? Do you need to get approval? And then maybe you could talk about what other approvals you might need, regulatory approvals at the state level or otherwise for the spin to happen? Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: Yeah. This is Mike McKee. When we mentioned conversations with HCR ManorCare and Carlyle, that's an ongoing process. We do that routinely and have for a long time. They're aware of the plans we have announced today. But we do not need their permission. We don't need state regulatory approval. There are some SEC filings. But frankly, the mechanics are pretty routine. And we don't expect any barriers to executing the spin in a timeframe of about three months to four months. So it is a very clean transaction from that perspective and we'll be working on it with Mark or Dan in the weeks to come.

Nick Yulico - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead

Okay. I think Ross has a follow-up question.

Ross T. Nussbaum - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead

Yeah. Good morning, everyone. Mike, I guess this question is for you. When I read the press release and I see your three main areas of responsibility being strategic growth, leadership development, and completing the spin-off; normally, those are responsibilities that I would think of as being aligned with the Chief Executive Officer of the company. So maybe my question is what's the message that the investment community should be receiving here that these primary responsibilities are going to an Executive Chairman role and not to Lauralee? Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: Well, I think if you – the way I'd answer your question is, if you look – if you step back a little, you'll see that our management team has gone through a significant transition certainly over the last couple of years, and really importantly, even in the last some months. We have a new CEO for the last several years. More closely, we have a new CIO. We have a new General Counsel. We are well on our way to – in our search for a new CFO. We've announced my addition as an Executive Chair. We've announced today Kai Hsiao coming in in his capacity. When you look at that team that has been assembled, one thing I would note is that four of these leaders have been CEOs of very notable organizations before they came together here as a team. And even on our P&L leadership front, I think you've heard in the past we're very proud that Tom Klaritch, Jon Bergschneider, and Kendall Young are very well-known in their respective sectors. This team that's been assembled and transitioned has pretty impeccable real estate, healthcare, operating company, finance, and investment credentials. And the board is very…

Ross T. Nussbaum - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead

Appreciate the thoughts. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Juan Sanabria of Bank of America. Please go ahead. And your line is live, perhaps it's muted on your end.

Juan C. Sanabria - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead. And your line is live, perhaps it's muted on your end

Sorry, I apologize. I just wanted to follow-up on Nick's question on the leverage at SpinCo. Did you say you're looking to raise about $2 billion of debt at SpinCo or I'm not sure if there was a material amount of potential other non-core dispositions that would get you to that sum that you've highlighted in your presentation as far as capital coming back to HCP?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

No, I did not say there would be $2 billion at SpinCo. That's the amount of capital in addition to the RIDEA. We target to have HCP be at the right level. The amount of debt at SpinCo, we expect to be at about a five times leverage ratio on market level rents at SpinCo. That's a number that we've validated through our advisors, that they feel is achievable in the marketplace just given yield and risk reward.

Juan C. Sanabria - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead. And your line is live, perhaps it's muted on your end

So that would be based on potentially a rent cut figure? And is that 5 times the net debt-to-EBITDA number?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Yes, yes. And that's how we told they would underwrite it. It doesn't mean there is any change in the EBITDA, but that's how they would underwrite it.

Juan C. Sanabria - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead. And your line is live, perhaps it's muted on your end

Okay. And then on G&A, so how much incremental G&A are the two entities post-spin? How much extra G&A are we talking? How many dis-synergies?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

I would think – say it's immaterial. And those details will come out when we do the Form 10.

Juan C. Sanabria - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead. And your line is live, perhaps it's muted on your end

And how about for pro forma HCP; is G&A going to go down? I know you've added Kai and are you net-losing G&A and that you're presumably going to have some head count go with SpinCo? How should we think about pro forma HCP, where the details won't be in a Form 10?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

See, there will be services that we will contract SpinCo out of HCP. But I think it's premature to have much more than that at this time. Again, we think it's not material and we expect sort of the similar run rate ratio.

Juan C. Sanabria - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead. And your line is live, perhaps it's muted on your end

And just a big strategic question. Was there a contemplation to a strategic review of HCP as a whole not just ManorCare? Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: This is Mike McKee again. Over the last three months or four months – we told you on the last earnings call that we were going to look at all of our options and we have run a process that has done that. We've had a number of meetings at the board level, many more at the management team level, we've been advised by some very experienced financial and legal advisors, and we went through a comprehensive process and looked at all of our alternatives. A number of those alternatives remain open with SpinCo. And as we tried to emphasize today, we think that that vehicle is a much more flexible vehicle to open up a full menu of options that aren't as easily accommodated at HCP. So we look forward to executing the spin and then having Mark or Dan and his team continue to keep open avenues that go after that value. So I can assure you that there have been hundreds of hours of analysis, discussion, pros and cons. Obviously, some of that stays in the boardroom, but I can certainly assure you it's been quite comprehensive.

Juan C. Sanabria - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead. And your line is live, perhaps it's muted on your end

Great. And just a last quick question from me. What's the pro forma exposure to Brookdale of HCP? And could you just remind us – I think you talked about a second leg of Brookdale dispositions; what the quantum there is and views on valuation for those assets?

