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Darling Ingredients Inc. (DAR)

Q2 2016 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 12, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Darling Ingredients Conference Call to discuss the company's second quarter 2016 financial results. With us today are Mr. Randall Stuewe, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Darling Ingredients; and Mr. John Muse, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. [Operator Instructions] Today's call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Melissa Gaither, Vice President, Investor Relations and Global Communications for Darling Ingredients. Please go ahead.

Melissa Gaither

Analyst

Thank you, Allison. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss Darling's earnings results for the second quarter 2016, ended July 2, 2016. To augment management's formal presentation, please refer to the Presentations section of our IR website for the earnings slide deck. Randall Stuewe, our Chairman and CEO, will begin today's call with an overview of our second quarter operational and financial performance, and discuss some of the trends impacting our business. John Muse, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, will then provide additional details about our financial results. Please see the full disclosure of our non-GAAP -- non-U.S. GAAP measures in both our earnings release and the end of the earnings slide presentation. Finally, Randy will conclude the prepared portion of the call with some general remarks about the business and the rest of the year ahead. After which, we will be happy to answer your questions. Now for the safe harbor statement. This conference call will contain forward-looking statements regarding Darling Ingredients' business opportunities and anticipated results of operations. Please bear in mind that forward-looking information is subject to many risks and uncertainties and actual results may differ materially from what is projected. Many of these risks and uncertainties are described in Darling's Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ending January 2, 2016, our recent press release announced yesterday and our filings with the SEC. Forward-looking statements in this conference call are based on our current expectations and beliefs, and we do not undertake any duty to update any of the forward-looking statements made in this conference call or otherwise. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Randy.

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

Thanks, Melissa. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us. This quarter, the optionality that exists within several of our businesses enabled us to take full advantage of a stronger market, driven by a sharp run-up in global fat and protein prices, on top of growing global processing volumes. Our quarterly results were highlighted by a significant improvement in our Feed segment, while Food and Fuel segments continue their consistent performances. Diamond Green Diesel also delivered a sharply improved performance. Now let's move to some specific segment updates. As we discussed in our Q1 call, we anticipated our Feed segment would deliver improved earnings. While protein and fat prices did increase in the quarter, there were several other significant contributors to the stronger performance. The improvement was not isolated to the U.S.A., Canada and Europe rendering also showed improved result. As we discussed in the past, the U.S.A. non-formula rendering and Restaurant Services businesses are structured to benefit the most from pricing improvements. For the quarter, it should also be noted that our Global Blood business and our U.S.A. Bakery Feeds businesses had significantly improved performances as well. Both prudent risk management and targeted widening of margins assisted our performance in Bakery Feeds, while Sonac blood, especially in China, delivered stronger earnings with capacity expansions coming online and stronger demand from an expanding Chinese hog herd. Globally, rendering saw strong raw material volumes, with tonnage growth primarily coming from the poultry sector. Our Restaurant Services business in the U.S.A. continues to benefit from improved volume and margins. For the most part, the performance has been driven by feedstock favorability premiums it receives in biofuels here and abroad and a growing LCFS market. The positive effect of improved go-to-market strategies and customer engagement programs are also beginning to show real progress. In…

John Muse

Analyst

Thanks, Randy. Halfway through 2016, we continue our focus on debt reduction, margin enhancement, reducing our working capital and cost reductions in both operating and SG&A, and monitoring our CapEx deployment. So let me go over some of the results that we achieved during the second quarter. For the second quarter 2016, SG&A expenses were $76.2 million. SG&A was lower in the second quarter due to gains in currency hedges, primarily in our Food Ingredients segment. We expect SG&A to run in the range of $81.5 million to $82 million a quarter for the remainder of 2016. We remain committed to reducing working capital in our business in 2016 over our 2015 levels. We will work on lowering inventories, managing our payables and focusing on our receivables. For 2016, we'll remain on target for a $20 million improvement in working capital. Darling's CapEx target for 2016 is $215 million and our second quarter CapEx spend was $56 million. In regard to significant CapEx deployments, we have completed construction and are starting to run raw material at our 2 U.S. rendering plants. We will see the full impact of these facilities in the fourth quarter. We continue to focus on debt repayment and pay down $49.9 million in debt in the second quarter. Our debt reduction target for 2016 remains at $150 million. Now onto some of our financial results for the second quarter in 2016. For the second quarter, the company reported net sales of $877.3 million compared to net sales of $859 million for the second quarter of 2015. The $18 million increase in net sales is primarily attributable to higher selling prices for fats within the Feed Ingredients segment. Overall, global raw material volumes in the Feed Ingredients segment were stronger year-over-year. In the Food Ingredients segment, raw…

