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Q3 2018 Earnings Call· Tue, May 8, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to the USA Technologies Third Quarter Fiscal Year 2018 Earnings Call. Currently at this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] Also as a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to your host, Monica Gould, Investor Relations for USA Technologies. Please go ahead.

Monica Gould

Analyst

Thank you Steven, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the USA Technologies' Third Quarter Fiscal 2018 Earnings Conference Call. With me on the call this morning is Steve Herbert, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Priyanka Singh, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin today's call, I would like to remind you that all statements included in this call, other than statements of historical facts, are forward-looking in nature. Actual results could differ materially from those contemplated by the forward-looking statements as a result of certain factors, including, but not limited to, business, financial, market, and economic conditions. A detailed discussion of the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results and events to differ materially from such forward-looking statements is included with our filings with the SEC and in the press release issued earlier this morning. Listeners are cautioned not to place undue reliance on any such forward-looking statements, which reflect management's view only as of the date they are made. USA Technologies undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. This call will also include a discussion of certain non-GAAP financial measures that we believe are useful for, among other things, evaluating USA Technologies' operating results. These non-GAAP financial measures are supplemental to and not a substitute for GAAP measures such as net income or loss. Details of these non-GAAP financial measures and the presentation of the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures and reconciliation between these non-GAAP financial measures, as well as the most comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in our press release issued this morning, which has been posted on the Investor Relations section of our website, www.usatech.com. With that, I’d like to turn the call over to Steve Herbert. Steve?

Steve Herbert

Analyst

Thank you, Monica, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us to discuss our third quarter fiscal year 2018 results. I am going to start by updating you on our progress in integrating our acquisition of Cantaloupe Systems. I'll then provide a brief overview of the quarter and share some of our recent business highlights. After my remarks, I'll turn the call over to Priyanka Singh, our CFO to discuss our financial results and guidance in more detail. Over the last six months, we made significant progress in integrating Cantaloupe into our organization. Since closing the acquisition, we've substantially completed the integration of the work and personnel of all major functions within the combined enterprise. Based on our successful execution we were able to improve our L&T margin profile by swiftly and effectively leveraging our expanded service offering in the marketplace. As such I am pleased to announce that during the third quarter we exceeded all of the long-term revenue margin target that we put in place less than six months ago. Specifically in the third quarter we achieved total gross margin of 33%, L&T margins of 41% and equipment margins of 11%, compared to our long-term target of gross margins in the range of 27% to 30%, L&T margins of 36% to 40% and equipment margins of 8% to 10%. Consistent with the vision we set forth earlier in the fiscal year, we now have an industry leading enterprise platform for the unattended retail market. This scalable platform supports our customers' requirement for cashless payment logistics, inventory planning and more. Our platform also addresses the vending and micro market segment to our seed markets module, kiosk through QuickConnect and office coffee services through Seed Delivery. All of these end markets can be managed on our ePort Connect platform…

Priyanka Singh

Analyst

Thank you, Steve and thanks to everyone for joining the call. I'm particularly pleased with our ongoing execution which has enabled us to deliver records third quarter financial results, while at the same time making considerable progress in further integrating Cantaloupe. The strength and consistency of our business model is evident in our third quarter results. Total revenue grew 35% to $35.8 million. We also generated in almost 500 basis points expansion in our adjusted EBITDA margins as we benefited from significant operating leverage due to a growing scale. We've also successfully executed an opportunity to further increase our margin profile as we integrate the two companies and achieve anticipated cost synergies. This quarter our gross margins expanded by more than 800 basis points to 33 %, reflecting our acquisition of Cantaloupe which added high margins recurring software revenue. Gross margins were also favorably impacted this quarter by the lower mix of equipment revenue. At 41 % our L&T margins are expanding. This expansion is driven by a higher software revenue mix and also the best benefit from Cantaloupe accretive margin profile. Our long-term customer contracts and diversified offerings provide us with a highly visible and high margin recurring revenue streams. With our stronger combined offering, we control the full technology stack creating more value generating relationships with our customers. We're also making tactical progress. Our combined sales force is now actively selling the full suite of USAT and Cantaloupe products. Our customers' reaction is the most exciting part for us. It was evident at our recent technology summits that they recognized the potential of the new combined organization and this is a testament of the opportunities that we believe lie ahead of us. Now I would like to briefly review USA Technologies' third quarter results and our outlook for…

Steve Herbert

Analyst

Priyanka thank you very much. I believe now operator we will move to Q&A.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Bob Napoli of William Blair. Your question please.