J. Justin Hutchens - Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer

Management

Sure. This is Justin. Post-spin, the concentration will be about a third. And we were – I should mention that we find it to be a double-edged sword to some degree because we think Brookdale is on solid footing, new management, fresh approach. Certainly, our operating portfolio has seen really good results, but we're mindful of concentrations and capital recycling. So the RIDEA II transaction, I mentioned, presented opportunity for us. Meanwhile, we're in regular discussions with Brookdale in terms of how to unlock value within our triple-net portfolio. I mentioned 25 assets, the valuation relative to those assets hasn't really been determined. I can tell you our intention is to either sell assets, or in the event that those non-core assets for Brookdale are in fact a core asset for a regional operator, we may place those with a new operator. The intent is to be cash flow neutral. There'll be a little bit of pickup due to some of the performance of the assets. And so we're actually expecting a slight improvement in our cash flow coverage about 1 and 1.5 times as a result of the transaction. But a lot of the details are still being discussed. And we'll have more down the road as that materializes.

Juan C. Sanabria - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead. And your line is live, perhaps it's muted on your end

Thanks. Good luck.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Smedes Rose of Citi. Please go ahead.

Smedes Rose - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

Hi. Thanks. I just wanted to know are there any changes to your EBITDA outlook for ManorCare versus what you've provided in the fourth quarter.

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

No, no. Actually ManorCare sequentially had an improvement in the first quarter and that performance still stays in the guidance that we gave you last quarter.

Smedes Rose - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

And when you set the market level rents at the new SpinCo, what sort of coverage ratios do you think are market level now for SNF portfolios?

J. Justin Hutchens - Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer

Management

Yeah. This is Justin. There is ranges we've actually spoken to in the past and you can get this tied as – about a – maybe blend it to 1.3 over an 8. And depending on the specific asset, you may go a little higher coverage, higher yield; in certain markets, in certain higher-quality assets, you might be on the lower end of that number.

Smedes Rose - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you.

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Remember that SpinCo will have both the post-acute/skilled asset which ManorCare is in the marketplace known as having very high-quality real estate, as well as the Arden Court memory care which is the private pay senior housing asset.

Smedes Rose - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Kevin Tyler of Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.

Kevin Tyler - Green Street Advisors, LLC

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead

Yeah. Good morning. Mike, just a quick follow-up on Ross' question. Post-spin, do you plan to move to a less active role or are you planning to be involved with day-to-day activities for the longer-term at this point? Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: Well, I'm signed up for – my longer-term might not be your longer term, but it's not a short-term assignment, let me put it that way. I think that we've got – we're very excited after a couple of years of almost an obsession with HCR ManorCare to get into – back to the growth profile we used to over our 30-plus years. So we don't really have a time horizon. I'm not going to be day-to-day managing the company, that's Lauralee and the team's job. But I am going to be active in my role focused on in the near term certainly helping Mark or Dan and the team execute SpinCo. But we've got a lot of other things to do. And so I'm sure that'll keep me relatively busy.

Kevin Tyler - Green Street Advisors, LLC

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead

Okay. Thanks. And then in the deck, you mentioned a wide range of strategies available to be pursued by SpinCo. Can you just elaborate a little bit further on those? And then maybe how quickly we should expect them to play out? And is there a range of expectations? You mentioned the rent cut, is there a range of expectations that's been discussed? How should we think about quantifying that? And then, lastly, on the ManorCare piece, is there any update as it relates to the DOJ?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Let me take the last one, because it's real quick. No change, really nothing to update you on. I think it's early to discuss what's going to happen at SpinCo. What we have done is give SpinCo all the tools to optimize what they can do. I don't think we need to remind you that a REIT is limited to ownership of less than 10%. We've done certain things in terms of the structure that SpinCo can do in terms of positioning the assets on their valuation. So the structure spin really does not foreclose out any options, it's just way too early to have that play through.

J. Justin Hutchens - Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer

Management

I also think there's a recognition that absent some divine intervention, this is a process that's likely to take some time. And it's not just related to HCR ManorCare, but the whole space of post-acute and SNFs, as you well know, is in a challenged period of time. As we said in our prepared remarks, we think that over the long term, this is a necessary area, one that the government will support and one that will be even more important long term in the continuum of care as there is an emphasis of moving patients who can't go home out of hospitals and into this kind of care. But right now, the issues facing the industry are complex and many, and we can't predict at this time how long it will take for the industry to stabilize. And we have been rather patient at HCP, in my opinion, about trying to see if there is some recovery on the horizon; but right now, we can't predict when that is. So one of the motivations in moving to the spin was the recognition that if you can't predict that and you have an overhang on the 75% of the business which we think is pretty terrific, the spin just makes a lot of sense to us to not only to give more flexibility around options, but also to recognize this is likely to take some time.

