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Caesarstone Ltd. (CSTE)

Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 7, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Caesarstone Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2017 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Allison Cain of ICR. Thank you, you may begin.

Allison Cain

Analyst

Thank you operator, and good morning to everyone. Certain statements in today's conference call and responses to various questions may constitute forward-looking statements. We caution you that such statements reflect only the company's current expectations and that the actual events or results may differ materially. For more information, please refer to the Risk Factors contained in the company's most recent Annual Report on Form 20-F and subsequent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In addition, the company will make reference to certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted net income, adjusted net income per share and adjusted EBITDA. The reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in the company's fourth quarter 2017 earnings release, which is posted on the company's Investor Relations website. With that, I would like to now turn the call over to Raanan Zilberman, Chief Executive Officer of Caesarstone. Raanan, please go ahead.

Raanan Zilberman

Analyst

Thank you, Allison. Good day and welcome to our conference call to discuss our fourth quarter and full-year results as well as our outlook for 2018. I will start by providing some financial highlights from our fourth quarter. We grew our fourth quarter revenue by 9.8% to a new fourth quarter record of $148 million. On a constant currency basis, our growth was 7%. We continued to experience gross margin pressure in the quarter. This was primarily from lower throughput in Israel due to an increased portion of differentiated high products. We also so some pressure from the increased polyester prices. On the positive side, while we still have much work to do Richmond-Hill, our organizational and operational improvement have begun to deliver benefits and I will speak about it more later. The fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA was $21 million, a margin of 14.2%. This was within our guidance range but in the lower end despite the sustained stronger pace of sales growth. The adjusted net income was $8 million and our adjusted diluted EPS was $0.22. To be clear, this highlight and the annual numbers I will give excluding part of the $17 million legal expense we incurred in the quarter. This is mainly the result of an arbitration commenced back in 2011. I'd like now to discuss the full year of 2017. We grew sales by 9.2% to a record of $588 million with constant currency growth of 7.4%. Our 2017 adjusted EBITDA was $100.4 million. Adjusted net income was $50 million and our adjusted diluted EPS was $1.45. This has been a challenging year. We were pleased with our top line increase especially with out 10% growth in the U.S. after a flat year in 2016. We are also pleased with our first year of direct distribution…

Yair Averbuch

Analyst

Thank you for the kind words Raanan and good morning to everyone. I will now refer to our income statement for the fourth quarter. Global revenue in the fourth quarter increased by 9.8% to $148.1 million compared to $135 million in the fourth quarter of last year. On a constant currency basis, revenue grew by 7%. Gross margin in the quarter was 31.3% compared to 38.1% last year. Relative to last year, the primary factors for the decrease in margin were lower production throughput in Israel as Raanan described, higher material costs related mainly to polyester prices, lower average prices in some regions and increased component of fabrication and installation revenue which comes with lower margin mainly related to our growth with IKEA. Operating expenses in the first quarter were $51.3 million or 31.6% of revenue versus $32.3 million last year which was 23.9% of revenue. This increase was mainly attributable to a $13.9 million increase in legal settlements and loss contingency expenses related mainly to the arbitration results with Kfar Giladi as previously disclosed. I would note that following the publication of the award by the arbitrator Kfar Giladi submitted a motion to correct the damage amount by approximately $3.7 million which we objected and is pending the arbitrator decision. Excluding legal settlements and loss contingency expenses, operating expenses in the fourth quarter would have been $34.3 million or 23.1% of revenue compared to $29.2 million which was 21.6% of revenue in the third quarter last year. This increase primarily reflects higher marketing and sales efforts in the U.S. and the startup of direct distribution operations in the UK. Our first quarter GAAP operating loss was $4.9 million compared to operating income of $19.1 million in the fourth quarter of last year. Adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter which…