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

Thanks, John. As predicted, an improved pricing environment helped our Feed segment, complementing the consistent returns delivered by our Food and Fuel segments. Although our finished product markets remain volatile, demand for our products remains solid, and we continue to grow our raw material supplies. We have commissioned here in August, 2 new rendering plants in the U.S.A., commenced construction of a new blood-processing plant in Southern Germany and this week approved the construction of a new digester in Europe. We remain steadfast in our commitment to delevering growth. We've lowered our cost structure, continue to pay down debt and created a robust global business model that is diversified and increasingly focused on premium value-added products. We paid down almost $50 million in debt in the second quarter and expect to do the same in the third. Keeping us on track, once again, to pay down the $150 million in 2016. All of this while maintaining our most important commitment to working safely and fairly around the world. With that, let's go ahead, Allison, and open it up to Q&A, please.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from Dan Mannes of Avondale Partners.

Daniel Mannes

Analyst

A couple of follow-ups. First, just a clarification. So SG&A, I think last time you were talking about, I don't know, $83 million, $84 million a quarter. Now you're talking $81 million, $82 million. That's the run rate going forward or does that include the meaningful decline we saw in Q2?

John Muse

Analyst

That's factoring in continuing cost reductions and so forth. And yes, we are expecting SG&A to be in that $81 million, $82 million range now for the remainder of the year.

Daniel Mannes

Analyst

Great, you made some real progress there. Also just if you can just give a little bit more on the hedging. We haven't seen much of a run through in your income statement before. I guess I'm wondering why you didn't get cash flow hedge treatment and it just seemed like a bigger number than we would have thought you would have had?

John Muse

Analyst

Your -- yes, that's a good observation. If you go back and look in our Q, in the Derivatives section, you'll see that what we've been doing, we -- our hedging policy and everything is on transactional hedging. But during, so far this year in South America, we saw our situation to where we felt the real was going to be weakening against other currencies more so. And because of that, we did take out hedging to protect inventory payables and receivables, which was the right thing to do. It's really part of the management -- risk management strategy out there. That hedging does not get hedge accounting, as is outlined in the Q, and that because of that, on a historical basis, that has -- would always flow through SG&A because that -- but because of the real devaluation and the protection we took against that balance sheet exposure, that did flow through SG&A. It will continue to have a little bit of that. It depends on if we feel the real will continue to weaken, and we'll continue to take those positions against that to protect that.

Daniel Mannes

Analyst

Got it. And then a bigger-picture question for Randy. Just we've not only seen a lot of volatility in commodity prices, we've seen a lot of volatility in the compliance programs, both for RFS2 and for LCFS. Just would love to get just 2 minutes on your current view on both RIN prices relative to current production and then also the LCFS market, which has been a bit of a roller coaster.

John Bullock

Analyst

Dan, this is John Bullock. Yes, we've seen volatility associated with the RINs. We saw them run up to $1.3, $1.4 and I think currently, they're at $0.88. The way that the EPA has the 2016 compliance established, the market is really driven off of what's happening off of D6 RINs, or renewable fuel RINs, and they've got, the gated process or the bucketed process for the D4s, feed into the D5s, which feed into the D6s. And for the S&D, it's extremely complicated to look at in relationship to the marketplace. And I think what you see there is the market trying to figure out what our current run production rate of RINs is versus the mandates that have been established by the EPA for 2016. It really is a representation of what the EPA did with the 2016 mandates, where they substantially increased both the advanced D5 mandates and the total renewable mandate. And it's made it so that the market has to work a little bit harder to get to those goals, but we are seeing increased production. So we're just trying to figure that out as we go through the balance of the year and I think you'll probably continue to see some volatility around that. But it's all because the market's working towards that higher mandated number that the EPA put in place for '16. On the LCFS, the discussion is all about -- specifically under what authority California moves beyond 2020 to the mandates to 2030. California Air Resource Board has big plans. They want to substantially increase the mandates from 2020 to 2030. A lot of old politics that run around this particular issue, and I think you saw the market kind of wondering what that was going to look like here a few -- a month or so ago, when we saw the LCFS credits go $110, $120 a ton down to $55. They've subsequently rallied back now to $70 because, as is the case most time in political situations, when you have the program in place, the status quo tends to be a lot easier for the governments to continue on within a change in that policy. So I think you'll probably continue to hear stories over the next month and maybe over the next year or 1.5 year, but the fact remains as we said here today, the LCFS that is in place to the year 2020 and the California Air Resource Board believes they have full authority to continue and expand the program beyond 2020.

