Bowen Diehl
Chief Executive Officer
Yes. Thanks, Mickey. I hope you're well. So on that, I would tell you that clearly, a textbook view is while larger companies are more established, and therefore, they do better in a recessionary environment. And while that's not wrong, the other thing that goes into that is structure and leverage levels. And so we're a first lien lender. And if we can lever our business appropriately versus the potential volatility of that business in dollar one risk and so we can control the dialogue and ultimately have much better control of our destiny, which is ultimately what our shareholders care about with our capital. So in the lower middle market, where leverage levels are lower and structures are tighter, they're smaller companies, clearly. And so we've got to pick the companies correctly, but it's not correct to say that there aren't good, sustainable full cycle businesses in the lower middle market. That's not -- that's -- we don't believe that that's the case. But you have to have less leverage, and you have to have tighter structures, and indeed, the market follows that largely because the lower middle market has definitely tighter structures, lower leverage. In the upper middle market, we all know of very loose structures, a lot of covenant-light deals, higher leverage, even if they are a larger company. So if you think about a full cycle in a recessionary environment, I've got a lot more options if I'm dollar one risk at a lower leverage level going into the cycle than I am if I'm -- even if I'm dollar one risk going into the cycle at a higher leverage level. So as a general -- and then also in the lower middle market, absent a recession when things are going well, we have some equity upside in our portfolio as well. So as an investor, I see that, okay, good times, I'm going to make some money. In bad times, I can control my destiny, the company survives, the capital structure survives, and we ride out the other side of a recession, which are typically what 18 months or so long. And so you can basically live to play for another day, and you've gotten appropriate full-cycle returns for your shareholders. So long-winded answer, but that's kind of how I look at those 2 markets. So both have their advantages and there's disadvantages, but that's why we do find full cycle, the lower middle market being more interesting.