Raanan Zilberman

Analyst

Thank you, Yair. Looking ahead at our 2018 challenges and opportunity, I can see the following vectors. We will continue to experience headwinds from the following vectors, one as you mention, and as I mentioned before, evolving low cost competition in the USA. Two, is external factor is the increase of polyester prices and number three, which I mentioned as well before, softer housing conditions in few power markets including Australia, Canada and Israel. At the same time, we expect to benefit from tailwinds due to; one, the improvement in the manufacturing of Richmond-Hill, this is going on a good direction; two, our new and differentiated exciting products; three, the strong brand position; and four, the fundamental goals that exist in the categories. We will remain focused on the high end of the quartz market; however, with the developing and growing opportunities that exist today in the mass market we will seek for opportunities on the high end of those segments. In terms of performance as we just guided we are planning to continue and grow the top line between 4% to 7.5% and increase our adjusted EBITDA between 2% and 10%. Thank you and we are now ready to open the call for any questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Michael Rehaut with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hey, good morning this is [indiscernible] in for Mike. So I guess starting on gross margins, I appreciate your commentary there, but I guess you have given the result this quarter in your guidance implying roughly flat EBITDA margins. How do you think about gross margins in 2018? And then I guess there was a significant piece of that the shift to big box or what do you see as improving or is it sort of the level you expect to persist for two to three quarters?

Yair Averbuch

Analyst

Thank you for the question and so, I mean if you take our mid range guidance it implies basically same EBITDA margins of 2017. I prefer to not break the guidance by P&L item, but we do expect some operating expense leverage this year. And therefore the conclusion is that there will be slightly lower gross margins, taking into account polyester prices and increased fabrication and installation.

Raanan Zilberman

Analyst

Just to make sure that we're all aligned, total dollar of gross margins are going to go up. Okay? And if you'll do the math as Yair said you will see that it will be around $10 million. The margins are going to stay more or less the same as Yair mentioned. Okay? But total dollar are going to go up.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, that's helpful and so I guess just looking at marketing and selling and G&A, I mean do you see that as kind of continuing to increase with further investments as you're continuing the U.S. strategy or is that sort of flat lining?

Raanan Zilberman

Analyst

So, we made a big investment in 2016 and 2017 in the U.S. We also started our distribution operation in the UK which was another, a point of investment. We, while we intend to grow the expenses we believe that our top line goal will leverage this. So in percentage we believe that operating expenses should be lower than last year excluding legal settlements and loss contingencies.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, that’s helpful.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Susan Maklari with Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Hi this is Chris on for Sue. Thanks for taking our questions. I want to touch on some of the lower ASP you guys are seeing in some of your regions. I know you said it's driving some of the gross margin pressure, so I was wondering if you could touch on what regions you are seeing those pressure and whether or not, what's driving the lower selling price there?

Raanan Zilberman

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, looking at the ASP, I’ll first refer to your question on the region primarily it's coming from the U.S. and Australia. However, we see low cost competition coming also in China in other markets, but as I said the main markets right now are U.S. and Australia. Now, you have to look inside the price pressure because it's very interesting. If you look at the same model like-for-like there is clear erosion in prices. However, the way we protect ourselves to try and to cope with it is in two ways. First, what we do is that we are coming ongoing basis with new and exciting products that allows us to charge for higher pricing, so this is offsetting some of the mix, some of the like-for-like price erosion and naturally we are selling more and more in the States and less and less in countries like Israel or the rest of the world and this is I think as well. So if you look from the top, you don't see really price erosion. However inside there is a price pressure and the way to cope with it again is those unique and differentiated product which bring to them the toll of more longer cycle times, more complicated production, higher cost and therefore longer cycle time and the pressure on the gross margin is coming in instead of from the top, it's coming from the bottom. So I hope that this was a good enough explanation.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, thanks. That was very helpful. And then as my second question I was hoping to touch on the U.K. growth strategy. I was wondering if you could explain if there's any differences in the landscape or U.S. or Australia or some of the other regions and what’s kind of driving success there?