Daniel Mannes

Analyst

Got it. Then one quick follow-up on LCFS. I don't know how much you can chalk this up to the fact that we do have a significant surplus in the markets since we've had 3 or 4 years stuck at the 1% compliance level. But even as we look to 2016, and we're barely creating surplus at 2% through the first quarter. I don't know our view is -- has been that we start seeing us cutting into the surplus maybe as soon as next year, if not, certainly in '18. I just understood your guys' view on that, particularly as green diesel potential comes online and provides a lot more product to California in '18.

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

Well, we're expanding Diamond Green Diesel by almost 50%. So we would agree with your perspective.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Ken Zaslow of BMO Capital Markets.

Kenneth Zaslow

Analyst

One quick question, a bigger-picture question is, when you're talking about the hedges in the Restaurant business, did you hedge corn prices at all? And is there a forward contract on that or anything like that?

John Bullock

Analyst

No, not in the Restaurant business. we had hedges on transactional currency, hedges on in the Food segment and within Rousselot and then within the Feed segment within the Bakery Feeds, we use an option, strategy to basically color our margin position for those products.

Kenneth Zaslow

Analyst

So we expect that in the third and fourth quarter to kind of still be a collar around it because just given how corn has been volatile?

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

Yes, we've taken a pretty aggressive position there.

John Muse

Analyst

Yes, Ken, if you go back and look we've used that corn strategy for years. It's -- corn went down, and we got the benefits for that in the second quarter.

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

Yes.

Kenneth Zaslow

Analyst

Okay. And then is there any update that you think about on the shift in the dollar -- biodiesel tax credit to a producer's credit? Or are you guys still can't -- you don't think it's going to get any traction?

John Bullock

Analyst

Yes, Ken, this is John, again. There's a lot of discussion in Washington, D.C., about moving from a blenders to a producers tax credit. And there's some very powerful United States senators that believe that would be a very good idea. I suspect in an election year that you won't certainly see anything before the election. I would be very surprised. Potentially something in the lame-duck session of Congress regarding an extension of the tax credits as a producer or as a blenders. As you know, lame-duck sessions of Congress are almost impossible to predict right now, which is we don't know the outcome of the election is going to be and the dynamics that are going to be both in the White House and on the Hill. So there's still discussion about it. The existing standing laws is a blenders tax credit, and it's going to continue to be an idea that's being discussed. Once again, though, I go back to the fundamental principle in politics that the existing policy is much easier to maintain than a new policy is to implement. Doesn't mean it won't happen, but it's just more difficult.

Kenneth Zaslow

Analyst

And, Randy, last question for you is. Can you talk about your CapEx project? Which ones are going as planned, if there's any delays. Just kind of give us an update on the capital projects.

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

Yes. No, that's fair. I think we've kind of come into the year. We've always said the maintenance CapEx to run the business $175 million, $185 million. We've kind of stepped out there and said, we think we'll be around at $225 million level for the year, and maybe $230 million depending on weather and how the outflows go at the end of the year here. We've got the wet pet plants are online and paid for there. Paducah is coming up to speed ramping up with its customers. Ravenna is, both were pretty much on time and on budget. So the 2 rendering plants, one in Pocahontas, Arkansas; one in Winesburg, Ohio, were commissioned here over the last 10 days and they're coming up to speed right now, both on time, on budget. We're in process of breaking ground in Mering, Germany on a new blood processing plant. So we've got all the permits. Most of '17 will be used to construct that and then the Board approved the -- a construction of a new digester in Belgium this week. So those are really the big projects we have in hand. Otherwise everything is pretty much status quo, Ken. So I hope that answers it.

Kenneth Zaslow

Analyst

Okay. I'm sorry, one last one. I kind of lied a bit. Is there any possibility of you paying down debt more aggressively given the size in the quarter and the cash flow outlook?

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

I think we're pretty aggressive out there at $150 million right now. We anticipate another $50 million in third quarter. Diamond Green Diesel margins are very solid right now. I don't think that's a surprise. We've traditionally seen some seasonality in that biofuels business in fourth quarter, we'll see if we have that this year or not. Remember, the thing for us on additional, we can either delay CapEx or we could pull a dividend, we don't anticipate pulling a second dividend out of Diamond Green as we continue to build cash into the expansion next year. I think as I always try to point out to people, though, is, at the margins that we anticipate running in '17 and the capital outflows, that somewhere by the end of '17 or early first quarter of '18, Diamond Green will be completely delevered, and then it's a different game for the balance of '18.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Tom Palmer of JPMorgan.

