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Donnelley Financial Solutions, Inc. (DFIN)

Q3 2025 Earnings Call· Wed, Oct 29, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by. My name is Kathleen, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Donnelley Financial Solutions Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the call over to Mike Zhao, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Michael Zhao

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining Donnelley Financial Solutions Third Quarter 2025 Results Conference Call. This morning, we released our earnings report, including a set of supplemental trending schedules of historical results, copies of which can be found in the Investors section of our website at dfinsolutions.com. During this call, we'll refer to forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties. For a complete discussion, please refer to the cautionary statements included in our earnings release and further details in our most recent annual report on Form 10-K, quarterly report on Form 10-Q and other filings with the SEC. Further, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial information, such as adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin. We believe the presentation of non-GAAP financial information provides you with useful supplementary information concerning the company's ongoing operations and is an appropriate way for you to evaluate the company's performance. They are, however, provided for informational purposes only. Please refer to the earnings release and related tables for GAAP financial information and reconciliations of GAAP to non-GAAP financial information. I am joined this morning by Dan Leib, Dave Gardella and other members of management. I will now turn the call over to Dan.

Daniel Leib

Analyst

Thank you, Mike, and good morning, everyone. Our third quarter results offered further validation of our strategy, including the continued shift toward a favorable sales mix driven by double-digit growth in our SaaS offerings, strong year-over-year growth in adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin expansion. In addition, we continue to make great progress in modernizing and expanding the adoption of our offerings in the marketplace, highlighted by the launch of our new Venue Virtual Data Room product. Against the backdrop of an improving but still soft capital markets transactional environment, which resulted in an 8% reduction in our event-driven transactional revenue, we delivered solid results, which once again demonstrated the resiliency of our operating model across various market conditions and the sustainability of our performance as our business mix continues to transform. Specific to our third quarter performance, I am pleased with the continued strong demand for our software offerings, where we delivered year-over-year net sales growth of 10.3%, an improvement compared to the growth rate we achieved in the first half of the year. Software Solutions sales represented approximately 52% of total sales in the quarter, a positive proof point of our transformation into a software-centric company. On a trailing 4-quarter basis, Software Solutions sales reached approximately $350 million, growing 8.5% from the third quarter 2024 trailing 4 quarters and accounted for 46.5% of trailing 4-quarter sales, an increase of approximately 640 basis points from the third quarter 2024 trailing 4-quarter sales. This continued positive mix shift positions us well to achieve our long-term target of driving approximately 60% of total sales from Software Solutions by 2028. A major driver of the third quarter software growth was the performance of our recurring Compliance software products. ActiveDisclosure and Arc Suite, which posted approximately 16% sales growth in aggregate, marking the…

David Gardella

Analyst

Thanks, Dan, and good morning, everyone. Before I discuss our third quarter operating performance, I'd like to recap one housekeeping item. As detailed in our press release issued on October 23, during the third quarter, we successfully completed the termination of our primary defined benefit pension plan, which had been frozen and closed since 2011. As part of this transaction, we made a $12.5 million cash contribution in the third quarter to fully fund the plan, which was recorded as a use of cash within the operating activities section of the statement of cash flows and settled the plan obligations through a combination of lump sum payments to certain plan participants and the purchase of a group annuity contract from a third-party insurer. In addition, as a result of the planned settlement, we remeasured the plan's assets and obligations and recognized a noncash pretax settlement charge of $82.8 million or $60.3 million on an after-tax basis resulting in a negative EPS impact of $2.20 per diluted share due to the recognition of unrealized accumulated planned losses previously reported within accumulated other comprehensive loss on the balance sheet. Finally, the settlement of the plan resulted in the removal of approximately $10 million of net liability from our balance sheet comprised of approximately $200 million of plan obligations and approximately $190 million of plan assets. We are pleased with this outcome, which will further enhance our financial flexibility and reduce future administrative and financial volatility associated with the legacy pension plan. Now turning to our third quarter operating performance. As Dan noted, we delivered strong results within the backdrop of an improved operating environment, highlighted by an acceleration in Software Solutions growth and year-over-year increases in adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin. We posted approximately 10% growth in our Software Solutions net…

