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Donnelley Financial Solutions, Inc. (DFIN)

Q4 2016 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 28, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Donnelley Financial Solutions Fourth Quarter 2016 Results Conference Call. My name is Nicole and I will be your operator for today’s call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Sanja Burklow. You may begin.

Sanja Burklow

Management

Thank you, Nicole. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining Donnelley Financial solutions fourth quarter 2016 results conference call. This morning, we released our earnings report, a copy of which can be found in the Investors section of our website at dfsco.com. During this call, we'll refer to forward-looking statements that are subject to uncertainty. For a complete discussion, please refer to the cautionary statement included in our earnings release, the information statement dated September 23, 2016 filed as an exhibit to our current report on Form 8-K filed on September 23, 2016 and other filings with the SEC. Further, we will discuss non-GAAP and pro forma financial information. We believe the presentation of non-GAAP and pro forma results provides you with useful supplementary information concerning the company's ongoing operations and is an appropriate way for you to evaluate the company's performance. They are, however, provided for informational purposes only. Please refer to the press release and related footnotes for GAAP information and a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP information. We are joined this morning by Dan Leib, Dave Gardella, Tom Juhase and Kami Turner. I will now turn the call over to Dan.

Dan Leib

Management

Thank you, Sanja, and good morning everyone. I will cover a few different topics on today’s call including the progress we have made and standing up the company to operate independently. The cost actions we have taken to reduce the amount of net dis-synergies associated with the spin-off from R.R. Donnelley and our priorities for 2017 and beyond. Following my comments, Dave will provide additional detail on our fourth quarter results and then we will open up the lines for Q&A. I am pleased to report that since our October 1st spin-off from R.R. Donnelley, we have made significant progress on multiple fronts towards setting up the company for long-term success as a standalone entity. From bringing talent into the organization to implementing plans to right size the cost structure and reallocate resources to prioritizing our investment needs and identify new market opportunities, we are taking a thoughtful but aggressive approach in our actions. Though it’s still early days, the steps we have taken and those we will continue to take will further strengthen our position in our core offerings and put us on a path toward bringing a wide array of compliance based solutions to market. Also in these first few months, I've had the opportunity to meet with many of our employees as well as with some of our clients. From our deep domain expertise and relationships to our proprietary technologies and strong service focus, our clients appreciate the value that Donnelley Financial Solutions brings to them and have also communicated opportunities to further expand our relationships. Given this positive feedback in conjunction with the actions we are taking, there are exciting opportunities ahead of us. At the same time, I recognize that 2016 was clearly a difficult year. Starting in January and continuing throughout the year, we…

Dave Gardella

Management

Thank you, Dan. Donnelley Financial spun-off from R.R. Donnelley on October 1, 2016 and this is our first quarter reporting results on a standalone basis. Before I discuss fourth quarter results, I'd like to discuss a few items that affect year-over-year comparisons between 2016 and 2015 and will also affect comparisons between 2017 and 2016. First prior periods including the first three quarters of 2016 are reported on a carve out basis and include allocations from R.R. Donnelley. Prior to the spin, certain costs for resources of the business were not recorded directly in our operations, but instead were recorded centrally at R.R. Donnelley and allocated to the company in the carve out financial statements. We estimate that the actual cost of such resources is approximately $14.3 million higher than what was allocated to us in 2015. Of the $14.3 million difference approximately $9.5 million was recognized in 2016 and the remaining $4.8 million is expected to be recognized in 2017, most of this variance is reflected in our U.S. segment and impacts SG&A as well as cost of sales. Second, we expect approximately $15.5 million in incremental annual standalone cost primarily related to IP, finance, legal, HR and executive leadership functions necessary for operating as a separate public company. We incurred approximately $7 million of these incremental standalone costs in 2016 and we expect to see a further increase of approximately $8.5 million in 2017 as the full annualized impact of these costs are incurred most of this incremental cost impacts SG&A. There's certainly some subjectivity on the breakout between these costs, but the combination of incremental standalone cost and allocate cost in excess of 2015 allocations results in gross incremental cost of approximately $29.8 million of which approximately $16.5 million was recognized in 2016 with an incremental increase…

Dan Leib

Management

Thank you, Dave. In closing, I would like to thank all of our employees for their continued hard work and focus as we continue to shape our company; we will our reliability, integrity, and quality of product and services at the core of how we engaged with our clients. And now, operator, let’s open it up for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Charles Strauzer from CJS Securities. Your line is open.

Charles Strauzer

Analyst

Hi, good morning.

Dan Leib

Management

Good morning, Charles.

