Earnings Labs

CEMEX, S.A.B. de C.V. (CX)

Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Fri, Oct 25, 2019

$12.17

-0.65%

Key Takeaways · AI generated
AI summary not yet generated for this transcript. Generation in progress for older transcripts; check back soon, or browse the full transcript below.

Same-Day

+2.76%

1 Week

-3.02%

1 Month

-7.04%

vs S&P

-11.17%

Transcript

Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the CEMEX Third Quarter 2019 Conference Call and Webcast. My name is Hilda and I'll be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question and answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our hosts for today are Fernando González, Chief Executive Officer; and Maher Al-Haffar, Executive Vice President of Investor Relations, Communications and Public Affairs. And now I will turn the conference over to your host Fernando González. Please proceed. Fernando González: Good day to everyone and thank you for joining us for our third quarter 2019 conference call and webcast. We will be happy to take your questions after our initial remarks. In the third quarter, the business environment continued to be challenging and negatively impacted by the weaker macroeconomic conditions in several of the markets we serve. In Mexico, the temporary government transition process still impacted our performance. However, we believe demand for our products is bottoming out and are cautiously optimistic on renewed activity going forward, given the expected announcement of a new infrastructure program. In the U.S., EBITDA improved during the quarter as a result of favorable pricing and despite weaker volumes mainly due to weather and competitive dynamics in some of our markets. In our Europe and EMEA regions, we are pleased with the solid growth in EBITDA and expansion in margins driven by favorable pricing and our cost-reduction initiatives. During the quarter, we enjoyed better pricing dynamics in all our regions. On the demand side, we saw weaker volumes in all our product segments except for cement in our SCA&C, region ready-mix and aggregates in the U.S. and ready-mix in our EMEA region. During the quarter on the back of a 7% decline in EBITDA, our margins narrowed by 1.1…

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Thank you, Fernando. Hello everyone. On a like-to-like basis our net sales decreased by 1% during the quarter, while operating EBITDA decreased by 7%, mainly due to lower contribution from Mexico. Our quarterly operating EBITDA margin declined by 1.1 percentage points, most of the drop was due to lower volumes. Favorable pricing and the contribution from stronger CEMEX savings offset the increase in some variable costs, such as raw materials and cement and ready-mix, purchased cement and transportation expenses. Our EBITDA was further impacted during the quarter by an $18 million negative FX effect half of which was due to weaker Mexican peso. Costs of sales as a percentage of net sales increased by 1.1 percentage points during the third quarter, driven mainly by the higher costs I mentioned earlier, partially offset by a lower energy bill. Operating expenses as a percentage of net sales grew 0.5 percentage points mainly due to higher selling expenses. Our unitary energy costs of producing cement including kiln fuel and electricity was 9% lower during the quarter. This includes a 12% reduction in fuels and a 4% decline in electricity. Year-to-date these costs per ton were down 3%. During the fourth quarter we expect fuel costs to continue to decline, but anticipate an increase in the electricity costs. We now forecast energy including kiln fuel and electricity on a per-ton-of-cement-produced basis to decline by 3% during 2019. Our quarterly free cash flow after maintenance CapEx was $290 million compared with $369 million last year mainly explained by the lower EBITDA generation during the quarter. The higher year-to-date working capital investment mainly reflects lower accounts payable from suppliers. We expect more than half of the year-to-date investment working capital to reverse during the rest of the year to reach our guidance. Working capital days reached…

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Before we go into our Q&A session I would like to remind you that any forward-looking statements we make today are based on our current knowledge of the markets in which we operate and could change in the future due to a variety of factors beyond our control. In addition, unless the context indicates otherwise all references to pricing initiatives, price increases or decreases refer to our prices for our products. And now we will be happy to take your questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Vanessa Quiroga from Credit Suisse.