Daniel Leib

Analyst

Thanks, Dave. The execution of our strategy continues to deliver positive results and further demonstrates DFIN's ability to perform well in varying market conditions. Our solid financial profile provides us with the foundation to continue to execute our strategic transformation. While the government shutdown has injected uncertainty into the capital markets transactional environment, the combination of our strong market position and deep domain expertise positioned DFIN well to capitalize on the return to a more normalized level of activity. We are in the midst of preparing our 2026 operating plan and extending our long-range plan through 2030. In 2026, we expect to build on the positive momentum in growing our software solutions portfolio, including accelerating the shift of our traditional compliance activities to SaaS, continued operational transformation and the execution of our strategy. Through the planning period, we expect continued progress in delivering higher value for our clients, our employees and our shareholders. Consistent with past practice, we expect to provide an update on 2026 and our long-range projections in February. Before we open it up for Q&A, I'd like to thank the DFIN employees around the world. Now with that, operator, we're ready for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Charles Strauzer of CJS Securities.

Charles Strauzer

Analyst

Maybe we can just pick up on the government shutdown discussion. And when you look at the -- thank you for giving us the quantification in your guidance for Q4 for revenue. But any metrics you can give us around the impact to margins in Q4?

David Gardella

Analyst

Yes, Charlie, I'll talk about that. I think we've contemplated the margin impact of the lower transactional revenue in our range. As we talked about margins in the quarter, we -- even at the midpoint at 23% for Q4, expect to be up about 300 basis points relative to what we delivered last year. And again, I think that's in line with the margin expansion we've seen so far this year. Obviously, that has a bit of a negative impact in Q4. But the piece that we have going the other way, right, we talked about the outsized health care. We're going to get a recovery on that in Q4. We've actually already received the cash for that recovery. And so when you look at the 300 basis points of margin expansion, again, that's at the midpoint of our guidance. About half of that is driven by this health care recovery. And then I would say the other half just kind of in line with our ongoing margin expansion. As you saw this quarter, to the extent that capital markets transactional revenue comes in higher, we would expect to outperform that just like we did in Q3. And that was a big driver. That will be the swing factor, I guess, in any quarter but certainly as we face the government shutdown here in Q4.

Daniel Leib

Analyst

Yes. And then just to add, and maybe Craig can also provide some context to past shutdowns and impact. But the impact of the shutdown, as we said, is primarily in our capital markets transactions area, all of the compliance activities that run through the SEC continue during the shutdown other than those that are associated with transactions, but minimal impact to venue, and Craig can speak to both venue and then what we've seen from past shutdowns.

Craig Clay

Analyst

Yes, Charlie, to build on Dave and Dan's comments, the SEC posted guidance that provides a path forward for companies seeking to IPO. So unlike past shutdowns, the IPO market is frozen for most but not all. It cannot -- the SEC cannot declare a registration statement effective. But instead, they've instructed companies to file a completed statement and wait 20 days. So there are companies that are pressing ahead. As we look at October, we have 5 listings that have completed, 4 are traditional IPOs greater than $100 million, 2 of those are DFIN deals. We've also completed one very large direct listing this month, Obook, which closed up 480% a DFIN deal. And then you look forward, according to Renaissance Capital, 6 companies intend to price in the next few weeks using the SEC's 20-day guidance. DFIN is working with 5 of those 6. And then if you look at the total number of publicly companies on file at the SEC to price, including the 6, that is a total of 13 with a $50 million or greater placeholder. These are publicly filed but not priced. A DFIN supported deal joined the list yesterday, Medline could be the largest IPO of the year and their public filing signals that despite the shutdown, the IPO market continues to move forward. DFIN's share of these 13 deals is 69%. We have a robust pipeline of companies who file confidentially. -- as well as an IPO pipeline of RFPs. So it is definitely impacted. It has slowed, hasn't completely stopped given the 20-day rule. And then to build on some of the M&A comments that Dan talked about, we're really fortunate at DFIN to have a business that delivers M&A support from deal ideation through the process to announce transactions that require public disclosure. With Venue, it's a really optimistic look as Dan and Dave stated, Q3 results show progress. We're seeing increased activity in Venue, and we have a new product. Clients are loving it. Venue's architecture will provide us great leverage going forward. And we expect the product launch to strengthen Venue as the data room of choice, and we look forward to those accomplishments in future quarters. But M&A in the traditional side, is impacted. It is already a complex regulatory environment and the government shutdown has exacerbated this. So we expect deals that were to close in Q4 to be pushed to 2026 due to regulatory bottlenecks. While we know the government will open, we can't predict it. And we've been here before. These delayed transactions will get completed but it likely could be 2026. It's going to take a beat for the market to catch up once the government opens. And then we're working against the holidays here in November and December. So it's going to open. The underlying activity is strong and DFIN is at the ready.

