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Commercial Vehicle Group, Inc. (CVGI)

Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 8, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Commercial Vehicle Group Q3 2019 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions]I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Kirk Feiler, Vice President of Corporate Development and Investor Relations. Please go ahead sir.

Kirk Feiler

Analyst

Thank you, Jessa, and welcome to our conference call. Joining me on the call today are Patrick Miller, President and Chief Executive Officer of Commercial Vehicle Group and Tim Trenary, Chief Financial Officer. They will provide a brief company update as well as commentary regarding our third quarter 2019 financial results. We will then open the call up for questions. This conference call is being webcast and a supplemental earnings presentation is available on our website. Both may contain forward-looking statements, including, but not limited to expectations for future periods regarding market trends, cost-saving initiatives and new product initiatives among others.Actual results may differ from anticipated results because of certain risks and uncertainties. These risks and uncertainties may include, but are not limited to economic conditions in the markets in which CVG operates, fluctuations in the production volumes of vehicles for which CVG is a supplier, financial covenant compliance and liquidity, risks associated with conducting business in foreign countries and currencies and other risks as detailed in our SEC filings.And now, Pat Miller with a brief company update.

Patrick Miller

Analyst

Thank you, Kirk. Good morning everyone. Operationally, our third quarter 2019 shaped up as expected, with improved productivity on basically flat revenues versus prior year, driven by strength in the North American heavy and medium-duty truck markets. The higher truck sales were offset by continued lower sales in Asia Pacific construction market and now some softness in North American and European construction markets as well.We continue to manage some ongoing cost challenges and experienced onetime impacts related to the recent acquisition. Taken together, these items have resulted in a decrease in operating income as compared to the third quarter of 2018. As we discussed, the mitigating actions we've taken which Tim will talk about in his comments have lessened the impact sequentially.Importantly, during the third quarter, we announced the strategic acquisition of the assets of First Source Electronics or FSE, an electronic system integrator which will further enhance our abilities and positioning in the Electrical Systems segment for growth. FSE complements our high complexity low to medium volume electrical business while extending our customer and market diversification. We expect FSE to be a strong growth contributor to the company. We are just over a month into the integration and we are very pleased with how well the business and sales book for FSE are progressing.We were able to retain key employees, who are excited and engaged and we have met with various customers to introduce CVG's capabilities. We have begun to lay the groundwork for cross-selling opportunities. FSE's customers have responded positively to our global footprint and have expressed interest in our electrical segment capabilities.We are finding that their customer base, which is predominantly in industrial automation, military and transportation has additional needs that can be supported by other areas of CVG. We have a 100-day plan that we are…

Tim Trenary

Analyst

Thank you, Pat. Third quarter 2019 consolidated revenues were $225.4 million in line with the prior year period of $225 million. Continued strength in the North American heavy and medium-duty truck markets was mostly offset by weakness in the global construction markets we serve. FSE which was acquired late in the quarter contributed $2.5 million to revenues. Foreign currency translation adversely impacted third quarter consolidated revenues by $2.1 million or by 0.9% when compared to the prior year period.Consolidated operating income for the third quarter of 2019 was $13.2 million or 5.9% of sales compared to $16.2 million or 7.2% of sales in the prior year period. The decrease in operating income largely resulted from inflationary pressure on material and labor costs and an increase in SG&A. Cost control and cost recovery actions reduced the impact on gross profit at these pressures.The Border Minimum Wage in Mexico, costs associated with a troubled supplier and manufacturing investments impacted third quarter results by approximately $1.1 million. The impact of these costs on the company have moderated. SG&A expenses in the third quarter were $17.5 million compared to $15.6 million in the prior year period.This increase largely resulted from $0.7 million of costs associated with a strategic reorganization of the company earlier in the year to develop a platform from which to pursue business and corporate development activities. Additionally, third quarter SG&A expenses include $0.9 million of transaction costs associated with the FSE acquisition.Interest and other expense was $3.8 million in the third quarter of 2019 compared to $3.4 million in the third quarter of 2018. This increase is primarily the result of the mark-to-market of the interest rate swap agreements, partially offset by lower interest expense. Consolidated net income in the third quarter of 2019 was $8.5 million or $0.28 per diluted…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Mike Shlisky from Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

Good morning, gentlemen.

Patrick Miller

Analyst

Hi, Mike.

Tim Trenary

Analyst

Hi, Mike.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

So I know it's early you just bought FSE not too long ago, but can you give us a sense because you've been to the facility of short or recently. Anything you can tell us about the culture there how you think it fits? Also do you think there's any operation changes that have been made there as far as their footprint? And also are there any earlier forecasts as to what you can get as far as synergies from the deal?