Bob Napoli

Analyst

Thank you and good morning. Nice job, Steve and Priyanka. First question just on the Ingenico partnership, on their call last week they mentioned a significant deal they signed in unattended segment that will ramp up along the year. Is that just referring to the same agreement or is that a specific contract that you guys are rolling out together in the back half of calendar 2018?

Steve Herbert

Analyst

We believe they were referring to us--they didn't use a name but we're fairly certain they were referring to this same three-year strategic alliance.

Bob Napoli

Analyst

Okay. And the large Midwest cross sell that you made. Has that already rolled into the numbers or is that rolling in over the next and still to come?

Steve Herbert

Analyst

I think that's still to come.

Priyanka Singh

Analyst

Still to come, Bob.

Steve Herbert

Analyst

Yes. They have some work to do. So that's still to come which points directly to Priyanka's comment about us believing that there'll be a continued expansion of the margin numbers and so forth particularly on L&T.

Priyanka Singh

Analyst

That's right.

Bob Napoli

Analyst

I guess just as it relates to that, are you guys --are you thinking about updating your financial targets?

Priyanka Singh

Analyst

That's a good question, Bob. Definitely, as we enter into fiscal 2019 guidance that we will provide towards the end of our Q4 earnings call. We will definitely look at updating our long-term guidance and all measures given the success that we've had in meeting most of them already.

Bob Napoli

Analyst

Great and then just on Cantaloupe; the integration I mean are the cost saves --you had a small amount I guess in the current quarter. So we should get a full run rate of the cost saves? When and just on the growth side and this is more of a growth story than a cost save story I think on the Cantaloupe. Do you have the team in place? I mean obviously one of the founders I think moved on. I don't think that was a surprise but is the organization now -- are the expense energies complete, we'll see that next quarter and then from the growth perspective is the team in place?

Priyanka Singh

Analyst

So I'll address the expense synergies and I'll let Steve address the team. On the expense synergies, Bob, we feel really good about having been able to realize cost savings and synergies so quickly in the game. And we had announced our Q2 earnings towards the beginning of February. We had just completed that exercise and essentially well and we were able to see the results right away. There will be some amount of quartilization if you may of the additional savings that we will see in Q4 having the full quarter's benefit and obviously as we enter into fiscal 2019, we will see the full benefit of the synergistic actions in 2019.

Bob Napoli

Analyst

Thank you, appreciate it.

Steve Herbert

Analyst

And Bob regarding the team, yes, I've been around for a while and we just in my mind we just have a world-class team. We were sorry to see Mandeep go, one of the founders but he's -- the man is a serial entrepreneur and he wants to move on to his next thing which is fine. But the team is very strong and I think it's probably important to note that his co-founder Anant Agarwal has actually relocated with his family to this area and he is doing exceptionally well. And there are other very strong executives that have joined the team. So we'll miss Mandeep but with all due respect him we have a very, very strong team. And look forward -- we look forward to leveraging that team going forward for the shareholders.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from George Sutton of Craig-Hallum. Your question please.

George Sutton

Analyst

Thank you. I think one of the fascinating parts of this story is all the unattended opportunities that are getting created for a variety of different reasons. And I wondered if you can give us a sense of the breadth of the things that you're looking at and able to work with. I mean we've talked about things like touch tunes and mini key, but I'm curious how broad are these opportunities and how are you attacking it from a sales perspective?

Steve Herbert

Analyst

Yes, thanks for the questions. George. We -- one of the areas that we're seeing significant growth in is in something that we call micro markets. And those are -- yes think of it as a small Amazon.gov. Of course, it's and one that doesn't cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars. I don't know exactly what those things cost, but you've got some amazing technology. But we literally have thousands of these micro markets on our service and consumers are able to go in and really pick up anything they want. It could be something along the line of food and beverage, but it could also be with the shifts we're seeing in retail; it could be things that we are typically buying in an attended fashion in retail. So that's something that we expect to continue to grow as retail goes through what is nothing more than -- it's just -- it's something less than a major, major shake-up. And those retailers going to have to find new ways and cost us, more cost-effective ways to get to consumers. So we're seeing a lot of activity there and in other places as well.

