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CoreCivic, Inc. (CXW)

Q4 2016 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 9, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good Morning. My name is Catherine, and I will be your conference operator. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. At this time, I’d like to welcome you to the CoreCivic’s Fourth Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to avoid any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session [Operator instruction]. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Cameron Hopewell, CoreCivic’s Managing Director of Investor Relations. Mr. Hopewell, you may now begin your conference.

Cameron Hopewell

Management

Thanks, Catherine. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us. Participating on today’s call are Damon Hininger, President and Chief Executive Officer; and David Garfinkle, Chief Financial Officer. During today’s call, our remarks will include forward-looking statements pursuant to the Safe-Harbor provisions of the Private Securities and Litigation Reform Act. Our actual results or trends may differ materially as a result of a variety of factors, including those identified in our fourth quarter of 2016 earnings release and in our Securities and Exchange Commission filings, including Forms 10-K, 10-Q and 8-K reports. You are also cautioned that any forward-looking statements reflect management’s current views only, and that the Company undertakes no obligation to revise or update such statements in the future. This call will include a discussion of non-GAAP measures. A reconciliation of the most comparable GAAP measurements is provided in our corresponding earnings release, and included in the supplemental financial data on the Investors page of our Web site at www.cca.com. With that, it’s my pleasure to turn the call over to our President and CEO, Damon Hininger.

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

Thank you, Cameron, and good morning and thank you to everyone for joining our call today. Also joining us here in the room is our Vice President of Finance, Brian Hammonds. 2016 was an extremely busy and successful year for CoreCivic, and I’m so proud of our entire team for helping to make that possible by continuing to provide outstanding service and high quality operations across each of our facilities. During the year, we were awarded, or commenced, six new contracts, representing care capacity for over 7,500 people in addition to closing on the acquisitions of eight residential reentry facilities. At the onset of the year, we began operations at our newly constructed Trousdale Turner Correctional Center on behalf of the State of Tennessee, which has the capacity to provide safe housing and reentry program into 2,500 individuals. In May, we entered into a new five year lease agreement with the State of Oklahoma, for our 2,400 person care capacity, North Fork Correctional Facility, which represents the second large scale correctional facility owned by CoreCivic to be leased by a state customer. In July, we entered into a new contract with the state of California to provide residential reentry services for 120 people at our CAI Boston Avenue facility. We entered into two new contracts with Immigration and Customs Enforcement, 1,100 person care capacity contract at our Cibola County Correctional Center in October, and a contract at our Northeast Ohio Correctional Center to provide safe, humane and appropriate housing for approximately 500 ICE detainees in December. Also in December, we completed the expansion of our Red Rock Correctional Center to accommodate a new contract with the state of Arizona that was awarded in 2015, which has care capacity for 1,000 people. Late in the year, we formally announced our intention…

David Garfinkle

Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Damon, and good morning, everyone. In the fourth quarter, we generated $0.52 of earnings per share compared to our guidance range of $0.42 to $0.43, and $0.09 ahead of consensus estimates. FFO totaled $0.72 per share compared to our guidance range of $0.61 to $0.62 and $0.10 ahead of consensus estimates. AFFO totaled $0.65 per share ahead of our prior guidance range of $0.55 to $0.56. Although, we performed better than our forecast in a number of operating expense categories, per share results exceeded expectations, largely due to stronger revenue driven by higher-than-anticipated inmate populations, particularly from Immigration and Customs Enforcement. As we discussed in our conference calls, the past two quarters, ICE populations were elevated early in the year and increased sequentially each quarter during 2016, accelerating during the third quarter and even more so in the fourth quarter. Notably, these increases occurred well before the outcome of the presidential election was determined. Adjusted EPS of $0.52 was 21% higher than the prior year quarter of $0.43, while normalized FFO per share and AFFO per share increased by 14% and 12% respectively from the prior year quarter. The most significant factors affecting fourth quarter results compared with the prior year quarter, include; the activation of our Trousdale Turner Correctional Facility for the State of Tennessee in January 2016; a new lease with the state of Oklahoma at our North Fork Correctional Center effective in May 2016; higher populations from ICE at several facilities, most notably along the Southwest border; and acquisitions totaling $200 million or 19 residential reentry centers from the beginning of the fourth quarter of 2015 through the end of 2016. The positive impact of these events was partially offset by the previously disclosed renegotiation and extension of the contract for the South Texas Family…

Operator

Operator

Thank you [Operator Instructions]. Our first question will come from Tobey Sommer with SunTrust.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst · SunTrust

My first question is how might the business and the mix look different in 24, 36 months in terms of its diversification? Thank you.