Charles Strauzer

Analyst

If we could start up just want to talk a little bit more about the guidance and kind of the assumptions that you’re building in there. There appears to be at least a modest disconnect between the revenue growth and assumptions that you are forecasting versus kind of the current tone in the market in the start of the year and may be talk to a little bit too about the guidance for the implied margins for the EBITDA. And obviously we are assuming some growth there, we’re not really forecasting any material margin improvement and assuming that you do have some top-line growth and given some of the cost reduction actions that you’ve talked about, why wouldn’t there be better margin leverage?

Dan Leib

Management

Right. Yes thanks Charlie. So let me kick it off and then Dave will jump into some of the detail as well. So certainly, we saw the pull back around the time of the election in November and have seen post election in the market to pick up. Given the deal cycle our activity levels increased in January, February as Dave mentioned March being the biggest month in the quarter. I would characterize our full-year guidance as prudent calling for modest recovery in the deal market. Given the cycle timeline deals, the forward visibility is not great looking out several quarters. So we read the same things everyone else reads in terms of prognostication around what the market will look like nine months from now or six months from now. But we have taken a prudent approach towards guidance and aligned with that is building the cost structure for today’s reality and expectation that this would be a modest recovery. And so if the recovery is stronger we would expect some upside.

Tom Juhase

Analyst

Yes I think Charlie the only thing to add there is to Dan’s point for – we baked in a modest recovery in capital markets I think, importantly we built the cost structure assuming that modest recovery, to your point and Dan’s point to the extent that it ends up coming back much stronger than we baked out here both from a revenue and margin perspective, I think, that work tends to flow thorough very nicely. So we would see that in our results. I think part of the point of our guidance here kind of the first quarter out in the box is to just give you a baseline of what that cost structure looks like assuming just a modest recovery in those markets.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

May be if we could may be have a little further discussions with you on the cost side, I know there was a lot of puts and takes post spin here, you kind of give a lot of numbers that were a little confusing. May be kind of clarify kind of the differential between the Form-10s versus now what you are assuming in terms of the incremental cost in the implied by your guidance there?

Tom Juhase

Analyst

Yes absolutely, so we’ve attempted to disaggregate the pieces really just to establish the cost baseline, did a lot of work on the cost structure in the first few months, post spin, acknowledge that there is a fine line that exists between the historical allocation differences and forward-looking dis-synergies. At the end of the day, the differentiation from our perspective probably doesn’t matter much and we need to manage the overall cost structure, but to do so helpful for us to have the accurate view of the components. So we wanted to share that. As we discussed in the prepared remarks our cost initiatives will offset these costs. And also enable us to invest in the business and position us well as we ahead into 2017. Dave will run through some of the numbers in detail here.

Dave Gardella

Management

Yes so Charlie you mentioned the Form-10, so benchmarking off of the 2015 cost structure that included allocations in the Form-10. As Dan said we try to breakout the different components, higher allocations, the aggregate dis-synergies. And when we say aggregate dis-synergies meaning kind of cost that we identified that we’ve added, people that we brought in, third-party vendors, new contracts, et cetera. So that’s roughly call it $14 million of higher allocations and those costs will remain. $15 million cost that we’ve identified that we’ve added from there you subtract the roughly $20 million of cost that’s coming out of the platform. And so you end up at about net $10 million dis-synergy number which was just below the low end of our $11 million to $16 million estimate that we included in the Form-10.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, that’s helpful. And then may be give out a little bit more breakout on the sales by cycle in terms, specifically in the U.S. market for capital markets things like that.

Dave Gardella

Management

Yes, all the detail will in the 10-K. For the fourth quarter the U.S. segment was, I mentioned $182.8 million. The breakout of that is capital markets $96.6 million, and that was down from $114 million in the fourth quarter of 2015. Investment markets were $72.4 million compared to $70.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2015. Language Solutions and others was $13.8 million, compared to $14.1 million and again that’s growth in language solutions and a decline in commercial print. And the International Segment was $38.2 million, compared to $40 million in the fourth quarter of 2015 and again similar situation as I described in the prepared remarks, Language Solutions piece grew and the decline there was really the same that we saw in the U.S. kind of capital markets driven.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great that’s very helpful. Thank you very much.

Dave Gardella

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Peter Heckmann, Avondale Partners. Your line is open.

Peter Heckmann

Analyst

Good morning gentlemen.

Dave Gardella

Management

Good morning.

Peter Heckmann

Analyst

Wanted to see if you could give the relative expectations of the sub-segments in your guidance and what ranges might be included in there, so for example, with capital markets what on the transaction nature of the business what – how did you handicap the down versus up and where did that shake out and just how much kind of true visibility do you have on the [Audio Gap] market side is about 120 days, is it 90 days, is it longer. A little bit more commentary there in terms of how much visibility you have into building that guidance number?

