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Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 3, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Cubic Corporation's Third Quarter Fiscal Year 2017 Earnings Conference Call. At this all time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Today's webcast includes a slide presentation as part of the formal presentation followed by a question-and-answer session. You can advance the slide deck by using the left and right arrows located at the top of your screen. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. If anyone has any objections, you may disconnect at any time. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Diane Dyer. Cubic's Director of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Diane Dyer

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining Cubic’s webcast. Today, after market closed, we reported our third quarter fiscal year 2017 results. We encourage you to refer to the company's press release and the most recent reports filed with the SEC as well as today's presentation slides. You can access these documents on the Investor Relations tab of Cubic's Web site at www.cubic.com, or on the SEC's Web site. On today’s call, Brad Feldmann, Cubic's President and CEO; and Jay Thomas, Executive Vice President and CFO will comment on Cubic’s third quarter 2017 results. Please note that certain information discussed on the call today is covered under the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. I caution listeners that during this call, Cubic management will be making forward-looking statements about future events or Cubic's future financial and operating performance. Actual results could differ materially from those stated or implied by these forward-looking statements due to risks and uncertainties associated with the company's business. These forward-looking statements should be considered in conjunction with, and are qualified by, the cautionary statements contained in Cubic's earnings press release and SEC filings, including its annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. This conference call contains time-sensitive information that is accurate only as of the date of this broadcast, August 3, 2017. Cubic undertakes no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of this conference call. This conference call also includes a discussion of non-GAAP financial measures as that term is defined in Regulation G. Cubic believes this information is useful to investors because it provides a basis for measuring the company's available capital resources, the actual and forecasted operating performance of the company's business, and the company's cash flows. Any discussion of non-GAAP financial measures is not intended to detract from the importance of comparable GAAP measures. Having that said, I'll turn the call over to Brad Feldmann, our President and CEO.

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

Thank you, Diane. Thank you everyone for joining us on the call. Today, I’ll begin with highlights of a year-to-date financial performance, review of the increased investments in our transportation business and an update on our strategy. Following that, Jay Thomas, our CFO will discuss our quarterly financial results in greater detail. Starting with Slide 3. Sales for the first three quarters were $1.040 billion, up $6 million on a constant currency basis. Adjusted EBITDA was $55.4 million compared to $82.3 million last year, net of $3 million foreign currency exchange headwinds. I will summarize the incremental investments we have made to grow our transportation business on the next slide. Following the approval of the DoD budget in May, we look forward to a strong finish this fiscal year driven by increased C4ISR product sales in mission solutions and approved financial performance in our transportation business. We remain very confident in our bid for the New York City New Fare Payment System. The New York MTA has recently expanded the scope of the contract to include both Long Island Railroad and Metro North. And we expect an award decision in the near term. As announced, October 1 Jay Thomas, our Chief Financial Officer will transition to an executive advisory role focused on corporate growth initiatives. Jay has had an enormous impact on the success of the corporation during his nearly four decades of service, and I want to thank Jay for his valuable insights and for his counsel. Thank you, Jay. Anshooman Aga, who recently joined us from AECOM will succeed Jay as CFO. We are very pleased to Anshooman on board and we welcome him to the Cubic senior leadership team. Turning to Slide 4. I want to outline the significant investments we have made in our transportation business.…

Jay Thomas

Analyst

Thanks, Brad. Please turn to Slide 6, and I will discuss our consolidated operating highlights. Sales were virtually flat for the nine months ended June 30 compared to last year after consideration of FX headwinds totaling 20.3 million. Sales increased in defense systems but were down slightly in our defense services and transportation segments. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA was 55.4 million year-to-date, down from 82.3 million last year. The biggest impact to profitability was a 20.6 million increase in R&D spending led by major investments in transportation. Our year-to-date expense for our new ERP system was 23.6 million compared to 24.4 million last year. We expect to complete the implementation phase on this new system by midyear FY '18. Our operating income has been impacted by our investment in our new ERP system over the last few years and from recent acquisitions. These investments have mostly impacted our U.S. income and we’ve had three years of U.S. GAAP losses, which has resulted in a U.S. deferred tax valuation allowance. Because of the deferred tax valuation allowance, we are not showing tax benefit for U.S. GAAP losses in our tax expense line. Current U.S. cash taxes are virtually nil. In Q3, due to the sensitivity of tax expense to small changes in our forecasted U.S. GAAP income, we changed to a discrete provision method to calculate our U.S. income taxes and this resulted in a net expense of 17.8 million or $0.66 per share. Year-to-date, we’ve recorded a 5.7 million tax expense against a pre-tax GAAP loss of 18.6 million which includes income tax on our foreign income and no tax benefits from our U.S. GAAP losses. Now please turn to Slide 7. Transportation sales were flat year-over-year after adjusting for FX headwinds of 21.6 million. Q3 sales were down compared to…

