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Q2 2011 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 20, 2011

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Quest Diagnostics Second Quarter Conference Call. At the request of the company, this call is being recorded. The entire contents of the call, including the presentation and question-and-answer session that will follow, are the copyrighted property of Quest Diagnostics with all rights reserved. Any redistribution, retransmission or rebroadcast of this call in any form without the express written consent of Quest Diagnostics is strictly prohibited. Now I'd like to introduce Kathleen Valentine, Director of Investor Relations for Quest Diagnostics. Go ahead, please.

Kathleen Valentine

Management

Thank you, and good morning. I am here with Surya Mohapatra, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Bob Hagemann, our Chief Financial Officer. During this call, we may make forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those projected. Risks and uncertainties that may affect Quest Diagnostics' future results include, but are not limited to, those described in Quest Diagnostics' 2010 annual report on Form 10-K, quarterly reports on Form 10-Q and current reports on Form 8-K. A copy of our earnings press release is available, and a text of our prepared remarks will be available later today in the Investor Relations' Quarterly Updates section of our website at www.questdiagnostics.com. A PowerPoint presentation and spreadsheet with our results and supplemental analysis are also available on the website. Now, here is Surya Mohapatra.

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Thank you, Kathleen. We grew revenues and adjusted earnings per share in the second quarter despite ongoing market softness. During the quarter, revenues grew 1.5% to $1.9 billion. Adjusted earnings per share increased 5% to $1.12. While clinical testing volumes decreased 0.9%, revenue per acquisition increased 1.6% compared to the prior year, and we generated strong underlying cash flow. Our growth strategy is to be the leading innovator and provider in the fast-growing esoteric and gene-based testing areas for cancer, cardiovascular disease, infectious disease and neurological disorders. This complements our large routine level through testing services, enabling diagnostics and monitoring of a wide range of chronic diseases. We continue to focus on growing our genetic, esoteric and anatomic pathology revenues. Demand for our esoteric and gene-based testing continued to grow faster than routine testing, driven significantly by Vitamin D testing, which saw double-digit volume growth in the quarter. However, the rate of growth in Vitamin D testing is moderating. Additionally, ImmunoCAP allergy testing continued to grow. In Anatomic Pathology, we continue to see pressure on volumes from physician insourcing, particularly in dermatology and hematology oncology. However, we have seen some moderation of this practice in other areas such as GI and GU. In cancer testing, we continue to promote our colorectal cancer blood test and OVA1 ovarian cancer test and Leumeta blood cancer test. These tests are proprietary to Quest Diagnostics and all showed strong growth. The acquisitions of Athena and Celera, which closed in the second quarter, will further accelerate our growth in gene-based and esoteric testing. I am pleased these integrations are on track. We are also taking additional actions to grow our business. We have strengthened our women's health test offering. We introduced SureSwab for gynecological infections and are launching Spinal Muscular Atrophy or SMA testing from…

Robert Hagemann

Management

Thanks, Surya. Revenues for the quarter were $1.9 billion, 1.5% above the prior year and adjusted earnings per share was $1.12 compared to $1.07 in the prior year. Adjusted earnings per share for the 2011 second quarter exclude $0.10 per share associated with deal-related and integration costs in connection with the acquisitions of Athena and Celera, which are further detailed in Footnote 2 to the earnings release. The acquisitions of Athena and Celera contributed about 2.5% to revenue growth in the quarter, and we're essentially neutral to adjusted EPS. Our clinical testing revenues, which account for over 90% of our total revenues, were about 1% above the prior year and about 1.5% below the prior year before the contributions from Athena and Celera. Volume in the quarter was 1% below the prior year and compares to the improvement of 1.3% in underlying volumes that we saw in the first quarter. We saw a further market softening in terms of physician office visits in the second quarter, which contributed to the volume slowdown. Our volume for the month of May was particularly weak, while the months of April and June were modestly positive versus the prior year. Drugs of Abuse Testing volumes have continued to rebound and grew about 6% in the quarter, although at a slower rate than the first quarter. Revenue per acquisition was 1.6% above the prior year, with the improvement due to the increased esoteric mix contributed by Athena and Celera. While our increased esoteric mix is benefiting revenue per acquisition, it continues to be pressured by business and payer mix changes, the Medicare fee decrease which went into effect January 1 and pricing changes in connection with several large contract extensions executed in the first half of last year. The business and payer mix changes, which…

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Thanks, Bob. That concludes our prepared remarks. We are ready to take your questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question or comment comes from Tom Gallucci from Lazard Capital Markets.

Thomas Gallucci - Lazard Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · Lazard Capital Markets

I guess I was curious if you could maybe give us a little more color on margins and costs. Three buckets, I guess. One, Bob, it seems like the margin guidance for this year has sort of trailed down a bit from around 18% to 17.5% to 18% to 17.5%. So what are sort of some of the pressures this year to the extent if maybe some of these investment sales and things? Can you size any of that so we can get an idea of sort of what goes away or how much better it gets as you get through that? And then you outlined I guess from a high-level some of your initiatives on the $500 million of savings. Is there any way to at least from a very high-level breakdown some of the buckets of expectations in terms of the areas that you're focused on?

Robert Hagemann

Management

Okay, Tom. There's a lot of questions there. Let me...

Thomas Gallucci - Lazard Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · Lazard Capital Markets

Yes, sorry. I'll do them again if you need to. But it's also the margin and cost-related sort of short term and long term.