Vanessa Quiroga

Analyst

Thank you for taking my question. Good morning. The first one that I have is if you could help us understand Fernando Maher why the company was not able to revert working capital investment from the first half of the year as much as it was expected originally. And the other, the second question is regarding the EBITDA guidance. It implies a 15% year-over-year reduction for the fourth quarter, which compares to 11% decline in the first nine months of the year. So what would be the market that is dragging performance in 4Q according to your outlook? Thank you. Fernando González: Thank you, Vanessa. On working capital there are several reasons. One of them is for instance lower sales in Mexico, which is impacting. And we also have still some let's call them for one-off type of effects when last year we were still able to improve some of the variables some of the conditions of working capital that you cannot continue improving them indefinitely. So we have a one-off effect because of that reason. As you saw our working capital days here today is about minus seven days or so. So still a very good figure lower than last year. But you know I think those are the main issues. What we are expecting is for these levels of working capital to remain more or less at the same level.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

And Vanessa regarding the fourth quarter, I mean obviously as Fernando said, we are providing the guidance for the full year which kind of you can get the readthrough for the fourth quarter because of the uncertainty and the volatility. And we wanted to make sure that we're a little bit more clear to everyone in terms of expectations. You're right that if we were to take a look at the first nine months' performance, the implied fourth quarter potentially could be worse. And there you know the only thing that we can say is that on the operating side, we really expect virtually all of our markets to be in line with the first nine months performance. So we don't expect things to be deteriorating in Mexico, the U.S. in fact in Europe, we expect things to be getting a little bit better. EMEA potentially could be a little bit slower, but in general, on a like-to-like basis, at the operating level, we're expecting things to be kind of in line with the first nine months' performance. The potential -- the area that could potentially impact the outcome is really in others and eliminations. And the reality is that last year we had some positive one-offs at the end of the year that we potentially don't expect to recur. And so last year the other eliminations number was lower. Now, again we don't know. These things really don't get finalized until the end of the year. But I would say that the primary potential difference for the quarter, and therefore for the full year, is coming below the operating results level. At the operating results level, we're expecting things to be pretty much in line with the first nine months. I don't know if that answers -- I don't know if that answers --

Vanessa Quiroga

Analyst

Thank you. I'm sorry just a follow-up.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Yes. Go ahead Vanessa.

Vanessa Quiroga

Analyst

Yes, it helps a lot. Can you remind us what last year's reason for the better inter-company and eliminations number?

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Well, I mean we just--

Vanessa Quiroga

Analyst

The one-off.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Yes, I mean we just had some -- we haven't disclosed those numbers. All I can tell you is that we had some you know positive one-off provisions that we put into place. But we haven't given that breakdown.

Vanessa Quiroga

Analyst

Okay, great. And just to follow Fernando's answer regarding working capital, what is the implied number of days for the end of the year based on this guidance for your updated guidance for working capital?

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Well, I mean it's very difficult. It varies because I mean we -- as you've noticed, we've given a change in guidance from 150 to 250. What I can tell you Vanessa is that if you take a look at the kind of -- even at the high end of our guidance, if you take the implied reversal in the fourth quarter versus last year's fourth quarter, it's awfully close. In particular if you consider that last year, we had the prepayment for our investment in the Philippines. So, we feel reasonably comfortable that with the new guidance that we're getting on working capital for the end of the year that we should get there.

Vanessa Quiroga

Analyst

Thank you very much both.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Thank you, Vanessa. Operator next question.

Operator

Operator

And now we will have a question from the webcast.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Thank you. And now I will take the question from Paul Roger from Exane BNP Paribas. And the question is-

Paul Roger

Analyst

What actions can you take to hit your net debt to EBITDA targets next year if Mexico does not improve? Fernando González: Well, I think we've been describing our stronger CEMEX program and you know it has different elements. But the ones related in order to improve our net debt to EBITDA ratio is savings on the operational side and free cash flow generation on divestments. So, I think that the savings that we have identified during the year they have been delivered. Of course we never stop trying to find additional ways. But on that part for this year, I don't see additional upside. I think the main lever for us in the near future is as divestments. So, what we are doing is monitoring the situation. I think we are delivering on our commitment to divest and to reduce up to $3.5 billion of debt by December 2020 and we will continue monitoring the situation. And if -- on an as-needed basis and if needed we might make some adjustments to our stronger CEMEX program.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Thank you, Fernando. Operator, next question please.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Adrian Huerta from JPMorgan.