Kevin Tyler - Green Street Advisors, LLC

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead

Okay. Thanks for the added color. And then just one last one and kind of a nitpicker on the deck, but you mentioned that HCP could provide seller financing at market terms for a limited period of time to the SpinCo. I guess I was just wondering, is there an order of magnitude that that could go up to? Is it free rein? Or how are you thinking about that part of a potential arrangement?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Well, overall, we are going to keep the leverage and the balance sheet at SpinCo conservative. So don't assume there's going to be a significant amount of debt placed on us in seller financing. Also, if we do provide seller financing, it's because we think it is the right thing for HCP Prime to do so and that it would be a good interim investment for us as this plays through. So again, that's still to be determined, flexibility around it, but all of the financing structures at both HCP and SpinCo are to have balance sheets that support the investment theses of both companies.

Kevin Tyler - Green Street Advisors, LLC

Analyst · Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead

Okay. Thanks Lauralee.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Chad Vanacore of Stifel. Please go ahead. Chad Vanacore - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Good morning all. Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: Hello. Good morning. Chad Vanacore - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Hi.

J. Justin Hutchens - Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer

Management

Good morning. Chad Vanacore - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: So just thinking about the SpinCo ManorCare, are there any expected changes to ManorCare lease terms post-spin, that could be on maturities, rent, escalators or any other material items?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

We're not – that will really be a determination of spin. We're not anticipating anything at this time. Chad Vanacore - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Okay. And then – I mean, do you expect any changes to rent or rent coverage on that portfolio pro forma for the spin and dispositions? I know right now you say you're expecting rent coverage to be 1.06 to 1.16.

J. Justin Hutchens - Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer

Management

You know, Spin is going to have its own management team, its own board. They are going to be laser-focused on, at the outset, being the landlord here. I think that, with due respect, SpinCo won't probably be in existence for a few months now and they'll have to respond to facts on the ground. We don't know, and it's hard to predict what's happening, and it's very dynamic. So I think it wouldn't be helpful, frankly, to try to look out a little bit and wonder what happened. We know what's happened in the last quarter or two, we know that the basic – as Lauralee said a little bit ago, they're moving forward, and we assume that will continue, but we're not in a position as landlord to really have visibility of that. So I think it's hard to predict. Chad Vanacore - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: All right. Then implied by the statement that you've levered it up commensurate with what a market would bear, what would you estimate the difference between current rents and market level rents are right now?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

I think Justin addressed it when he talked about coverage. So I think that would really be the math and you can do it your own way. But market generally looks at coverage levels. And I think that's the way the underwriters will look at it when they put their debt on it. Chad Vanacore - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: All right. But, Lauralee, right now, I mean, we're looking at just a little over 1 times rent coverage, yeah, and you say five times what a market level rent would be. And that implies that market level rents are below where they are now. Would that be appropriate to think about?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

That is how the debt underwriters will underwrite it, that's correct. Chad Vanacore - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Okay. And then what does a contemplated capital structure look like for SpinCo? Is it secured debt? Is it unsecured? Is it to be determined?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

It's to be determined. But again, we would look for the best financing to make SpinCo and their investment thesis successful. Chad Vanacore - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: All right. And then you mentioned in the press release about a tax implication. I know this quarter it looks like you have $49 million of income tax associated with a gain on disposals. What kind of taxable event should we expect post-SpinCo? Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: Chad, that's – the $53 million that we talked about, that's a potential tax liability. The actual amount will be dependent on how the transaction takes place. But from a federal perspective, we've cleared through a holding period and the tax liability that's associated with the HCR ManorCare assets is really at a state level. But the ultimate exposure will be dependent on the transaction that gets executed, but it wouldn't be any larger than $49 million. Chad Vanacore - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: All right. And then are there any updates on the ManorCare potential DOJ settlement? Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: No. Chad Vanacore - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: All right. One last question from me. What do you think the market is not getting right about this ManorCare portfolio as part of HCP that you think will be recognized as stand-alone entity? Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: Well, that's really I think an interesting question. We think SpinCo is going to be a very interesting company actually. Often spins are motivated by a desire to separate off assets that are a drag on the overall business, and certainly that's the case here. But having said that, as mentioned earlier, many still consider HCR ManorCare as a leader in this space based on their quality of care and clinical capabilities and the quality of the real estate. So there's a lot for Mark or Dan to work with here. And we believe in a dedicated vehicle, he'll be able to better translate to the market the potential in the platform. There's been a lot of focus on it, not just through us but more generally in the space. But we think the dedicated vehicle will allow more transparency to the extent we have it. Again, as a landlord, you're somewhat limited; you're not the operator. But nevertheless, we think that with his background in healthcare, in real estate, as CEO of several spins or turnarounds and a successful track record, that he's uniquely positioned to both translate to the market but also find the path of different alternatives that unlock the most value.

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

I might add one thing to that in terms of value at HCP. I think one of the things that's very difficult for the marketplace to look at is, is really the value of the 75% of our business. Because while that is an overhang, it means that we don't have the growth dynamics that we would have with a cleaner cost of capital and a clearer vision by the marketplace of what we can do with that portfolio. So there is a way to optimize the SpinCo, but it gives a very clear path of what HCP is and the potential of the portfolio, the growth dynamics and what the management team can do with that. Chad Vanacore - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: All right. That's it for me. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Michael Carroll of RBC. Please go ahead.