Robert Hagemann

Management

It's all connected. And what I'll try and do is bridge you back on operating income at least, the initial guidance that we put out for the year, which was approximately 18%. As we got through the first quarter, we adjusted that to 17.5% to 18%, essentially tightened that range a little bit, but still pretty close to where we had anticipated in the first part of the year. And at that point, we're still holding the revenue growth. What we saw in the second quarter, particularly in May, at least in our results, was a further softening in the marketplace. And as a result, we've adjusted our top line guidance now, essentially on the volume side. And as you know, with a business that's principally fixed-cost base, you've got to take a lot of cost out just to preserve margins if you're adjusting your top line. That's what we're doing. You've seen us announce now a charge in Q1. We've got another charge coming in Q3 in connection with the actions we've just taken. And then actually, we're looking longer term at what we can do with costs, and I'll come back to that in a minute. So at this point, we've adjusted operating income percentage down to 17.5%, essentially moved it to the lower end of the range that we had, reflecting the change in volume expectations. And some dilution, some minor dilution from Celera. As I told you, when we announced the Celera transaction, we expected it to be dilutive by an immaterial amount this year, and that's some of what you see in the operating income percentage there. With that said, as we look at where we're at versus the beginning of the year, despite the fact that we brought the top line guidance down, we…

Thomas Gallucci - Lazard Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · Lazard Capital Markets

Just one thing. On the SG&A, though, you've been investing, you're talking about in sales and service. Is there any way to sort of give an idea of either how much those investments have been or how much you sort of think they sort of come down over time as you're sort of expecting those better margins later?

Robert Hagemann

Management

Well, Tom, one thing I'll tell you is they are investments, so we're not expecting them to come down. We expect the impact that they're having on margins, though, to dissipate as they start to deliver top line growth for us, which we believe they will. But one way to think about it without completely sizing it for you is the increase that we're seeing in SG&A this quarter versus the prior year on an adjusted basis is principally due to the additions of Celera. As you know, Celera was basically operating at a loss before we acquired them. We're thinking about it as a turnaround. There's a lot of SG&A costs there which still needs to come out. We've got quite a bit of it in the first quarter of ownership, but there's more to go. But that's really the driver of the increase in SG&A versus the prior year at this point. We've seen improvements in Baghdad, which is helping that. And then the investments that we've made in sales and service are really offsetting those bad debt improvements.

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Tom, I just want to add one more thing that -- we have done this, and we are good at doing these things. And we will use Six Sigma and Lean Six Sigma principles, but we'll not sacrifice patient care or medical quality while we do cost reductions. As Bob said, we're going to look at SG&A, and we'll look at the way we organize and go after this.

Operator

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from Adam Feinstein from Barclays Capital.

Bryan Sekino - Barclays Capital

Analyst · Barclays Capital

This is Bryan Sekino on behalf of Adam Feinstein here. Just a quick question on the top line growth of 1.5%. I guess the previous revenue guidance of 2% didn't include Celera. And I guess as now you're including it, is there some, I guess, further deterioration, I guess, in the macroeconomic environment that you're expecting to get to the 1.5% now?

Robert Hagemann

Management

Yes, that's exactly the case, Bryan. We had not included Celera in our previous guidance. That contributes about 1% to the total revenue growth. And what that means is our expectations for the base business now are down about 1.5% from where they were. That's principally all volume-related, and that's really as a result of what we've seen in the second quarter in terms of the further softening in physician office visits.

Bryan Sekino - Barclays Capital

Analyst · Barclays Capital

Okay. And as I think about the 20% margin goal, the 3 years, does that assume some kind of improvement in the volume environment? And I guess, is it a margin that you can reach through additional cost cutting if volumes don't improve?

Robert Hagemann

Management

Yes, you've heard us say this before. We need to have some top line growth in order to continue expanding margins. Certainly, this cost reduction program is going to be an important contributor to that, but we would expect to see some top line growth. And certainly, over the period we're talking about, we expect that to be the case. Our long-term outlook for the market is that it's going to continue to grow. Demographics, the pace with which new tests are introduced, the increased focus on early detection and prevention are all things that we believe bode well for this market over the long term. And we think we're very well positioned now with some of the acquisitions that we've done to take advantage of that future market growth, although we are seeing a temporary slowdown at the moment.

Operator

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from Ricky Goldwasser from Morgan Stanley.

Ricky Goldwasser - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

A few questions here. First on the top line. I know, Bob, in the past, you mentioned 2% top line growth that kind of threshold for operating margin expansion. Does this figure still hold or is the bar is higher now?

Robert Hagemann

Management

I wouldn't say the bar is any higher, Ricky. I think we do need a couple of points revenue growth to have sustained margin improvement. And as you've seen, we have not had that sort of revenue growth and that's one of the reasons that we're initiating the cost actions that we are.

Ricky Goldwasser - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Okay. And then on the pricing side, obviously you've reported an improved metric. What would pricing have been if you exclude the Athena and Celera acquisitions on same-store basis?

Robert Hagemann

Management

Yes, we're not disclosing that, Ricky, because we really don't want to put people in a position to back in to pricing of Celera and Athena because we think that, that is competitively sensitive information. But with that said, the underlying revenue per acquisition has been pretty stable and in line with our expectations. And as we told you, the year-over-year comparisons there start to improve as the year progresses, as we start to anniversary some of the things that occurred last year and the year before.