Patrick Miller

Analyst

Okay. So let's start with the first part here culture and the fit. So part of the reason that we made the acquisition is because we liked the culture there. They have a very -- a great relationships and rapport partnerships with their customer base. And when we interviewed the customers during diligence it was pretty incredible to hear them talk about their relationship.We are borrowing some of their methods and methodologies. I mentioned a little bit in my earlier remarks about the way that they have rapid response. They're able to satisfy customer needs in short-cycle type projects, which tend to really fit with some of the other parts of our business. And so we are adopting some of their capabilities and trying to transform around.As far as the footprint goes, their footprint we've been in the midst of even expanding just where they are with some of the work that they have upcoming. We don't see any major changes to their footprint. What we do see even in early days is some synergy on supply components from some of our other facilities so being able to in-source some things not purchase them.And also some of their newer customers which are still in the works we may have some landed cost effort that we can do from some of our other locations. So there is no major changes expected to their operation. What we're trying to do is ensure that we have a light-touch integration that allows them to keep the momentum going that they have going.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

Okay. And can you tell us how does FSE fit into your long-term framework of 20% to 25% operating pull-through for the broader company? Are they in the same bandwidth there? And if not do you think you can get them there?

Tim Trenary

Analyst

So the question Mike is whether FSE's pull-through variable contribution margin financial performance is similar to the company is with right now is that the question?

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

Yes. And if not can you eventually make that happen?

Tim Trenary

Analyst

It's pretty simple. It's very comparable to our current, sort of, financial profile and more specifically the variable contribution margin.

Patrick Miller

Analyst

In the electrical segment.

Tim Trenary

Analyst

In the electrical segment.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

Okay. Fair enough. And now just moving on to the broader CVG guide. Can you give us a little bit more color on the troubled supplier issue? I guess I'm kind of curious what's changed from last quarter to this quarter what have you done to kind of mitigate the impact here?

Tim Trenary

Analyst

Well, not a lot has changed except for one thing. The supplier remains in Chapter 11 reorganization. The supplier continues to develop its plan of reorganization and the company our company continues to negotiate with the supplier in good faith to arrive at a long-term supply agreement. What -- and so what we're really waiting for is the plan of reorganization and the culmination of the negotiations on that long-term supply agreement.What has changed Mike is that, the company CVG has been working with the supplier to stabilize -- help the suppliers to stabilize its manufacturing operations and more specifically, its supply to our facility in Kings Mountain.The supply instabilities over primarily, the first, second and a little bit into the third quarter were adversely affecting our manufacturing operations and productivity. So we've managed to work with the supplier to reduce the impact of it on the company. And that's largely what has reduced the impact to date.

Patrick Miller

Analyst

I think, I would just add one thing to Tim's comment.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

Okay.

Patrick Miller

Analyst

Working with the supplier we were able to resource some parts of that business that they were not performing so well on. And that was part of the improvement into other supply channels and partners, so all of those things help contribute to our improvement, on our side, on the productivity side, and the quality and delivery, from the supply chain. Also helped mitigate our...

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

Okay. Also you mentioned, the NACV Show in the slides and in your comments and I'm glad it went so well, so many follow-up offline about some of the class that were shown there. But that was a Q4 show.So from a modeling perspective, are there any elevated marketing costs we need to know in for Q4? And then similarly, is there anything you need to be modeling in during Q1 for the CONEXPO Show that's only, I think once every three years?

Patrick Miller

Analyst

You mean from a cost standpoint?

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

Correct, the cost standpoint.

Patrick Miller

Analyst

Yeah. No. I think that was well within our normal running rate. The show doesn't -- being in Atlanta it doesn't cost us too much to get our team there. And put our booths together. We do most of the work ourselves and in-house. So I don't think that's material really.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

Okay and the same thing for CONEXPO coming up in the first quarter?

Patrick Miller

Analyst

I would say the same thing for CONEXPO.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

Okay, perfect. Maybe one last one for me, I guess, I'm just -- kind of a broader view Pat do you think that both in trucks as well as construction. If next year is more of a year of equipment used rather than buying new equipment, do you think that there are some additional opportunities for aftermarket next year?

Patrick Miller

Analyst

Well we're always working on our aftermarket business to further that side of the company. We have been having some success. And in the actual pull-through side and our fleet support with some of the bigger fleets out there. We continue to emphasize that side.I count that as aftermarket because of the -- that's the same group really that participates there. But when we look at -- I've -- historically for our product lines we've not seen large increases or decreases on the aftermarket side in relationship to the build rates on the OEM side.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

Okay, okay. Fair enough. I leave it there guys. I'll back in a queue. Thank you so much.

