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Q3 2012 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 1, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the CommVault's Fiscal Third Quarter 2012 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] At this time, for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Michael Picariello, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Michael Picariello

Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for dialing in today for our fiscal third quarter 2012 earnings call. With me on the call are Bob Hammer, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; Al Bunte, Chief Operating Officer; and Lou Miceli, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that statements made during this call, including in the Q&A session at the end of the call, that relate to future results and projections are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and are based on our current expectations. Actual results may differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties, which are discussed in our SEC filings and in the cautionary statement contained in our press release and on our website. The company undertakes no responsibility to update the information in this conference call under any circumstance. Our earnings press release was issued over the wire services earlier today, and it also has been furnished to the SEC as an 8-K filing. The press release is also available on our Investor Relations website. On this conference call, we will provide non-GAAP financial results. The reconciliation between the non-GAAP and GAAP measures can be found in Table 4 accompanying the press release and posted on our website. This conference call is also being recorded for replay and is being webcast. An archive of today's webcast will be available on our website following the call. I will now turn the call over to our CEO and President, Mr. Bob Hammer.

N. Hammer

Analyst · Lazard Capital

Thanks, Michael, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining our third quarter FY '12 earnings call. We had a strong quarter in all aspects of our business. We set records for both revenue and earnings and we topped the $100 million mark in quarterly revenues for the first time. Let me briefly summarize Q3 FY '12 financial results. For the quarter, total revenues were a record $103.6 million, up 24% year-over-year and up 6% sequentially. Software revenue grew 23% year-over-year and 8% sequentially, while services grew 25% year-over-year and 5% sequentially. Geographically, we had strong growth in the Americas, Europe and China. For the quarter, non-GAAP operating income or EBIT was $19.6 million, up 31% year-over-year. EBIT margins were 19%, non-GAAP diluted earnings per share for the quarter was $0.27. For the first 9 months of fiscal '12, we grew the top line by 30% and we achieved solid EBIT expansion of 220 basis points. We generated over $27 million of cash flow from operations during the quarter and approximately $70 million for the first 9 months. The positive results for the first 9 months of fiscal '12 have been primarily due to the combination of the following key factors: Simpana 9 software significantly increased our technology differentiation versus all key competitors; improved sales execution in major enterprise accounts; increased brand awareness aided by CommVault's industry-leading position by respected third-parties such as Gartner; and increased distribution leverage from both our strategic and reseller partners; and improved execution in all segments by our globally realigned sales force. I'm going to talk about and spend a minute on enterprise accounts. Enterprise deals, which we define as deals over 100,000 in software or 40% of license revenue in the quarter, representing 20% year-over-year growth. Our average enterprise deal size was approximately 269,000 during…

Louis Miceli

Analyst · Rajesh Ghai with ThinkEquity

Thanks, Bob, and good morning, everyone. I will cover the key financial highlights for the third quarter of fiscal year 2012. Total revenue for Q3 was $103.6 million, an increase of 24% year-over-year and 6% sequentially. During Q3, revenue from U.S. operations generated approximately 61% of total revenues, resulting in a 26% year-over-year increase, while revenue from international operations generated 39% of total revenues, resulting in a 21% year-over-year increase. On a year-over-year and sequential constant currency basis, foreign currency movements did not have a material impact on neither Q3 revenues or earnings per share. The revenue mix for the quarter was 50% software and 50% services. In the prior-year period, the mix was also split evenly. For the quarter, we reported software revenue of $51.4 million, which was up by 23% or $9.7 million over the prior-year period. As Bob mentioned, our software revenue from deals over $100,000 increased by 20% over the prior-year period and declined 8% over the prior quarter. The number of enterprise software deals over $100,000 declined 2% year-over-year and [Audio Gap] sequentially. However, our average enterprise deal size was approximately 269,000 during the current quarter compared to 219,000 in the prior-year period, and 208,000 in the prior quarter. This increase in the average deal size was driven by more deals greater than $1 million as compared to last quarter, as well as strong growth in high 6-figure deals. In addition, our SMB business grew 26% sequentially primarily on the strength of our global SMB channel partners, dedicated inside sales teams, and some new specialized pricing bundles for the SMB market. Services revenue for Q3 was $52.2 million, an increase of 25% year-over-year and 5% sequentially. Software revenue derived from indirect distribution channels represented 88% of software revenue, which increased by $10 million or 29%…