Dave Gardella

Management

Yes sure, I think your characterizations are obviously reveals a bit different. But the 90 days is probably a fair view of forward visibility on that part of the business. Clearly as we talk about what’s going on in our GIM or investor management business or language solutions we have much more visibility, but it just speaks specifics to the transactions part of I think that quarter view is probably a pretty good view. And then clearly within a month we can have things shifted amongst quarters, but that would be the right sort of period of visibility.

Dan Leib

Management

Yes in terms of some of the detail I think you know if you look at each of the reporting units and some of the offerings within probably more of the same of what we've seen over the last few years. So I think most of the growth will be driven by the modest recovery in capital markets and then within capital markets we would continue to expect to see growth in the Venue Data Room. If you go to investment markets, again more of the same that recording unit is impacted by lower print volumes and we would expect to see that to continue generally being offset by growth in kind of that management. And that's consistent with what we've seen over the last few years. Language solutions, we would expect to continue to see growth both in the U.S. and International segment. And then we don't break out the details of International, as I mentioned, most of the fourth quarter decline was driven by capital markets partially offset by language solutions. In 2017 we’re assuming part of that modest recovery impacts international capital markets, as well as continued growth in language solutions.

Dave Gardella

Management

Yes okay. I'm sorry Peter it's time you just a specificity around cap markets too I think in your question with really IPOs in M&A, the M&A, we're noticing in the last couple of years that because the M&A deals are harder to get closed or harder to get fully approved. So one of the things about the visibility there is you have the work inside the shop but the length of time that it takes for it to come out the other end is sometimes past a year. So you have this work in the shop we call, WIP or Work in Progress and not able to build it. And then you're kind of at the hands of the regulation process in terms of when they'll come out the other end. So that that clouds that visibility as well. Your numbers go up in terms of how many deals you’re bringing into the shop but then it's a question of how you get them back out the other end.

Peter Heckmann

Analyst

That makes sense, that makes sense. And then just in terms of the year could you give a little bit of qualitative commentary in terms of any relatively more difficult comparisons on a quarter-to-quarter basis, as well as the flow of margins through the year where we expect relatively more of the margin improvement to occur in the back half?

Dave Gardella

Management

Yes, so I'll start with some of the comparisons that I mentioned the $13 million of the standalone cost that kind of are carrying over into 2017. If I look quarter-by-quarter, high level numbers we’d expect probably $5 million of that on a year-over-year basis to be in Q1 roughly $3 million in Q2 and $5 million in Q3. And then generally pretty fair comps by the time we get to Q4. From a from a margin perspective, I think, adjusting for some of these incremental cost numbers, I think if you go back and look at historical margins that’ll probably be the best benchmark in terms of seasonality of the market by quarter.

Peter Heckmann

Analyst

Great All right that's helpful, thank you.

Dave Gardella

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Bill Mastoris from Robert Baird & Company.

Bill Mastoris

Analyst

Thank you. Dan I wonder if you couldn't maybe drill down a little bit on the decline in the compliance volume. I guess most of us believe the compliance is kind of a recurring revenue stream, and so to see that volume decline or at least to have it mentioned in a material sort of way I'm not sure I can play connect the dots there. May be you can kind of go ahead and help us out and give us a little bit of color on exactly what happened there?

Dan Leib

Management

Sure, absolutely. So if we look at the compliance side and break it into wins and competitive losses and then noncompetitive, the wins versus the competitive losses were actually up a bit at a client level. The noncompetitive is really what swings and so it's things like mergers and acquisitions, things like companies delisting bankruptcies, et cetera. Clearly a software IPO market impacts the amount of compliance revenue. And then you also have the follow-on, in addition to what all that's wrapped into just the upfront compliance work we obviously have the follow-on printing that is impacted as well.

Bill Mastoris

Analyst

Okay thank you. Thank you that's very helpful. One for you Dave, and this has to do with kind of the deleveraging of the balance sheet. It looks as though you're kind of on track to get into your target range in about three years with kind of the combination of the art 11 [ph] on these payment, as well as maybe a client free cash flow towards debt reduction. Is there also a mechanism, all right that kind of mandates it? Free cash flow has to be prioritized towards debt reduction. I seem to recall that you have a free cash flow sweep actually contained in your credit agreements. Is that the correct way to think about it?