Ricky Goldwasser - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Okay. And then lastly on volume. I mean, obviously, your outlook for volume growth has come down. But in your prepared remarks you did mention that you saw weakness in May, where April and June were pretty positive. So what is it that you're seeing out there that makes you more cautious on the second half? Is it the macro environment? Are you seeing any increase in the competitive environment? Or are you just trying to be more conservative, given that visibility hasn't been that great over the last year or so?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Ricky, first of all, May was not a good month, and we did confirm our guidance in May. But having 2 months of data, we realized that this temporary slowdown is probably going to continue for the rest of the year. So here is what we see. 85% of our business comes from patients visiting the doctor's office. In April to May quarterly data, we have 6% decrease in physician office visits, so that affects us a little bit. Regarding insourcing of Anatomic Pathology, that's 16% of our business. Obviously, that's affecting us a little bit. But then we have some of our health plans. They are changing their membership, and that's also affecting us. So when we look at all those things, just temporary things and we know that we are going to go through these things. But when I look at the long term and the medium term, I feel that we have all the efforts, and we are focused on our strategy of differentiation of making the company more esoteric and gene-based. So we reduced our guidance, the top line guidance, based on the office visits and what is going on in insourcing. And but on the other hand, the acquisitions like Celera and Athena is helping us to increase our presence in esoteric and gene-based testing, which is going faster than the routine testing.

Operator

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from Dane Leone from Macquarie Capital.

Dane Leone - Macquarie Research

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

Actually, this kind of builds on a previous question, but I'm just curious. When we're thinking about this longer-term cost restructuring that I guess would be targeted around early 2014, you mentioned in the press release that it could kind of get you to that 20% operating margin goal. What type of fundamental revenue growth rate would we really have to see to get to that 20% operating margin goal?

Robert Hagemann

Management

We just addressed that a little bit with Ricky. Certainly, the cost reduction program is an important contributor to that -- achieving that goal, but we do need some top line growth. Yes, we need generally in the range of a couple of percent top line growth to have sustained margin expansion. And we haven't seen that and again that's why we're initiating this program.

Dane Leone - Macquarie Research

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

And then just one on the sales force reorganization. Can you just remind us when -- from this reorganization when we should really see productivity ramp?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Well, as I told you that our sales force expansion is completed, and we are organized with the customer phasing organization so that we can be closer to our customers, whether they are hospital, physicians or oncologists. In some areas, I'm pleased how these sales people have come up. In some other areas, we have much work to do. But I want to also make a comment on our operating income. We had a long-term goal of reaching 20% operating income, and we know that we're going through a temporary slowdown. However, as Bob said, the medium-term expectation of this industry is really great. It has tremendous potential for growth, and we are launching this multiyear initiative for cost reductions. So I am much more encouraged with some top line growth and some reduction in the expenses to reach operating income of 20%.

Dane Leone - Macquarie Research

Analyst · Macquarie Capital

Great. I guess the underlying question really comes around to looking over the past couple of years where volume growth has been, I guess, somewhat lackluster. I'm trying to figure out what can kind of fundamentally turn that around going forward and I guess that from what...

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Let comment on that. Over the last 2 or 3 years, what we have been doing methodically is moving our business to more gene-based esoteric and anatomic pathology and getting focused on the diseases, which are very important, like cancer, infectious disease, cardiovascular disease and neuromuscular disorders. Those are the areas which are growing. Now because of recession and because of Health Care Reform for the time being, we have a lot of personal routine testing and some insourcing going on in anatomic pathology. But we are uniquely positioned to take advantage of the fast-growing markets in esoteric and gene-based, and nobody else has the products of the test and the network as we have. So I'm very excited that although the last 2 or 3 years have been lackluster -- but going forward, we are going to gain market share in the areas which are faster moving market.

Operator

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from Ralph Giacobbe from Crédit Suisse. Ralph Giacobbe - Crédit Suisse AG: Just going back to the cost savings number. I guess, first, is that a gross number or a net number?

Robert Hagemann

Management

Help me understand how you think about gross and net, Ralph. Ralph Giacobbe - Crédit Suisse AG: Sure. Fair enough. Like if I were to just assume that you're able to hold your EBITDA flat for the next 3 years, can I just then add $500 million to that number?

Robert Hagemann

Management

No, that's not the way I would necessarily think about it. Yes we, like every business, have cost increases that we expect to see in salaries, wages and benefits. And this $500 million is a reduction in cost that we'd otherwise have, had we done nothing, essentially. So we'll still see some inflationary increases as we look ahead. But this is going to mitigate that and also provide us additional funds to invest in science and innovation and contribute to margin expansion. Ralph Giacobbe - Crédit Suisse AG: Any sense -- so what's the timing around that? I mean, I know it's a 3-year plan. Is it starting today? Did it start this quarter? Is it starting next year? And is it front-end loaded, back-end loaded? Any guidance there?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Let me just make a comment, Ralph. First of all, as you heard, we are adjusting our cost based on the lower volume. So we have taken some costs out, and we will take charge in the third quarter. And as Bob said, despite the lower volume, we are still meeting our full-year guidance. So that's short-term cost reduction we do as a part of the business. As far as the long-term cost reduction, we just started the program. And like the last time, we will give you the information as we go on. But like any other cost reduction and efficiency improvement program, some cost savings are going to go towards investment, and some cost savings are going to go towards the bottom line. But again, we have done this before. We can do it, and we will do it without sacrificing medical quality and patient care. Ralph Giacobbe - Crédit Suisse AG: Okay. But just in terms of the timing and stuff, are numbers baked in? Like for the guidance, I'm assuming there's some of that already playing in. Is that fair?