Raanan Zilberman

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, U.S. market is a pretty virgin island, so we have only one major competitor and therefore and we still see a fundamental demand that exists in the market. What works for us as well is that we moved from distributor to a direct distribution, so we take more responsibility on the entire supply chain and with that we feel that we are enhancing the relationship with the our value chain. We feel that there is a lot of work to gain in the market. It's not a market of hundreds of, hundreds of millions of dollars, but it is a market of let's say around $100 million that we can still continue and go significantly. So we see it as a good opportunity and we've got a good outlook for the markets.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Okay, thanks for that.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Baugh with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

John Baugh

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Yair, good luck in your future endeavors and thank you for your support. I guess a question first on the inventory. It's up 30% roughly year-over-year. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Is that planned or what’s the composition of inventory finished versus work in process? Are you in a better stocking position any color on the inventory?

Raanan Zilberman

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

So, generally speaking, we've taken a principled decision to increase our inventory and there is a need that we are coming into days where people, there is a much, a lot of competition out there in the market and people are - the consumer are expecting to a quick response. There were days when we were alone and people were willing to wait a few weeks to get those slabs, not anymore. So actually what you see is just the beginning. We've taken the decision to increase the inventory in 2018 by a little bit more let's say another half of a month in the USA in terms of inventory and here and there in some other places. So all in all, we see it as a positive thing and we believe that with better inventory, there will be better availability and better serving the needs. So it's absolutely not coming from lack of control, it's a managerial decision and it's going to continue.

John Baugh

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Okay and then there was commentary about diversifying sources and I would assume that this is the commodity course you're selling but not making. I guess I'm trying to get a sense of how much of your business currently is sourced and then what in terms of a cost benefit you see in ’18 or beyond in sourcing from other areas?

Raanan Zilberman

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Well, John let’s start from first the principal, the principal is that with the low cost competition there is a very interesting phenomenon, a new market is emerging, market that was not exists before. Historically we were working, we were inventing and working in the high premium market and that’s where we pointed all the years and these were our consumers and customers and with low competition it's more for the world and people that could not afford in the past are consuming now cores. Serious don’t need to decide if we want to take part in this market. We can stay where we are today serving the premium market or we can say, let's look at the mark-to-market, maybe not compete in all of the range, but let's take the premium part of it, the upper part of it and be relevant to people over there. A good example is the Big Box, but it's not just in Big Box, it’s happening in all the segments, it’s happening in the K&B, it’s happening in the - with the contractor. This is a strategic decision that we are now debating now days. And one of the way to address that competitive market is to be relevant both, with the cost of the product but also with the supply chain. This is the motivation to try and diversify the sourcing of the commodities product. I think at this stage we don't want to reveal how much if it is done internally or externally, but I would say that it’s not a major thing, the majority of what we do, we do on our production line and with our full control. By the way the entire OEM production is under our control and our specification, but not just the ethical one, including our people at the source, making sure that the quality is maintained as the level that we expect to have and [indiscernible].

John Baugh

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

So Raanan, not to put words in your mouth, but are you trying to say that while Caesarstone will stay at the high end whether it's K&B or possibly Big Box or builder channel that you need a product offering in a lower price point to be competitive or maybe win the high end business along with the growth in the middle or lower price points, is that essentially the strategy or the shift here?

Raanan Zilberman

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

To some extent I would say it's fair, but it is even more than they think about OEM as kind of a muscle that you want to have A, to answer certain range of your demand, but also is a muscle that gives you flexibility to fluctuation of inventory need or supply need, et cetera. So I think most of the manufacturers today, definitely the big manufactures today, try to maintain certain degree of flexibility with outsourcing and it’s a new era of work, it's the year. First year went pretty well and we are considering to strengthen that muscle absolutely.