Adrian Huerta

Analyst

Hi, good morning everyone. Thank you for taking my question. Two questions if I may. One if you can provide us with more details if you have on how quickly we can start seeing the investments on this new infrastructure plan in Mexico being deployed? And the second question is you mentioned about tougher competition in some markets in the U.S. Can you mention specifically where are you seeing this tougher competition? Thanks. Fernando González: Thanks Adrian. Regarding the potential investments in infrastructure, we don't have a specific date. I mean we don't know on a specific date what is -- what seems to be changing when compared to very early stages of our new government is there is the interest and the will to define an infrastructure plan where public and private investments are done hand-in-hand. And as you have heard no decision has been made but there has been discussions through mainly the Consejo Coordinador Empresarial with the government in order to put in place this infrastructure plan. What we know is that it is a very comprehensive one. It includes more than 1,600 relevant projects. And it's complementary to what has been made public, meaning the main projects supported by the government. I'm referring to the airport in Santa Lucia, the refinery, the train and the project in the Isthmus de Tehuantepec. So we don't have certainty. What we're saying is that, you know, compared to previous months it seems like there is the interest of considering a program like this one. We are not guiding assuming that these investments are going to happen. It is just a possibility. I tend to think that it will happen meaning some, sort of, infrastructure plan is going to be put in place. You know, what exactly is the content of that plan still too soon to know. That's under discussions as we speak.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

And Adrian, regarding the U.S., the market that we specifically highlighted is Florida. As you know the Florida market is a very important market for us. It's a third largest for the cement business slightly under 20% in terms of our volume. And while the market has been growing, you know, because of our pricing strategies we did have -- what we believe are temporary market position adjustments. And obviously just as we do in all of our markets from time to time, we take the decision to frankly optimize for pricing. And we expect to regain the underperformance to the market in the upcoming quarters. I don't know if that answers your question.

Adrian Huerta

Analyst

It has. Thank you.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Thank you, Adrian. Fernando González: Operator, next question.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Yassine Touahri from On Field Investment Research.

Yassine Touahri

Analyst

Good evening, gentlemen. Couple of questions. First on the U.S., would you expect a little bit more competition from imports next year or in California and Texas from independent importers? And then second question on CO2 have you thought any CO2 allowance to share or could you consider selling any CO2 allowance in the future to reduce debt? And the third question, just on this elimination. I think on average it's between $50 million and $100 million of cost every quarter. Should we expect something to fall in the range of $70 million $75 million? If you could give us and also mention what you expect it to be that?

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Yassine, I think we heard just the first part of the question. Maybe what I'll do is I'll answer that and then ask you again to give me -- and if you could give us the questions one-by-one I would appreciate it. The line quality is not great on your side. So the first question is regarding imports in the U.S. And imports in the U.S., Yassine have been fairly stable year-to-date. They've been around running at the 15% level slightly higher than last year. And we really have not seen a change in the percentage of imports that are attributable to producers in the U.S. And so we've seen a fair amount of stability. Now you know as far as California is concerned, I mean, as you know we did indicate that the California market demand has weakened a little bit. We think temporarily primarily because of the housing situation. Affordability has dropped materially. But we are seeing adjustment in the prices of housing and we do expect the situation to turn around. The market in California is quite robust and we do expect continued growth in that market. The other market that has been a continued importer is Texas and Texas is our second largest market. It's been an importer for quite a while. It's the fastest growing. Two or three of the cities in Texas, Dallas, Houston and Austin -- are three of the fastest-growing cities in the country. And so we do expect to some extent satisfying demand there through imports like everybody else, frankly. So I -- no major change other than this. Now could you please ask the second question that you had?