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

Good morning, Tobey, this is Damon. Appreciate your question. I think that the next 24 months, we could see meaningful movement on one front. We’ve already had a lot of progress on the other front. So, the CoreCivic Community, as you know over the last three years, we’ve gone from zero facilities now to 26 with the acquisition we disclosed last month. And what we’ve tried to convey to investors is that our goal is to do about $20 million, $25 million a quarter. So, during the course of the year, we could close on three or four transactions. So, it is the effort on the Company’s behalf is that we’re going to try to continue down that path over the next 24 months. That gives you a view to what that looks like over the next couple of years. On the CoreCivic Properties it's harder to look, give little more definition there. I’m very optimistic that we will close, or at least sign a contract, I should say, on a new development project. So, as you know, we’ve gotten a lease in California City, California. With California they operated we lease it to them, and of course, Oklahoma. But we have not closed on opportunity where we’re developing a brand new facility in the CoreCivic Properties portfolio. And we’ve got about seven jurisdictions that we’re talking to right now that are very intrigued by this idea where we can come in and build a new facility, let me say, next door to an existing facility and replaces the old outdated facility, and get some efficiencies, both from staffing and other costs. So, that’s a little hard to predict to what that looks like in two years. I think if we get one or two of those across the finish line new development projects, then I think we could see substantial demand from large jurisdictions from the federal state and the local level.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst · SunTrust

Thank you. And then it’s been a while since we’ve seen idle capacity decline substantially. But could you remind us, if some of these conversations turn into contracts and soak-up a decent proportion of your idle capacity. What is the corresponding impact been on the pricing environment and per diems? Thanks.

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

From a historical perspective, if you look at 2002 to 2007, I think during that period of time of that five-six years we went from utilization I think, in the mid-80s and to almost 95%, 96% utilization. And during that period of time, I remember that we did see some improvement on pricing, either for existing contracts or up for renewal or new contracts. So it would be my expectation that we would have the same dynamic. If we were successful to your points on the nine idle of facilities, and I’d say probably six or seven of them we’ve actually have active conversations going on for that capacity that you’d see a similar dynamic over a period of time on the pricing front.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst · SunTrust

And then my last question is when we look at the margin profile of the Company, do you think that that changes materially or kind of over the medium term? How should we think about the Company’s margins over the next few years? Thanks.

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

I’d say over the next few years, it’s going to be pretty consistent. We’ll see maybe a little from here and there. But since we’ve got some utilization capacity and we can increase occupancy of the facilities that are maybe half of 75% current occupancy. But that could improve a little bit on the margins, overall, for the Company. If we continue down the path, like I said on CoreCivic properties, real-estate only solutions where we’re just leasing. And so we don't have a lot of surface flowing through the agreement, and those would be higher margins. And over time, that obviously will impact the overall enterprise. But in the near-term, I’d say that we’re going to be pretty consistent where they’re at today.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst · SunTrust

One other question I wanted to ask if I could sneak one in. If ICE starts to enforce border protection in more strictly, could you refresh me on the potential implications on detainee and inmate populations for all three federal customers? Thank you.

David Garfinkle

Chief Financial Officer

Tobey, I think, I’m following your question, in addition to ICE and what potential happens with more enforcement on the Southwest border, which we’ve talked about already. What impact would that have with the Marshal Service and Bureau Prisons, is that your question?

