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Casella Waste Systems, Inc. (CWST)

Q3 2018 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 2, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to The Casella Waste Systems Q3, 2018 Conference Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to you host, Mr. Joe Fusco. You may begin the conference.

Joe Fusco

Analyst

Thank you for joining us this morning and welcome. With us today are John Casella, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Casella Waste Systems; Ed Johnson, our President and Chief Operating Officer; Ned Coletta; our Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Jason Mead, our Director of Finance. Today, we will be discussing our 2018 third quarter results. These results were released yesterday afternoon, along with a brief review of those results and an update on the company's activities and business environment, we will be answering your questions as well. But first, as you know I must remind everyone the various remarks that we may make about the company's future expectations, plans and prospects constitute forward-looking statements for the purposes of the Safe Harbor provisions under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by these forward-looking statements. As a result of various important factors including those discussed in the Risk Factors section of our most recent Annual Report on Form 10-K which is on file with the SEC. In addition, any forward-looking statements represent our views only as of today and should not be relied upon as representing our views as if any subsequent date. And while we may elect to update forward-looking statements at some point in the future, we specifically disclaim any obligation to do so even if our views change. These forward-looking statements should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any date subsequent today. Also during this call, we will be referring to non-GAAP financial measures. These non-GAAP measures are not prepared in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles. Reconciliations of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures to the extent they are available without a reasonable effort are available in the appendix to our investor slide presentation, which is available in the Investor section at our Website ir.casella.com. And with that, I'll turn it over to John Casella who'll begin today's discussion.

John Casella

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Thanks Joe. Good morning everyone and welcome to our third quarter 2018 conference call. We are pleased with our third quarter results and our continued execution against key strategies. Strong operating performance and free cash flow growth continues to be driven by our execution of our 2021 plan with outperformance of our pricing strategies and outperformance of our acquisition strategy. From an acquisition perspective including the two acquisitions we announced yesterday, we have acquired approximately $70 million of annualized revenues year-to-date and have exceeded our goal of $20 million to $40 million. We are excited about the early success, we’ve had along with the robust pipeline and growth opportunities that still exist. We are actively working on acquiring several more businesses that are on various stages of progress and look forward to updating you on these as we move forward. Though the acquisition phase, growth phase through the acquisition growth phase, we’ve retained our focus and discipline on core business, including our pricing programs. In the quarter, we increased solid waste pricing 4.8% year-over-year. Our strong financial performance in the solid waste, organic and customer solutions group was again muted by recycling commodity price pressures. However, we remain confident in our ability to more than offset this headwind through continued outperformance and strength through the remainder of the business. Therefore, we raised our revenue, adjusted a bit of a normal free cash flow guidance ranges for 2018. We announced our 2021 plan last summer and I’m pleased to say that we are tracking well against this long-term plan. At the time we announced our 2021 plan, we put forth the goal to grow normalized free cash flow by 10% to 15% per year. This annual growth rate equated to approximately $50 million to $60 million per year of normalized free…

Ned Coletta

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

Thanks, John. Before discussing the quarter, I wanted to get some context about how well we are truly doing in 2018 excluding the recycling headwinds. For the 12 months ended September 30th, adjusted EBITDA for the recycling business was down t$10.7 million year-over-year. While at the same time, adjusted EBITDA for the remainder of that business was up $16.9 million year-over-year. This has resulted in $6.2 million of growth over this very challenging period for recycling, but it truly underscores how well we're doing and solid waste customer solutions in organics and other parts of the business. Now onto the quarter. Revenues in the third quarter were $172.8 million, up $12.6 million or 7.8% year-over-year with 4% of this coming from acquisitions, 1.5% from our cost recovery fees SRA and E&E fee. 5.7% from organic growth across the business and this is all partially offset by a 3.4% headwind from recycling price and volumes. Solid waste revenues were up $12.7 or 10.7% year-over-year as a percentage of solid waste revenue. Revenues in a collection line of business were up $9.6 million year-over-year with price up 5.7% across all lines of business, volume slightly down, down 0.4%, risk recovery fees up 3.5% and acquisitions adding $3.4 million. Our disciplined pricing strategy has been working very well, balancing customer retention and new business growth with appropriate pricing levels to offset the building inflation across our operations. Revenues in the disposal line of business were up $3.9 million year-over-year with a growth driven by strong pricing, higher landfill volumes, $3 million of acquisition activity, all partially offset by business interruption at a transfer station that we're rebuilding after a fire that forced us to close the facility in late June. The temporary closure of this transfer station resulted in an $800,000 headwind to…