Yassine Touahri

Analyst

Yes. My second question was on CO2. Have you considered to sell -- as you say there is CO2 allowance and could you consider selling CO2 allowance in the future.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

If I could understand you

Yassine Touahri

Analyst

CO2 allowance. CO2.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Do we consider -- this is I'm just mentioning it so we all here understand it. So you're asking is if we considered selling CO2 allowances. Fernando González: I see. Well, I think, that might be a possibility. We have not done it recently. Under certain conditions we did it in the past. As you may know we are long in our CO2 position for the fourth phase. So we might consider that as an option, but no specific actions have been taken on that regard.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

And yes in the -- the last question. Was it on the change in the other eliminations? Did I understand that correctly?

Yassine Touahri

Analyst

Yes. Is it fair question that it could be in the range of 50 -- between $50 million and $100 million?

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

I mean we can't guide. I would say if you take a look at prior years, I mean last year like we said, earlier was particularly low. So I would take a look at a couple years back and you can extrapolate probably from that. But the average has been in the 60-plus range.

Yassine Touahri

Analyst

Very good. Thank you very much.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Thank you, Yassine. Operator, next question.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Francisco Suárez from Scotiabank. Francisco Suárez: Hi, thanks for the call. Asking about question on the government's programs in Mexico. It seems that the infrastructure programs in Mexico that should be announced, I mean it takes a while to be shown ready and to be felt directly not to mention that second points I'm not commenting there. But what can you tell us about the housing program that should be announced perhaps like November? Because that probably could be felt much more soon than -- sooner then compared to the problems on infrastructure that you mentioned. Thank you. Fernando González: You are right Francisco. Housing program should have a much faster execution than an infrastructure one. The infrastructure program, we still don't know if that is going to be approved and the content of it. But even if it is approved soon, let's say before year-end or early due to next year, it will take time for those projects to consume our products. In the case of the housing program, I don't have a specific date. I understand there has been some announcements in the sense of having a proposition by next month. That's the latest info that I have. Is that going to happen and what is the content of it? That I -- I don't have any additional info.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Yeah. Maybe I could also complement what Fernando was saying Paco is that, I think what we're seeing in Mexico interestingly enough is that because of the delay in the social housing program we’re seeing developers fairly rapidly focusing their businesses into the middle and upper-middle class housing business. That is a business that tends to be for higher -- for bigger houses has more intensity and of course the retooling is not going to happen overnight. Having said that, we're really encouraged by two things. We're encouraged by public sector mortgages growth. We have seen double-digit-growth CAGR from the beginning of the year in public sector individual mortgages that are being granted. More importantly, which addresses this let's say this refocus of developers into more of the middle market; we're seeing commercial bank mortgages for new homes growing significantly. And we've seen them growing at a CAGR of 10% since the beginning of the year. And actually for the first nine months of the year, we've seen growth year-over-year of 30% in that driver. And that's a very important driver of demand for the biggest segment of the housing section. So yes there is uncertainty and unfortunately the longer that uncertainty lasts, the longer -- the faster the market is going to switch to that middle market, which actually is higher intensity and could be better for us. But we look forward to that program being announced ASAP. Fernando González: Now if I may add to Maher's comment Francisco, as I mentioned before, without considering a social housing program or a new or a review infrastructure plan, we see volumes in Mexico bottoming out. Meaning even in the absence of this program, it seems like demand is not deteriorating further. It is true that there is a base effect…

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Thank you, Francisco.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Operator next question.