Tobey Sommer

Analyst · SunTrust

Yes, correct. The relationship, between and among, those agencies by such an action…

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

So historically, if there is more effort on the Southwest border on detainees that typically are in the custody of ICE if they have, say, several federal offenses, not only coming in the country illegally, but if they have been smuggling drugs or they are smuggling any fire alarms, then it could be the case then they do would turn their custody over to the Marshal Service. So to your point, it could have an impact, if there’s more effort of the Southwest border, which our indication there is, there could be impact on the Marshal Service. And then over a period of time, that also would have an impact on the Federal Bureau of Prisons. I’ve been -- I heard a recent number of days, but I think in the Federal Bureau of Prisons, the number of criminal aliens, I think, is in the range of about probably 30,000, maybe a little higher. So, it’s not the majority of the population. But it’s a meaningful amount of overall population. So, if you do see more effort by ICE and that’s the same impact to the Marshals, then that could increase the need out of your prison for additional criminal alien capacity.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And we’ll continue on to Michael Kodesch with Canaccord Genuity.

Michael Kodesch

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity

I guess, so I’m just starting with guidance. Dave, you gave a lot of good color on how you built those guidance assumptions. But just help us bridge the gap year between your previously announced range and the new one. I mean, you guys beat by $9 million or so in the quarter on your guidance range. The midpoint of guidance, 2017 went up by $1 million. For the most part, it sounds like you guys have -- you’re assuming were occupancy, I meant ICE. There’s some substantial cost saves in the quarter. I guess, just help us kind of bridge -- and then also the lower -- the high-end of the range actually came down. So, just walk us through maybe what your thought is there and some of the underlying assumptions that might have changed? Thanks.

David Garfinkle

Chief Financial Officer

The major changes from the last guidance we have were I guess, on the upside, or obviously on the downside. The downside, we had about $0.03 decline for slower ramp at our Cibola facility. So, they are around 400, I think, detainees today. And we had expected them to be higher at this point in the year. And so, that ramp is going a little bit slower than we expected. California populations, as I mentioned in my remarks, we are assuming lower populations in the fourth quarter, that’s about a penny drag. And then mostly offsetting and more than offsetting those are higher detainee populations from ICE; so on the upside, you’ve got higher ICE populations, as well as we’re expecting higher populations from Hawaii. There’s a small -- and that’s on the EBITDA line. We did increase our forecast for lower depreciation and income taxes as well for a couple of pennies.

Michael Kodesch

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity

Anything else on the expense side, maybe that was -- maybe outside of savings in 4Q that we’re not going to see continue in 2017?

David Garfinkle

Chief Financial Officer

No, I guess, what I’d say with respect to the expense savings, we did beat the forecast on expenses. But our revenues increased more than our expenses increase. As you’re getting those last inmate populations or detainee populations, and those are higher-margin populations, the offset occurs when you’re declining population. So I’d say most of the expense beat is results in higher margins, because of the revenues exceeding the incremental expenses as you got fixed cost already in place.

Michael Kodesch

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity

My next question, I guess, is on the BOP trends that we’ve been seeing. We’ve actually been seeing them reverse. They decelerated at the end of the year, but then they’re starting to go back up again. And I think you guys mentioned specifically with regards to family and minor apprehensions increasing. Has the BOP approached you guys at all about additional family residential capacity and what would be your appetite for that?

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

Michael, to make sure I'm following your question. You mentioned the BOP. Are you referring actually to ICE?

Michael Kodesch

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity

Yes, ICE, apologies…

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

So, we have not. We’ve had a lot of conversations with ICE on just general detention needs around the country. We haven’t had a recent conversation with them about additional needs for families. Of course, we’re well suited if there is an increased need, we can accommodate that. We’re seeing through some existing capacity we’ve got in our system, or may be new capacity. But haven’t had any recent conversations, specifically with families but a lot of conversations that relates to detention capacity overall.

Michael Kodesch

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity

And then in terms of your residential reentry, it sounds like you guys will be maybe a little bit more aggressive going forward. Maybe just considering where things are today. Could you talk a little bit about the pipeline that you guys have and what the opportunity is there?

