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Youdao, Inc. (DAO)

Q2 2024 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 22, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Youdao 2024 Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Jeffrey Wang, Investor Relations Director of Youdao. Please go ahead.

Jeffrey Wang

Management

Thank you, operator. Please note the discussion today will contain forward-looking statements, related to the future performance of the Company, which are intended to qualify for the Safe Harbor from liability, as established by the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. Such statements are not guarantees of the future performance and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, assumptions and other factors. Some of these risks are beyond the company’s control and could cause actual results to differ materially from those mentioned in today’s press release and this discussion. A general discussion of the risk factors that could affect Youdao’s business and financial results is included in certain company filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. The Company does not undertake any obligation to update this forward-looking information, except as required by law. During today’s call, management will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, for comparison purposes only. For the definitions of non-GAAP financial measures, and reconciliations of GAAP to non-GAAP financial results, please see the 2024 second quarter financial results news release issued earlier today. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. A webcast replay of this conference call will be also available on Youdao’s corporate website at ir.youdao.com. Joining us today on the call from Youdao’s Senior Management are Dr. Feng Zhou, our Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Lei Jin, our President; Mr. Peng Su, our VP of Strategy and Capital Markets; and Mr. Wayne Li, our VP of Finance. I will now turn the call over to Dr. Zhou to review some of our recent highlights and strategic direction.

Feng Zhou

Management

Thank you, Jeffrey. And thank you all for participating in today’s call. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that all numbers are based on Renminbi, unless otherwise specifically stated. In the second quarter of 2024, net revenues reached RMB1.3 billion, growing 9.5% year-over-year. Operating cash inflow reached record level of RMB250.2 million, an increase of 88.2% year-over-year. Loss from operations was RMB72.6 million as Q2 is typically seasonally weak in the bottom line, and it narrowed by 74.9% year-over-year. In the first-half of 2024, net revenues reached RMB2.7 billion, marking an increase of 14.5% year-over-year. Loss from operations was RMB42.6 million, narrowing 91.2% year-over-year. Operating cash outflow was reduced to RMB140.8 million, reflecting an improvement of 53.7% year-over-year. The financial performance was in line with our plan. Now, let’s review the major developments across our business lines in the second quarter. Net revenues from learning services were RMB643.8 million, slightly down by 5.5%, compared with the same period of last year. Digital content services maintained a healthy growth trajectory, achieving net revenues of RMB403.3 million, up 6.8% year-over-year. Operating cash inflows generated by digital content services exceeded RMB200 million. Youdao Lingshi continued to drive product upgrades and customer satisfaction. Firstly, in Q2 we released over 400 new carefully-calibrated tiered-learning videos for students of different levels. We also significantly upgraded the class-based study experience for better motivation and context. As we discussed before, Lingshi pioneered the approach of personalized pre-recorded video learning. Building upon this vast library of thousands of high-quality videos, we offer a set of important services, including automatic diagnosis of students’ current learning levels, class-based digital learning, personalized quiz generation, and week-end live consultation with our experienced staff members. These are all key to the high effectiveness of our products and we keep improving them…

Peng Su

Management

Thank you, Dr. Zhou, and hello everyone. Today I will be presenting some financial highlights from the second quarter of 2024. We encourage you to read through our press release issued earlier today for further details. For the second quarter, total net revenues were RMB1.3 billion or US$181.9 million, representing a 9.5% increase from the same period of 2023. Net revenues from our learning services were RMB643.8 million, or US$88.6 million, representing a 5.5% decrease from the same period of 2023. Net revenues from our smart devices were RMB166.7 million, or US$22.9 million, down 25% from the same period of 2023, which was mainly attributable to the decreased unit price due to the change of product mix. Net revenues from our online marketing services were RMB511.2 million, or US$70.3 million, representing a 68.4% increase from the same period of 2023. The increase was primarily due to increased sales of the performance-based advertisements through third parties’ internet properties, which was driven by our continued investments in cutting-edge AI technology. For the second quarter, our total gross profit was RMB636.8 million, or US$87.6 million, representing a 12.3% increase from the second quarter of 2023. Gross margin for learning services was 60% for the second quarter of 2024, compared with 57.4% for the same period of 2023. Gross margin for smart devices was 30.3% for the second quarter of 2024, compared with 35.8% for the same period of 2023. Gross margin for online marketing services was 39.1% for the second quarter of 2024, compared with 31.9% for the same period of 2023. For the second quarter, we reduced our total operating expenses to RMB709.3 million, or US$97.6 million, compared with RMB856.3 million for the same period of last year. Looking at our expenses in more detail: Sales and marketing expenses declined to RMB515.7…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question today will come from Brian Gong of Citi. Please go ahead.