Ed Johnson

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Thanks Ned, and good morning everyone. We're very happy with our progress year-to-date and certainly look forward to a strong close for the year. For the quarter, [Indiscernible] and disposal operations continue to be well ahead of plan overcoming the headwind from commodity prices in the recycling segment. We are successfully managing through what I call it dynamic environment, so I just thought it would helpful if I walk through our pricing programs and our margins and how we are staying ahead of the game while positioning ourselves well for the future. Our consolidated cost of ops as a percentage of revenue was up 120 basis points in the quarter versus the prior year. As reiterated from past calls this is primarily due to the China-lead drop in commodity prices and the effect on margin in that segment of our business. There are other changes in the Northeast that are causing some additional minor margin compression, but strongly benefiting the bottom line. There are also some long-term strategic moves we are making that change are solid waste business mix, improving our ability to capture and control tons from markets with increasing demand and shrinking supply. Breaking down our solid waste component into its components, our collection operations generated about 46% of our revenue in the quarter and we achieved 5.7% price on those revenues. Now, 5.7% is a great number, but does not include year-over-year additions to our pass-through fees like our fuel surcharge which is embedded in our E&E fees and SRA fees. In addition we’re in markets with rapidly increasing disposal prices in a very competitive labor environment. The good news here is that we have not only covered these cost increases, but have been able to retain our margins. Cost of ops as a percentage of revenue…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of William Grippin. Your line is open.

William Grippin

Analyst

Hi. Good morning, everyone.

John Casella

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Good morning, William.

William Grippin

Analyst

So -- my first question was just – I was wondering if you could walk us through the puts and takes on the 2019 revenue growth of 5.5% that was noted in the press release. It seems to me like the rollover impact of acquisitions will get you most of the way there on its own in 2019. So any color you have there would be helpful?

John Casella

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Yes, Will, I’m sorry, if there’s confusion about that. So, we expect revenue growth in 2019 of over 10%, the 5% is just from the rollover impact of acquisitions already completed. In 2018 our solid waste pricing should be north of 3.5%. I should note first, we haven’t finished budgeting yet. So this just on a run rate basis as we look at things. We don’t expect solid waste volumes to be materially different than where they have been. We’re kind of running about 1% plus range looking at pricing the last 50 [ph] across the business. We’re going to have positive growth in recycling unless something radically changes even if pricing stays where it is. We expect the rollover several contracts as we talk about. And then please remember we’ll have about 2% revenue impact, negative impact from the closure of Southbridge we’ll be closing the site in the coming weeks.

William Grippin

Analyst

Okay. That’s helpful. And so, yes, you mentioned recycling, I was just wondering if you could talk about it. I think there is three sort of legacy contracts that are not currently subject to the SRA. Have you been involved in preliminary discussions with those customers? And if they sort of pushed back on the fee, I mean is it business you’d walk away from more [ph]?

John Casella

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Yes. We’ve had preliminary conversation with all of those legacy contracts and we’ll walk away from the business, either way we’re going to better off next year from a recycling standpoint, because those legacy contracts come up in the next 12 months. So we’re going to be – we’ll be much better off. It’s not business that we would need to keep. I don’t think that – it’s our view that, it’s more likely that the contracts would be renewed than that we’ll be walking away from anything. The location of our recycling facilities for those larger contracts is a critical component in terms of the overall ability to provide that service. So I think it’s – it’s our view that it’s more likely that those contracts would be renewed at a profitable rate.