Thomas Palmer

Analyst

If we're to frame the likely 3Q '16 pricing and margin environment for Feed segment products, would you say it's slightly better than it was a year ago? Is it more appropriate to say that it's comparable to a year ago? Just trying to understand the progression there.

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

Yes. I never spend much time, Tom, looking back year-over-year on this stuff. I look back about 90 days, so let me glance here. But yes, it's fairly comparable as I glance down the list year-over-year there. We saw prices run up, and we've got to kind of break the continents out. In the Feed segment, there's a lot of different businesses in there, blood continues strong, bakery is margin, Restaurant Services, yes, it got some commodity exposure. We've seen used cooking oil move down just a little bit, a little bit of the margin offsets down in Diamond Green Diesel then for us. In Europe, we've seen fat prices steady to rise, but protein come off just a little bit. In the U.S.A., we've seen fat prices come down a little bit, but protein prices move up substantially and they're holding there right now. And then in Canada, fat prices are steady. Meat and bone meal prices because of the -- an issue with mad cow here a few months back, are under a little bit of pressure. So overall, we kind of look at it as there's some pressure. And when we -- we're trying to is, we set up third quarter, you've got some traditional seasonality. The European sector seems to always back off in the third quarter, whether it would be our rendering business or our global gelatin business. And then in the U.S.A. we have a little bit of pricing pressure that usually happens from summertime quality. It's been -- as everybody knows in the U.S.A., it's been very hot this summer and that has its impact on fats.

Thomas Palmer

Analyst

Okay. And then just a quick follow-up. You spoke in the fourth quarter about some of the negative effects of lag pricing in that Feed segment. Can you quantify, even ballpark how much it helped in the second quarter?

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

Well, I mean, as we came out, there's always a lag, and we saw a lot in the chicken products. To quantify it, it's very difficult, but we saw, still in March and April, we were selling meat and bone meal in North America in the mid-200s and now, it's in the mid-300s. So there was some help in the lag on the way up, but you also have to remember that we had a 60-day pipeline of sold the product down to Diamond Green Diesel as prices ran up. So yet protein helping us, maybe fat lagging a little bit on the other side. So...

Thomas Palmer

Analyst

Okay, that's helpful. And then I'll just sneak in one last one and wrap up. On the Diamond Green Diesel side, I know it's still a little early on the expansion side, but thoughts on a dividend in the next year?

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

Right now, I think we're saying unless the margin environment, meaning LCFS and U.S.A. biodiesel, really is something that we can't see or above where we think it will be, we don't anticipate one until -- because our idea is just focused on delevering Diamond Green and using the cash to pay for the expansion.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Craig Irwin of Roth Capital Partners.

Craig Irwin

Analyst

So, Randy, I wanted to understand the volumes in your rendering segment a little bit better. You were flat sequentially, up quite nicely year-over-year at $33 million benefit year-over-year on the top line. Can you help us understand sort of the relative contribution of any of your internal growth initiatives as far as the CapEx projects to the June quarter results?

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

To be very transparent on that, I think there's been some things that are transparent and delivering and some that aren't so transparent, Craig. When I look around the world, all of our rendering businesses are really focused on cost management, widening margins and we had -- and tonnage was -- in second quarter, was really consistent, still stronger than year-over-year, may be down a little bit here and there depending on geography, whether it was beef or pork, Europe or Canada. We've added some new accounts, some organic growth both here and in the U.S.A. and Canada. And so we've seen some growth there. Where we were expecting to get some improvement was out of our wet pet food businesses. We've not captured that yet, at the rate that we kind of anticipated for the year, but we can also see it coming on. When I look down, our fertilizer businesses in the Feed segment have done a neat job with strong demand there. And then most importantly, a year ago today, we were telling people about restructuring the U.S.A. Restaurant Services business to be kind of more predictable and widen margins out. And they have clearly done that, while they've had some benefit of some price movement on the way up, it's been more important with their go-to-market and how they're managing customers and routes and paying customers, where, in which markets they need to and collecting fees and other markets where they can. So really at the end of the day, as we look down, and that was kind of the point in the script, it just simply wasn't U.S.A. price increase that drove the Feed segment improved results.

John Muse

Analyst

Yes, Craig, your question on that as far as the CapEx, the volume increased from second quarter '15 to second quarter '16. A lot of the CapEx that we did spend was for being able to handle the increased tonnage in poultry, both in Europe and the U.S., that the poultry industry has increased in their kills and the heavier birds. So a lot of the CapEx spending was on existing facilities to handle that volume. As our customers continue to grow, we have to spend the money to grow with them and have the capability to process that material.