Brian Gong

Analyst

Thanks, management, for picking that question. I have a question regarding our strategy on education sector. So as we observed, competitors are wrapping up their investment in the whole sector, right, education sector. Given the intensified competition, what is our strategy? Thank you.

Peng Su

Management

Thank you, Brian. This is Peng. I will handle the question first. And before answering the question, I will give a very quick background regarding the education scenario in China. And if you see the numbers of the candidates registered for the college entrance exam has been increased from roughly 10 million in 2019 to over 30 million in this year. It's likely to keep increasing in the next decades as well. Also the exam is getting more comparative. The overall college entrance exam scoreline has been shown as the upward trend. Taking the example as the -- in Tianjin, it has been increased by more than 70 points, compared to the 2019. So we think about the demand for the college entrance exam preparations will continue to rise. If you go back to questions, we do see the competition intensify moderately for the pre-college learning services in this year. That's understandable given the current market conditions. I believe we have the necessary means to continue to invest to be -- still be the -- keeping to the leading player here and benefit from the more dynamic markets. The first thing we do is we will still continue to drive the customer satisfaction and the retentions. We have already passed industry-leading satisfaction and retention rates. During the first-half of this year, our retention rates reached a historical high in Q2 exceeding about 70% and representing a year-over-year increase of over 10%. I think that metric is a testament to the user's recognitions of our products and services. Secondly, we think we will continue to produce outstanding learning results. As long as we had already helped the students get the good results and get into their dreaming university and school, most students will come to us and if you look at…

Brian Gong

Analyst

Yes, thank you.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Yes. Let me add a point. So I think what's the most important thing is the product. In the end, it's about how well you understand the customers and how to best satisfy the customer's needs. So we think our teams are very good at this, because Feng Zhou and its predecessor have been a long running business at Youdao. We've been doing it for 80-years already, yes. So and within the process we actually innovated several times. So the current AI plus pre-recorded video plus comprehensive service model, it was introduced in 2021. So it was a big change. But if you think about it, it really makes a lot of sense. Because for students preparing for college entrance exam, what they really lack is they lack a lot of free time. So the traditional life course format is not such a good fit. So that the team had actually been preparing for the change for a year at that time. And the market condition in 2021 pushed the team to make the leap. And that's why we've been able to grow the business several times since then. So I think that proves the innovation capability of our teams and I expect the Lingshi team to keep innovating and keep loving what they do. That is what the NetEase and Youdao culture is and what makes us good at making high quality content. Yes, so I think that's the most important thing. We'll keep improving the product and serve the customer better.

Brian Gong

Analyst

Thank you.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Thank you, [Indiscernible].

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from [Peng Zhao] (ph) of CICC. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good evening, Dr. Zhou, Feng Zhou. Thanks for taking my questions. Your online marketing business saw very strong revenue growth in the first-half of the year. Could you please tell what's the outlook of this business in second-half of the year? Thank you.