Patrick Miller

Analyst

Thank you, Mike.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] There are no further questions -- oh! We have a follow-up question from Mike Shlisky from Dougherty & Company. Please go ahead.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

Hey guys. Well if it's just me, I'll ask one or two more, if you don't mind. I'm not sure. But let me just ask one other one here. So I do appreciate that the FSE deal was a good-sized deal. It's great to see it. But I assume you do have some more room on the balance sheet.You have more room in debt agreements. You have some more room hopefully some good free cash flow coming if inventories are reduced across the entire channel at some point over the next couple of quarters.Could you give us a sense as to whether you might pursue something additional in the near-term? And if so, what kind of companies are you currently looking at these days?

Tim Trenary

Analyst

Hi. It's Tim, Mike. We're very pleased with the establishment of the business and corporate development function earlier in the year. We thought it was a wonderful investment of resources and believed that the acquisition of FSE is a reflection of that belief.Accordingly, we – notwithstanding, that the cycle is going to turn here a little bit we intend to continue to maintain that investment in that group. And that group is very small group. I shouldn't say group. It's really two people. Or I continue to be focused on flushing out possible opportunities for the company.I would say that the opportunities that we're looking for are exactly like that which gave rise to FSE. So we will continue to explore those possible opportunities, develop the M&A pipeline. And we will see what comes out of that.I do hope something of -- some value-accretive opportunity comes out of it. And with respect to the balance sheet and the company's financing have any possible acquisition, we'll evaluate how best to undertake that at that time.

Patrick Miller

Analyst

I would just…

Tim Trenary

Analyst

Sure.

Patrick Miller

Analyst

… add a little color. So as we have -- we feel like we've got a pretty good handle, on the types of categories that we are filtering through our system. And as we look at the technology road map and where we're at with our electrical and electronics business and the kinds of things that could help facilitate more participation in that.So, in and around that space, is certainly one of our criteria points. And as we see that, the market continue to develop electric and electronic the traditional markets that we're in, are pursuing electric and electronic controlled mechanical devices within their equipment these subsystems.It is going to continue to foster opportunities for us, both inorganically but also organically. So we have also made some of the investments in what I would call evolutionary products to what we do today to help fill some of those needs. So I think we're on the right path. And if the right opportunity presents itself then we would try to move forward.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

And on the organic front and you did put some commentary out there last quarter. I didn't hear much of the same this quarter. Where there any appreciable new contract or new platform or kind of new customer wins that we should be kind of aware of in the quarter?

Patrick Miller

Analyst

Well I think, we mentioned a few things. I don't know that they've been -- we're in a position to be able to announce certain wins. But I thought a couple of them were worth mentioned anecdotally, related to some of the new technology.So what we're seeing is opportunities to get involved with the electric-driven powertrain vehicles. And so we've had -- we have a couple of pieces of business now in and around that space. And as we can tell more publicly we will.And we also have a lot of interactions with some of the new OEMs that are coming into the scene. I think it stands to be determined, how they progress. But we feel it's very important that we're involved with them at an early stage. And help them with anything that we can do, within our portfolio.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

Great stuff, perhaps one last one and this is for Tim here. So that's my other question about free cash and inventories. If you're going into a downturn or a lighter environment a more normalized Class eight environments at the very least in 2020.Do you anticipate any liquidation of the working capital? Could you give us any kind of sizing as to what you think you might see if they were take place?

Tim Trenary

Analyst

Yes. We absolutely do intend to harvest some working capital off the balance sheet where we've a demonstrated ability to do so. In terms of the magnitude of that, Mike. One -- I think, the best way to look at this simplest way, and I think an effective way in terms of a high level modeling is to assume that the working capital, the company's working capital receivables plus inventory, plus the payables, is approximately 15% to 16% of the trailing annual sales, okay.So as we go into this down cycle, it doesn't happen immediately, especially with respect to the inventory. And obviously the receivables and the payables trail depending on the terms.But we will endeavor to manage that working capital down harvest it off the balance sheet, turn it into cash at the rate of about 15% to 16%, at trailing 12-month sales.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

And do you take that cash and do you basically go right to your debt to flex it up and down? Or is there a different use that you see for that kind of cash going forward?

Tim Trenary

Analyst

It's -- okay. So, we're a global company obviously, and so some of that harvesting will occur in the foreign affiliates very round numbers, 75% of the companies domestic 25% foreign. So about 3/4 of that cash will sit on the balance sheet, the balance sheet in the U.S. entities. And at this point in time, the plan is to leave it there for the moment and use it for general corporate activities including possibly some M&A -- an M&A opportunity if it presents itself.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst

So, let's hope that the harvesting is only temporary, guys. Thank you so much for the answers. Appreciate it.

Tim Trenary

Analyst

Thank you, Mike.

Patrick Miller

Analyst

Thanks Mike for joining.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Howe from Barrington Research. Please go ahead.

Chris Howe

Analyst

Good morning, everyone.

Tim Trenary

Analyst

Hi, Chris.

Patrick Miller

Analyst

Good morning, Chris.