Dave Gardella

Management

Yes well let me start off Bill so we ended the year at 3.6 times. I think when you look at the $68 million cash payment coming from the and adjust for that you'd be at 3.2 times. You take the midpoint of $45 million to $55 million in free cash flow. And depending on your assumption whether or not that all goes to debt repayment, I think you start to get relatively close to the top end of our targeted range by year-end and at the midpoint of our EBITDA guidance. So I think we will – assuming no M&A or other types of cash usage you get there quicker than the three years you were talking about. With respect to the uses of free cash you're correct we do have in addition to the normal amortization on the term loan there is the excess cash flow suite that requires us to pay down the term loan with that cash.

Bill Mastoris

Analyst

Dan or I should say, I'm sorry Dave if you can remind me that's 50% of excess cash flow is defined is that correct?

Dave Gardella

Management

That's right.

Bill Mastoris

Analyst

Okay, thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Dave Gardella

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Brian Nolan from J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.

Brian Nolan

Analyst

Hey guys can you hear me?

Dave Gardella

Management

Yes, yes.

Brian Nolan

Analyst

I just one to ask if you could bridge the EBITDA guidance the free cash flow. So as an extension of the last question you guys have the $25 million RP basket that you can use the paydown D 16 unsecured. Is that right? And if so trying to subtract the interest cost from that EBITDA I’m not sure how you end up with the free cash flow guidance that you provide?

Dave Gardella

Management

Yes, so I’m not sure what you are including in there, but from EBTIDA, so cash taxes, I mentioned higher cash restructuring and some spin related costs. And so, I think, if you look at our historical cash restructuring being in the $5 million to $6 million range we would expect that to be higher this year, probably closer to low to mid teens. Cash interest based on the financing should be just over $40 million. There’s some pension contributions and some other cash payments should get you pretty close to that range. And again I mentioned CapEx in the range of $30 million to $35 million.

Brian Nolan

Analyst

Okay, thank you very much.

Dave Gardella

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our final question comes from Justin Henderson from Eagle Assets. Your line is open.

Justin Henderson

Analyst

Hi how many plans are you guys elaborating?

Tom Juhase

Analyst

Hi it’s Tom Juhase. We have two facilities in Lancaster, Pennsylvania and one is Secaucus, New Jersey and then we have a production site in Phoenix, Arizona.

Justin Henderson

Analyst

And what are they like the pretty S1s and Form-10 something like that? Exactly we have our mutual fund business, perceptiveness for the funds. And then the Secaucus facility is well uses that for annual reports, or proxies. So your basic financial printing business. And then we also have a facility in Temecula that we lease for fulfillment, it’s into [indiscernible] California?

Dan Leib

Management

Just from a production standpoint we’re producing roughly half of our work inhouse and then the other portion gets outsourced to third-party providers.

Justin Henderson

Analyst

Okay can you talked about your deal cycle earlier in the call on average how long do you work with the client and capital market that’s working on a dealer in IPO?

Dan Leib

Management

Yes I mentioned this time again, so I mentioned before that in the visibility question, for an IPO deal transaction it can be short as 120 days and it can be long as six months. When the markets are less volatile, and the window is open they get the deals done. The window to get the deal done closes shorter. Last year and, for example, it was tough year. It’s difficult to progress ability and it’s also difficult to built a busted deal. So we had a lot of that going on last year, but the year window is anywhere from three months to five months as a normality, in a normal market.

Justin Henderson

Analyst

Would you say it’s difficult to build a busted deal that’s just written off?

Dan Leib

Management

No not at all. It’s now it is you would take some of this from the accounting standpoint, it’s really working with the working group and the companies to the sort through what their plans are going forward whether or not it’s to put on all door is closed.

Dave Gardella

Management

And from a bad debt perspective to Tom’s point we’re generally able to deal for those that work perform to date in any of those projects and have a pretty good track record in terms of collectability.

Justin Henderson

Analyst

How good is pretty good track record? What’s your….

Dave Gardella

Management

The bad debt number is very low, less than few million dollars.

Justin Henderson

Analyst

Okay. Your press release gives you a better job of breaking out the segment. It’s paying a lot of attention to non-GAAP accounting versus GAAP. Comparing the segments would be a little more helpful. Finally, when you guys showed trailing free cash flow numbers in the slide shows before you guys plan out. And then at the Bank of America Conference, I guess the interest cost wasn’t – was there any allocation for RR Donnelley’s interest cost in that number.

Dave Gardella

Management

Yes that’s right. Those were right out of the Form-10 carve out financials.

Justin Henderson

Analyst

Okay. All right, thanks for taking my questions.

Dan Leib

Management

Thank you. And thanks for the questions. I think operator that was it for the queue. So appreciate everyone being on the call. And we’ll talk to you in May. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today’s conference. Thank you for participating, you may now disconnect.