Lei Jin

Analyst

Hi, this is Lei Jin. For the second-half of the year, our outlook for online marketing services remains positive. We have seen net revenue growth significantly from around RMB200 million per quarter to over RMB500 million in Q2 of this year. This marks seventh consecutive quarters of year-over-year net revenue growth, exceeding 50%, alongside continuous improvement in profitability. We excited year-over-year revenue growth to continue through the second-half of this year. Several key factors are driving this sustainable growth. First, our robust data accumulation, advanced AI algorithms, and a deep understanding of customer demand, form the cornerstones of our long-term competitiveness. As we continuously collect and feed data into our data management platform, DMP, we achieved more accurate prediction, better decision-making, and more refined online marketing services tailored to user needs. Second, our expansion to overseas advertising has been a significant growth driver. We offer the client comprehensive and personalized international advertising services, including brand communication, global KOL marketing, overseas AD placement, and live streaming commerce. Leveraging our deep understanding of client needs, we have accelerated the development of international advertising infrastructure. By the end of Q2, our international carrier database has exceeded 7 million, a year-over-year increase of over 200%. This drops Q2 net revenue from international performance based advertising to nearly RMB100 million, a growth rate of about 30 percentage points higher than in Q1. In this second-half, we will continue to capitalize on the growing demand from Chinese companies looking to expand internationally. First thing, the sustainable development of international advertising efforts. Third, our collaboration with NetEase Group has been mutually beneficial. In Q2, Youdao data adaptation significantly improved monetization rate by over 100% of NetEase Group’s traffic. In return, NetEase Group provides us with more controllable and predictable traffic resources. Moving forward, we will keep upgrading our algorithm and the [BMP] (ph) platform to enhance our AI-driven data capabilities, improve advertising efficiency, and boost revenue. Well, we are mindful of the increasing risk of traffic computation. We are committed to receiving opportunities to assist Chinese companies in their global expansion. At the same time, leveraging our strength in customer relations, AI and the data. We are gradually establishing our own exclusive AD network. This will help for the sustainable and help development of our AD business. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question today will come from Thomas Chong of Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Thomas Chong

Analyst

Hi, good evening. Thanks management for taking my question. May I ask about AI-driven subscription services? We're actually seeing the subscription services continue to expand. What is the commercialization part for Mr. P AI Tutor? Thank you.

Feng Zhou

Management

Hi Thomas. Yes, this is Feng. The key thing here is the user scenario. In Youdao we focused a lot on user scenarios. And Mr. P serves the home learning scenario, which we believe is the number one or number two of all consumer learning scenarios for students. So it is very important and not served well by current products. So we think Mr. P fits this scenario very well. In terms of the product and our learnings and also the commercialization path, as you asked, I have several points to share. The first one is that the initial feedback for the app is very positive. The recent release of Mr. P is our -- what we call broad release for us. So in the app form factor and in the X7 and X7 Pro dictionary pens. In its first month on the market, users engaged with Mr. P AI Tutor for nearly 2 million times, ranking it actually as the second most used feature of the X7 dictionary pen only after word lookup and translation, which is kind of the basic function of the device. So it is already number two. So it surpassed the previous favorite features like Wayne and Xinjiang, so I think that proves its popularity. The second point I want to share is Mr. P is quite unique and leading product in the market in terms of functionality. It is the first all subject, that's nine in total, K-12 AI learning companion app with high-quality results. Some of our peer companies focused on one or two subjects. Others, their product doesn't yet deliver high-quality results. So, our engineering and research team has developed a key set of technologies that make Mr. P possible and are now working hard to keep improving it. Obviously, we're still…

Thomas Chong

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question today will come from Howard Ton of Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Howard Ton

Analyst

Hi, good evening and thank you for taking my question. My question is about the non-academic tutoring market. So, I'd like to know more about your company's progress in STEAM courses and whether you will accelerate investments in the future?