Craig Irwin

Analyst

Great. And then continuing on that growth theme, with the 2 new facilities you just brought online, can you remind us how quickly you expect fill these facilities? Do they have pre-existing customer relationships or pre-existing needs that you will be serving? Or do we need to see a route -- collection route volumes grow over the next couple of quarters for those to be fully utilized?

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

No. These are the first of a type where we have co-located at slaughter facilities, both the new slaughter facility and an existing one that will be expanded. There -- one of them is ramping up their slaughter facility now. I think from a contribution standpoint, we'll get a little bit out of it in the third quarter, and I would expect in fourth quarter to be at full speed. And that will be -- those are 2 major expansions, and then we're also seeing some additional poultry growth down here in Texas. And then it also goes without noting that we're seeing major poultry expansion in Poland right now. And so it's really a global phenomenon on the poultry side and with pork in China running up as expensive as it is, you're going to see just really, you're just going to see strong slaughter numbers where you can and where the animals are around the world for the balance of the year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Adam Samuelson of Goldman Sachs.

Adam Samuelson

Analyst

Maybe first circling back on the third quarter dynamics that we've seen, you've seen some notable kind of falls in some of the fat and yellow grease prices in the last 30, 45 days that aren't being mirrored in the rest-of-world complex. RINs have also been soft, and I'm wondering if you can talk about some dynamics that are going to play in the biodiesel industry, because if the biodiesel demand is that good, I'm surprised to see that the fat prices moving where they have been -- to moving in the last few weeks.

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

Well, I think, once again, we'll reaffirm our thesis on why we're expanding Diamond Green Diesel. The biodiesel industry in the United States is processing as much animal fat as it physically can. Doesn't have the capability, nor can it handle the high acid material that our machine puts out today. So that's -- it's summertime, acids, they can't handle 20% acid material, and that's the challenge in the system today. That's the reason Diamond Green is being built up or going to grow. I mean, it's running as much corn oil and used cooking oil and talo and poultry that it can today and the next level will then help us have a new market now for some of the high acid material that's being discounted to feed. If you look at it, with corn moving down, Adam, it used to be before Diamond Green, it'd be -- that if you did the quick math today, the equivalent for feed would be around $0.20, and we're getting premiums of 20%, 25% above that into the fuel markets today. So the model is working relative to a reduction -- or it's comparison to soy, we share that with you. It's -- we were holding pretty stronger there for a while. Soy dipped as the world kind of trying to adjust to what the real crop numbers are there. But in our model, in our S&D around the world, we kind of see fats, both from soy to palm, tightening up here pretty nicely, and that will ultimately give some lift. You just always have to get through the summertime of the discounting of high acid fats to find a home for them today, because the only place they can find homes is predominantly to feed, and that's a cheaper number today.

Adam Samuelson

Analyst

Great. And then I want to go into some comments you made on the Food segment, and you called the third quarter one of a few adjustments, and you called out China, in particular, given some of the hog issues there. Can you help size kind of the headwind that you're facing in food in Rousselot specifically, I guess, in China? And I guess, it's maybe filtering back into Europe there, but just help us think about the impact.

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

We see the impact as I don't -- I want to say at minimal, and what I was trying to position it's all always hard to do it in a written script here as you're seeing some dynamics evolve in that business. And so predominantly, we run both pigskin gelatin and bone plants in China today. The bone plants are just fine. The pigskin has gone back into the Food segment, if you will, you can make gelatin out of it or it can be sold as food. And so the price of pigskin has moved up rapidly in China, compressing the margins there, so we're making some adjustments. We'll be running some more high gelatins and we have the flexibility to convert over to bovine hide in China there. On the other side, the offset to it in a positive way is that the cattle herd, the slaughter and everything in South America and the demand for leather has reduced. So therefore, hides have become more available in South America, predominantly Brazil. Our plants are running at a higher rate of utilization now. And with the favorable real there, that is becoming the most attractive priced gelatin in the world. So we kind of own the arbitrage that offsets each other. The U.S.A. and Europe, pigskin gelatin remains tight, margins remain good and the outlook is very favorable within that segment. As John and I have always said, the Food segment is a picture of consistency. Given that Rousselot is a big portion of that, we try to give some color in it, but we don't want to sit there and say, you got a major move happening in third quarter here.

Adam Samuelson

Analyst

Great. And if I can just squeeze one more in on the second quarter results. I'm little puzzled in the Feed segment, the protein kind of prices seemed to be up about 8% quarter-on-quarter. I looked at your listed for the Jacobsen, and the prices for bone meal and poultry meal were up north of 30% quarter-on-quarter. And I'm wondering kind of what drove the disconnect there.

