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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Investors Real Estate Trust Third Quarter Fiscal 2013 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Lindsey Anderson. Please go ahead.

Lindsey Knoop Anderson

Analyst

Good morning, and welcome to Investors Real Estate Trust's Third Quarter Fiscal 2013 Earnings Conference Call. IRET's earnings release and supplemental disclosure package for the 3 months ended January 31, 2013, were posted to our website and also furnished on Form 8-K on March 12. In the 10-Q earnings release and supplemental disclosure package, Investors Real Estate Trust has reconciled all non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures in accordance with the requirements set forth in Regulation G. If you have not received a copy, these documents are available on IRET's website at iret.com in the Investors section. Additionally, a webcast and transcript of this call will be archived on the IRET website for 1 year. At this time, management would like to inform you that certain statements made during this call, which are not historical, may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Although Investors Real Estate Trust believes the expectations reflected in these forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, Investors Real Estate Trust can give no assurance that its expectations will be achieved. Factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by forward-looking statements are detailed in Tuesday's earnings release and from time to time in Investors Real Estate Trust's filings with the SEC. Investors Real Estate Trust does not undertake a duty to update any forward-looking statements. With me today from management are Tim Mihalick, President and Chief Executive Officer; Diane Bryantt, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Tom Wentz, Jr., Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Tim Mihalick for his opening remarks.

Timothy P. Mihalick

Analyst

Thank you, Lindsey, and good morning, everyone. Although I risk sounding like a broken record, I want to continue on with the theme I started over a year ago as I discuss the future of IRET with you. I have repeatedly talked about the Great Plains and the impact this region has not only on the United States, but also the world. Recently, I came across a study titled, The Rise of the Great Plains: Regional Opportunity in the 21st Century by Joel Kotkin. And for those of you who have not had a chance to read it, I suggest you do. Over the years, much has been written about North Dakota and the Great Plains region. Some have suggested that it be turned into Buffalo Commons. Others have predicted that the region will become almost totally depopulated. Well, as you can imagine, I am here today to completely dispute those statements. I believe much the opposite is true, and as noted in the study I referenced above, the Plains is now home to some of the healthiest economy in terms of jobs, growth and unemployment on the North American continent. In our recently released filings, and as Tom and Diane will discuss, IRET delivered a strong quarter that was bolstered by solid property operations, increased rents in our Multi-family Residential segment, stable occupancy in our Commercial Office segment and improving occupancy in our industrial segment. With the significant development activities we have underway in our home market of North Dakota, where the Bakken energy field continues to drive regional economic growth, complemented by the strong -- by the continued strong performance in our Multi-family Residential portfolio and what we expect will be improving leasing trends in our Commercial Office segment, we are confident in our ability to continue to…

Diane K. Bryantt

Analyst

Thank you, Tim, and good morning, everyone. This morning, I will give a brief summary of highlights and results of operations in the third quarter and 9 months ending January 31, 2013. As reported yesterday in IRET's Form 10-Q and earnings release and supplemental information, we continue to see earnings increase from operations for the third quarter and 9 months ended January 31, 2013. Acquisitions and development projects placed in service and strong levels of occupancy in our multi-family segment continue to provide a positive impact on net operating income. FFO increased to $18.5 million or 8% for the quarter and year-to-date, FFO was $56.8 million, an increase of 18% over the prior comparative year. On a per share basis, FFO for the quarter was $0.16 per share and year-to-date, $0.15 -- $0.50 per share as compared to $0.16 and $0.47 in the prior-year comparative period. Operations are providing for this increase in absolute FFO, but we understand that the per-share results are going to not increase proportionally as we go through the development process and will -- and these projects will have a dilutive effect on our per-share results. In our overall operations, net operating income increased $3.9 million or 10.8% in the third quarter as compared to the third quarter of last year and a year-to-date increase of $14.3 million or 13.6%. For the 3 and 9 months of fiscal '13, acquisitions and development projects placed in service or are non-stabilized properties represents 75% and 82% of this increase. On a stabilized basis, in the third quarter, the annual recognition of $476,000 of percentage rents within our senior housing portfolio, which is included in our Commercial Medical segment, are coming from most of the NOI growth within stabilized properties. Year-to-date, however, the multi-family segment is still leading in…