Operator

Operator

And now we will have a question from the webcast.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

So the next question is from Francisco Chavez from BBVA. And the question is can you give us a breakdown of the minus 1% year-over-year decline in volumes in the U.S. Paco the -- I think, it's very important before I give kind of the -- which markets that was impacted is that, I would say that the impact, the weather impact, that we had in the southeast region was quite material. It represents almost 40% -- the markets that were impacted represent close to 40% of our sales. And they represent close to 30% of our cement volumes. And we guesstimate the impact of Hurricane Dorian. And of course granted it did not hit many of these markets. But I don't know if you've seen the news programs during what was happening. People were busy shuttering down their houses and buildings and all of that. And not necessarily going out there and pouring concrete and using our products during that period. So we guesstimate roughly a seven-day impact, as a consequence of Hurricane Dorian which as we mentioned is a Cat-5 storm. In addition, and much less impactful was the quite-historic flooding that we had in the Houston area. So I think it's important to kind of use that as a backdrop. The hurricane probably impacted our volume somewhere between 2% to 3%. And then, we have the weakness in California, which we think is a temporary weakness as I mentioned, driven primarily because of the weakness in the housing market which is really due to affordability, not due to any structural weakness in the state. So -- and then we mentioned, Florida loss of market because of pricing, which we believe is also temporary. The state actually is doing quite well. And like I said, it's the third largest market for us, representing a little bit less than 20%. On the other hand, Texas has been booming, I mean frankly. And so we're excited about that and Houston in particular so -- and that's the market where we're highly concentrated so we benefit from that. Now having said all of that, we do think that this underperformance is not lost volumes. I mean we do think that at some point in time in the next quarters, we should see recovery in volumes in those markets, because of weather. So it's really, weather, a big chunk of our dynamic is weather-driven frankly. I don't know if that answers your question.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Operator next question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Mauricio Serna from UBS.

Mauricio Serna

Analyst

Hi. Good morning. And thanks for taking my questions. A couple of questions and first in Mexico, you were mentioning you source these things relatively stable for next year's demand. I was wondering if you'd comment maybe a little bit more, how you're seeing things evolving, maybe on a sector-by-sector basis? And thinking that maybe there could be something going on in infrastructure. I don't know how much that would be a trigger given that it's relatively small for you in terms of percentage of your demand if I recall 15%. And then just a couple of things regarding the credit facilities agreement. You were mentioning that there were some changes to some thresholds regarding the leverage. I don't know if you could elaborate a little bit more on that. And finally, if you could maybe provide an update on a divestment pipeline, it’s been you’ve announced so far $830 million of divestments. I recall several months ago you were talking about still around $400 million that were in the pipeline relatively close to reaching an agreement. I was just wondering how are those talks evolving? Thank you.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Mauricio, maybe I could address the sector performance. I mean, obviously, we don't give guidance I mean on performance until next year. But you know, the areas that we obviously, I mean it sounds like -- it sounds a bit simplistic but we do expect the housing segment which accounts for close to 60% of our volumes. And we do expect infrastructure which is probably mid-teens of our volumes. And these are the two segments that have underperformed dramatically. And the -- I should say underperformance not by us. This is underperformance because of the -- because of certain actions that are prevailing in the market. And we don't think that the underperformance is due to structural drivers. I mean it's not a shortage of credit. It's not a shortage of demand. In fact, if anything there's probably quite a bit of an overhang in both the housing market and the infrastructure market. And we are -- let's say we are hopeful, optimistic. I don't know how you want to call it. About the housing market picking up next year, we do expect some activity higher activity in infrastructure as a consequence of the fiscal stimulus and infrastructure programs that have been talked about. And we think that we have a particularly strong presence in those markets. And so to the extent that we see that lift in demand, it should impact us. But again as Fernando said, it's too difficult at this point in time to kind of say, it is definitely going to happen. And so I think we'd rather wait. We do have strength in those two particular segments and we would rather wait until we see a little bit more going forward to the end of the year and beginning of next year when we give…

Mauricio Serna

Analyst

Thank you. Just a quick follow-up on Mexico though. You were mentioning the -- just wanted to get a sense you know that 15% volume decline. Do you have an idea of how that compares to the industry decline for the quarter? Fernando González: For the quarter, I'm not sure I do have here for the quarter. But year-to-date figure is around 10% more or less.