N. Hammer

Analyst · Lazard Capital

Thank you, Lou. I want to spend a few minutes discussing the new Simpana 9 innovations that were announced in our press release this morning. I will also discuss more broadly our customers key IT data and information challenges and why we are best-positioned to address both challenges. As part of our Simpana 9 press release, we announced an exciting industry-first, Simpana OnePass. A new Simpana OnePass converges backup, archive, analytics and deduplication into a single process, reducing combined operation time by more than 50% compared to traditional methods. Simpana OnePass also enables customers to reduce data management cost, reduce business and compliance risk and more easily extract data for better decision-making with anywhere, anytime information access. We also announced in the press release that Simpana SnapProtect now delivers the industry's broadest hardware Snap integration which protects customers existing SAN environments, eliminates the backup window, accelerates recovery and reduces costs. Our new Simpana Edge Protection protects data on laptops, desktops with embedded source-side deduplication for optimized efficiency. There are many other enhancements in this press release, including significant improvements in managing data in virtualized cloud and SharePoint environments. Please note, we will provide a lot more detail on these and many other enhancements of Simpana 9 at our SolveForward 2012 virtual tradeshow beginning at 11% Eastern Time today on our website. Our objective with Simpana 9 is to provide solutions to solve the critical issues for our customers. Those issues include: Data continues to grow at faster rates than systems or budgets can support; keeping up with rapidly changing infrastructures, including virtualization, data center consolidation, new storage networks and the cloud; demands for better scalability and performance; edge devices, including laptops and tablets are proliferating and that IT is mandated to support and ensure proper controls are in place to…

Michael Picariello

Analyst

Thanks, Bob. Operator, can we please open the line up for questions?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Joel Fishbein with Lazard Capital.

Joel Fishbein

Analyst · Lazard Capital

I just have a couple of clarifying question or one clarifying question and then one follow-up. Bob, I just want to reconcile what you said about margins. It's clear that you guys want to reinvest in growth. And in fiscal '11, you did roughly 17% operating margins and you're on track to do 18% -- roughly 18%. I just want to make sure that I understand in terms of what you're saying about your Q4. Are you planning on being down sequentially in terms of operating margins because of reinvestment or how should we think about Q4, which has usually have been a strong operating margin quarter for you?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Lazard Capital

As Lou said, we could do better, but we are significantly making major investments this quarter. You're going to see it show up in our headcount. So we could do better, we think the prudent thing to do is provide approximately 100-point guide of operating margin improvement for Q4. So that would imply that we could be down quarter-on-quarter.

Joel Fishbein

Analyst · Lazard Capital

Okay. Down quarter-on-quarter on Q4 but up -- but it'll be up 100 basis points for the year?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Lazard Capital

That's correct.

Joel Fishbein

Analyst · Lazard Capital

Okay. I just want to make sure. Second thing is $257 million in cash, didn't buy back any stock, what are your thoughts there in terms of use of cash and how much cash do you need to use -- run the business?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Lazard Capital

Well, we don't need very much cash to run the business, obviously. But we've got -- we are always opportunistic in our buyback approach and we'll continue to be opportunistic in that regard. We also have going -- for the future, we have some other ideas on where to deploy cash and when those firm up, I'll discuss those further.

Joel Fishbein

Analyst · Lazard Capital

Does that mean that your turn -- may turn to M&A now for -- to enhance growth?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Lazard Capital

No. The billion-dollar plan is clearly, at this point, all organic, and as I mentioned in my earnings comments, we are ahead of schedule to achieve that objective and our attention -- that's why we're making these big investments now because I think we can stay ahead of schedule meeting that critical objective.

Joel Fishbein

Analyst · Lazard Capital

Great. And then the follow-up is just in terms of -- any more color on some of your partnerships that you have -- Lou made some comments about NetApp and Fujitsu, but love to get any more color that you can give in terms of how they're helping you expand your distribution and hit that billion-dollar target.