Thomas A. Wentz

Analyst

Thank you, Diane. Having overall responsibility for property operations, development and acquisition strategy, I'm pleased to report that in the third quarter, we continued on our path of improved property operations that have grown income and improved the value of our entire portfolio. While there is still a lot of work left to do in the Commercial Office segment, since assuming the Chief Operating Officer responsibilities in the fall of 2009, I have worked with our executive team to develop and implement our strategy of focusing on expense control, properly maintaining the physical condition of all of our assets despite the increased CapEx cost and resulting impact on adjusted funds from operations, and most importantly, on growing in our strongest markets and segments. All of these initiatives have combined to improve almost all of our measurable economic metrics. From the lows almost 3 years ago, we've increased residential occupancy to 93.6% from a low of 85.8% in the spring of 2010, while also adding the net of almost 1,600 apartment units. This has been accomplished due to the outstanding efforts of IRET's internal resident -- residential management group led by Senior Vice President, Andy Martin. We have increased industrial occupancy to almost 96% from a low of 80.9% in the summer of 2010, and retail occupancy from a low of 82% in the fall of 2010 to the current level of 87.9%, while also increasing net income from both of these 2 smaller commercial segments. For the first time in approximately 3 years, occupancy in the Commercial Office segment did not decline and actually increased slightly. Again, these trends in occupancy are due in large part to the successful execution of our strategy by IRET's internal commercial management group and our entire executive team of Senior Vice President Chuck Greenberg,…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Neil Malkin of RBC Capital Markets.

Neil Malkin - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Just a couple of questions, one on the development side. You guys, as you said, were very active this quarter acquiring land parcels in your sort of core North Dakota areas. Just wondering, how comfortable are you or at what level do you become uneasy of having your land bank running going forward? And kind of what do you see as your development timeline on those land parcels? And then lastly, I know the infrastructure in the Bakken area isn't fully built out. So do you see that as a sort of hindering the timeline for a larger build out?

Timothy P. Mihalick

Analyst

I'll answer 2. This is Tim, and I'll let Tom talk a little bit about -- as we continue to look out to our markets, and one of the reasons we do bank land in those -- our core markets is, again, as we've explained in the past, they're not large markets, and our ability to have land to go into the development side allows us to keep up with the competition or, in some cases, hopefully keep the competition from building. And that's been part of our philosophy as we move forward. So we see those as opportunities. Again, we know those markets well. We'll continue to do that, and like the returns that we can get on that development. In regard to the infrastructure, in the western part of North Dakota in the Bakken, again, as I talked about, the state did commit money to continue to develop that. And our piece of ground in Williston is entitled to 42 acres -- or the 40 acres that we purchased will have water, sewer and streets improve to that if they'll allow us to continue to move forward. And that will be some challenges as we look out for some of the competitors in those markets, but we think we can handle those as we look to move forward. Tom, do you want to add anything regarding the time and how long it takes to put those?