Robert Hagemann

Management

You should assume that what's baked into the current year guidance is you're impacted by the short-term actions that we've taken. Ralph Giacobbe - Crédit Suisse AG: And then maybe just remind us on the timing of when you comp those pricing pressures from a year ago. Did that play a role at all starting this quarter? Or should we look for the benefits of that starting in the second half or 3Q?

Robert Hagemann

Management

We started to see some benefits of that this quarter, Ralph. But remember, it's not just changes in contract pricing that drove this. A lot of it was mix and that mix shift continues, as we see continued growth in the Drugs of Abuse Testing business and as we see a continuation of the softness on the AP side. Those 2 factors are also contributing to the change in revenue direct year-over-year. But again, we've seen it stabilize, and we feel good about the underlying revenue direct at this point for the remainder of the year. Ralph Giacobbe - Crédit Suisse AG: Okay. And then just my last one. I just want to put in the context of sort of your -- you talked about your quarterly progression on the volume side with May being sort of worse, and then I believe you said positive for the last 2 months. Is that right?

Robert Hagemann

Management

We saw positive year-over-year growth in the months of April and June. Ralph Giacobbe - Crédit Suisse AG: Okay. And I just -- the context, we just got the physician office visit data this morning and in the context of -- the numbers seem pretty weak for June, down over 13%, probably one of the worst months we've seen. So I guess I'm just trying to understand sort of the context of seeing improvement versus those physician office visit numbers...

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Ralph, which data are you looking at today? Is it IMS data or JPMorgan? Ralph Giacobbe - Crédit Suisse AG: The IMS data. IMS.

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

IMS. Well, you heard from Bob...

Robert Hagemann

Management

Ralph, as you heard from Surya, 85% of our business comes from physician offices. As you start to look at the data, I think it's important to understand what's happening with primary care versus specialist and the like. I have not had a chance to analyze the June data at this point. And while there's a strong correlation overall with physician office visits, month-to-month is not necessarily the best way to look at it. And frankly, we even need to be careful as we look at volume trends within the quarter as well. There's certainly correlation.

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

There's certainly correlation, but it's not one to one because obviously if they are down by 4% or 6%, we are not down by that much. And that also shows at least to me that some of the investment we have made in sales and sales force, we are staying close to our customers.

Operator

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from Bill Bonello from RBC.

Bill Bonello - RBC Capital Markets, LLC

Analyst · RBC

So I guess I just wanted to go back to this cost savings a little bit more and maybe from a slightly different angle. I mean, going back to the concept that for the last 2.5 years, you've had positive volume growth in one quarter. It seems to me like the critical thing here is to jumpstart volume growth. And I guess, how do we get comfortable that you can take out $500 million of cost and sort of not just create an ongoing problem of weak volume?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Well, let me answer that a little bit. First of all, $500 million sounds obviously large, but it is less than 10% over the next 3 years. You are absolutely right. The number one item for me is how to increase the volume, and that is one of the reasons why over the last 18 months, we have done a lot of work. For example, the organizer needs organized to be customer phasing because we know that we are going through some personal routine testing, but we also know that gene-based and esoteric testing are growing faster than the routine testing. So we are very pleased actually how we are growing in hospital services and how we are growing in esoteric and gene-based testing. But we also have to grow in the routine testing, and these costs take -- we're going to take out -- we're going to use this Six Sigma, Lean Six Sigma principle. And as Bob said, one of the major target that we see and I have is DNA. So we're not really going to take costs out from customer phasing or patient-phasing activities. And I think this is the appropriate target for us, and we will do it in a deliberate speed with growth as the number one goal. And that's why we are saying that a part of this cost savings would be invested in growth. And we are focused on actually growing the top line. If we cannot grow the top line, no cost reduction is going to help us.

Robert Hagemann

Management

Bill, I would also add, too, that it's important for us to make sure that we understand what's important to our customers, and that those aspects of the business are not impacted by what we do here. Certainly, the accuracy and reliability of our testing is paramount there and we expect to continue to be able to differentiate ourselves in that regard. Yes, having a broad testing menu is also very important, and you've seen that we continue to invest in that regard. And as Surya said, SG&A is an area that we're going to spend a lot of time looking at. And for the most part, that doesn't touch the customer.

Bill Bonello - RBC Capital Markets, LLC

Analyst · RBC

Okay. And just one, not follow-up, but one second question and I'll hang up. And I apologize if somebody asked this and I missed it. But Surya, did you -- have you renewed your contract yet? And can you give us any update on that front?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

I must tell you, the contract is fine and the way they work in contract, and neither party has given any notice of nonrenewal. The board and I are fully aligned, and I'm focused on growing the top line and the bottom line.

Operator

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from Kevin Ellich from Piper Jaffray.

Kevin Ellich

Analyst · Piper Jaffray

I'm just wondering if we could go back to the volume issues. You gave some good detail on the monthly trends and also, you continue to see some pressure on the AP insourcing. Is it all just insourcing to physician offices or are you seeing greater competition from other labs that are really focused on like the Dermpath business?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Well, Anatomic Pathology is major activities going on in insourcing because this is the way for the practitioners to get revenues. We are working with our trade association to see if we can reduce some of the tests. We are working with some health plans who have not changed reimbursement. But most of the Anatomic Pathology reimbursement, especially now, what we see in derm is going towards dermatologists.

