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Youdao, Inc. (DAO)

Q3 2021 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 16, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Youdao 2021 Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Jeffrey Wang, Investor Relations Director of Youdao. Please go ahead, sir.

Jeffrey Wang

Management

Thank you, operator. Please note the discussion today will contain forward-looking statements related to future performance of the company, which are intended to qualify for the safe harbor from liability as established by the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. Such statements are not guarantees of the future performance and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, assumptions and other factors. Some of these risks are beyond the company's control and could cause actual results to differ materially from those mentioned in today's press release and this discussion. A general discussion of the risk factors that could affect Youdao's business and financial results is included in the certain filings of the company with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The company does not undertake any obligation to update these forward-looking information, except as required by law. During today's call, management will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures for comparison purpose only. For the definitions of non-GAAP financial measures and reconciliations of the non-GAAP -- of GAAP to non-GAAP financial results please see the 2021 third quarter financial results news release issued earlier today. As a reminder, please -- that the conference is being recorded. Besides, a webcast replay of this conference call will be available on Youdao's corporate website at ir.youdao.com. Joining us today on the call from Youdao's senior management is Dr. Feng Zhou, our Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Lei Jin, VP of Operations, Mr. Peng Su, our VP of Strategy and Capital Markets; and Mr. Wayne Li, our VP of Finance. I will now turn the call over to Dr. Zhou to review some of our recent highlights and strategic direction.

Feng Zhou

Management

Thank you, Jeffrey, and thank you all for participating in today's call. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that all numbers are based on renminbi. The third quarter was a good quarter for us with some development of our non-tutoring business. With the announcements of sweeping industry changes in late July, we quickly evaluated our business and set out steps to better align with the PRC's latest regulations. On September 30, we anticipated to terminate and announced the plan to dispose of the after-school tutoring services for academic subjects included in China's compulsory education system and applied to the competent local governments to approve the proposed disposal. We expect the disposal to be completed by the end of 2021, subject to regulatory approval. There can be no assurance regarding the ultimate timing or that the transaction will be complete. Due to the execution of the double reduction policy, gross billings from academic subjects included in China's compulsories educating system decreased by approximately 70% year-over-year in the third quarter. Gross billings, including adult courses decreased by 33.9% year-over-year to RMB631 million in the third quarter. Total net revenues for the third quarter were RMB1.4 billion, representing a 54% increase year-over-year, with approximately 25% of our total revenue derived from academic tutoring for compulsory education. Operating loss decreased significantly to RMB129 million, and the operating loss margin was 9.3%, a sharp narrowing compared with 99% for the same period of last year. As we mentioned in the last call, learning products, adult in vocational courses, STEAM courses and education digitization solutions are the 4 core pillars for our future growth. Now let me walk you through the progress of each segment. First, our learning products segment maintained strong growth momentum. Q3 learning product revenue reached a record RMB254 million,…

Peng Su

Management

Thank you, Dr. Zhou and hello, everyone. Today, I will be presenting some financial highlights from our 2021 third quarter. We encourage you to read through our press release issued earlier today for further details. As for tutoring service, gross billing and paid student enrollments decreased due to the execution of the double reduction policy. Gross billing from academic subjects included in China compulsory education system decreased by approximately 70% year-over-year in the third quarter. Total gross billing, including adult courses decreased by 33.9% year-over-year to RMB631.6 million in the third quarter. Paid student enrollments included in China's compulsory education system decreased by approximately 70% year-over-year in the third quarter as well. Total paid enrollment, including adult courses for premium courses decreased by 40.9% year-over-year. Paid student enrollment from our K-12 and adult segments account for 64% and 36% of the paid student enrollments for premium courses, respectively. For the third quarter, total net revenue reached a record RMB1.4 billion or USD 215.3 million. This represents an increase of 54.8% from the third quarter of 2020. Looking at this growth by segment. Net revenue from our learning services were RMB995.7 million or USD 154.5 million, up 65.9% from the same period in 2020. We attribute this growth to the increased revenue generated from our tutoring services, which were further driven by the growth in paid student enrollments during the period in the second quarter of 2021. Net revenue from our learning products were RMB254.5 million or USD 39.5 million, up 56% from the same period in 2020, driven by the substantial increase in sales volume of Youdao Dictionary Pen. Net revenue from our online marketing services were RMB137 million, or USD 25.3 million, representing a 3.4% increase from the same period in 2020. For the third quarter, our total gross…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. The first question comes from the line of Zhong Sheng of Morgan Stanley.

Zhong Sheng

Analyst

And congratulations for the good result. So like I said, after the double reduction, I think all the eyes are on the potential of the non K-12 business. And I would like to start my question from the learning devices. Can you please give more color on the learning devices sales momentum? And what's the product pipeline and any management target for the learning devices next year? And also, Q3 we see the gross margin of learning devices is a bit lower than last quarter. Any particular reason for this? And what is the normalized margin should be for the learning devices?