N. Hammer

Analyst · Lazard Capital

What I'll say first off is that our current enterprise sales execution and our current distribution capability is clearly providing above-target level results without those 2 additional partnerships, which is really gratifying. Fujitsu clearly is right on track or maybe a little bit ahead of their schedule. NetApp hit its objectives for the quarter, but over the longer term, it's slightly behind schedule, but we expect to see a significant step-up from NetApp in the March quarter.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Eric Martinuzzi of Craig-Hallum.

Eric Martinuzzi

Analyst · Eric Martinuzzi of Craig-Hallum

You broke up on the growth outlook commentary. Were you saying double-digit for FY '13, was that correct, Bob?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Eric Martinuzzi of Craig-Hallum

Correct.

Eric Martinuzzi

Analyst · Eric Martinuzzi of Craig-Hallum

Okay. And just given where we've -- if I could follow up or maybe bring it back to the current year, if I look at the organic growth, it's been very impressive, for the 9 months were a little over 30%. I know Street consensus number is about 16%, 17% for Q4. Is there any reason, at least top line, why that decel -- well, maybe I should ask it in a different way. What's your comfort level with The Street revenue estimate for your March quarter?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Eric Martinuzzi of Craig-Hallum

We are comfortable with The Street estimate for our March quarter.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jason Ader with William Blair.

Jason Ader

Analyst · Jason Ader with William Blair

I guess just on that last point. Bob, the last 2 fiscal years, you saw a sequential growth in Q4 actually below sequential growth in Q3, and I was wondering if you could comment on that and whether that's sort of a new pattern or just kind of nothing to -- no pattern to speak off. And then secondly, just on the new Simpana capabilities announced. Do you think that this could slow down the sales cycle at all because there's so much new that you guys have just made available and the customers need to evaluate it or do you view it as sort of not missing a beat?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Jason Ader with William Blair

Well, on the second point, we won't miss a beat, and it will clearly help us achieve our FY '13 objectives because these are substantial improvements to the platform. And we can talk about those a little bit more later. As far as the Q3, Q4, I mean, the issue is we had -- these are just comp issues, year-on-year comparative issues. As I said last quarter, the comps are tougher, and we had a very strong Q4 a year ago. So that's all it is. But the underlying strength of the business is definitely improved.

Jason Ader

Analyst · Jason Ader with William Blair

I guess the question is, would you normally expect Q4 to see the largest sequential growth in your fiscal year? Is that -- I mean, I guess, that was the way it was pre-recession. I look at the numbers, but the last 2 fiscal years...

N. Hammer

Analyst · Jason Ader with William Blair

I think we're achieving more consistent quarter-over-quarter growth rates. So I don't think the prior patterns, historical patterns, may not be as relevant because we are able to hit our targets, and you can see it in our DSO with higher visibility going into the next quarter.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Robert Breza with RBC Capital Markets.

Robert Breza

Analyst · Robert Breza with RBC Capital Markets

Bob, I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about the investments you're making here in Q4. You talked about increasing the high-touch sales force. Do you also plan to make additional distribution extension such as the NetApp relationship, Fujitsu, et cetera? When might we expect to see some of those announcements?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Robert Breza with RBC Capital Markets

Well, the key investments are in our field sales capacity and we are making -- and Al can talk about this here in a second, I'll let him comment on it. We are making significant investments in our field facing technical resources, and this includes our technical account management, solution architects. Those types of investments are critical for us to penetrate larger and larger enterprises globally. And outside our initiative here, we are executing it. And I'll let Al comment on it for a second.

Alan Bunte

Analyst · Robert Breza with RBC Capital Markets

Yes, Bob. What Bob said is quite accurate, of course. Again, we're trying to focus our investments on the technical side of the equation, particularly field facing or customer-facing type of resources out there and that includes the continuum of early presales guys, solution architects, as Bob mentioned, even our professional services organization and there we're also beefing up our capabilities, our enterprise offering. So it's a stream of resources and headcount fills that we're focused on for this quarter.

Robert Breza

Analyst · Robert Breza with RBC Capital Markets

Maybe a follow-up, Al, when you look at the capacity that you're adding, I'm wondering if you could kind of talk to us quantitatively about the capacity you're adding versus -- or as well as the productivity improvements you're seeing over the distribution. That would be helpful.