Kevin Ellich

Analyst · Piper Jaffray

Got it. And then on the managed care side, have you seen any greater attrition out of some of the regional plans like Empire Blue Cross that opened up last August?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Not really. We work with them and working very closely. As we said, there are no major managed care contracts for renewal. Our relations with managed care organizations are very good. We are working with them with the employers to change the benefit plan to have test coming from higher cost provider to us. We're also working with many managed care organizations on the disease program, and we're using our analytics and informatics skills to help them getting prepared for the future, which may be around [ph] care organizations.

Kevin Ellich

Analyst · Piper Jaffray

Okay. And then just thinking about your comments about utilization trends and volumes. Yesterday, United made some comments saying they expect an increase in utilization, specifically physician office visits during the back half of the year. That's kind of goes contrary to what you guys are seeing. So just wondering if you could help connect the 2 data points?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

You're getting the same data, many more data than we are getting. We represent 15% of the market, so I consider our numbers are representing what is happening in the market. We really don't know actually, unless -- well, first of all, I cannot comment actually what they see, maybe different kind of membership. But we are assuming that at least to this year, the rest of the second half, we are going to see lower utilization. But if it goes up, everybody is happy.

Kevin Ellich

Analyst · Piper Jaffray

Sure. It makes sense. And then just maybe switching over to the regulatory legislative environment. Obviously, there's a lot of discussion on potential Medicare lab co-pays, and then the Institute of Medicine came out with your recommendations for preventative screening, I think, yesterday. Just wondering if you had any -- have a chance to look at that, and it looks like it would be an incremental positive for you guys. Any comments?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Well, at first, Institute of Medicine, I must be honest, I haven't looked at it. But we have looked at all the reports. As Bob mentioned, diagnostics is a very good area and has a tremendous potential for growth not only because of demographics, but also very different tests with a higher specificity and sensitivity. But also we will have 29 million people who will be in this plan. So in the long term and the medium term, diagnostics is the right area to be. And I think the short term, the temporary stuff which is going on is not going to last for long. So I'm very pleased. And Kathleen, do you want to make some comments about the FDA?

Kathleen Valentine

Management

On the Medicare co-pay. We're working with the trade association, educating the administration officials and members of congress on the negative impact, the Medicare co-pay and the considered forms would have on the seniors, as well as the lab industry. And we're looking importantly to remind the folks in Washington that diagnostic testing, laboratory represents a very small portion of total healthcare spending in the U.S., less than 3%. And we've already given up a lot. We're absorbing 1.75% reduction for 5 years. We've got a productivity adjustment that we've agreed to with the healthcare reform legislation over the past last year. So we feel like we've contributed significantly already. We're a small portion of the healthcare spend, and we want to make sure that that's appropriately and fairly considered in wherever they go with the co-pay idea.

Kevin Ellich

Analyst · Piper Jaffray

Okay. And then 2 quick ones for Bob. Bad debt saw nice improvement of 3.6%. How much lower can that go? And then also, can you remind us if the guidance includes the $0.07 impact from weather in Q1?

Robert Hagemann

Management

Well, with respect to bad debt, I'd certainly love to see it go lower, although we're not prepared to put guidance out there. But if you think about one of the positive impacts of healthcare reform in addition to further volume, it should be to help reduce the bad debt over time because a significant portion of that has to do with uninsured patients. So I would be hopeful that over time, we could see that continue to come down as we see more and more insured patients. With the other part of your question, Kevin?

Kevin Ellich

Analyst · Piper Jaffray

Oh, the EPS guidance, that includes the $0.07 impact from weather in Q1?

Robert Hagemann

Management

It's adjusted out. So if you look at the Footnotes in the earnings release, you'll see all the things that are adjusted out to arrive at the adjusted guidance.

Operator

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from Robert Willoughby from Bank of America.

Robert Willoughby

Analyst · Bank of America

Bob or Surya, I guess if I were a critic, I'd look at another $500 million in cost cutting on the heels of some of the initiatives that you've completed to date. It kind of calls to like some tardiness maybe in getting at some of these inefficiencies. I guess I'm not clear what new opportunities are your really addressing, cutting SG&As. I mean, you just sound like that you should have maybe gotten your arms around years ago.

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Robert, this is Surya. First of all, you are right that some of the costs we could have taken out as we bought some other companies and integrated. But one of the things that we have been doing is actually going towards more esoteric and gene-based, and we have been investing some of these things. Now we have 4 or 5 esoteric laboratories. We also are looking at what is happening to the routine testing. And over the last 4 or 5 years, we have now learned more about how to run the laboratory more efficiently and more on the lower cost. We have used some automation as we have reduced to the cost before. So when we look at it again, this $500 million sounds really big. But to be perfectly honest, it's less than 10% over next 3 years. So we do cost reductions all the time, but again, we are going through another concerted effort to look at what is happening with the routine testing business. As Bob said, how much money we spend in logistics, how much money we spend in DSC and phlebotomy stand. We feel that $500 million is a good target for us, and this will give us some money for investment and will give us some money to meet our operating income goal. Bob?