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

So right now, I’d say we’ve got on our list, probably about dozen companies and each company has one, maybe a couple of facilities, in a certain location that would be interesting to us that we could either tuck-in into an existing part of the portfolio, operationally or maybe gets our foot in the market that we’re currently not in. And so, I would go back to the goal we have is one a quarter. And again, the size of those per quarter again is not going to be perfect, because each one is a little different relative to size and operations. But $20 million to $25 million a quarter, we think is a pretty good marker for investors to think about.

Michael Kodesch

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity

And then just one more, if I could, sneak one last one in here. Saw an article the other day regarding Kansas', the State of Kansas’ interest in a potential sale-leaseback. Wanted to get your guidance idea of like whether or not you’d participate in something like that, and what your level of interest is there?

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

We would be interested and we want to see, of course, what the actual RFP is. But I think if it’s consistent with what we’ve been talking about, which is a opportunity for us and a CoreCivic property portfolio that come in do a new facility, replace their old facility, then I think that would be something of interest to us.

Michael Kodesch

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity

And then the time line on the RFP you guys think?

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

The article I saw said that may get it out, I think, in the next 30 maybe 60 days. And of course, don’t know exactly the timing of how long they'll give on their evaluation. But sounds like in a couple of months.

Operator

Operator

And we’ll continue on to Kevin McClure with Wells Fargo.

Kevin McClure

Analyst

I wanted to drill down on your business and a lot of talk because everyone is so interested in immigration; U.S. Marshals. How many U.S. attorney positions do you estimate are currently vacant across the country? How quickly you think those positions can be filled? And then to follow on that, if filling those positions results in more prosecutions, what’s the potential upside for your U.S. Marshal business? Thanks

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

Thank you for your question, this is Damon again. There is approximately 90, 94 or 95, U.S. attorney positions around the country. I do not have the good estimate on how many are currently vacant. I have seen a lot of articles indicating that nominations are moving forward, people are being identified for different positions around the country. So, it sounds like that process is off and running. And I think that now that -- now attorney general sessions who got confirmed last night, I think that’ll be probably one of the top things on his list, and his staffs list to go ahead and get those through the confirmation process. They’ve got a lot to do, not only for the U.S. attorneys there’s also U.S. Marshals that they have to appoint, again about same number about 93, 94, I don’t have a good number as it relates to how many are vacant. But again, I have seen on that front also a lot of names have been move forward by those respective senators and those respective districts for consideration by the Department of Justice and also the administration. I think your last part of your question is that once all those positions get filled, they get settled, likely there are probably some vacancies below the U.S. attorney, the deputy and U.S. attorneys in those offices, or probably some vacancies there. I think once that all gets filled and again my sense is that there’s going to be a pretty high priority to do that quickly, then I think you could see renewed activity all around the country, not just on the Southwest border once those get stacked up.

Kevin McClure

Analyst

Got it. And then, one housekeeping item for me. How much cash rent do you expect to receive in 2017 related to the North Fork lease? If I recall correctly, the rent, the cash rent phased in over five years, there was no cash flow impact in year one, but I'm wondering what effect will be in 2017 ex?

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

I’ll have to double check that, but I think it’s between -- it’s around $4.5 million of cash rent in 2017.

Kevin McClure

Analyst

Got it. And would you expect to -- you mentioned that North Fork could be a template for the Diamondback discussion. Would you expect kind of a similar structure with that lease?

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

Well, I think it’s early on in the discussions with Oklahoma, so it’d be hard to say. But it would probably be a good model for us to follow. They’ve gotten comfortable with it, we’ve gotten comfortable with it. We think it’s a good solution for them long term.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jordan Hymowitz with Philadelphia Financial.

Jordan Hymowitz

Analyst · Philadelphia Financial

Hi, guys. Thanks for great quarter. I was just wondering, if I try and add up all the contracts that you’re currently bidding on, forgetting acquisitions, it seems like FFO could be increased by another $0.70 to $1. Is that out of the range if everything you’re bidding on closes, not that it will, and excluding acquisitions?