Thomas A. Wentz

Analyst

Well, I think on the land bank, historically, IRET has not banked a lot of land. Obviously, as a real estate investment trust, holding non-income-producing property is not the wisest of strategies. Generally, we're looking at no more than a 12- to 24-month turnaround from acquisition to online. Occasionally, we will hold land for 1 calendar year period. So for example, some of the parcels we have under contract now were just recently acquired would potentially be slated for development yet this summer, starting this summer. Other projects, land projects that are maybe going to close in subsequent quarters, which we haven't disclosed yet, those are more likely to probably be held for about 18 months before they come online with the development project. So pretty much anything we've acquired to date or would close shortly will be built out this summer. Generally, we don't develop raw land. I mean, we buy it when it's in the city and it's ready, in essence, shovel-ready. That, in certain instances, costs a little bit more. But in this business, time is money. And so our analysis is that buying it at the later stage of the development actually results in the same returns by buying it early on, tying that money up throughout the entire entitlement process. And to answer your question, if all the property we have is basically entitled, properly zoned or can be rezoned to what we need, has the infrastructure. And in fact, in Williston, all of that property, in essence, has infrastructure and is shovel-ready. I mean, we were an early entrant into that market, had been in that market in the past. So lack of infrastructure actually is a barrier to future competition from that standpoint. So I guess to answer the question, no real worries on land banking because we turn it around relatively quickly.

Neil Malkin - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. Great. That's helpful. And then my follow-up question is on the leasing side. It looked like with office and medical, there is pretty significant roll downs. Now on the office side, is that just a function of new leases in different markets than the expiring? Is it you guys trying to build occupancy? And then on the medical side, was the roll down -- is that a function of going from -- or going to the net lease structure? Or can you explain those?

Thomas A. Wentz

Analyst

Well, I think to answer all of those in the operation segment, on our 8-K report on commercial leasing trends, I think the first thing I would advise everyone is our entire Commercial Office portfolio is 5 million square feet. Now that's a lot in certain context, but that's actually pretty small compared to most other REITs. So as we've said in prior quarters, we need to be careful looking at quarter-to-quarter trends and missing the bigger picture of year-over-year, year over -- and that type of comparison. So I think what we have in there when Diane and I, Tim looked at it is, is we've got a lot of timing issues. We do, do a lot of early renewals. And so those renewals get reflected in prior periods, but the expiration still stays stuck in later periods of time. So that's primarily the larger explanation. I think to answer some of your other questions is, yes, I mean, we are trying to build occupancy in all these segments, which I stressed in my comments. Again, on the theory with the improving economy, there's no way to improve income if you don't even have a tenant to begin with or a customer to begin within these buildings. And so we're comfortable spending the revenue to build occupancy with good quality tenants, customers in these commercial assets. So I think again, we don't see really any negative trends. And I think going back to some of my prior comments, depending on where people think we are in this whole economic cycle and you look at our average lease term, I mean, if you think the financial crisis, recession started 2008, 2009, the average term in our Commercial Office segment has always run about 5 years. So as we've said in previous quarters, we did anticipate that some of those leases that were signed right at the beginning point of the current economic cycle are now just maturing. And there's no question that rents in all commercial markets in the office segment are not at the same levels that they were in 2007, 2008. But again, as previously said, when you look at our lease expiration, we really have rolled through almost the entire balance of our portfolio by the end of this fiscal year, calendar year of 2013.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Rich Anderson of BMO Capital Markets.

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

Okay. So couple of questions here. I'm sorry, I'm looking through -- so you talked about how you're going to grow the portfolio through acquisitions and development and also reduced leverage, and I hear you clearly on all this kind of moving parts, and some of the pieces of mortgage debt that you're going after. But how do you -- how do you reduce leverage at -- in the same breath say that you're going to increase acquisitions and development? Maybe the best question is, where do you see leverage going to when you think about all the moving parts that are going on right now?

Timothy P. Mihalick

Analyst

You're talking on the metrics?

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

Yes, just debt to EBITDA or -- Tim, you mentioned that you're not there yet. I mean, when do you get there, I guess, when you consider all the activity going on?

Timothy P. Mihalick

Analyst

Yes, I think as we look at our debt-to-EBITDA numbers now, a little north of 7, and that may stay in that range as we continue to roll out and complete development projects. I think when we shake through and complete that, we'd like to see ourselves probably closer to that to 6. But that can take some time due to the construction lending and some of the things we've had to put in place to get these projects up and running. And our long-term goal will be to get to that 6 number on the debt to EBITDA.