Feng Zhou

Management

Thank you, Sheng, for the question. Yes, this is Feng Zhou. Yes, learning products revenue comes in at RMB255 million. Yes, so it's 56% year-over-year growth. So we're happy with it. Yes, so it is positively impacted by new product launches like the people's education, Dictionary Pen, in collaboration with people's education. It is negatively impacted by COVID episodes in August and September. Yes, so within the quarter, September sales were the strongest in Q3. So this is the start of the new school year and September, started this new school year. And parents and students, they shop for new learning gears. So our lineup of products this year turned out to be performing very well despite more competition. Last year, we didn't have any competition. This year, we have more competition. And despite the COVID episodes. So more recently, last Thursday was the conclusion of [indiscernible] shopping festival. Yes, so our learning devices sales were up 57% compared to 2020 is [indiscernible]. Yes, so we have been the leading electronic dictionary seller for 3 consecutive years on the JD platform. The -- talking about new products. So the People's Education Dictionary Pen was released on September 1. And it includes the full text and the audio materials on all the official elementary school English textbooks. So this is -- as we said, this is the number 1 feature for the Dictionary Pen since the Dictionary Pens release. So now finally, the students can enjoy a more convenient and economical textbook experience. And we also have another new product, the Youdao listening part, it is also released in Q3. Let me talk a little bit about its performance. So it is our first new product, new category product since 2020. It focuses on enhancing students, English listening and also speaking…

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Brian Gong of Citibank. The next question is from Yuzhong Gao of CICC.

Yuzhong Gao

Analyst

Following the government's opinion, many other leading AST companies also plan to transform their business to STEM courses such as coding or [indiscernible], et cetera, in the future. So what do you think about the competition in this sector? And what is our competitive advantage?

Feng Zhou

Management

Yes, this is Zhou Feng. Yes. So STEM courses or STEAM courses, yes. So it's -- a lot of companies are focusing on this segment now. Yes. So I can share with you several thinking's we have right now in terms of competition. Yes. So first is, we always try to focus on large verticals that we really think we have a competitive advantage. So STEM and STEAM, they -- they are actually quite large areas, segments. Yes. So when we talk about STEM or STEAM courses, we're actually talking about a specific vertical. So for example, so a lot of people ask us, why do we focus on Weiqi? Yes. So when we start doing in -- starting -- doing the Weiqi cause, it's a very small area. So not a lot of people pay attention to it. But if you look at how many people are actually interested in learning Weiqi and why they actually have a hard time learning it themselves, then you can understand that it is a good choice for online courses. So for example, according to the President of the Chinese Weiqi Association, there are over 60 million Weiqi players in China. And every year, 3 million new learners actually go about learning Weiqi. So we think it's -- it potentially has a lot of users, and it is hard actually for people to learn Weiqi by themselves because it's a hard game. So in Q3, so Weiqi revenue grew 30% sequentially. So we so we think we chose the right product. So we expect it to continue to grow quickly. Yes. So first, we focus on large verticals, potentially large verticals. Yes. So the second one, principle we have is that we think quality and depth are key for kind of long-lasting and…

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Thomas Chong of Jefferies.

Thomas Chong

Analyst

And first question regarding our adult education, can management comments about our strategies in the competition as well as our competitive edge in this segment?

Peng Su

Management

And I will handle your questions and the first I will probably ask your second question first. And I think it's about the intensive competitive landscape. And yes, indeed, because of the regulation change, more and more players enter into the adult education business, enter into the education business. But we just have -- we just want to highlight for these [indiscernible] because we are not start our business just now. And we have already set our business back to the 2016 when we start our education business. We restart our business from our that's China English test Level 4 and Level 6 test for the education business started in [indiscernible]. So we think about we have already collected a lot of the cumulative experience about how to operate our business and how to build up the high-quality online process content for that for the adult education for different SKU. Especially, we very successfully built up the SKU for the English education as well as for the Extraordinary Memory courses for the adults. So we think in the long run, we will -- definitely, we will be followed with our experience to how we build up the content and how we operate about those success for courses for the adults and to offer more content and services to the adult -- for their upcoming needs in the long run. And also, in addition, we think we strengthen our planning to investment in the [indiscernible] training as well and especially in the third quarter -- after quarters and before there's a lot of support from the different level of government to encourage all the investments as well as more resources into the this sector helps us to promote about that vocational education in China. So we think about there's some great potential for this area. So we think about that very bright futures for this business. And so go back to your first question about the progress on our courses. Yes, we are, right now, we are in good of our SKU pipeline, and we expect the size of our English courses and also our extraordinary courses, we expect to offer more vocational training, especially for the IT training and also the other cases in the next few quarters. We expect to share more information with you. And when I get closed. I hope that will answer your question.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Candis Chan of Daiwa.