Michael Carroll - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · RBC. Please go ahead

Thanks. Can you guys talk a little bit about the sequential improvement that HCR ManorCare was able to achieve? What drove the occupancy improvement? Is that sustainable? Timothy M. Schoen - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: There was a seasonally higher census improvement. They're coming off of a particularly bad Q4, so they actually had about a 20% increase, up about $21 million in Q1. Flu season was soft, but it was also a little late this year. So performance is relatively stable.

Michael Carroll - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · RBC. Please go ahead

And then can you kind of describe why fourth quarter was so weak, and is it possible for, I guess, the second half performance that we saw in 2015 to reoccur in the future?

J. Justin Hutchens - Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer

Management

This is a business that's clearly seasonal. And quite frankly, we were surprised by Q4, because typically the fourth quarter in skilled nursing industry is strong. We would have expected it to lift over Q3, it didn't happen. We're pleased to see the Q1 performance. There is usually a softness in the summer months and then it picks up again in the later part of the year. We can't predict that now. Certainly, had a little surprise even in the second half of last year, but thus far things look stable.

Michael Carroll - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · RBC. Please go ahead

Okay, great. And then, Lauralee, can you talk a little bit about HCP's new leverage goals. I think you target 6.5, is that 6.5 just until the spin occurs, and then you want to get back closer to HCP's longer-term goals that they have set? Or do you plan on running with a little bit higher leverage?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

No , our long-term goal is to get down to the 6 times. What we have in the 6.5 is what we see a very defined plan that we can guide you to, both with proceeds from spin and with asset sales and relatively frictionless payoff of high coupon debt. And so that gets us to the 6.5 times, but our long-term goal is to get down to 6 times, if now below.

Michael Carroll - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · RBC. Please go ahead

Okay, great. And then, sorry if I missed this earlier, but did you guys mentioned why the same-store forecast for the triple-net senior housing portfolio has dropped? I mean, are you expecting amendments there or is this really it's failed?

J. Justin Hutchens - Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer

Management

In the same-store, there is a rent cut that was given – that was associated with the transaction we did a couple of years ago with Brookdale where they extinguished the purchase option. So it was about a $7 million hit to our triple-net income due to that rent cut.

Michael Carroll - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · RBC. Please go ahead

And that wasn't contemplated in the guidance that was given in the fourth quarter? Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: Yeah. I think you're referencing the slight downtick, Mike. It's actually a little weaker performance in the first quarter from Sunrise.

Michael Carroll - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · RBC. Please go ahead

Okay. But it looks the RIDEA growth was picked up higher. Is there a change to the triple-net leases then? Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: Let me just address that RIDEA part. Absolutely, performance is solid there. Same-store was up about 9% and then the overall portfolio had really strong double-digit growth over prior quarter sequentially. So we feel great about the operating portfolio performance. We have not adjusted any guidance relative to our RIDEA operating portfolio at this time. It's early in the year, as I mentioned, skilled nursing fees and also the senior housing. Obviously, we want to see the year play out a bit more and then we'll consider making adjustments to our expectations in terms of our operating portfolio growth. However, at this point in time, it looks like we've come out towards the top end of our range in terms of expectations there.

Michael Carroll - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · RBC. Please go ahead

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Andrew Rosivach of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Andrew Rosivach - Goldman Sachs & Co.: Hey. Good morning, Tim. I'm curious, I'm guessing as part of this process you've seen the performance of previous spins and you own HCP now and you also own SpinCo and CCP had a tough run; WPG, where Mr. Ordan work had a tough run as well, what are kind of the lessons learned and why you think the spin can do better? Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: This is Mike McKee. We've looked at a lot of spins, some have done well, some not so well, you've referenced a couple. I guess what I would focus on here is that a number of spins are spinning off assets that are not well received in the marketplace really for reasons that aren't related to some of the reasons that we're dealing with post-acute and SNF here. In one case, it was B-malls; in another case it might be lesser-quality facilities. We really are dealing here with an industry leader and you can talk about the industry being in some stress. But I don't think anybody would say that this is bad real estate or that the kind of quality of care that's going on here isn't top quality. So there's a lot to work with here. In its purest form, it is a workout type of situation. But I would say that in some of the brainstorming we've done, there are lots of options out in the marketplace, because the whole space is in transition and trying to cope with many of the same problems. So we think that there is a wide array of strategies that could be considered once…