David Garfinkle

Chief Financial Officer

Yes. Hey Jordan, it's Dave. I think on an annual basis, we’ve got an investor presentation that kind of mathematically calculates the impact on FFO per share, if we were to fill all of our idle beds at margins that we -- the average margin for the facility that's around $1 per share. I think as you look at the opportunities and the idle capacity we have, I wouldn't assume that they're all going to be as high as the average, given the locations, who the potential customer would be. So yes, I think your number is too far off. And that would be obviously on a full year basis after start up, and you’re into a normalized results.

Jordan Hymowitz

Analyst · Philadelphia Financial

Super. And my other question is, is there any talk at this point about -- you mentioned GEDs, but it wasn’t that long ago that prisons were actually workplaces as well. And is there any talk of that anymore at this point from anyone in the Trump administration? Are you suited for that and could that potentially work into something, I mean, forgetting GEDs, if we could teach people how to be welders or more -- because the unions have stopped enabling some commercial utilizations that used to happen?

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

Yes. Great question and the short answer is there has been good conversation at the state level for several years. And I suspect there are probably going to be some conversation at the federal level. Again, we are through a transition where you just got Attorney General sworn in last night. And we are still waiting for the appointment of the Director for the Federal Bureau of Prisons. So, more to come on that front. But, I’d go back to Georgia. So, the facilities that I mentioned earlier that just -- we just cut the ribbon on, two very nice program buildings that are split in half, one side is going to be a welding program, so teach individuals to be certified as a welder, and then the other site going to teach them to be familiar with auto diesel repair. Those are going to be great, great programs. And those programs, as you know, have been talked about a lot, not just in correctional systems, but there really is a dire need for people that have those skills and special training for those types of locations. So, the state opportunity has been there. And I would say it’s actually picking up where partnering states say, okay, what is your needs labor-wise within respective states, need more welders, we can help you there. We build this program space, we’ll get them certified and help you with that gap in your labor market. So that conversation has I’d say escalated on state level and my suspicion is, it’s probably going to be picking up on the federal level. The last thing, which I think is part of your question is that there has been historically at the state and federal level, partnering with facilities where you may have an outside employer or manufacturer or some type of other industry where they partner with facility, and they stand and maybe products are different, materials [ph] and to the facility and allow the inmates to repair or build whatever that product is. That’s kind of gone in and out of favor over the last decade. But I’d say there are sometimes, Arizona is probably one of them, it’s notable, there are some times where the states want to explore that and our reaction and our responses absolutely, we’d love to have an opportunity to partner with say an outside company that’s looking for a specialized service that may be can’t be done in another location in the country. It’s a good service for the inmates and it’s also helpful for the state and also whoever the outside company is. So, again, that’s been kind of hit and miss over the last 10 years, but if there’s a conversation and need, then we’ll always open that conversation.

Jordan Hymowitz

Analyst · Philadelphia Financial

And it seems like that’s at least going a little more potential, is that the fair word now?

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

Yes, I’d say so. Yes, I’d say so, a little more potential. And I’d say that’s right just because it's another nice part of the overall discussion nationally about criminal justice reform. And again, if you can help an individual with that type of program, be better prepared for release, and that’s a nice way to do that. So, yes, I’d say that conversation’s been picking up a little bit.

David Garfinkle

Chief Financial Officer

Jordan, just one point of clarification on the number you threw out. My number was including all beds, not just idle capacity, but where we have occupancy...

Jordan Hymowitz

Analyst · Philadelphia Financial

Okay. I have a follow-up but I’ll go back into queue.

Operator

Operator

And we have a follow-up from Michael Kodesch with Canaccord Genuity.

Michael Kodesch

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity

Hey. Thanks again, guys. Just kind of talking a little bit about some of the opportunities in RFPs that went silent as we approach the election. I was wondering if conversations have picked up again on the Ohio state prison sale, Hamilton County RFP, I knew Alabama is also out there with trying to address the three mega prison deal again. Have you guys heard anything on that, and any updated timelines for some of those?