Robert Hagemann

Management

Bob, as Surya indicated, look, we get smarter each year about our business and what we can and can't do. And certainly, I think that the customer constraints that we have in terms of what we can do with our cost structure we've learned more about over the last several years as we've taken costs out. And I think I have a better view as to some areas that we can go after now, which we previously thought may have been off limits.

Robert Willoughby

Analyst · Bank of America

Will there be any change in your international expansion strategy or current international focus?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

We will maintain our current international focus, and mainly it is actually in India because that's where we're investing. We have some business in Mexico and some business in -- a small business in U.K., and we're looking at that. But mainly it's the investment in India, which remains the same. And you say it's a medium-term investment, and it's moving. But it is a very slow progress. But that's all.

Robert Hagemann

Management

It's also still a pretty modest investment.

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Yes.

Robert Willoughby

Analyst · Bank of America

And just lastly, your dividend payouts are down year-over-year actually with some of the share buybacks. You anticipate moving that higher here to enhance the appeal?

Robert Hagemann

Management

Bob, that's something we look at periodically with our board. Over time, we would expect that the dividend payout would grow commensurate with earnings and cash flows. But it's something that we look at over a longer period. And again, we evaluate it with our board on a periodic basis.

Operator

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from Gary Lieberman from Wells Fargo.

Gary Lieberman - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo

You said there will be a $20 million charge in the third quarter. Is that a severance charge or is that something separate?

Robert Hagemann

Management

That's principally associated with severance, Gary.

Gary Lieberman - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Okay. And then just to stay on the cost cutting, is there any way you could sort of compare and contrast maybe the new initiative to the previous $500 million initiative? Is it more focused on one area than another?

Robert Hagemann

Management

Yes. As I mentioned earlier, I think we're probably going to have more focus on SG&A this time around. Not that we didn't address SG&A as part of the last program, but I think we want to take a harder look at that. And additionally, as I said, I think we understand our customer constraints better, and that's going to free us up to do some other things.

Gary Lieberman - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Okay. Is there going to be a bigger IT component of the focus on the cost cutting or streamlining this time around?

Robert Hagemann

Management

IT certainly an element of it.

Gary Lieberman - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Okay. Will it be a greater element than previously or is just sort of in there with everything else?

Robert Hagemann

Management

I wouldn't say it's greater or less. It's an important piece of our spending. It's also important in terms of the way we deliver our service to our customers, and we want to make sure that it continues to be something that we do very effectively. But we do think that there's opportunities to further reduce cost there as well.

Gary Lieberman - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Okay. And then I think you've talked about it, but just to clarify on the revenue per requisition, the weakness. It sounds like it's primarily a mix issue. And is there anything like we saw last year in terms of pressure on the commercial pricing or extension in contract changes that's incremental this quarter or that you foresee throughout the rest of the year?

Robert Hagemann

Management

And just to clarify a little bit, Gary, as we think about mix broadly, it's the esoteric mix contributed by Athena and Celera that drove the improvement in revenue per rec this year. And the base business is where we've seen sort of the negative mix as we've got growth in the lower-priced Drugs of Abuse Testing business and the continued challenges on the AP side of the business, which is higher priced. With that said, the base business, the underlying revenue per rec continued to be pretty stable, and we don't foresee anything that would cause that to change dramatically this year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from Darren Lehrich from Deutsche Bank.

Darren Lehrich - Deutsche Bank AG

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

I just want to go back to the volume guidance. It's actually worse than the back half of the year versus what we've obviously seen the last couple of quarters, and this is coming at a time when I guess, theoretically, sales productivity should be ramping up from some of the initiatives you made in sales force. So I guess I just want to go back to your comments to just understand what's really changed in your mindset. You've said that there's some Managed Care membership churn. You cited the AP weakness and the continued trends in the physician visit, and I guess the new comment will just be around the health plan membership churning because the other 2 issues have been with us. So what's really changed, I guess? Is there something very different that you're seeing in the utilization environment? Can you just help us think about that in the context of your sales force that should be ramping and more productive in the second half of the year?

Robert Hagemann

Management

Darren, this is Bob. Let me answer part of it, and I know Surya is going to want to comment on the sales force aspect of it. With respect to the change in guidance, while we don't provide guidance for revenue per rec and volume, I would tell you that our expectations for full-year volume have been reduced principally as a result of what we've seen. That doesn't necessarily mean that the volume that we expect in the second half we expect to be worse than the volume that we've experienced in the first half. The point was our expectations for the full year have changed principally because the market is softer than we expected when we first put volume guidance out there.

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

And as regards to the sales, as I mentioned, that in some areas, we added 100 people in different areas: cancer, diagnostics, hospital sales and physician sales. In some areas, I'm pleased that they have come up to speed. In some areas, we still have much more work to do. But as Bob said, that is basically the change in outlook in the beginning of the year, what's going to the office visits versus now.

Darren Lehrich - Deutsche Bank AG

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

And just as it relates to AP, I mean, is there any updated comment you could provide around trends? I think there was a period beginning mid last year where the message was that you saw a little bit of a moderation in the insourcing trend. Is that still the case? Or I see what you said in your prepared remarks, but has there been a negative shift there?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Well, first of all, I think Anatomic Pathology is a very important aspect of cancer diagnostics, and that's not -- the demand for Anatomic Pathology is not going to go away. What is changing now that we saw in the beginning, as I mentioned, that there is more insourcing with GI and GU and that is moderated. And now it's going through a little bit of dermatologist and hemato-oncologists. I think all I can tell you is that the rate of internalization may have decreased a little bit, but we're still expecting this year we're going to be challenged. But again, this is a temporary challenge when you consider cancer is an unfortunate disease which is growing, and there's a lot more diagnostics required with the therapy. So we feel that we are positioned appropriately, and this is going to flatten out. But we are expecting the rest of the year that we will still be challenged in AP as far as the insourcing. It may not be as bad as last year, but still it is challenged.