Alan Bunte

Analyst · Robert Breza with RBC Capital Markets

Well, I could, but I won't. We normally don't talk about those things, Rob. But it's -- you're right on the money is -- we think, particularly in the enterprise environment, these types of resources are critical to not only customer success and customer satisfaction, but our productivity, if that makes sense to you. And I mean, and it starts right from these POCs out there. They're complex, they're demanding and you need to have a strong contingent of technical resources right on hand there. So that's where the focus is going and that's where our investment's going.

N. Hammer

Analyst · Robert Breza with RBC Capital Markets

You're right on one other theme, Rob, and that is we have beat our productive -- internal productivity targets. So we're ahead of our objectives in that regard. And that comes from more effective execution from our sales force and much better distribution leverage, not only in the enterprise, but as Lou mentioned, we've gotten -- had now had really good success in the SMB market through inside sales, better distribution leverage. And Al and the team have worked on doing a much better job of bundling products and pricing for that segment of the market. So when you see well above 20% growth in SMB combined with the strength of our enterprise, that provides a lot of balance across the whole spectrum of customers and for data and information management.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Rajesh Ghai with ThinkEquity.

Rajesh Ghai

Analyst · Rajesh Ghai with ThinkEquity

A couple of questions on your capacity licensing model, if I may. Based on your experience over the past year and quarter since you launched Simpana 9, can you tell us what percent of deals are now involve the new pricing model? And how soon typically customers come back to augment capacity, the original capacity that they bought and how much has that addition typically been?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Rajesh Ghai with ThinkEquity

Yes. As Lou said, or I said, it's approximately 2/3 of our license revenue was capacity-based, and that has been increasing quarter-over-quarter. And the renewal on that, I don't think we have enough data yet to say again what that's going to look like, but clearly, customers are starting to add additional capacity from their original capacity-based licensing deals. And yes, it's still a little bit too early for us to comment on what that annuity is going to look like.

Rajesh Ghai

Analyst · Rajesh Ghai with ThinkEquity

On an average, how soon are they coming back, and typically, how much extra is that augmentation typically? Can you give us some ballpark numbers?

Louis Miceli

Analyst · Rajesh Ghai with ThinkEquity

Well, like Bob said, Rajesh, it's too early to say, so. Averages just don't mean much. Again, it's positive there, from what we've seen early on.

Rajesh Ghai

Analyst · Rajesh Ghai with ThinkEquity

Sure. So you typically have an 18-month development cycle. So we should put the release, the next major release around April 2012 timeframe. So given that you just announced some product announcements this morning related to Simpana 9, is that major cycle, the one that you're announcing today, or is there -- there's going to be something else that's going to come out in April?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Rajesh Ghai with ThinkEquity

I think what you're saying -- Rajesh, a good question. We are on a much -- we are on an accelerated release cycle. So we take Simpana 9, we released it and then there's a series of interim releases between the Simpana 9 and our next major platform release. And we'll have -- we'll continue to release additional enhancements to 9 throughout 2012 calendar. I would say that we are on track to probably release the next major platform a little bit earlier than the April timeframe you suggested, and it will be significant.

Rajesh Ghai

Analyst · Rajesh Ghai with ThinkEquity

Does that pose any risk to the current quarter if you have a major release come out in the fourth quarter?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Rajesh Ghai with ThinkEquity

No. I mean, we've never -- we've managed that really well in our 12-year history. And now we've got, I don't know, how many -- 30 major releases out there. We've never had a negative impact from our release, ever.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Aaron Rakers with Stifel, Nicolaus.

Aaron Rakers

Analyst · Aaron Rakers with Stifel, Nicolaus

First, I just want to understand one thing that was brought up earlier. Lou, you had mentioned about the FICA tax rate or tax implication. Can you remind me again what that was? And I believe when you guys non-GAAP the numbers, if that's included in what you back up from a non-GAAP operating margin basis, or put another way, if I heard you right, looks like that adds about a percentage point to the non-GAAP gross margin. I just want to understand how -- I'm thinking about that in the context of what that would therefore then imply. You're telling us on a non-adjusted, non-FICA impacted operating margin.