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

Thank you, Jay, and thank you once more for your great contributions to Cubic as a counselor to several CEOs, including our legendary founder. Now turning to Slide 11. In summary, our strategy is sound and we remain confident that our investments will yield accelerating growth and expanding margins for the company. We expect a very strong finish to our fiscal year led by C4ISR product shipments, improved transportation business performance and strong order intake. Our ERP implementation is advancing on pace and will provide us with a solid foundation for first-class processes and efficiency. We anticipate solid growth throughout FY '18 with the expected New York City Fare Payment System award, further expansion in the fare collection market with our OneAccount advantage and with the transition of the T2C2 program to full rate production. We are satisfied with our progress toward achieving goal 2020. In closing, I’d like to thank my Cubic teammates for their hard work and many contributions, increasing shareholder value and to the investor community for our ongoing partnership as we continue to grow Cubic. Now, let’s proceed to the Q&A session.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from the line of Julian Mitchell from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Julian Mitchell

Analyst

Hi. Thank you. Thanks, Jay, for all the help down the years and good luck in the new role.

Jay Thomas

Analyst

Thank you.

Julian Mitchell

Analyst

Just a first question I guess around the toll market entry costs. I think people understand that a lot of the year-on-year headwinds are investment related but it can be difficult from the outside to see the sort of path and scale of the returns on those investments. So maybe on the toll market one specifically, give us an update of how quickly we should see a return on that investment and what the addressable opportunity is?

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

Julian, this is Brad. How are you?

Julian Mitchell

Analyst

Good. Thank you.

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

There are a number of opportunities both in the U.S. and Australia that we have proposals now and the number of opportunities is hundreds of millions of dollars. So I would expect in the next couple of years we’ll get our money back.

Julian Mitchell

Analyst

Understood. Thank you. And then maybe a second around the – it looks like the free cash flow for the year as a whole may end up coming in negative. How do we think about the pace of what that can rebound over 12 or 18 months?

Jay Thomas

Analyst

So you can see what’s kind of happened here is as we get sort of backend loaded, so we’ve got a lot of stuff sitting in inventory that will ship in the fourth quarter. So that should translate into positive cash flow as we move into Q1 of '18. So I think it’s just the cycle quarter-to-quarter based on the backend loading for a lot of shipments that we’re seeing with this DoD.

Julian Mitchell

Analyst

Thanks. And lastly I guess for me just defense services, obviously the margins have been under pressure partly because of the top line trend. Are there any measures you can enact to improve profitability in defense services, or it’s really just a question now of waiting for that top line to turn up?

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

Yes, I think it was mostly a top line issue. There are some contracts that we’re specifically working at improving the profitability. But I’d say overall it’s a top line issue and it’s a scale issue.

Jay Thomas

Analyst

We’ve just seen bid cycles on contracts take anywhere from six to nine months. There’s a lot of protesting going on, on jobs where you’re competing against others.

Julian Mitchell

Analyst

Understood. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ken Herbert from Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Ken Herbert

Analyst

Hi, Brad. And congratulations as well, Jay.

Jay Thomas

Analyst

Thank you.

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

Hi, Ken.

Ken Herbert

Analyst

Hi. Just wanted to start off first on New York City opportunity. It seems like the scope is expanding. First, can you maybe help quantify that for us in terms of – obviously you’re making some additional investment as you talked about 2 billion for both New York and Boston combined I think. But how much individually has New York expanded?

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

The total contract I believe will be over 1 billion and I think it will expand further. So it is increasing. Boston is a key opportunity. We’re also working hard in Brisbane which could be also another $1 billion. There’s an opportunity in San Francisco where we’re the incumbent. So in the short to midterm we see very good organic growth within CTS. The investments we’re making, some of them have to do with moving the company from a program simplicity to product simplicity and we believe by increasing our reusability, we’ll be able to drive margin going forward as well.

Ken Herbert

Analyst

Okay. That’s helpful. And specifically for New York in the investments, do the inbound on investments partially – obviously you’ve talked about the reorganization there. Are there at all reflective of maybe incremental competitive pressure and maybe incremental cost you didn’t anticipate to win the bid or is it really just the organization and then maybe just obviously being able to deal with an expanded scope. How would you help characterize the additional investments putting into the bid process?