Peng Su

Management

Thank you. This is Peng. I will handle the questions. And in the second quarter, we made some progress in our nonacademic process. Although our language screening and logic thinking courses are in their early stage. But in terms of the gross billings, both have experienced year-over-year growth over 100%. As in English, our communication and the other skills-based training has always been the strength of as you know, and empowered by the AI, we can now provide the users with very comprehensive services and highly customer services during, before, and after classes. On the other hand, we have already had very strong faculties and high-quality content to provide excellent in-class services to the users. With the rapid development of our AI-driven subscription services, and we can also exist in the users in personalization and post-class scenario to their listening and speaking capabilities. For example, as we mentioned in the last several quarters, the higher cost allow users to engage in oral communication anytime and anywhere and generate personalized analysis report to correct the issues related to speech and grammar during the [indiscernible]. For logic thinking courses, it is highly demanded by the users. Clients always hope to that kind of through the course, I think they are children thinking abilities will continuously improved. Our products meets the needs of the parents. And additionally, when the students encounter problem after classes, as Dr. Zhou mentioned, Mr. P AI Tutors can help them to answer the questions and I think it's a different way. And we didn't just like a mentioned, semester is not directly give them the answers, but just to try to lead them to think about all the path. We think that will be the kind of innovation, and that will be really need from the family education scenario. Looking ahead, we will continue to emphasize the high-quality development of the nonacademic process. If we identify the clear opportunities, we are encoding the health and of our business. We will consider increasing the investments in the non-academic courses. Thank you.

Feng Zhou

Management

I think you need to choose which causes to provide very carefully to be successful. So, it is particularly important for nonacademic learning because they can be very wide in terms of topic. So, you can choose from a very wide set of topics. But you have to choose very, very carefully because parents, they may initially be interested in different topics. They may want to try it. But in the end, they choose the courses that's really helpful for their kids in the long term. Only those courses will become popular for the long-term. So, you need to choose comfortably. So, that's what we focus on for non-academic courses. Yes, for example, we believe Chinese literature abilities are very, very important for kids. Being able to grasp the power of language is one of the key abilities that benefits our persons of life. So, that cost has proven successful with your double in the last several years. So, we will keep improving. And also, one other thing we think that's really important is computing skills. Everyone knows that it's key for future careers. So, our competitive program, of course, Youdao Little Tooling has been running for six years. We had our first national NOI gold medalist for this year. Yes, so the key thing is that if we start some course, some non-academic course, we will make sure that we choose carefully and we want it to be successful for many years to come. Yes, so I think that's important.

Operator

Operator

Our next question today will come from Bo Zhang of Huatai Securities. Please go ahead. Hello, Zhang -- Bo Zhang, your line is open.

Bo Zhang

Analyst

Hello. Can you hear me?

Operator

Operator

Your line is live. Yes, thank you.

Bo Zhang

Analyst

Thank you, manager, for taking my question. And congratulations on the strong performance this quarter. I have a question regarding Smart Life. We saw the revenue from the smart device is still decreasing. Could you share some color on strategy for your entire document plan for the second half of the year and average offers? Thank you.

Feng Zhou

Management

For the last few quarters, we've reorganized our sales channels as we communicated in the last several quarters. We also focused our products to be, again, around our core fixed are paying category. This year, we've released four Dictionary Pens from the mid-tier X6 Pro, to flagships, X7 and X7 Pro. So, the good thing is, users have told us that they really like these new products. So, the Youdao Dictionary Pens is ranked the number one seller in the category during the June 18th Shopping Festival on JD.com for five years consecutively, reflecting their users' preference for our brand. X7 in its first month on the market, generated twice the revenue of last year's flagship X6 Pro as I just talked about during the prepared remarks. So, this good news tell us that our overall strategy of focusing on core products and channel efficiency are correct. What we need to do now is we need to continue to focus on our key products, mainly Dictionary Pens and strong sales capability and efficient channels at the same time. Another good thing is that the device business and the financial performance has improved after the refocusing. So, that set up a good foundation for the business to build on. So, here are a few more kind of points about the Dictionary Pen. The first one is about high-end products. These are our strengths. And our first large language model applications were on our high-end products. So, in July, we launched the Dictionary Pen X7 and last week, X7 Pro, both of them carry life language model features, including Mr. P and the AI translation. So, as we just shared, Mr. P is the number two most popular function. And the AI translation is also very popular. So, that's really encouraging for…

Bo Zhang

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question today will come from [Indiscernible] of CITIC. Please go ahead with your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good evening, management. Thank you for taking my question. My question is about the profit. Will we achieve profitability this year? And if so, will we be able to sustain profitability in the future? Thank you.