Darren Lehrich - Deutsche Bank AG

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

So Bob, it was down 10% last year roughly. Is it tracking kind of in the upper single digits decline? Is that the way to think about it?

Robert Hagemann

Management

Darren, we haven't disclosed that, and we try not to provide too much guidance on the components of the business, again, obviously for competitive reasons. But we have been making it pretty clear that, that business continues to be soft.

Darren Lehrich - Deutsche Bank AG

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Okay. And then my last question here is just back to the $500 million initiative. I'm curious just to know how involved the board was in developing that, and what the range of options were that you had on the table in the board discussion around a cost initiative. Maybe just enlighten us a little bit about how that process developed, if you could.

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Well, first of all, this is a very interesting question because I don't comment on the board discussion. But obviously, if the board and the management are aligned, all of us will now be doing these things. The ultimate goal and the one which I am focused on and also Bob and my management team is to grow the top line and the bottom line and we have to do what we have to do to run the business.

Operator

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from Amanda Murphy from William Blair. Amanda Murphy - William Blair & Company L.L.C.: Just to follow up on Darren's outsourcing question. Can you talk about dermatology, rather? Is there another or other areas going forward that you could see outsourcing take off? And we've heard some noise about it in [indiscernible] commentary for example, that could maybe drive the next wave. Or is it pretty much the last feasible area? And then I guess another question there is on the regulatory side, any updates on just the model in and of itself and the sustainability?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

As regards to the flow, any molecular diagnostics and any flows under there are very complicated tests, and I think that will be less insourced than just the histology. That's what we see. And the advantage for a company like us is to combine clinical pathology, anatomic pathology and molecular diagnostics and that's how we still do the business with us. So I think the main insourcing is going on with the specialties for histology rather than molecular diagnostics, because it's a pretty complex thing to run and maintain.

Kathleen Valentine

Management

And the effort legislatively, Amanda, we continue to work hard to educate the folks in Washington on the issue. It's active, it's very active, but it continues. There's nothing of significant note yet, but we continue to work very hard with our trade association. Amanda Murphy - William Blair & Company L.L.C.: Okay. And then in terms of Celera and Athena, it seems like those 2 transactions or deals sort of are in line with your expectations in terms of the revenue that was added. I'm curious and it may be too early at this point, but now that they're kind of internalized, do you have any updated perspective on the opportunities for top line synergies? And then how much of that piece is contemplated in your guidance?

Robert Hagemann

Management

Well, certainly, as we told you when we acquired each of those businesses, we think that there's significant opportunity to accelerate their growth as part of being Quest Diagnostics, in terms of making our infrastructure and network available to them or connectivity or patient service centers or sales force, just access to the physician and hospital customers that we serve. And we feel very good about that opportunity, and we're executing against that now. Surya mentioned SMA, we're feeling very good about how that's progressing at this point, and our excitement about both of those deals continues to be very high.

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

It's going to give us a pipeline of products. We didn't have SMA and with Athena, it's going to grow across the network. And same thing will happen with Celera and BHL, we'll provide our physicians some of the unit product BHL provides and some of the IVD products Celera provides. So we are pretty excited about our recent acquisitions. Amanda Murphy - William Blair & Company L.L.C.: Okay. I guess just last one, and I think people have asked this different ways. But just some of your comments on the sales force side, you mentioned that it's going through well, but there's work to do. Could you speak to some -- is that specific area where there is work or that's just a commentary on the macro environment?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Well, first of all, when you are bringing in some new people that you are adding to the industry, people are different. It takes time for them to learn the business, learn the industry and at the same time we have some macro environment. So that's one thing. The second thing is we -- in some areas, people have come up to speed, and they are really meeting their quota. In some areas, we have to fully train them all, and we have to refine. But this is a process in which the sales force have pretty much improved. However, having said that, I'm glad that we have done these things because we are getting prepared for whenever there's an opportunity, we will be there before anybody else. Amanda Murphy - William Blair & Company L.L.C.: So you're not seeing, other than outsourcing, a change in the competitive environment in one particular area?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

No. Well, first of all, this is still a very competitive marketplace. Many of our customers and even our competitors, whether they're hospitals or whether they're commercial labs and other stuff, we win in some areas and we have lost in some areas. As I mentioned, that we introduced SureSwab. Women's health is a large business for us, and we had weakness in that product offering. And now we plug that weakness by introducing SureSwab and SMA. So we take competition seriously. And in some areas, we have lost some accounts to competition, and we are going after those accounts.

Operator

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from Steve Valiquette from UBS.

Steven Valiquette - UBS Investment Bank

Analyst · UBS

I'm just trying to piece everything together on the volumes, a lot of commentary, obviously. Can you just comment on how you see your overall organic volume trends in 2011 year-to-date versus the overall independent lab market volume trends?