Ned Coletta

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

And John said in his prepared comments I think it’s important to note is that in September the month of September our EBITDA was up year-over-year in the recycling business. This is the first time in over 15 months that we’ve had improvement. And it’s really due to couple of factors. One is, we’ve seen a very slight sequential improvement in commodity prices to that’s scale. We’re starting to comp a lot easier periods. The real substantial decline started to happen in August and September of 2017. And then the last point is, we’ve been improving contracts and really even shifting our business structure. One of the areas we’re very very focused on right now is contamination. So, we need to make sure we’re getting quality material into our recycling facility. We’re not signed up to take garbage from people. So if we’re getting 25% to 30% inbound contamination we’re holding people through their contracts and we’re starting to impose new contamination fees which are also helping us to generate revenues in some of the areas maybe don't have to risk mitigation programs in place like the SRA fee.

William Grippin

Analyst

Thank you. And then my last question was just on how you’re thinking about SG&A spend trending in absolute dollars as you begin integrating these larger deals that you been doing. Should expect to see that tick up or do you think you can kind of manager and keep it flat?

John Casella

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Yes. So, our intention with some of our technology investments is to gain G&A and its also our intention to be in a letter is also intention to gain some leverage with acquisitions, the absolute dollars are going to come up, because we’re adding some new locations for absolute new management, but we are conservative in our approach. We’re looking – I don’t have as a percent of revenues. For the year we’re looking to come out around 12.7% roughly, 12.6% to 12.8% kind of in that range. And as I said earlier, we have not finished budgeting for next year, but it is really our intention to not scale G&A at the same rate as we’re bringing on revenues from the acquisitions.

William Grippin

Analyst

Perfect. Thank you.

John Casella

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Corey Greendale. Your line is open.

Corey Greendale

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Hey, good morning, and congratulations on all of the great results. So, I just had a few questions. First of all, maybe this is nitpicking – everything is really good. You talk and you gave detail on the year-over-year margin impact. If I look at just the EBITDA dollar in solid waste business, I think it’s up like 4.5 million year-over-year and just the absolute dollar amount is up a little less than I might have expected given the strong price. Can you talk about kind of maybe just reposition some of things you talk –been talking about more of the cost offset that might be affecting the absolute dollar increase?

John Casella

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Yes. I think it’s a good point. It’s hard to look at it all, because we’ve got some really successful fee programs working like that SRA fees, the fuel fee, so revenues are grossing up, but our cost are also grossing up. But the good thing is we fully recovered both intercompany recycling increases year-over-year and fuel increases. So we’re very happy about that. So part of our cost and part of our revenue, we almost put this aside where there is offsetting risk. And if you go across the rest of the business, I don’t Ed if you want to talk about some of the inflation we’re seeing in other categories.

Ed Johnson

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Yes. So, I think it’s pretty well-known to the industries that CDL drivers, the mechanics, there’s definite shortage. Nationally we’ve been very good with our career path to attract new talents and to battle that shortfall, but we’re also adjusting wages. So there’s a wage inflation built in and what I talked about for the hauling side of the business that was part of what we’ve been able to recover and keep our margins with our pricing program and the collection operation.

Corey Greendale

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

And if I think about just the underlying level of labor cost inflation, if you can put a number on that?

John Casella

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Yes. 4%, and probably about 4%. Normally, we’re thinking in a 2% range, but we’re clearly around 4% inflation. And I think that probably some of the increases as Ed said, what we did before we started career path from the driver perspective, we went out on market by market and really the market evaluation and adjusted wages to make sure that we’re at market.

Corey Greendale

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Okay. Thank you. And then on the collection business the pricing quite strong and it sounds like there was a little bit of volume loss as a result of pushing strong price? Just if you give out some insight to how you’re thinking about that? And the trade off we saw in Q3, is that about what we should expect or you didn’t expect to get more aggressive on price and risk losing more volume to that trade-off?

John Casella

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Yes. It pose some volume trade-off, but when you get under the hood a bit in our front load commercial line of business our volumes were up about over 2% in our rear load resi line of business our volumes were up a little bit over 1% and our roll-off line of business were down a little bit and we’re really trying to flex price and the roll-off line of business we have a very tight landfill market. We’re trying to reset prices higher. So we are trading more there on the residential and commercial side of business to inflation to inflation and we need to push back the true cost of doing business both from a labor standpoint and from a disposal recycling standpoint. So we’re not seeing the same loss as our sales force, our GMs have done a really nice job working with customers and helping them to understand the changes in the market.