Wayne Li

Analyst

Thank you for your question. This is Wayne. I will take your question. We have fully committed to improving the overall health and achieving full-year positive operating income in the near future. Over the past year, we have successfully reduced operating loss on a year-over-year basis, especially in the first half of this year, where operating loss were reduced by over 90% year-over-year to approximately RMB40 million. Historical data indicates that due to seasonal factors typically higher operating income in the second half year compared to the first-half year, giving us confidence in achieving positive operating income for the full-year of 2024 despite intense competition and various uncertainties. We believe that this profitability is expected to be sustainable on a full-year basis in the future due to the following reasons. First, strong profitability in three core areas. Digital content services, online marketing services, and AI-driven region services have been identified as our key strategic focus areas. We allocate more resources to these areas, which has resulted in profitability, and we will continue to do so. Our online marketing services fueled by our RTA technology, data capability, and precise understanding of user needs have achieved over 50% year-over-year net revenue growth for seven consecutive quarters driving profitability. Through leveraging AI technology and high-quality content, our digital content services actually have improved learning efficiency and effectiveness for our users. Lingshi is a leading products and services have been pivotal in driving revenue and profit growth. AI-driven subscription services, a key aspect of our AI commercialization efforts have experienced the strong sales growth, and we have confidence in the future profitability. Second, enhanced financial performance in non-core business. For non-core business, such as smart devices and nondigital content services, we have implemented stricter health requirements, focusing on higher ROI metrics and the labor efficiency. This has resulted in a temporary decline in overall business scale but has significantly improved the health of this business and reduce the losses. Third, operational efficiency improvement through AI technology and content innovation. To achieve profitability, we are continuously striving to improve marketing efficiency through innovation and enhanced user experience through the creation of our premium learning content. We explore various innovations, such as diversified marketing channels and deleveraging advanced AI technology to optimize marketing efficiency and mitigate challenges like rising acquisition costs due to intense computation. By innovating premium content, such as our transition from traditional living stream online classes to provide content embedded with AI technology, like adaptive Question Bank, we address user concerns such as influx schedules and provide personal life learning experience. This premium content has exited strong user engagement with over 70% retention rate in Q2. In summary, our strategic focus and the innovative approaches have resulted in continued improvement in our operating margins, giving us confidence in sustained profitability of our business in the future. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question today will come from Crystal Li of China Merchant Securities. Please go ahead.

Crystal Li

Analyst

Hi, thanks management for taking my question. Congratulations on the strong results. I just want to know how should we interpret the recent opinions on promoting the high-quality development of service consumption, and particularly regarding the education and training consumption?

Peng Su

Management

Thank you .Yes, we have noted that earlier this month, the state counselors issue opinions and promoting the high-quality development of services consumptions, which emphasize the meetings of diverse and personalized learning needs of the general public and the promoting the social training institutions to enhance service quality in response to the public demands. First I think I will just to make it clear, Youdao has always consistently to embrace the policy and adhere to operating within the scope of the permitted by policies. And by now, it's still in the very early stage, and we don't know any further on the detailed information like scope and the category of the policy. First, definitely we will wait the following information related with the public regarding the detailed information. And what we can say now is about the strategy of Youdao is to consist to invest into the education sector within the AI features. And if you see the dynamic of our products, we always be innovative and have creative to create a new format of our products following the policies. We think we will keep the update on the existing product and provide new services following the instruction of the existing policy and upcoming ones. Everything that will be the consistent thing so we deliver to deliver the message regarding the policies. And we can discuss more in detail so that after we receive more information from regarding on the special policies. Thank you.

Crystal Li

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

At this time, we will conclude the question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.

Jeffrey Wang

Management

Thank you again for joining us today. If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us at Youdao directly or reach out to Piacente Financial Communications in China or the U.S. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation, and you may now disconnect.