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

I don't know that we understand the question, Adam.

Adam Samuelson

Analyst

If you looked at the disclosure that you gave on -- in the slides about the different components of feed, it looked like protein prices -- the price contribution in proteins and rendering quarter-on-quarter was up significantly less than what the Jacobsen prices would have been quarter-on-quarter, and I'm wondering if there's any thoughts there.

John Muse

Analyst

When we're looking on a sequential basis, what was showed on the Jacobsen, as you said, we were up 20% and 30% on the pricing on the Jacobsen. The big difference is on the pet spreads and so forth, those return back to normality in that area. We're back up to the 250-or-so over feed grade, and we're getting good demand now back into our -- into the pet food where in first quarter, we weren't -- we didn't -- we weren't having the demand for the pet. Other than that, I am not sure, as Randy said, we're understanding your questions.

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

I mean, the only other thing that it's hard to always say, you're always sold 30 to 45 days out. And when you get a situation of a rapidly rising or rebounding market, remember that in the rendering side, that a 65%, 75% of that business in the U.S.A. is on -- and is on formula, and so you go what we call into a lag or upside down, and it doesn't flow through at -- within that given time frame.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from William Baldwin of Baldwin Anthony Securities.

William Baldwin

Analyst

Randy, just a couple of questions here. On the UCL business, it actually showed a year-over-year decline here in the second quarter year-over-year, and I was kind of thinking when the demand is out there, like they have been on the biodiesel front and so forth, that business would have shown on year-over-year positive number. You know what -- I know it's a small number, but that is one of your more profitable business, being non-formula, and I'd just wonder what was going on there?

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

We show what is up in all categories, Bill. So I'm -- we're glancing here, used cooking...

William Baldwin

Analyst

I showed a $41.7 million versus $43.1 million, comes out of your 10-Q there, where you go through the different products that comprise your Feed Ingredients revenues, your rendered revenues.

John Muse

Analyst

That's on the revenue side, yes. No, the volumes, remember, this is from a -- it's sales and everything, but as the -- you've got to cut also some shipments and so forth that can carry over from one quarter to the other quarter. But yes, it's basically flat from that perspective. If you look first quarter of '16 to second quarter '16, you're right. Absolutely, used cooking oil was up, but our volumes were steady during that time. Some of that material, when you get into second quarter, Bill, that material gets mixed in with some of our rendering product. We don't like to do that, but to help upgrade some of the rendering product to where we can move it because the free fatty acids get so high, we have to blend some of that product at times to move it. And so then that...

Thomas Palmer

Analyst

With the trends on biodiesel production going forward, should we expect that business, though, to trend upward over -- looking at it on an annualized basis going forward?

John Muse

Analyst

Absolutely, yes.

William Baldwin

Analyst

And have you all given any color to expose how much -- how many gallons you sold out of your Diamond Green Diesel in the second quarter? I didn't catch it in the 10-Qs, is the reason I asked. It could be in there, I might have just missed it.

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

Yes, production, we produced 43.8 during the quarter. We were actually running closer at times to the 175 million gallon annualized run rate there. And you always have to remember, we're on -- in the spring, we're on summer-spec, and that's a little we can run a little faster there. So typically for third quarter, we would say probably geared back around that 40 million gallon production number, again.

John Muse

Analyst

Yes, Bill, those numbers are in the earnings slides that's out on the website.

Thomas Palmer

Analyst

Is that where they are at? Okay. Okay, good. I'll get those in. And basically, are you selling pretty much what you're producing?

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

We'd sell more if we had it.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from John Quealy of Canaccord Genuity.

John Quealy

Analyst

Three questions. First, I guess, back to the previous gentleman's question. Restaurant Services use cooking oil, given the generally supportive environment for fuels, talk about competition. You guys have done a nice job of beating down folks where you need to. I know the relative prices aren't what they were a couple of years ago, but talk about that environment. Is it still hand-to-hand combat, or do you feel like you have a better handle on some of the peddlers out there?

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

Yes. I mean, John Bullock runs that business with Todd Mathes. They -- we have really restructured the business and how we go to market from a standpoint of how we work with the customers. I prefer not to use the word, beat the customers down, John, but we have essentially reestablished and looked at each one of our markets and our penetrations. And then we're doing a really nice job there. We are seeing our volumes hold in here. I mean, yes, we thought maybe there would be a little bit of a cannibalization or theft, again, that would develop with some of the higher prices. But for the most part, other than in some large metropolitan areas, it's pretty much steady as we go. We're spending a lot of time and I know for a bunch of rendering guys here, when you step out in the world of social media, we're looking hard at our go-to-market and how we communicate with our customers and how we arrange pickups and make life easier for them. And it's really started this year, and we're working on that, along with some other strategies. So at the end of the day, it's working well and biofuel demand is very strong for that product, both here and abroad. And Diamond Green is the major consumer of that product here in North America today.