Louis Miceli

Analyst · Aaron Rakers with Stifel, Nicolaus

I was talking about GAAP numbers. I was talking about increases to our operating expenses. We have U.S. employees who reached the FICA limit early in the year. So what happens in the fourth quarter of January through March is the FICA comes back. So that's going add to our operating expenses incrementally over Q3, roughly $1.2 million.

Aaron Rakers

Analyst · Aaron Rakers with Stifel, Nicolaus

And so that is not the FICA expense that's backed out of the non-GAAP number?

Louis Miceli

Analyst · Aaron Rakers with Stifel, Nicolaus

That FICA expense is just related to stock option exercises. It has to do with the FAS-123(R) expenses.

Aaron Rakers

Analyst · Aaron Rakers with Stifel, Nicolaus

Okay. And then as a follow-up, clearly, you guys have a lot of traction in the enterprise deals and you're getting into larger deals, but one of the metrics you threw out there was a down enterprise number of deals, down, I think, 2% and 20% or something like that sequentially. Were there deals in the pipeline that at all kind of pushed out at the end of the quarter? Or can you give any context around that decline in the number of deals that you saw this last quarter?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Aaron Rakers with Stifel, Nicolaus

I think, what we said, Aaron, is our visibility improved, which basically implies that we have a strong pipeline of large deals going into Q4.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Turits of Raymond James.

Michael Turits

Analyst · Michael Turits of Raymond James

Michael Turits. Back on the seasonality question. Typically in the last couple of quarters, you've done kind of mid-single digits, 5-ish percent license growth into the fourth quarter. Is there any reason why whether it's because of the strong federal quarters or something else that we wouldn't see that typical kind of seasonality in the quarter?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Michael Turits of Raymond James

I think what we said, Michael, was that we're comfortable with Street consensus at this point.

Michael Turits

Analyst · Michael Turits of Raymond James

Okay. And on the services side, is there any reason why you should start to see better seasonality there in fourth quarter? In other words, are you starting to see more -- maybe more coterminous and early in the quarter renewals that would make that a stronger seasonal quarter-over-quarter rate in that fourth quarter?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Michael Turits of Raymond James

I don't think so. I mean, so the issue as we grow as a company, your 7-figure deals, for example, have a lower maintenance rate as a percent of sales attached to them. So you;ve got -- obviously, that whole deferred and maintenance growth rate has been going up dramatically because we're -- we got some very high license revenue growth. But no, I wouldn't imply that you get a kick, although, it's possible. If we have really, really good linearity, you might see some improvement there.

Michael Turits

Analyst · Michael Turits of Raymond James

Okay. And then the last question, when you said other uses of cash, not buybacks, not M&A, what you've used cash during the past, I would assume is more related to the channel. Anything you can tell us about what we should expect? I mean, is there another -- is your idea to make another big investment in the channel partnership that would require some cash?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Michael Turits of Raymond James

No. No. No. But we do have some opportunities for additional channel leverage besides the ones that we have today. We may be able to talk about it on the next couple of quarters.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Glenn Hanus with Needham.

Glenn Hanus

Analyst · Glenn Hanus with Needham

Just maybe you could spend just a minute on the R&D investments in the near term here. Are you also accelerating that? And can you talk to the extent you're willing a little bit more about the pipeline and what kinds of capabilities to expect from you as you roll out further enhancements to Simpana 9 and then Simpana 10.

N. Hammer

Analyst · Glenn Hanus with Needham

Right. The reason I didn't mention those things on this call was that I just didn't want to confuse the message with the R2 release today. We will comment a lot more on those in our next earnings call. I'll tell you that Al and the team have done an awesome job here of accelerating innovation. And I'll just leave it at that. But on a relative basis, our pipeline of innovation is up substantially, and Al is increasing investment in dev to accommodate that. I don't know if you want to -- help me out, just give a little broader commentary on where we're going here on data information, not in terms of scale or just some things -- areas that we're focusing on.