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Tayo Okusanya of Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Omotayo Tejumade Okusanya - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Hi. Good morning, everyone. First of all, I just want to say congratulations to Tim. You definitely will be missed. Then question wise, I think I just wanted to go back to the question of – it's been asked one or two times, but I feel like we've been dancing around it a little bit, this idea of – with ManorCare, what exactly as an independent REIT or SpinCo, what will SpinCo be able to do, that could not be done under HCP? Just kind of – to an extent, HCP provide a diversification, HCP provide a lower cost of capital. What can SpinCo really do to maximize shareholder value that just could not be done under the HCP platform?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Well, if we think about the investment thesis saying that this is an entity that is able to respond to and weather the changes in the industry coming from reimbursement, what we've done is not only put the assets in at capital structure that will be conservative that it can work with that, but if we think about the limitations of the REIT, we can only own 10%. We're putting our 10% ownership into SpinCo. We're also putting our DRO into SpinCo, which the marketplace has not valued, yet it has a great deal of value when you think about trades and so forth to the operating company. And with a flexibility that it can do different things as it thinks about what it wants to do with the lease in place to make trades or not and optimize what it has. And we've also given it the capability to have a basis in the assets, which we did not have before that it can do more things with the assets in terms of selling them et cetera. So there's just a lot of tools, but in HCP our shareholders expect consistency. And that's very hard to deliver when there is an unknown expectation. The investment thesis of SpinCo is you might expect some unexpected, but if those things happen, it's probably because value was created. So it's just a different investment thesis that is better optimized outside of HCP. And that's what we feel we need to do for the shareholders.

Omotayo Tejumade Okusanya - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

But along those lines if SpinCo is going to be a REIT, I would think, again the average REIT shareholder wants stability of cash flow, that's why we – the REIT that can generate consistent earnings is the one that trades at a higher multiple. Like why would I want to own SpinCo if there's going to be all these uncertainty and all these variability right off the bat? Like I'm just a little confused about the value I get from SpinCo as an investor. Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: Well, I think that – again, to add a little bit, Lauralee hit on it; as a REIT and as a diversified REIT with the kind of credit rating and so forth that we have – we are generally a passive investor. We cannot own more than 9.9% of the equity. If some of these facilities down the road need to be operated, we can't be an operator. There are a number of things that might occur, we don't know which path we will ultimately go down. But SpinCo can – I think it was referred to earlier, we will set it up as a REIT, it will be a REIT, it doesn't have to stay a REIT. HCP is going to be a REIT, period in the paragraph. So when you start to kind of go down the options that we – I told you we spent a lot of time thinking about numerous options, a number of them were foreclosed because of the vehicle HCP that the assets are held in. SpinCo won't be so restricted.

Omotayo Tejumade Okusanya - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Okay.

J. Justin Hutchens - Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer

Management

I'd just add to that. In terms of the variability, when we did the valuation last quarter and established a new carrying value of the asset to a market level lease rate and coverage, there was a reduction in our carrying value. In the case of Spin, I would expect that they're probably going to likely start out. The market will give them what they think the value is. It was an impairment on our side; in their case, it will be just the reality from the start. Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: And I'd say one other thing, we're really – SpinCo is very interesting to us. We're excited about Mark or Dan and what he can bring to that vehicle. But as we said earlier and I don't think we should move away from it, this is about HCP. When you look at what Simon did for example, people say, well, that spin was lackluster after a while, but it did a hell of a lot for Simon Property. So we expect that HCP is going to have a very strong growth profile and some of the relationships we have that we want to exploit are going to be at our front door now. So I think although we're spending a lot of time and should today about SpinCo, we need to really be excited about what's going to happen with HCP.

Omotayo Tejumade Okusanya - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Okay. Fair enough. Is this a tax-free spin-off to HCP?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

No. This doesn't qualify as a tax-free under the code. However, I'm going to take it in two pieces. For our shareholders, effectively the net effect is it will operate like a tax-free return of capital. And then, equally important for HCP, we do not expect that we will recognize any taxable income at the corporate REIT level. So net-net, this is an optimum structure.

Omotayo Tejumade Okusanya - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Got it. Okay. And then, just one more, if you may indulge me. In the new guidance you did mention your cash same-store NOI, your RIDEA numbers for cash same-store NOI go up, but the numbers for the overall Senior Housing portfolio came down. Could you talk a little bit about what you're expecting on the triple-net side then? Timothy M. Schoen - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Yeah, the triple-net came down for a couple of reasons. One is – primarily it's related to the rent cut that Brookdale received. It was agreed to a couple of years ago as part of that transaction where we extinguished the purchase options.

Omotayo Tejumade Okusanya - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Okay. Timothy M. Schoen - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: About $7 million reduction. So that was an impact on the triple-net side. And then as you noted, we're off to a strong start on the operating portfolio.

Omotayo Tejumade Okusanya - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead

Okay. I'll yield the floor. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Todd Stender of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Todd Stender - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Hi. Thanks. I'm not sure if I missed this. But what is the amount of the dividend that SpinCo will pay HCP? Has that been determined yet?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

What we've talked about is that there will be debt proceeds raised at SpinCo that will come back to HCP, but that's not a dividend. Dividend policies will be – their dividend policy will be set by their board, but that'll be to their shareholders. Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: It'll be more of a distribution.

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Right.

Todd Stender - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Okay. But money back to HCP, is that not the case?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Well, that's the distribution back to us. Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: There will be a distribution back to HCP. I think the exact amount we'll announce as we get closer into spin, because it depends on just market conditions at the time. So I don't think we should give you a number now. But that will come out as we get closer to the time of executing the spin.