Corey Greendale

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

And you think the roll-off, trade up, the volumes you’re losing there. How much of that winds up in your landfill anyway?

John Casella

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

We are good better there and we’re filled up as much as we want to be in 2018 as we talk about we’re having to ease up volumes as we glide to the fourth quarter to meet permit limit, which is good [Indiscernible] to have coming into 2019, because it sets a nice pricing tone coming into our reset on may customers.

Corey Greendale

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Okay. And then my last question is just you've obviously picked up the M&A activity at least in terms of number of actions [ph] pretty meaningfully, just interested in given that -- that that muscle hadn't been flexed in a while, how the and I know these are predominately talking as how the integration is going. And if there's complexity around that given that you haven't been doing a lot of acquisitions and given that you just changed you're back and ERP system it complicates or makes it easier.

John Casella

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

I think that they are moving to the new NetSuite system in the cloud is really going to pay some dividends on a go-forward basis, because we're going to have everything on one database. It's a pretty, pretty exciting and I think it's really going to help with back-office costs. From an integration standpoint, the integration is really at the field level, in fact the regional V.P. level and they're very much involved with the acquisitions sponsor them, it's their teams that put the performance together, their team that's going to be held accountable to the performance. So, I think, from a practical standpoint, there are resources that you few small amount of resources that we put in place and we'll continue to evaluate the execution of the integration to make sure that we have the resources necessary to get that done. But again, the vast majority of that will be done at the field level, at the regional team level. And they are doing a great job, and a terrific job.

Corey Greendale

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Great. Again, nice work.

John Casella

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Thanks, appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Hoffman. Your line is open.

Michael Hoffman

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

Thank you for taking my questions. So, can you just clarify your calculation of price when you reported what – what, is that measure of the average rate that you've achieved, or is that the price you've gone to the street with and then the retention and losses are captured in volume. Well, I just want to make sure we're comparing apples-to-apples across the peer group.

John Casella

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

We don't play any games with our pricing stats. It's the same customer, same type of service. How much we changed their actual price year-over-year. We don't even do a shorter period like that's like some of our peers do. So if there are any rollbacks or any changes, it’s captured in the actual price statistics, and everything else gets pushed to – unless it’s the fee. And our fees are carved out separately, they're tracked separately, such as SRA fee or the E&E fee.

Michael Hoffman

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

So then obviously everybody is pressing this issue on margins given the depth of the price. What's the actual fall in all internal costs of inflation? Is it, really running at 3% or 4% that….

Ned Coletta

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

On labor for sure. On [Indiscernible] role basis.

John Casella

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

So we know -- we run market based pricing. So what we give externally for landfills or recycling facilities, we give to our own hauling companies that can pass it back to the curb. So during the year, we gave anywhere from 6% to 10% price increases from our disposal sites to our hauling companies. And as you know, we've given very large increases in the quarter alone at $2 million year-over-year increase in tipping fees between our recycling facilities and our hauling company. So as Ed pointed out, we've taken a lot of inflation from disposal, from recycling and we've effectively gotten it back to the curb and we've expanded margins a little tiny bit in collection even with the inflation fee. So you kind of have like through inflation labor, parts, tires, things like that, but you also have us running a market based system where we're passing back through to some of those profits show up in the landfill, some of those show up -- shows up in the recycling business as well.

Michael Hoffman

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

Okay. So the play-off on that would be we ought to be seeing and improving cash-on-cash return aspect of the business. And that, I guess that's where we really ought to be looking is that while margins maybe shouldn't be the focus we ought to be looking at the quality of the cash returns. Can we talk about that and what's happening in the model and whether the business is converting more cash out of it faster?