Alan Bunte

Analyst · Glenn Hanus with Needham

Yes. Glenn, Bob's right. We're cranking up our investment a little bit more on R&D. Our overriding objective going forward is to put distance between us and our competitors. I mean, myself, my dev teams, my product teams, that's our objective. And again, as Bob is alluding, we're seeing a lot of opportunities around -- particularly around the dynamics Bob talked about. You have this continuing march of data growth out there, and so a lot of things we do were focused on scale and performance. You're also seeing an increasing need and awareness and openness to be able to use that data. So ideas around analytics and access to that information are all driving parts of our innovations and product and technologies going forward. So on a broad basis, that's what we're doing and that's what we're trying to do.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brian Freed with Wunderlich Securities.

Brian Freed

Analyst · Brian Freed with Wunderlich Securities

I wanted to get a little bit more clarification around your guidance. You guys have expressed comfort with consensus which is about $105 million. And as I -- I tried to apply the 100% growth -- 100 basis point gross margin improvement for the year, that implies about 180 basis point sequential decline in Q4, about $2.9 million in incremental OpEx and and EPS of $0.24, consensus is 27. Am I applying that all right?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Brian Freed with Wunderlich Securities

I think your math is correct.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Aaron Schwartz with Jefferies.

Aaron Schwartz

Analyst · Aaron Schwartz with Jefferies

I don't know if this is for Bob or Al. But you guys are talking more about analytics in intelligent decision-making and solutions in that area. If you move forward with this, do you think you need to sell to different folks within the enterprise and sort of broaden those relationships or would you still sell to the same relationships that you have?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Aaron Schwartz with Jefferies

So the key -- think about it conceptually. First, you've got to get data off the front end, as Al suggested. There's massive scale. You got to find ways to get data off sufficiently. And so when we talk about SnapProtect and then combining the archive function with backup and then moving it into a universal repository, that's your foundation for any, I call it, information-based applications. And it's unique in the industry in terms of scale, performance, process -- and ability to do it efficiently from a cost standpoint. And then as Al mentioned, you've got to get the data back in a very efficient way. And we're doing -- we -- those innovations that we're talking about this morning are dramatic improvements of what's traditionally been used in the industry. Once you've got it in the -- you've got yourself control of the content, now you've got a repository where you can -- where you put analytics and start to provide vertical solutions to solve real business problems within the enterprise, in addition to your compliance, legal and ediscovery requirements. So the answer is, yes. Once you start to move into vertical and to solutions, you're now starting to sell to other functions within the enterprise, absolutely, which implies new channels, new overlays, verticalization as the company, over the next few years, transitions to that type of value add. So a lot of implications with that. The good news is that our underlying business is strong and we built the foundation from which to transition the company over the next 3 to 5 years to a much higher value added, higher growth segments of the market in a way that nobody else can do.

Aaron Schwartz

Analyst · Aaron Schwartz with Jefferies

That's helpful. And then, Lou, on the cash flow, the collections are extremely good in the quarter. You talked about the linearity. Was there anything -- did, you just have a very large transaction early on the quarter? Is there any more color you can provide on through the strong collections?

Louis Miceli

Analyst · Aaron Schwartz with Jefferies

No. Just better linearity and good collections.

N. Hammer

Analyst · Aaron Schwartz with Jefferies

It wasn't just a few transactions. It was across-the-board better linearity.

Aaron Schwartz

Analyst · Aaron Schwartz with Jefferies

Okay. And one more for me, if I could. But a few people have asked about the cash. Maybe I'll try a different angle here, but should we expect any sort of sizable cash outlay for either sort of headquarter expansion or something in that context if you continue to hire?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Aaron Schwartz with Jefferies

We are clearly running out of space here, and we do have to do something about it. And that's one of the areas we are exploring, which is a new headquarters. But that's in a exploratory phase. But at the growth rate, if you think about where we are today with, let's call it a -- with consensus, around a $400 million company going to $1 billion, when you get there, and it's going to happen in the relatively near future, then we;ve got to do something about our headquarters.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Gary Spivak with Noble Financial Group.