John Quealy

Analyst

Thanks for correcting. It should be beating the competitors down. It's a long week and the coffee hasn't set in yet. Secondly, super big picture. Randy, when you look at animal proteins and rendering volumes and total opportunity longer term for Darling, VION now, a few years in the books. Aside from a cyclicality of China, and you've called that out in some of the different sub-segments and variables, are you generally happy with the volume capture you're getting out of China in related fast-growth markets? If you can just take a step back for a minute and give us a longer-picture view on that.

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

Yes. And we completed a series of Board meetings and, once again, stopping the world and looking at it, with our management teams this week. And everything that the assumption that made going into all of the acquisitions, whether it was Canada or whether it was in Europe, South America, China, there's been no disappointment here. I mean, it's becoming apparent to us that it's very much a global dynamic market. And just like we said, we're watching in the Feed segment in the quarter, we saw our blood business deliver much improved earnings and bigger volumes, widened margins, and it's coming out of China as they now try to restart their pig production again. And then in plasma, the white blood cells from blood go to baby piglet feed. And so prices are very strong, demand is very high there. While on the other side, you can then say, well that the hog herd has gone from 735 million pigs to 600 million and they're short pork in China. So you now see a global dynamic that's impacting our gelatin business there, but it just, it challenges that business. At the same time, it then opens up pork exports out of the United States. And so you're seeing a major pork expansion with slaughterhouses here in the U.S.A. and we've been successful in growing our organic tonnage again with many of the new investments here in the U.S.A. And then the benefactor of all of it is, given the high price of pork again in the world, is you're seeing massive poultry production increases everywhere in the world. We're out of capacity in many of our Northern European plants right now for poultry. We're out of capacity in the U.S.A. for poultry processing today. So at the end of the day, it's very much working out. I think one of the comments that we made that was very interesting is with China being short pork, we're watching exports of different frozen products that are not traditionally consumed by North American and/or European consumers now being exported to China for deboning. So we're seeing a little bit of raw material degradation, but at the end of the day, if I look at it year-over-year, we're up 7%, 8%, 9% around the world, with the herds growing at a 2% and 3% productivity. So we're taking share. We've got a pretty good go-to-market strategy here.

John Quealy

Analyst

That's helpful. And then lastly, maybe for John Muse, and I'll do my best to tease this out of you. So the SG&A run rates, thanks for the visibility, thinking about '17, is there any other way you can tighten down that number? Are we going to sort of bounce at this number, maybe bounce up as we look into '17 and beyond?

John Muse

Analyst

Yes. If you go back and look, that's been one of our points of review here. If you go back and look 2 years ago, we were at -- we averaged $92.5 million a quarter on our SG&A. This last year, we were -- we're trying to get this thing down to around that $80 million, $81 million level, but -- and we'll continue to work on that. That it gets to a point, as we continue to grow our other businesses, though, and we add salespeople and the field calling on customers, that we have customer growth, if SG&A does stay where it is or even moves a little bit, we should pick up something on the other side with increased sales and profitability. So but the earnings should -- if any costs increase, it's there because we're going to be there to support new business and increased earnings.

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

But at the end of the day, with 6 new factories here, it's hard to stay steady with adding 6 new factories here and there.

John Muse

Analyst

Yes. As we add 2 new plants coming on, our goal this year with the addition of the 2 new plants that we put in just if we can maintain our SG&A at that level, we felt that was a pretty good accomplishment, which means we are continuing to reduce cost in other areas.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Gareth Lubben [ph] of Gates Capital.

Jeffrey Linn Gates

Analyst

This is Jeff. I have a couple of questions on capital allocation side and then also a question on volume. So first on the capital allocation side. If I look at Diamond Green Diesel, which is basically net debt 0 now, I'm kind of wondering, I understand your build cash and you'll spend it on the new plant and then you'll be back to net debt 0 at the end of '17. And so when we look into early 2018, that 275-gallons, should we expect profitability of around $1 a gallon? And if so, should we expect $130-or-so of dividends on a going-forward basis beginning in 2018? Or would you expect to recap transaction at that point to accelerate deleveraging at that time?