Charles Strauzer

Analyst

Great. Shifting gears a little bit to the talk about SEC reporting frequency from quarterly to potentially semiannual. How are you thinking about that? And any knowledge you could share with us?

Craig Clay

Analyst

Yes. Great question. So we're closely monitoring the developments related to the proposal to reduce the frequency of corporate reporting. At this time, many, many questions are outstanding. So will the proposal require more disclosure for a semiannual report than a current 10-Q? What will the XBRL tagging requirements be? Another option is for the SEC to continue to require quarterly earnings 8-Ks. These could be larger. And does it expand the 8-K disclosure that would require XBRL tagging. We're also analyzing what happened in Europe. Companies here will be given a choice. Most European countries -- companies, sorry, when given the choice did not reduce the frequency of reporting. So we really don't know what the adoption rate will be here in the U.S. So given these unknown aspects, we're continuing to build models and to follow it. But I think the most important point to make is the vast majority of our 10-Qs are on ActiveDisclosure, which operates as a subscription business with long-term contracts. So this subscription model insulates DFIN from most of the public change that would be associated with this. As the subscription is priced not on a per filing basis but on a software delivery basis. So following it closely, we have some insulation to the impact.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Pete Heckmann of D.A. Davidson.

Peter Heckmann

Analyst

I wanted to follow up on this resurgence of SPAC IPOs that we've seen. Over the last, what, 4 to 6 quarters, when we think about DFIN's participation there, I guess, how much of DFIN not getting retained on some of these deals is the company's choice and worries about potentially those deals not getting done? And how much of it is just a more competitive set of competitors kind of on these lower-end IPOs?

Eric Johnson

Analyst

Yes. DFIN is selective in our SPAC go-to-market. And as you're familiar with the reasons why risk of liquidation, delisting, merger terminations, there is an increase in the quantity and there is a few quality deals, and those are the ones that we play at. Our share in this increased market has declined, but it's declined because 58% of the year-to-date deals are nano microcap companies, 25% are trading below the $5 per share, 33% are international. Most of those have an international provider. And 50% of the SPACs have been public for over 3 years, so they're struggling to find a target. So we continue to be selective due to these reasons. We're aware of the activity levels and remain really diligent on reviewing the opportunities. We are participating in quality SPAC and de-SPAC deals with Tier 1 deal teams. And the issuers that use a competitor for a SPAC merger and have completed it, we're attacking those clients and winning their future '34 Act reporting on ActiveDisclosure, so contracted revenue. So some of these companies, when they get through, we're able to upgrade them from the lower-end providers.

Peter Heckmann

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful. And then just in terms of Venue in October, I'm not sure if you can give us too much insight there. But just thinking about, we have seen an uptick in larger M&A deals in the bank sector and some other sectors. I guess, are you seeing the benefit of that? And to the extent that there is a slowdown in government reviews that slowed down M&A -- the process of M&A towards closing. Would you expect to see that October, November? Kind of what do you think is the timing there? And then in prior shutdowns, I guess, how fast does the catch-up occur?

Craig Clay

Analyst

Go ahead, Dave.

David Gardella

Analyst

Craig, I'll start and then you can jump in. I think certainly, the momentum that we saw in Venue in Q3, it's embedded in our guidance in Q4 as well. I think the underlying activity still remains and regardless of the shutdown and deals getting completed. It's one of the great things, and we've talked about this in the past that if you look -- describe the market as the number of completed deals, you may get a very different answer than the activity that's going on underneath the waterline, so to speak. And we feel really good about how we're positioned with Venue, especially with the new product in the market and the acceptance that we're getting thus far. Go ahead, Craig.

Craig Clay

Analyst

To build on that, Dave, thank you. We're playing in the formal process of deals coming to market. So before they're announced, certainly before they close. So as Dave said, excited by that opportunity. We have pitches that are up, opportunity creation that is up, so all moving in the right direction as we see what you see. Given that we have this broad application serving both announced and unannounced, we have a lot of activity there but certainly, the government shutdown is worsening an already complex regulatory landscape. So I think you're probably referencing the antitrust. You have health care technology energy deals that are delayed. They already were delayed given the HSR Act updates, which has added time and complexity to the process. The government shutdown exacerbated this. So again, likely to see these deals that had anticipated to close, close later potentially in 2026. So what we expect to see is a government that opens. It will take a while to get moving again. One of the things that's been eliminated during the shutdown is the Trump administration have been able to terminate the waiting period. But with the shutdown, they don't have the staff to do it. So we would anticipate a build. It likely will be in 2026.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Kyle Peterson of Needham.