Gary Spivak

Analyst · Gary Spivak with Noble Financial Group

Most of my questions have been answered. But I wanted to ask, Bob, to the extent that there are disruptions in supply for disk drives and storage manufacturers, how do we think of that as exposure for you? How much is sold alongside storage and is it actually a positive benefit in that its prices need to now get by with more with what they have?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Gary Spivak with Noble Financial Group

It's both. Enterprises always have to get by with less, right? And then -- so that -- every enterprise is looking to reduce cost and reduce their spend on storage. So that is underlying demand requirement in the industry. In regard to disk drive shortages, last quarter we saw none. There are some of the storage vendors that are seeing some disruption in disk supply. It has minimal or no impact on us, but it's not 0. There's -- some of the storage suppliers have seen some disruption in supply. But it hasn't affected our ability to hit our objectives. And I think, we're about -- I think we have one more quarter of that and I think we're over it, so.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Rob Owens with Pacific Crest Securities.

Rob Owens

Analyst · Rob Owens with Pacific Crest Securities

Could you guys give us a little more color on the formation of the ECS practice? And should be view this as normal evolution of the business or has to do more with the increased complexity around Simpana 9 and some of the new functionality or has a lack of pro services been a gating factor in your opinion on driving license growth? And I guess, secondarily, as you look out over the next couple of years, how much should professional services contribute to revenue?

Alan Bunte

Analyst · Rob Owens with Pacific Crest Securities

I guess there are several questions in there. Around the Enterprise Consulting Services that we put out there, I think that's primarily a response to more and more activity in the enterprise segment. We wanted to improve our products, products being defined as services offerings here in that environment, get more consultive, get more architectural, get more trusted-adviser-like in our capabilities there. We have the talent. We just needed to develop the programs. I wouldn't say -- I wouldn't necessarily agree with your comment that we've had a lack of PS offerings in the past or that it's impacted or held down any of our growth. Again, it's more a function of the focus into enterprise environments. And we think we're well positioned to take advantage of our position and our capabilities.

N. Hammer

Analyst · Rob Owens with Pacific Crest Securities

I'd add that Al has done a lot of work on just the process of ensuring that our customers have the right solutions to find implemented and managed in the most effective way. And that requires, I'd say, significant upgrades to the resources we apply whether it's solution architects or technical account managers and the way and the process they're deployed. So Al and the team has done a lot of work on this over the past 12 months, understand it, determine what's required and then develop and implement a strategy which we're executing right now. In addition, we've seen large acceleration in our penetration of enterprise accounts. And as Al mentioned, without acceleration, you got to have the resources to make sure that we can service these accounts in a proper way, from upfront design of -- the right solution to solve their core enterprise and data implementation management problems.

Rob Owens

Analyst · Rob Owens with Pacific Crest Securities

Just in terms of overall revenue contribution, is the expectation over the next few years this will remain small or could we see this be 10% type of revenue item 2 years out?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Rob Owens with Pacific Crest Securities

It could be a 10% revenue item 2 years out.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Joel Fishbein with Lazard.

Joel Fishbein

Analyst · Joel Fishbein with Lazard

Sorry, I know you thought you were done with me, but I just have a quick follow-up because I think there's a little bit of confusion over the EPS guidance. I was hoping you that you might be able to help me out. I know you don't give specific guidance, but I think one of the analysts asked you about his math and whether the math is right. But I've done the math a little bit differently, and I can -- doing, coming in -- staying in line with your comments, I can still be at $0.27 for 4Q. And I want to make sure that my math is okay as well.

N. Hammer

Analyst · Joel Fishbein with Lazard

Yes, I mean, I think what we're saying, Joel, is that the 100 basis point guide implies sequential down. As Lou said, we could do better but we are making big investments, and we think it's a prudent guide. I don't know if that's helpful for you.

Joel Fishbein

Analyst · Joel Fishbein with Lazard

Right. Okay. But again, I just wanted -- not to beat a dead horse, but your year-over-year revenue growth assumptions by The Street are roughly 18% year-over-year in Q4. You've always done better in Q4. I know you're up running against tougher comps. You've -- and that implies that even if you take the numbers, the operating -- you spend more money. It's tough to spend that much money in a quarter, but even if you do ramp up the spending that even with the lower operating margin, higher revenue, that you're still going to be flat to up on an EPS basis?

N. Hammer

Analyst · Joel Fishbein with Lazard

I think, we would -- the implication is flat to down, not flat to up, in terms of the math. . .

Operator

Operator

At this time, we have no further questions. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.