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

Okay. So that makes sense. And you guys also mentioned attacking or looking at assets with shorter-term debt on them. Can you talk about that strategy? How much of it are we talking about in terms of that's available to have a conversation about? How much of it is pre-payable, and how much of it you expect to refinance?

Thomas A. Wentz

Analyst

Well, I think, Rich, that strategy really is a function of lower leverage. Obviously, leverage brings risk and in the past, we carried higher leverage, but we had really no near-term maturity risk. I mean, we're very careful about staggering it. So if you go back and look at our profile several years ago, we certainly carried higher leverage, but we had a very staggered extended maturity. I think with the preferred offering and some other uses of additional equity and overall deleveraging, what we see as an opportunity is lower leverage. You can entertain a little bit more risk by going short and then capturing really what are unbelievably low interest rates. And driving down -- really driving down one of our biggest expense line items. I mean, debt, if it's not number 2 or 3 after people, is right up there. And so that's really the explanation on the strategy. Plus, it allows us to be a little bit more flexible on how we hold our portfolio. Really, one of our biggest barriers to selling assets was we use longer-term fixed rate debt, which came with prepay penalties or lockouts. And so again, it just goes back to what I alluded to is that by going shorter, we increase our flexibility. But we also understand that by going shorter, you increase your leverage risk profile, general growth properties, some of the -- First Industrial, Prologis. So a whole list of names that had near-death experiences because of short-term leverage, and that's really what's behind the strategy.

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

Okay. So I -- and I misunderstood what you're saying. So you're -- when you consider future -- the future debt strategy, you will go shorter term, lower rates, higher risk, as you acknowledge. But would you say then, from an LTV perspective, it would be significantly lower than what it was in the past?

Thomas A. Wentz

Analyst

Well, I mean, if you look at it now, depending on what you think we're worth, I mean, we're at 50% if you throw out the preferred -- I mean, if you include the preferred. If you throw out the preferred, we're down high-40s, 46, 47. And again -- I mean, obviously, you know what all the peer groups look like, and that puts us pretty much close to the middle of the pack, not in the 75th percentile where we were before. So I think by getting down into that 50 to 45 range, that really mitigates the risk. I mean, we're down probably 14, 15 basis points on our leverage levels overall. And so I think we're still going to maintain a strategy of going along with the vast majority of our debt. But we want to be able to entertain the use of shorter-term debt for construction, for assets that are maybe going to be disposed of in the near term and free ourselves up from the encumbrances of going long. And so we're probably at the right level on leverage or pretty close to it.

Timothy P. Mihalick

Analyst

Yes, I think Rich -- this is Tim, and just a quick follow-up. As we restructure our portfolio, we're certainly going to go long and take advantage of interest rates on properties we intend to hold for the longer term.

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

Okay. I understood. In terms of the average interest rate declining very slightly to 5.65%, what do you think is embedded in the overall portfolio when you consider where interest rates are today? And if you were to kind of look out a couple of years and think about some of the refinancing and debt pay-down that you might do, how much lower could that 5.65% go if you were to take a snapshot of the market today?

Thomas A. Wentz

Analyst

Well, if you look at Page 10 in the press release 8-K, I mean, that pretty much gives you an indication that we don't really have a whole lot of opportunity in the near term. So I mean, there really isn't a lot of further opportunity. I mean, there is some. And again, we're only really going to achieve that by going shorter. I mean, at 5.65%, we're within pretty close range of current long-term 7-, 10-year fixed rates on the commercial side of maybe 5, 5.25. Obviously, debt on the multi-family is still down in the 4, 4.25 range on fixed year debt. So we break it out and you can go through and see what we've got coming out. There isn't a whole lot of multi-family in the near term. If you look at Page 11, you look at 11 on the commercial. So I wouldn't discount it. But I mean, Ted, our Vice President -- Senior Vice President of Finance, is not on the line. But I think he's going to tell you that there isn't a whole lot of room left without going shorter term, which has its associated risks. And I don't think we're ready to fully depart from our strategy of fixing. I mean, I think we view long-term leverage placed now or in the near term, hopefully, will ultimately become an asset on these properties going forward as the economy improves and interest rates have to increase at some point.