George Sutton

Analyst

Now if I look at the 550 new customers this quarter. Could you give us a sense of the proportion that are related to unattended or the non traditional vending?

Steve Herbert

Analyst

Well I guess that the best number we could give you there is related to our QuickConnect connections which are -- they're just --they're not vending. They're for bio mugs, they're not vending. So they're kiosk oriented; it's a company trying to reach consumers in an unattended fashion including things like micro markets. And Priyanka probably knows the exact numbers but I'm going to estimate here. I believe we added somewhere near 4,500 new connections in that part of our business, which was in the third quarter which was a 50% increase over prior year. So that's a significant movement in business outside of that market and in addition outside of the vending market, in addition to that we're closing in on a 100,00 overall connections in that part of the business. So it's -- and we've talked before I personally I have always been a fan, a big fan of the kiosk market as a very significant growth opportunity for us long-term, and it's nice to see this type of traction.

George Sutton

Analyst

And last if could Priyanka I just want to make sure I understand the equipment strategy going forward particularly as Ingenico comes in as a large partner. Obviously, the equipment revenues were lower than expected which we could care less about but it's just an optical thing. I want to make sure I understand so how you're thinking about equipment going forward?

Priyanka Singh

Analyst

So on that George, equipment like you said right it's just an enabler for us. We think about it it's typically skewed in the second half of the year. So we do expect as you can see in our guidance; we do expect Q4 to be relatively stronger in terms of hardware related cashless sales. And we expect that to stay out and specifically talking about Ingenico, we look at Ingenico as a great partner potentially no impact in fiscal 2018 in the fourth quarter, but as we get into fiscal 2018, we do expect to start to gain traction on equipment with that partnership similar to the way we have with our other equipment manufacturer. And what really excited about Ingenico is we will now be able to source hardware within Ingenico, sell it internationally and be able to service it internationally in any part of the world. So I think that's going to be unique with the Ingenico partnership that we have not had so far.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Gary Prestopino of Barrington Research. Please go ahead.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Steve you mentioned cross-selling activities starting to pick up. Is there any way you can maybe get to surround that with some metrics and then talk about what the pipeline looks like going forward?

Steve Herbert

Analyst

Well, I'll start with it the easiest one, Gary. Good morning by the way. The pipeline for that is really very significant. If you look at --but the largest cross sell opportunity is with USA technologies' existing base. We have with today's count 15,600 customers on that service currently with almost a million connections and as we know those aren't fully penetrated. Those customers have anywhere between 2.5 and 3.5 million locations in total. So the pipeline if you can call it that; the pipeline is incredibly rich with customers that we already have. So I don't want to be overly optimistic, but I would expect if the trend that we're seeing now continues, I would expect this to have more and more of an impact on our business going forward, not particularly on the hardware side but on the L&T side which of course we know is -- that's the crux of our business, that's the most important part. So I hope that answers your question.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Somewhat. Let me phrase it another way, all right. If you've got one million connections right now, all right. Realistically, how many of those potential connections are big enough to want to uptake the Cantaloupe cloud-based software in your opinion? Or is it all of them? Half of them? Three quarters?

Steve Herbert

Analyst

Yes. I would say there's a small percentage Gary that are --they're really small operators. Anyone with less than say 50 machines there that's a company that is it's simply not going to be able to leverage in enterprise platform. They may be able to pick up one additional service, but when we think about selling two, three, four additional services that's we're moving farther up the food chain. But those smaller customers are --they're de minimus in terms of the million connections.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Okay, alright. And then Priyanka just to make sure I'm on the same page here. Starting in 2019, you're going to realize the full amount of the $3 million of cost savings. That is correct.

Priyanka Singh

Analyst

That is correct, Gary. That is correct. We saw some of it in this quarter that we just closed. We will see most of it in the current quarter in Q4 and then the annualization of the benefit we will see in the fiscal 219.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

In terms of that and I haven't modeled it out but in terms of the to 15% to 20% of revenues that you think SG&A expenses can get to, is that really a 2019 event or are we talking a couple of years down the road?