Candis Chan

Analyst

And my question is about the education, digitalization. Can you share the progress in this business? And also, will you further increase the investments in this segment? And finally, may I ask one more question is about who are the key competitors in this area?

Lei Jin

Analyst

We believe that it's a huge potential for digitization solutions. Talking to the [indiscernible] market size is over RMB650 billion in 2023. And we build the new team intelligence education department in our company, which should be targeted to fee development of patient digitalization solutions. The policy in companies with advantaged technology to help [indiscernible] and the public schools to establish the education. Youdao have AI and related technology, hardware design and integration experience and digital content accretion ability. And we have a deep understanding of education. Therefore, we believe we have advantage to meet the demand of education transfer building. In this quarter, we launched the Youdao smart learning device learning terminal 2. This is first to create a high-speed scanning and high-speed printing 2-in-1 functions. With Big data, AI and other technologies, effectively create teaching Lu that spans before after class to comprehensively contact the data in daily teaching percent through the hardware, software and content opportunity of within data collection analysis, we achieved a targeted teaching and [indiscernible] with data intelligence and help indicators and don't learn more effectively and efficiency using our technology.

Peng Su

Management

Yes. Let me add a few words on the position. So education digitalization solutions. So this is a quite large area. So $400 billion to $500 billion kind of total market as there are not actually companies doing this. So more traditional companies doing this for a longer time, not necessarily traditional. Companies doing this for a longer time. These include [indiscernible] And there are also new companies entering the space, including more familiar names like by dense and Tencent. Yes. So a lot of companies are interested in doing this, but we think we have been doing education products for a long time, and we can combine -- as our product has shown, we combine hardware, artificial intelligence and education content. So we think we can have a different way of doing these products in a better way.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. The next question is from [indiscernible] of Macquarie.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

My question is about the spinning off of the [indiscernible] business. What is the progress of it? And how -- what do you project it's all finished in more specific time? And my second question is how about the business license application, what is progress of that?

Jeffrey Wang

Management

This is Wang. I will take your question. We are still in the process of disposing our academic SD business or business for commentary education. As mentioned in our revenues from our [indiscernible] business accounted for approximately 25% of our total revenues in the third quarter. Up to now, the government authority is actively accessing on the material-related to the business license application for the nonprofit organization. But there's still no clear timetable on this. We will continue to work constructively with the government authority in connection with the proposed deal and still expect business to be disposed of the terminated by the end of this year. As disclosed in our official announcement on September 30 for the earnings base this time. We reminded all of you again that there is no any assurance regarding the ultimate timing of the proposed deal or that the transaction will be completed. We will update the status of the deal or the data of business license application to the market, if any material process was made.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Brian Gong of Citibank.

Brian Gong

Analyst

I'm very sorry about the technical area just happened earlier. And my question is that it has been a few months since we proposed on some new directions on the business, which includes other education, STE, AM courses and also smart devices. So can management give us some update on the latest progress and whether there are any modifications to our new strategies?

Feng Zhou

Management

Yes. So you're asking about the -- whether there's any change to the new strategy after double reduction?

Brian Gong

Analyst

Yes.

Feng Zhou

Management

Yes. So -- let me talk about a few key things. Yes. So yes. The short answer is that we think we have the right strategy, and we are executing it, and we are making good progress. And yes, let me talk about a few things about actually more thinking about the 4 pillar, what we call the 4-pillar strategy. So the first point I want to make is that our business always will have a strong core. That is the AI and learning content creation. Yes. So we talk about the 4 directions for businesses. But it's actually centered around a single core. The core is artificial intelligence and learning content. So around this call, we have built these 4 different products or services. And right now, we think about whether we want to -- we thought about whether we want to focus on one of them or 2 of them. But we do think that all of them represent good growth opportunities. And we will put efforts into each of them right now. And down the road, we may find that one of them is more -- is so compelling that we will just focus on that. That could be the case. But now we think this is a good setup for us. So the second point I want to make is that the importance of good products. So I've always had the view that if you can build one differentiated focused product that solves a lot of people's, then you can already build a very strong business around the product. So product progress is key for future growth of our business. Yes. So at this particular time, when some of these 2 4 businesses are relatively small in scale. So it is more important to actually look…

Operator

Operator

And that concludes the Question-and-Answer Session. I would like to turn the conference back over to the management for any additional or closing comments.

Jeffrey Wang

Management

Thank you once again for joining us today. If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us at Youdao directly or reach out to TPG Investor Relations in China or the U.S., have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining. The conference is now over. You may disconnect your telephones. Thank you.