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

So I think we’re very confident on our ability to win that job because we’re being incumbent. So really what we’re doing is we’re building some of the technologies in advance so that we get a jumpstart on the schedule, which takes off risk once we’re under our way. So when we get that contract, we have a team in place and they’re already going and they’re working hard and we’ll have the chalks [ph] very well on that job and reduce risk for everyone.

Ken Herbert

Analyst

Okay, great. Just finally on the C4ISR business, it seems like you’re seeing good growth there and you acquired GATR a few years ago and TeraLogics and DTECH. You were talking high margin potential businesses with 20% growth. Are they hitting your targets there, maybe exceeding your targets and how has the pipeline expanded specifically within C4ISR now that we’ve got a '17 budget in place?

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

We’re doing well in those businesses. I talked about the T2C2 program going in the full rate production. We expect that decision in the coming months. That program itself has objective quantity of around 1,000 terminals. It turns out that the Army has other nets as well. And it turns out you can use this technology for other applications; one for instance Troposcatter. And so I think we’ll sell 1,000 of these antennas. DTECH is doing well. They had some international sales also. They’re on key programs at SOCAR. Quite frankly we’re waiting for contracts to be awarded in some of the areas. We have very good visibility but it’s hard for me always to predict how long contracting officers take to do their jobs. But we remain very savvy about what we’ve done. And if linked a mission chain of capability for our customers and have actually sold products that include all of those capabilities that we’ve required. So I’m seeing certainly some revenue synergy as well.

Ken Herbert

Analyst

Okay, that’s helpful. And just finally it sounds like on adjusted EBITDA, the guidance implies a very strong – or your commentary a very strong fourth quarter, maybe 45 million to 55 million in adjusted EBITDA. Is there high confidence in that level or is there solely recent timing risk around some of the programs?

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

We’re confident, of course, as I mentioned. We don’t have all the orders in backlog yet. But we are very confident. And our team is pushing the process very, very hard.

Jay Thomas

Analyst

If you kind of look at our past couple of years, you’ll see the fourth quarter has always come in a – it’s our largest quarter of the year. So we’ve just seen more phenomena shipments in the fourth quarter.

Ken Herbert

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Ruttenbur from Drexel Hamilton. Please go ahead.

Brian Ruttenbur

Analyst

Yes. Thank you very much. So it sounds like the MTA, is this still going to happen by the end of August or are we pushing the timing out?

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

So the next Board meeting is in September. We don’t have Board meetings apparently in August. So we anticipate that that’s when we’ll learn the good news.

Brian Ruttenbur

Analyst

Okay. And then what’s the next Board meeting after that if it doesn’t get voted on in September?

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

October.

Brian Ruttenbur

Analyst

Okay, so it’s immediately after that. Okay.

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

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Brian Ruttenbur

Analyst

That’s nice of them because they’re working hard. That was supposed to be funny. But it looks like you kitchen-sinked the quarter. Is that what I would regain on this is that you – the change in CFO and some other things that you put everything that you possibly could in this quarter and that’s why things are going to be a lot easier going forward, or am I being too blunt and reading something into this?

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

Yes, I think you maybe over reading. I don’t think there was timing all related to that. I think we shared the bridge of year-to-date investments within CTS. We expect CTS to do very well going forward.

Brian Ruttenbur

Analyst

Okay. And do you have a breakout of – I’m looking through the slide deck as well as the press release, a breakout in the quarter. How much were the charges to just try and back out to what a normalized quarter would be if we backed out new bid expense, FX for the quarter, incremental R&D just for the quarter? Do you have those numbers broken out?

Jay Thomas

Analyst

If you go into the MD&A and the 10-Q, you should see the detail in there.

Brian Ruttenbur

Analyst

Okay. I just didn’t get into the Q yet. Perfect. Thanks very much and good luck. And the guidance for fourth quarter was as I heard, adjusted EBITDA 45 million to 50 million, is that correct, backing into it?

Jay Thomas

Analyst

Yes, if you look at the low end of our range for the year and back into, that’s where we’re at. Correct.

Brian Ruttenbur

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

Great.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions in Q&A at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to CEO, Brad Feldmann, for closing comments.

Brad Feldmann

Analyst

Thank you for joining us on the call today. We remain optimistic about Cubic’s future. Thank you very much for your support of our great company.