Chris Howe

Analyst

Good morning. No specific order, just starting with some of the commentary you made about power systems high-speed data, high-voltage and then your follow-on comments with regard to industries served. Can you dig a little bit deeper, perhaps talk more about which areas, whether it be by system type or industry served where you're seeing greater acceleration versus the others? And which environments provide perhaps greater opportunity for gaining market share?

Patrick Miller

Analyst

Okay. I don't know that I can compare the industries as far as the speed of conversion. But what we see is very similar activities whether it’d be some of our current traditional vehicle builders or whether it's an industrial applications, but as you move to more electronically controlled automation either on the industrial side or electronically controlled mechanical systems inside a particular vehicle, it is driving the need for higher voltage systems, which results in needing high-voltage cable -- cabling which is some of the investments that we've been making here recently are developing better capabilities to help support that growth.When we look at each of these systems now generating information and communicating with the various systems within a vehicle or within the architecture of an industrial project, then now you've got to have data cables, coaxial cables of different types running between those things. And so, it's proliferating the need for that type of application. So, that's within our traditional business. When we see -- we have done in the past some control panel, building and FSE brings a skill set in that arena.And so most of these things require, varying sizes and complexity depending on what the application is of the control panels. And all of those things are just proliferating. So, I'm not sure I can give you comments about the speed of which area is growing the fastest as far as those items are concerned. But what we see is it's very similar. The OEMs making vehicles are driving toward that type of space, and it's creating certain types of requirements for products that maybe -- might have -- some of have existed but not in the same quantities.We see shorter-term opportunities in some of the new markets that we're targeting because of the project faster. Right, the lead time is shorter. So things like the industrial automation space is moving very rapidly, as these large logistic companies convert their warehouses to automating -- material handling systems. We're seeing the same thing with some of the smaller OEMs as they move toward their systems. So, traditionally I think our larger customers are trying to move quickly, but their systems tend to have a bit of a lag just inherent in the validation and testing for their type of equipment.So, I think from a -- how fast it can impact us in a positive way, some of these other areas and segments that we're getting into probably have a shorter cycle where they can help us and help us participate in that revenue generation.

Chris Howe

Analyst

Okay. Okay. And you talked about -- just following-up on some of the previous questions that were asked. The variable contribution margin of FSE being similar to the business within Electrical Systems, can you comment on the M&A environment? In other words, what type of opportunities would represent superior variable contribution margins to Electrical Systems? Are those opportunities out there? Or should we look at the recent acquisition? It's kind of a benchmark plus or minus. What's normal in the industry for electrical systems?

Tim Trenary

Analyst

Well, that's a broad question. Now here's the way I think I would answer it. The portfolio of opportunities that we're looking at they vary, but they're not -- they don't vary dramatically. So what I would suggest Chris is if you want to sort of think about how any future acquisition might impact the company's variable contribution margin. For the moment, I would assume that it would be comparable.

Patrick Miller

Analyst

I would -- I understand what Tim is saying here. But I would also add that as we move up that technology curve and the real differentiator is whether you are inputting software -- developing software inside the hardware. And so, we are mostly on the hardware side of things today even though we may -- FSE may interact on the software side. They're not necessarily owners or the IP of that software.As you move up that curve, just maybe another notch, you start to see some licensed control software. And when you get into that the margins do get better. And so I think that as we grow our capability, I think there's opportunities for that. But certainly when you're on the other side, it's in the range of where we are.

Chris Howe

Analyst

Okay. Okay. And also on FSE, you mentioned your revenue mix before -- between industrial, military and transport. Can you talk about this revenue mix and how you see it evolving over time, specifically within commercial vehicle groups FSE and for the business as a whole?

Patrick Miller

Analyst

Well, I'm not sure that we have. Today, I think their revenue mix is more heavily weighted toward the industrial automation side. That is a very -- a dynamic market right now. And therefore they get -- they're getting a bigger growth side. Their growth is skewed towards that side. They continue to participate in the military as well. And so I think those -- I think we've shared this publicly a little bit of a split of where they're at. And so today that Industrial automation side is growing, and so it continues to remain a bigger part of their pie. We think as we start to share customer basis we may see some pickup for them on the transportation side. And we would hope to see the opposite effect for the core CVG business.

Chris Howe

Analyst

Okay, great. That’s all I have for now, and I hop back in the queue. Thanks.

Patrick Miller

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I turn the call back over to Mr. Miller for closing remarks.

Patrick Miller

Analyst

Okay. Well, I want to thank everybody for joining the call today. We've got some challenges, which we've discussed today, but I think we've demonstrated in the past, we understand how to manage those challenges. And we're doing a lot of the right things as we believe to follow our strategy as the markets that we're pursuing tend to -- are tending to grow. So, look forward to future opportunities, discuss those with you and have a nice day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.