Todd Stender - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Okay. And how about – what about the 61 HCR ManorCare, the senior housing properties that are largely memory care, what happens to those?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

They will be in the SpinCo at this time.

Todd Stender - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Okay. And then just – I guess what happens to the HCP dividend rate on the common? You guys have had a long-standing history of being a dividend achiever. How does this transaction affect the current rate?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Again, as I said earlier, our current dividend policy will stay in place until the spin is completed. And then post-spin, we will be looking at what is the right capital structure dividend et cetera. But our focus is on total shareholder return; in that it's growth for our shareholders which includes a dividend growth. So at this point in time, that that dividend policy – that would be the policy, but a dividend has not yet been set.

Todd Stender - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Okay. And then just finally, Justin, you talked about the Brookdale concentration certainly going to decline with the sale of the RIDEA portion. But you mentioned additional facilities you might either switch out the operator or sell. Where does that Brookdale concentration ultimately go to? I wonder if you could talk about a target maybe.

J. Justin Hutchens - Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer

Management

I'm glad you asked that because I wanted to make another statement regarding the RIDEA II transaction. The beauty of it is that we remain an owner in all 49 assets, we like the relationship, we like the assets, we like the markets, and that we're enjoying a strong performance over the past couple of quarters, and we'll continue to do so. As an owner, we're just going to own less of it and we're doing the transaction with a joint venture partner that we can grow with over time. And perhaps in time, we might be interested in buying the assets back. We wouldn't rule that out. So it was a way to address concentration, address recycling, but still maintaining a relationship that we have a lot of confidence in and that will be an ongoing dialog we'll have with investors, because, as I said, we're probably going to be about down to – a third of our portfolio will be Brookdale post-spin. Certainly, to Mike's point and Lauralee's point, we will grow again that's our intent and that will help diversification. And I gave some examples earlier of some transactions that are bringing new operators to our company; we anticipate more of that. And then, in regards to the triple-net discussions, there's been 25 non-core assets identified so far with Brookdale. There'll be more discussions with Brookdale. We have a great, very fluid dialog with them and we're in continuous and constant discussions about how to create value with that portfolio. So there may be ways to reduce even more concentration with the triple-net, but I think the overriding message here is that we like the relationship.

Todd Stender - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Thanks Justin.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Jordan Sadler of KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead.

Jeff Gaston - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead

Good morning, everyone. This is Jeff Gaston here for Jordan. So a few questions for you. You mentioned earlier that the spin-off plan targets mid 6 times debt-to-EBITDA, is that day one after the spin-off?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

We've talked about 6.5 times at HCP Prime, the main company. And again what we have is a plan that with the spin proceeds coming back – the debt of the spin with the proceeds coming back to HCP with the RIDEA sale that we just talked about and identified asset sales in addition to that that we would get to that 6.5 times. So that is what we're definitely targeting as we move through the spin process and get that completed.

Jeff Gaston - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you. And then – so if you guys are going to be at 6.5 times, what's your strategy for growth going to be? How do you plan on financing it post-spin?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Our financing plans are 60/40 as we look at new investments. We're very committed to being at a lower leverage and we'll move to do that as soon as possible. But we think that we can be competitive at that level and be definitely a growth company in the marketplace.

Jeff Gaston - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead

Thank you. And then with the exit from the SNF portfolio, does that kind of – does that kill your 5x5 strategy? Are you moving to a 5x4? How are you thinking about that longer term?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Well, we haven't had a 5x5 strategy for a while, but what we're very focused on is our three asset classes that are 95% private pay, our Senior Housing, our Medical Office portfolio and our Life Science. We think these are high-quality portfolios that give us a lot of growth. We primarily focus on owning real estate in terms of structure. There is times when we do debt, but it's to get to the ownership of real estate. We think that's what REITs are supposed to do as an investment thesis. So our plan which we laid out, I think, pretty clearly both in the investor deck and hopefully in my comments it came through is that we're going to be in the premier part of the healthcare sector and we think that offers significant opportunities for growth and returns for our shareholders.

Jeff Gaston - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead

Okay. Thanks. And then with the SpinCo being at roughly five times leverage, I guess, could you speak to whether you think it will be a growth vehicle or is it going to be focused primarily on being a workout vehicle? Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: Well, I mentioned earlier, it's an interesting question, but I think the initial focus will be on the relationship with ManorCare and we'll be trying to move the assets – not move them, but work with ManorCare if possible to get to a good result. And in that sense, there is a workout focus to it, because the initial focus is the fact that we don't think, respectfully, the market is crediting as much value as is there. And we need to try and find a way to unlock that, to use the word we've used quite a bit today, and that will be the primary focus from the get-go. I think we also said earlier that it's a space that is very dynamic at this point. So there may be other options available to SpinCo, because it sits in a pretty interesting position within that space. But those are things that really Mark or Dan will be focused on. And I don't think he wants to enter this assignment with a pre-judgment about what is the optimal path forward.