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

Yes, great question. So on Ohio, the sale of a government owned asset; that has gone silent; we haven’t really seen any activity on that since before the election. Not to say, it picked up again this year again. Again, I think the most pressing thing that you’ve heard us talk about and also talk about publicly with the state of Ohio is additional capacity need quickly. And again, we think we are well suited with our facility up in the Youngstown, Ohio. Nothing really to add on Alabama. There has been a lot of conversation about up to $1 billion they need to deploy for new facilities to replace old integrated facilities. Again, the CoreCivic property solution that we have been shows that demonstrates real value in Oklahoma, California, we think that could be an option as I think about kind of the alternatives in the state of Alabama. And then finally, Hamilton County, it is, as we see it, really under active consideration. They have had bids received, and we’ve had a fair amount of back and forth on clarifications on our proposal. So, we haven’t really gone the clear sense on their action on that procurement. But my suspicion is that probably sometime this summer is when they act on it.

Michael Kodesch

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity

Great. That’s really helpful color. And then, just one more on the list. The Houston ICE RFP or the rebid, has there been any progress on that, has that changed at all considering ICE’s recent needs, what have you guys been seeing there?

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

Yes. No real action, really since before the election. I think that’s just naturally because of the transition and new leadership both with the sector home security, and then they’re also moving forward on trying to find a new assistant secretary that will lead ICE. But I think all that transition has probably put a lot of hold on lot of procurement activity. Houston, we think, is very, very compelling, it’s a great occasion, it’s really big hub for a lot of ICE operations where they consolidate a lot of their resources in that location around the kind of mid to southeast sector of the country. And so, we think the capacity there is going to be very compelling, very attractive as they evaluate the proposal. So, my hope is probably the next, probably next 30 days, maybe 60, we will get some clarity on the timing, but we think we are really, really well positioned there; it’s a great facility, got a great track record and a good location strategically.

Operator

Operator

And we have a follow-up from Jordan Hymowitz with Philadelphia Financial.

Jordan Hymowitz

Analyst · Philadelphia Financial

I don’t know if you know about the Treatment Advocacy Center recently put a very good note, report card of bed instead that talks about the decline in psychiatric beds in this country since 1950. And I’m sure you all know, there’s a huge and increasing amount of psychiatric patients in jails. With the recent passage of the Murphy Bill at the end of the year, is there some possibility for partnerships, new business ventures in some ways to start segregating that population better or getting them the help they need in other ways and start segmenting your population?

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

Short answer is absolutely. We have great partnerships with several other providers that really provide that type of specialty care for those unique mission facilities. And we haven’t really talked about it much in this form, but we do know that some of our partners who, again, are very specialized, have great track records of providing this very unique service for these type of populations, since it’s mental health or medical facilities, dealing with chronic care. What we’ve said to them is that they should go after that business kind of full steam ahead and we could be good partner for them on the real estate side and provide a CoreCivic Properties solution where we’d be the owner, lease it to them as the source provider and then they would have the contract directly with the jurisdiction, if that’s the state or at the local level. So yes, there’s a lot of -- but I would say lot of interest right now to your point on filling a lot of those gaps where there’s needs and some not only local jurisdictions but also the state level.

Jordan Hymowitz

Analyst · Philadelphia Financial

And one quick follow-on that. Do you think there’s any chance that we start -- any chance is a poor term but is there some chance that we start constructing psychiatric facilities again because no one has been built for at least 20 years at this point?

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

Yes. What I know today, and again, talking to some of our strategic partners who are doing these type of services, there’s a fair amount of activity going on around the country; it’s not just one location, it’s kind of all over the country. So yes, I think there’s a good chance where you see maybe those types of facilities really moving forward, you see the jurisdiction moving forward to go ahead and work with the provider, and then again, we could be the real estate partner on those type of facilities.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And with no additional questions, I’d like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Damon Hininger. Please go ahead, sir.

Damon Hininger

President and CEO

Thanks so much. And thank you for everybody on the call for your time and attention today, more importantly to our investors, really thank you so much for your investment in CoreCivic. As you could tell, your management team is focused on executing on another good quarter and strong year, and we look forward to reporting on our progress during the course of this year. Thank you again for calling in.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, again, that does conclude today’s conference. Thank you all again for your participation.