Priyanka Singh

Analyst

That's a really good question, Gary. It really depends on our equipment sales. If you think about a quarter like this a better metric is to look at SG&A as a percentage of L&T because you can see that quarter-over-quarter we've seen that go down, but because we had lesser Hardware related cashless sales that resulted in the optics of it looks like SG&A as a percentage of revenue has not moved. It really depends in a quarter-over-quarter basis; there will be some variability but over a long term period if you think about a three to five year period annually we should be able to be in that range, in the 15% to 20% range.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

And then the last question just deals with my last question the L&T margins. Have we hit a mark here of 40% plus that can be assumed to be sustainable going forward? And this is just on the L&T gross margin.

Priyanka Singh

Analyst

Yes. We do believe so Gary we've been working very hard on all sides of the equation. The sales team has done a fantastic job with the cross sell and we expect to see the benefit of that in the future quarters. On the cost side, we've been working very closely that our wireless providers, we're also looking at our card processing cost. So we are looking on all sides of the equation to ensure that we continue to be in this range going forward. And we are very pleased that we were able to hit this milestone within six months of the acquisition when we have set this target for ourselves just six months back.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Mike Latimore of Northland Capital. Your question please.

Mike Latimore

Analyst

Hi, thank. Excellent results. I don't know if you can break the connections out this way but do you have either gross or net connections by cashless versus business optimization?

Steve Herbert

Analyst

Mike that's probably something we'd have to follow up with you on. Not at the fingertips right now but we can get a little bit more granular with you on a one-on-one call.

Mike Latimore

Analyst

Okay, thanks. And then you talked a little bit about I think selling cash percent to Cantaloupe existing kilometer base, is that a kind of a consistent ongoing opportunity or is that more you periodic?

Steve Herbert

Analyst

Well, it's significant, it's a significant opportunity the Cantaloupe came over with a few hundred thousand connections, the large majority of which did not have cashless. So there is an opportunity there, there's a cross-sell opportunity there but by a wide margin the larger --not to minimize that, that's a good opportunity for us, but the other cross-sell opportunity is much larger, a million connections and the ability to sell in multiple new services a handful of them. So but it's nice to have that cross-sell opportunity both ways.

Mike Latimore

Analyst

Yes for sure. And then I think in the past you talked about 30% to 40% ARPU selling Cantaloupe into the USA tech base that's still the right way to think about that?

Priyanka Singh

Analyst

That is the right way to think about it, Mike. As we convert --so like Steve indicated, a big chunk of Cantaloupe connections are not cashless. So obviously they don't have the transaction processing run through which impact the ARPU from a transaction processing standpoint. But as we get more success in the higher margin revenue, we do expect that to continue to grow.

Mike Latimore

Analyst

And then just last Ingenico. I know this is a building a relationship but Steve you mentioned you're working with them on some high-priority items. I guess can give a little more color on that? Is that --is it more the international market? Is that spending as a kiosk all the above?

Steve Herbert

Analyst

Yes. We've got our arms around vending pretty tightly. So what you'll see -- and first of all just answer the first question. Our initial focus with Ingenico will be in the North America market and then will start to venture out internationally. They're in approximately 130 countries. So we have many to choose from and we have to sit down together and figure the priorities out but the near-term opportunities that we are focused on are very likely to be outside of vending perhaps a kiosk opportunity. One of their retailers maybe looking to get outside of the bricks-and-mortar that they're in right now. They --as you can imagine they do business with virtually every major retailer in North America. So it would be opportunities like that that we'd be pursuing with them. They have terrific coverage and a wonderful brand and great support in those markets. So we're looking to play to our strengths there both fronts.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes our Q&A session. At this time, I like to turn the call back to Mr. Steve Herbert, CEO for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Steve Herbert

Analyst

Thanks very much to everyone for joining our call today. Before we close, I'd like to extend my thanks to our customers, partners, our shareholders for their continued support and enthusiasm. I especially want to thank on behalf of the management team all of the employees in our combined company for their hard work and superior execution, particularly on the integration of the two companies. It's an honor to work with each of them each day. We're looking forward to updating everyone on our progress next quarter. And hope to see many of you at some of the upcoming investment conferences we will be attending. And thanks again for your time. We sincerely appreciate your support and look forward to talking to you soon.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for attending today's conference. This concludes the program. You may all disconnect. Good day.