Jeff Gaston - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead

Okay. Thanks. And then just to clarify, earlier I think Justin mentioned market level coverage was 1.3 times. Was that EBITDAR or EBITDARM?

J. Justin Hutchens - Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer

Management

That's EBITDAR.

Jeff Gaston - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you. And then final question. Are you guys able to share what the current leverage at ManorCare is on a net debt-to-EBITDA basis? Timothy M. Schoen - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Not on a net-debt-to-EBITDA basis. I mean, the only other debt they have is about a – the only other debt they have at the OpCo is about $380 million, $390 million of term debt. That capital structure has been in place for some time, Jeff.

Jeff Gaston - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital. Please go ahead

Right. Right. Okay. Thanks a lot, guys. That's all I have this morning. Timothy M. Schoen - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Thanks.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Michael Mueller of JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Michael W. Mueller - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead

Yeah. Hi. Just a couple of quick ones. First, is it correct that when the Form 10 comes out, if there is a rent reduction, that's not going to show up in there. That's going to be something we'll find out about down the road, is that correct?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

The Form 10 will outline the investment thesis and what investors should expect in SpinCo. So again, premature to talk about anything in terms of restructuring. Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: Right. I think your assumption is correct, the Form 10 won't really address that. Again, there'll be – Mark will be doing road shows and all of that as we get closer to execution. We're three months or four months out. And those are things that are best addressed when we're really on top of execution, because the market will tell us where we are.

Michael W. Mueller - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead

Okay. And then for the $2.75 billion of, I guess, capital being effectively raised, I mean, how should we think about the use – first of all, is all that – should we think of that being raised at the time of the spin-off, so all that capital be in, RIDEA II will be done, that debt will be placed, so you'll have that $2.75 billion? And then what's sort of the timeframe to deploy that? Because I know the deck talks about repaying maturities through 2018? Do you plan on accelerating prepayments or sitting on cash or how should we think about that?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Yeah. The plan is that we would accelerate prepayments. As I pointed out, that debt is a pretty high coupon, blended it's 6.4%. But we've got parts of it that are 6.7%, 6.8%, so it's a good optimum time to pay that off. And then beyond that, it would be determined on what we do in terms of growth going forward, et cetera. So the goal is to be at a 6.5 times leverage or less at the completion of the spin.

Michael W. Mueller - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead

Got it. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Rich Anderson of Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead.

Richard Charles Anderson - Mizuho Securities USA, Inc.

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead

Thanks and good morning. So, Mike, just kind of step back, kind of look at the big picture, investors – in HCP leverage goes up at least for now, G&A as a percentage of revenue goes up, you probably have a dividend cut to normalize the situation. And then on SpinCo, you could convert it into a non-REIT; that's not good for REIT investors. You could have and probably will have another rent cut. And then you have the DOJ overhang. So a lot of unknowns, right, that are still out there. While I appreciate you wanting to kind of get to this and resolve it and move forward in a decisive manner, did you give any thought to holding off and waiting till you had a little bit more information to share with investors, so that they can make a little bit more of an educated decision on what to do in the here and now? Just curious why did you decide to do this now when we don't have a whole lot of information? Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: Well, I think if you look at a number of spin transactions, what we're doing here in terms of timing of announcement is pretty standard. We've got a lot of work to do to execute. We wanted to get leadership in place. We wanted that known to the market. And if we felt that, as I said earlier, that within the next month or two or three that facts on the ground would change dramatically, we may have come with a different story today, but we don't see that happening. So we felt that it was the best course to announce a direction. We think we've got the right plan, the right people in place, that it opens up optionality and, more importantly, we think that it puts HCP on the right course to really be a very, very competitive force in this market. So we want to exploit some of those relationships that we built. Where we've had some handcuffs on us, we want to take the handcuffs off. So that's why we're announcing this. And even though it'll take a little time, what we're telling you a good bit about HCP, how you evaluate SpinCo will happen over the next couple of months and it'll be iterative. But we thought it was really the right course to go ahead and announce it.

Richard Charles Anderson - Mizuho Securities USA, Inc.

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead

I think just worried a little bit about a false positive reaction here, because we don't know. There's so much that people – investors are going to get this stub company and they don't really know what they're getting. And then, maybe I can try to help with a little bit of that. And if you back into a rent coverage, I think it was Justin or Tim that mentioned 1.3 times EBITDAR is the market and you start with a 0.85 times EBITDAR coverage that you reported today. That gets you from call it $460 million of annualized revenue to maybe something like $300 million in SpinCo. So then, you get to a 1.3 times $300 million and I'm trying to think is that about $1 billion worth of debt that we could see SpinCo execute on, is that a fair way? Is my path reasonable there?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Well, Rich, I think you're already building your model which I'm sure you're going to do, but again, going back to – we've positioned SpinCo to be successful with these assets, which I think is incredibly important, because today we can't do that within HCP. And we've also positioned HCP to be highly successful with the balance sheet that we're going to have. So, again...