John Baugh

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Okay and my last question relates to capital spending, the dividend decision, and maybe production capacity. In theory, I think you have a $100 million capacity per line, you have seven lines. You gave us your revenue guidance and I believe it takes two years give or take before production can be gained from decision to commit capital. So it would appear that paying a sizeable dividend and no one else plans to add capacity that you plan on growing your revenue through a lot more sourced product or am I wrong and you have plans to expand capacity, just haven't announced it yet?

Raanan Zilberman

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

John, it’s a fair observation. I would say a mixture of reasons, which means, one we believe that we have sufficient money. By the way, the dividend is relatively not a big dividend and let’s take it in proportion talking about small numbers. However, one we still believe that we have enough money to invest if we will decide to invest in capacity. Nevertheless, it’s true what you say. In the short-term I believe and it goes with what I I said in the past that the company needs to step-by-step move the center of gravity from an industrial company to a commercial company. I believe that building the muscle of OEM, allowing us to use capital and the resources to the commercial side of the business so in the future through M&A if it's needed, I think it’s a decision that is not in conflict with the decision to bring some value in a marginal way or in a reasonable way with the dividend. So to cut a long story short, there's no conflict and yes the needs that we will have in the short term probably we will have sufficient resource to use or will be used by outsourcing.

John Baugh

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Lena Rogovin with Chardan Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Lena Rogovin

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Hello, thank you for taking my questions. Actually I have two, the first is about revenue growth in the year actually in Q4 which is some acceleration compared to previous quarter. So the question is, what was the reason for that? Is that that the market in general was stronger or is it because of the product mix? And what should we expect in the next quarter? And my second question is about production issues in Israel. When you say that you expect pressure to continue, is that something you know how to manage in the foreseeable future or that’s you added the production of the differentiated product? Thank you.

Raanan Zilberman

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Okay, so hi Lena. On the revenue growth side indeed revenue, we were pleased with the revenue results for the quarter and it was above the growth rate that we demonstrated in the second and the third quarter primarily because of the U.S. gross rate and the gross rate in Europe and in the indirect market in general, partly because of UK growth. Yes and which by the way UK growth just, it's an easy comp to be fair and say that it's an easy comp because last year in the second half of the year and when we had to terminate the distributor it was very tough there, so just want to make a note.

Lena Rogovin

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please proceed with your question.

I was asking about the U.S. growth specifically.

Yair Averbuch

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Oh, so US growth was again was in Q1 was better 17%, then it was 8% and 6% and then back to 10% we had a very good cover off this quarter. It compared to Q2 and Q3 and actually the growth rate of IKEA decelerated a bit.

Raanan Zilberman

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, so just to work on what Yair said, I do agree we had a very strong Q1 and a very good Q4, in the middle it was a little bit softer, but I take the opportunity to stress what Yair already mentioned before that due to the fact that we had a very strong Q1 in 2017 we are expecting in terms of growth a little bit softer growth in Q1 this year. And as you know, our company is based on a lot of fixed costs and if Q1 is going to be a little bit softer in terms of the growth, then it means that the margins will follow. So if you ask about the outlook of the or the development of the quarter during 2018 it will be fair to say, that we will start a little bit slower than, what we are expecting the year to end. In regards to your question about the Israeli plant it's a good question and I must admit that it’s a little bit different case than the one in Richmond-Hill. So in Richmond-Hill when I came, when I joined I recognized that there is too many issues. One was leadership issue in the plant and the second was know how transfer. And therefore we assembled a solution that was kicked off in August and immediately brought the result and I believe that we are on a good path. And as Yair said, I believe that this it is the last year that it was a negative contributor to the margin. In Israel it’s a different situation. I think I've mentioned to you in the past that I've been travelling and I've seen and quartz manufacturers all over the world, some of them we wanted to buy, some of them…

Lena Rogovin

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you very much. That’s very helpful.

Raanan Zilberman

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Welcome.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. Zilberman for any closing remarks.

Raanan Zilberman

Analyst

Now, I'd just like to say thank you for your time and attention today. We look forward to updating you on our business next quarter and talk to you soon again. Bye-bye.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day.