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

Okay. A couple more, just quickly here, multi-family same-store NOI kind of lackluster for the third quarter, it looks like revenues didn't -- revenue growth didn't keep up with expense growth. How would you characterize that, as a point in time anomaly? Or do you think now that you've kind of achieved occupancy in the 94% range, that you might see same-store NOI growth in the multi-family segment sort of slowdown a little bit?

Thomas A. Wentz

Analyst

Well, I think there's a couple of answers there. I mean, obviously, the quarter we just came out of represents probably one of the more challenging one in our markets. It covers 2 multiple major holiday periods, and it's the winter months. And that's really a period of time where we don't encourage our customers to the part by raising revenue. And so -- and it's also a period where we incur expenses, but also try and deliver enhanced service during that period of time for purposes of just keeping everybody put. Spring and fall are really the big movement periods. And so I guess we've never really looked at this quarter we're coming out of as a trendsetter one way or the other. In fact, if you maintain occupancy during these periods of time over the holidays, year end, so on and so forth, that's really a very good sign for your spring, summer months. And again, I think if you go back over prior longer periods, for our markets, we've had a pretty good track record of growing revenue. I mean, you have to remember a lot of our apartment markets really did not get as distressed as some of the coastal markets. So consequently, we didn't see the same type of rent roll down that a lot of other markets saw. So our percentage same-store sales have not been as dramatic, but they've been steady. We've got positive trends there.

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

How big was the office segment in 2010? I know it's like 30-some-odd percent now. How big was it back then?

Thomas A. Wentz

Analyst

You know what, we'd have to double check on that. I could guess at it, but the lawyers tell me never to do that on these calls.

Richard C. Anderson - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst

Okay. I can look back myself. That's a lead-in to my final question. Commercial leasing overall for the quarter, you lost 148,000 square feet, when you consider what you leased and what expired. Can you just talk about what happened there? Is that, again, a seasonality issue? Or is that something more systemic?

Thomas A. Wentz

Analyst

Well, I think as I alluded in -- to the first question, I mean, we've really got a lot of timing issues in that portfolio. And I think really what I would stress is focus on our overall occupancy. I know occupancy doesn't necessarily translate into positive revenue. I mean, you can fill your buildings up and still go backwards on the revenue standpoint. But again, our strategy, we really are focused on the fact that we need to start with the basics, and that is get the buildings occupied with quality tenants and then focus on the revenue and the expenses. So if you look at our occupancy trends, I think they're very favorable over the last 36 months, which I tried to stress. And I think also for the first time, and it's probably longer than 3 years, Commercial Office has finally appeared to stabilize and actually increase slightly. Now it's hard to predict what's going to happen going forward, but the comment was I think we're cautiously optimistic that Commercial Office has got some modest growth in front of it. So those are the trends I would stress and look at, which in essence, even though we had a quarter of declining absorption, overall, our metrics are all positive. Occupancy up, income up. Now I realize we've had some share growth and other things. But overall, I think that has translated into positive movement in the right direction.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Tim Mihalick for any closing remarks.

Timothy P. Mihalick

Analyst

Thank you. And again, I would just like to thank you all for participating in the call this morning and your continued interest in Investors Real Estate Trust. As I talked about in my opening remarks, we see the Great Plains region as opportunity in front of us. As the world looks to need what we have up here, stretching from North Dakota down to the north tip of Texas and all the markets that we're involved in, we see opportunity and the opportunity to provide the real estate needs for that part of the country. And as we move forward, we think IRET is extremely well positioned to take advantage of that. Thank you, again.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your line.