Richard Charles Anderson - Mizuho Securities USA, Inc.

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead

I don't mean to interrupt, because I don't want to delay, but I know it's a long call, but – now I'm now looking at five times EBITDAR – or sorry five times revenue would be about $1.5 billion in debt. I'm just wondering if that remaining $2 billion of raise that you're thinking about at the HCP, is it fair about $1.5 billion-ish type number would come from SpinCo and the rest from asset sales.

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

I don't think you're out of the realm of possibility, so...

Richard Charles Anderson - Mizuho Securities USA, Inc.

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you. And then, if I could just ask maybe a question to Tim, and by the way, Tim, good luck to you. I hope (01:36:34) in the future. But there was a restructuring payment of $55 million from Brookdale. I think that that slows or starts to wane in the third quarter of this year. Is that correct? And if so, how do should that show up in the P&L? Timothy M. Schoen - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: It does start to wane this year, and as you said, it was in the next couple of years, but it will only affect FAD.

Richard Charles Anderson - Mizuho Securities USA, Inc.

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead

Okay. Timothy M. Schoen - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: And that's in our guidance, Rich, today, so...

Richard Charles Anderson - Mizuho Securities USA, Inc.

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead

Okay. And finally, maybe one more bigger picture question on the deal. What is the chance that something else can happen between now and spin-off? I mean, do the parties have – or do you, HCP, have the flexibility to continue to kind of seek out other options whether it's some type of sale of one or both of the entities or anything like that? To what degree can you still engage other parties to modify the deal as currently communicated? Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: I think that our intentions have been announced today. We're going to pursue this vigorously, but at the same time, we're not going to foreclose any discussions. We're not limited in that respect. So, if things on the ground change, we don't have signed agreements, we're not ready to execute. I don't want to put too much of a point on that, but I think just to be candid to your question, this is an intention, it's a strong intention. It's a direction that we're going to pursue and we'll see how the facts changes as the weeks go on.

Richard Charles Anderson - Mizuho Securities USA, Inc.

Analyst · Mizuho Securities. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: Yeah.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from John Kim of BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

John P. Kim - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Good morning. Thank you. You spoke about evaluating Ventas' spin-off last year. So in comparing your announcement with theirs, they had basic items like NOI, FFO and dividend announced at the presentation. It sounds like yours is reliant on SpinCo's board, which hasn't been formed yet. So can you just provide some idea of timing of when these basic parameters will be announced?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Yeah, the Form 10 will be coming in about a month's time and that will carry a lot more, if not, most of the details of your questions.

John P. Kim - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay. I thought you answered to previous question that the rent cut would not be discussed in the Form 10?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

The options that SpinCo takes, they have tools, but there was no indication that a rent cut or anything would be in the Form 10. Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: We haven't had any discussions about a rent cut at this point and we have no indication that a rent cut will be required prior to the formation of SpinCo or even thereafter. So I think those are facts on the ground that we don't have right now. I think when you start to compare to other spins, especially, if you take the Ventas spin, they own their assets, they operated their assets. There's a lot more you can plan and do when you have full information. We have certain information, but not quite as much maybe as they had and we're in a different situation here.

John P. Kim - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay. So SpinCo will come out as is and any changes going forward will be post spin? Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: Yes. Based on what we know today, that's correct.

John P. Kim - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay. Have you given an estimate as far as the merger-related costs that end up being quite high for Ventas? And do you have an estimate of that and who's going to be paying for it?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

We have not given that yet. I think you should expect that it will be by advisor fees and then we will have debt prepayment costs that will be also part of the transaction. And those will all come out as we have the Form 10.

John P. Kim - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

And who's going to be paying for it?

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

It'd be HCP.

John P. Kim - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay. Mark...

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

Others than the financing costs at SpinCo.

John P. Kim - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Mark Ordan employment contract, how long is that for? Michael Dale McKee - Chairman, HCP, Inc.; Chief Executive Officer, Bentall Kennedy U.S., L.P.: We have an agreement in principle, but that'll also be announced in the Form 10.

John P. Kim - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay. And then if I could just transition to the Brookdale joint venture sale. Can you just walk us through how you value the platform today versus your original costs? I know it came through multiple transactions. Timothy M. Schoen - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Yeah. Actually when Brookdale entered the joint venture with HCP it was about a 6.5 times cap. The performance has been choppy since then until recently because there was an integration and there was a distraction due to that. But we've enjoyed some improved performance, but when you look at the cap rate, it lines up pretty much exactly at about 6.5 times cap.

John P. Kim - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Got it. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes...

Lauralee E. Martin - President and Chief Executive Officer

Management

I've been – I was going to say I've been advised by the operator, we've cleared the questions. So let me just wrap and close the call. We position SpinCo as an investment vehicle to optimize the long-term solution for the ManorCare assets for the best of our shareholders. And we position HCP for growth and consistent returns from our high quality portfolio and investment grade balance sheet. And we look forward to your questions, which I'm sure there will be many and we will be available to you all day to answer those. Thank you very much for a lot of time this morning and we appreciate your support.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.