Kyle Peterson

Analyst

I wanted to start off, the tax rate this quarter. It looks like you guys had a pretty big kind of onetime benefit. Is that related to the pension plan settlement and everything like that? Or were there any like discrete items or anything that skewed the tax rate around this quarter that we should be mindful of?

David Gardella

Analyst

Yes, Kyle, I think we talked about the pretax pension charge of just over $80 million, the post-tax at $60 million. So certainly, the pension tax component of that weighed on the GAAP tax rate. I think in the non-GAAP tax rate, a little bit different story there where we exclude it but some small dollars of adjustments there related to different tax legislation, et cetera, can impact that rate.

Kyle Peterson

Analyst

Okay. Okay. That's helpful. So even though it's -- you guys settled the pension formally in the fourth quarter, it was a tax noise item in the third quarter.

David Gardella

Analyst

So we -- Kyle, just to be clear, that was -- we settled in the third quarter.

Kyle Peterson

Analyst

Okay. You announced it in the fourth quarter, at least but yes. Okay. all right. That is super helpful. And then I wanted to kind of follow up on Venue, and I realize it's probably a little hard to answer. But is there any way you guys could maybe tease some or parse out some of the momentum that you guys are seeing in Venue? Like what's -- if there's any way you guys could separate the benefits from the redesigned product versus activity potentially picking up, like which one you feel or whether it's qualitative feedback or anything like that, like what do you guys feel has been the bigger driver of the better performance and everything there? And how should we think? Or in past product refreshes, like how long has it taken to get more traction and such, that would be helpful.

David Gardella

Analyst

Yes. I'll start and then, Craig, if you want to jump in. I think when you look at Venue, obviously, we showed the growth this quarter. But if you take a longer-term view of Venue, we grew in the mid-20% range last year. we were overlapping a quarter in Q3 that was right along those growth rates. So I would say sales execution has been the key component to driving the growth that we've seen. That team has done a really nice job in terms of, as Craig talked about, generating new opportunities and converting those opportunities. With respect to the new product, I would say it had a very, very modest impact in Q3. We would expect more of an impact in Q4 and then certainly, the bulk of the impact of the new product to start to hit in 2026. So I think the impact of the new product, the better days due to that product are on the horizon here for us. Craig?

Craig Clay

Analyst

Yes. I will build on the Horizon part, which is our results to date are based on execution. The earlier results in the year were a function of Liberation Day, which sort of froze the market. Now we see that have absorbed and the M&A opportunities are certainly increased. When we launched the new version of Venue, it launched in the first weeks of October. These launch events continue today. So the perspective look is that what you're seeing is primarily a result of execution prelaunch. Certainly, we have a product that we think is the most purpose-built based on decades of experience. Again, clients are loving it. We expect this new product launch is going to strengthen us as the data provider -- data room provider of choice. It will be in future quarters. Our Venue team is going to continue to deliver excellence given the nature of Venue, we're going to focus on what's got us here, sales execution, taking share, price and then now we're supported by a great new product.

Kyle Peterson

Analyst

Okay. That's super helpful. And then if I could squeeze one last one in here. Are you guys thinking about capital allocation at this point, you guys have taken a lot of the uncertainty or volatility out of the pension liability at this point. Cash flow continues to improve, at least the market doesn't seem to be giving guys credit for at least like a strong pipeline and whenever the shutdown gets resolved, we'll have a resurgence in activity. But I guess, like how are you guys kind of thinking and kind of rank to order like uses of excess cash flow between buybacks and other uses? Any color there, I think, would be helpful for everyone on the call.

Daniel Leib

Analyst

Yes, sure. Thanks, Kyle. So no change relative to what we've been doing historically. We've said often the #1 priority is having the financial flexibility to execute the transformation and our strategy. To your point, we are -- have quite a bunch or quite a bit of financial flexibility and capacity. And yes, we -- as evidenced in the last quarter, as evidenced back in April, we've been very aggressive in buybacks at the appropriate times. And we think about priorities, it's the strategy, it's maintaining that financial flexibility, being opportunistic around share repurchases and disciplined and then we're looking at ways of accelerating organic or inorganic investment in the business, but only to accelerate the strategy.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And there are no questions at this time. I will now turn the conference back over to Dan Leib for closing remarks.

Daniel Leib

Analyst

Great. Thank you, and thank you, everyone, for joining, and we look forward to speaking with you soon. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.