John Casella

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

Yes, we look at return on net assets that statistically look at, and we're running right around 10% returns right now. So that's very positive. Our free cash flow conversion as you know continues to improve, but it is slightly masked by the fees that have been gross stuff. So you almost have the access to the site to see what's happening in the core business, and we are improving our cash on cash returns.

Michael Hoffman

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

And that is about 12 million?

John Casella

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

[Indiscernible] year-over-year.

Michael Hoffman

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

So year-to-date we should pull 12 million out of a year-to-date revs and then look on the cash flow and…

Ned Coletta

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

On site, -- for the full year we expect our fees to be 12.5 million for the year-to-date at 9..

Michael Hoffman

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

9…

Ned Coletta

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

Yes, 9 year-to-date.

Michael Hoffman

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

So maybe that’s possibly a better way to think about this in this inflationary environment is that your holding margins stable-ish, but you're producing better cash and that -- that really ultimately is the real measure of the quality of garbage companies, the ability to accelerate the cash conversion of the model.

John Casella

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

Yes absolutely.

Michael Hoffman

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

Okay. All right. Thanks

John Casella

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

You're welcome. Thanks, Michael.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We have a question from Michael Hoffman. Your line is open.

Michael Hoffman

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

Since I got this chance ask one follow up, which I should have asked in the first place. Why not reset the 2021 goal, given that you're well ahead of the pace of acquisitions and just give us a pro forma adjustment for it?

John Casella

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Yes, we – we put these plans together, and we've tried to do it for a few years now. It gives people some visibility into our long range plans, and it's hard to get everything right. So it's funny, I flashback in my mind to the summer of 2017 and we were right about one thing. Organically we're growing free cash flow 10% to 15% a year, given where we are and our programs. You tap on some inorganic growth acquisitions were more like 15% to 20% a year or maybe higher if we do more acquisition activity. The $50 million I threw out there was just kind of like a base minimum. And if we kind of rolled the numbers forward from the summer of 2017 to 2021. You could get anywhere from $50 million I think, $60 million or $65 million if you used our growth rates. So we just threw that out there as a base. Well I think you can see now Michael that that base is going to be surpassed. As John said a little earlier, we'll probably hit $50 million in 2019 or early 2020. We haven't finished our budgeting yet. So I don't want to get ahead of myself, but if you look at that. I think the more important measure is how fast we'll grow and we'll probably just abandon the $50 million. It's not an important metric. It's more of we're growing 10% to 15% organically and then in 2018 we're actually going to end up growing three cash flow 15% to 20%.

Michael Hoffman

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

Okay.

John Casella

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Yes, and one thing that I think is important to note is, as we're ramping up acquisitions, it's going to take a year, two years with some of these to fully pull in synergies whether it be internalization they have existing third party, disposal contracts, or if we have to put businesses together, how this goes, it’s take a little while. And just looking at where things ramp through this year and into next year, is I think an important thing. So we expect through this year to have about $6 million of EBITDA contributed from acquisitions which is helping to offset quite a bit of that recycling headwind. Coming into next year, we expect in 2019 to have $8 million to $10 million of rollover impact from the acquisitions we've completed to date. But that's not the full run rate, you'll be into 2020 till we reached the full run rate, which will be more like 25 plus percent margin on the acquisitions we've completed to date. So I think it's important to note where it's going to take a little while. We had a great pipeline coming into this year of acquisitions and things have happened a bit faster than we had originally planned. And we've got some integration work to do.

Michael Hoffman

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

Okay, thank you.

Ed Johnson

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

The other thing that is that is very clear to is all of the pressure from a labor standpoint, from a disposal standpoint, from recycling standpoint has just made the acquisition strategy even more powerful because there’s tremendous amount of activity out there and difficulty for most of the independence.

Michael Hoffman

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

Okay.

John Casella

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Thanks, Michael.

Michael Hoffman

Analyst · Michael Hoffman. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

I’m showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the conference back to Mr. John Casella.

John Casella

Analyst · Corey Greendale. Your line is open

Thanks everyone for your attention this morning. We look forward to discussing our fourth quarter 2018 earnings and our 2019 guidance with you in late February of next year. Thanks everyone. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference. Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day. You may all disconnect.