Robert Hagemann

Management

Yes, as we look at our organic volume growth year-to-date, it's relatively flat. Again, we can point to physician office visits as an indication. The other thing I would point to is as we look at the volumes that come in to our esoteric testing facilities from reference labs, i.e., they're customers but they're also competitors, we see those down as well. I think that there's clearly a softening in the market, which is impacting volumes. And that, we believe, is the principal contributor to what we've seen in terms of the softness here.

Steven Valiquette - UBS Investment Bank

Analyst · UBS

Right. When you say flat, you mean flat with the market. So you think your volume trend is in line with the overall independent lab markets. Is that what you're trying to say?

Robert Hagemann

Management

Again, it's hard to say. There's not good data available on the market. We look at the data points that I just referenced here. And relative to those, our volumes seem like they're performing as you would expect overall. Well, we still think that we have opportunity to improve our performance. It seems as though it's relatively consistent with some of the broader market indicators that we see out there.

Operator

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from Anthony Vendetti from Maxim Group.

Anthony Vendetti - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst · Maxim Group

There was a comment in your prepared remarks about gene test growth moderating. Can you talk about it?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Yes. I think that's actually -- I made a comment about Vitamin D, although it grew double-digit, but the rate of growth is moderating. So Vitamin D testing.

Anthony Vendetti - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst · Maxim Group

Can you give us a percentage overall either on Vitamin D or just overall genomic and esoteric testing, what the growth was this quarter year-over-year? And what your -- if the moderating of any of that growth is a longer-term trend, does that push off your goal of getting up to a certain percentage of your overall clinical testing as a percentage?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Well, first of all, we really don't give any particular test or a particular component. And the reason why I made that comment is because obviously everybody knows that Vitamin D has tremendous growth over the last 2 or 3 years, and it is appropriate for us to really tell you that although it is growing, it is not growing at the same rate as before. As far as our goal of being the leader and provider in gene-based and esoteric testing, that does not change because one goes down, one may come up. And as I mentioned that we introduced a number of other tests which are going from a small base whether it is colorectal, whether it's OVA1, whether it is SMA. So the pipeline is good. We have a good number of tests in gene-based and esoteric testing, and I feel pretty encouraged that, that market is growing faster than the routine. And we have been investing, and we'll continue investing that area to take advantage of the fast-growing market there.

Anthony Vendetti - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst · Maxim Group

So do you expect that to be about 40% of overall testing at a certain point?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

At the moment, it's 36%. And again, we have not given any set goal. And as you know that what is esoteric today, may be routine in 3 or 4 years.

Anthony Vendetti - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst · Maxim Group

Right, right. Lastly, are there any big Managed Care contracts that are coming up for renewal either in 2011 or beginning of 2012 that we should be aware of?

Robert Hagemann

Management

Anthony, some of our largest, many of our largest contracts go past 2013. There's always contracts coming up every year, but some of our largest ones are now locked in for long periods of time.

Anthony Vendetti - Maxim Group LLC

Analyst · Maxim Group

Okay. So anything that's over like 5% of sales is not until 2013?

Robert Hagemann

Management

As I said, some of our biggest contracts are locked in. I don't want to get into specifics.

Operator

Operator

Our next question or comment comes from Kemp Dolliver from Avondale Partners.

B. Kemp Dolliver - Avondale Partners, LLC

Analyst · Avondale Partners

Great. Just a follow-up on the Vitamin D commentary. Do you think that the slowdown in Vitamin D testing is a function of some of the recommendations or at least media attention in the last few months, noting that there's probably not the need to test as many patients or to test them as frequently?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Well, I think -- well, first of all, the rate of growth in Vitamin D has been tremendous. So you cannot really continue with that rate of growth. So that's number one. Number two, I think there will be continued positive and negative, but I think what you are seeing is actually just the rate of growth. And the early adopters are slowing down.

B. Kemp Dolliver - Avondale Partners, LLC

Analyst · Avondale Partners

Okay, super. Second subject is looking into next year. I know you're not giving guidance, but it looks like based on the June CPI that Medicare under the clinical lab fee schedule could be slightly up next year versus the reduction you took this year. Does that look about right, right now?

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Well, that would be good, wouldn't it?

Robert Hagemann

Management

That is correct. The CPI which is used as the basis for the adjustment next year, I believe, was 3.6%. That will be reduced by a productivity adjustment and then the 1.75% that was a give back as part of healthcare reform. That productivity adjustment still has to be finalized. There are some estimates out there that it'll be about 1.2% or so. When you do the math, that gets you down to about 2/3 of 1% increase potentially in the Medicare fee schedule. And that's going to be relatively immaterial amount to us, although certainly better than a reduction.

Surya Mohapatra

Chairman

Well, if there are no more questions, I would like to say in closing, in the quarter we grew revenues and adjusted EPS and started the integrations of Athena and Celera. We announced short-term cost actions and are embarking on a multiyear initiative to improve our profitability. Diagnostic testing continues to have tremendous potential for growth. We are the clear leader with unique assets and value, and we are building on our strength and focused on execution. Thank you all for joining us on our call this morning. Operator?

Operator

Operator

Thank you for participating in the Quest Diagnostics Second Quarter Conference Call. A transcript of prepared remarks on this call will be posted later today on Quest Diagnostics' website at www.questdiagnostics.com. A replay of the call may be accessed online at www.questdiagnostics.com/investor or by phone at (800) 645-7431 for domestic callers or (203) 369-3819 for international callers. No access code is required. Telephone replays will be available 24 hours a day until midnight, Eastern Time, on August 20, 2011. Goodbye.