Mauricio Serna

Analyst

Okay, okay. That’s helpful. Fernando González: Yes.

Mauricio Serna

Analyst

Thank you Fernando González: Great. Thanks a lot Mauricio. Operator?

Operator

Operator

We have time for one last question that comes from Eduardo Altamirano from HSBC.

Eduardo Altamirano

Analyst

Hi, gentlemen. Thank you for taking my question. I actually have two. The first one is on the deferred -- well, it seems you change the maintenance CapEx outlook. You declined this by about $100 million. Is this something we’d expect to see in the following year? And the second question would be -- just, if you could provide more color on the rationale behind the share buybacks, especially keeping in mind with everything you just mentioned about the credit facility agreement, management of, let's say, any sort of leverage and expectations of -- or a commitment to having all of your cash flow designated towards deleveraging? Thanks.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Yeah. Eduardo, on the maintenance, I think that was more of a fine-tuning. I mean and whether -- I mean, first, I'd like to say that the guidance that we had was for fairly robust maintenance. And obviously -- I mean, as you know, we do have some flexibility in the timing of when and the scope of what we do. And given what was kind of happening on the -- in other elements below the EBITDA line, we felt it's probably prudent to maybe trim back a little bit on the maintenance levels. What could happen in 2020 and beyond, I mean can't comment on that. But it's not inconceivable that this level can be a run rate level for 2020. But, we'll disclose that or we'll discuss that when we talk about guidance for next year. Fernando González: Regarding the rationale on the buyback, the idea of returning capital to shareholders is one of the elements of our stronger CEMEX program that we communicated since mid-2018. Perhaps, one of the reasons why we decided to have much more flexibility compared to the one we had before the adjustments to the financial agreement, is because of the value of our share in recent times going, in our opinion, below its intrinsic value. So, we wanted to have the flexibility to act on an opportunistic way and whenever we believe that is convenient. If I -- just to reinforce the message, if I use the example of the buyback we did between August and September, we bought around 1% of CEMEX in $50 million. That's equivalent -- I'm making a big assumption here – but, at that price that is equivalent for us divesting one of our smallest business units and buying 10% of CEMEX. Again, I'm not saying we're going to do it. What I'm saying is at those values what we want is the flexibility to act for the benefit of our shareholders.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

And just to complement what Fernando is saying, it's very important to note that this -- different from the basket that we had before, this is a basket that is available during the life of the facilities agreement. So -- and the facilities agreement mature by 2024. So, we're talking about four years. So, it's not a one-year limit. So, that's one of the reasons why it's also -- it seems like it's a big number, but it's also -- it's over the life of the facilities agreement. So, I don't know if that addresses your -- if you have any further clarification, of course, we'll be more than happy to address it.

Eduardo Altamirano

Analyst

No, that does it. And then just I appreciate the color on that. The only other follow-up would be that since you noted that it fell below intrinsic value, how are you seeing intrinsic value for the company based on where -- what is that sort of -- well, just not give the number exactly, but we can get sort of an idea of what that would be?

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Yeah. Eduardo, you can imagine that that's a very delicate question, right. We're not going to -- we're not in the position to say below this or that target. So, I would prefer -- we'd prefer not to comment on it.

Eduardo Altamirano

Analyst

Understood. Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Thank you very much, Eduardo. Fernando González: Thanks.

Maher Al-Haffar

Analyst

Operator?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Fernando González for closing remarks. Fernando González: Well, thank you very much. And in closing, I would like to thank you all for the time and attention, and we look forward to your continued participation in CEMEX. Please feel free to contact us directly or visit our website at any time. Thank you, and good day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect. Good day.