John Muse

Analyst

Jeff, our forecast and everything today is kind of like your first scenario you laid out. The cash, the $85 million debt that is there, with the expansion of approximately $150 million that we've got going there, no dividend coming out of there during '17 unless earnings, RINs and everything stay strong. We could have -- could even look for dividends '17, but we're calling that no. But in '18, with the expansion of the 275, $1 a gallon profit, that would be paid down, and we would be looking at very strong dividends coming out of Diamond Green Diesel, starting in '18 and definitely going into '19 because all the debt would be paid off. And there is no more expansion opportunity at that facility.

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

Yes, it's just really a timing issue of whether or not we're net -- we're debt free on December 31 of next year or debt free on March 31 of next year or -- that '17 and March of '18. And then we would anticipate going to a regular quarterly pool of a dividend as markets allow us.

John Muse

Analyst

And that also, a lot of that is not knowing in '17 if the dollar credit is going to be on a monthly basis or if it's going to be wait a year until you get it. There's a lot of factors in that, that we have to take into account: Is that dollar going to flow in every quarter or I should say every month in '17, or are we going to have to wait to April of '18 to get what the values are out of the credit for '17? So that's the reason -- the conservatism there, and I have to check...

Jeffrey Linn Gates

Analyst

What's the appropriate capital structure for that JV at the point at which it's expanded, if I look into 2018?

John Muse

Analyst

Well, how we're looking at it is to pay the debt down. Our joint venture partner views it to pay the debt down and then look at dividends coming out of it. You would expect, we would look at having some debt in there at all the time and pull the more dividends out. But Valero is our partner and their philosophy is pay the debt down within all JVs and then start pulling the dividends out. We are working on a finance, refinancing of that from a working capital line facility that's not been there before to give us a more flexibility going forward. But our partners, their philosophy is to pay debt down and then do dividends, and not to do full dividends out as long as there is a debt. There is a cash sweep facility in there that focuses on debt reduction.

Jeffrey Linn Gates

Analyst

Right. And then my other question on capital allocation with regards to acquisitions. I'm kind of wondering, having been through this platform, of shareholders having suffered through the platform acquisition sort of VION and the attendant risks that you picked up there, when you do go back to acquisitions, should we expect primarily in-market acquisitions could help strategic consolidation synergies or -- when you actually do go back to making acquisitions?

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

Yes, I mean, frankly, yes. I mean, our focus, Jeff, is to organically grow. Number one, in U.S.A., we've got a list of projects; in Canada, we've got a list of projects, and South America, Europe and China. And then from there, we'll be the second category, would be bolt-on acquisitions, to give us some strategic lift within that geography. I don't really see us venturing off in the next several years due to the balance sheet, into new geographies with higher risk. At this time, we got plenty to do in the areas we operate in today.

Jeffrey Linn Gates

Analyst

And then if I could ask one last question on volume. It looks like you -- I mean, the markets you're in, what would you say the volume's growing versus the volumes that you've been putting up? And how much more opportunity do you think there is for market share gains in the markets that you're in, on the volume side.

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

No, I think that's fair. As we look at the world, and we break it down into really North America, Europe and South America on meat production and a little bit in China, although that we don't participate in there, but those different businesses have been grown anywhere from 2% to 3%, whether you're talking beef, pork or chicken, chicken growing the fastest, followed by pork, trailed by beef. We've been able to take growth rates of anywhere from 4% to 5% around the world right now. And that's coming through the plants for building in the U.S.A., additional tonnage growth in Europe and additional tonnage growth in Canada. And it's coming out of customer alignment and really working with the customers around the world. So I don't see anything changing. It ebbs and flows a little bit every year, but as long as the meat production is growing in those countries, we'll take a bigger share of it.

Jeffrey Linn Gates

Analyst

But is there some secular trends towards more outsourcing by the meat producers or you're just gaining share from mom-and-pop rendering companies?

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

Well, in North America, we've taken share. We've -- and then if you -- there's been no secrets, there's 4 to 5 new pork and poultry operations under construction in the U.S. right now, we've been successful at taking most of those accounts now into our existing network. In Poland, there continues to be, as we said, in Northern Europe, lots of expansion, predominantly in poultry, and we've been able to put deals together there to take it. So I mean, it's just growth around the world, and we're going to have to build -- we're out of capacity. We are going to have to build capacity to take it on or add lines at the plants.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this will conclude our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Randall Stuewe for any closing remarks.

Randall Stuewe

Analyst

Hey, thanks, again, everybody. Thanks for joining us today, and we look forward to talking to you again about the third quarter and give you an update in November. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.