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Operator
Hello and welcome to the Investors Real Estate Trust third quarter fiscal year 2008 earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions) Now I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Kelly Walters. Mr. Walters, please begin.
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Operator
Operator
Hello and welcome to the Investors Real Estate Trust third quarter fiscal year 2008 earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions) Now I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Kelly Walters. Mr. Walters, please begin.
Kelly Walters
Management
Well, good morning and welcome to Investors Real Estate Trust third quarter fiscal 2008 earnings conference call. The earnings press release was distributed over the wire on Tuesday, March 11 and the release and supplemental disclosure package has been furnished on Form 8-K. In the press release and supplemental disclosure package Investors Real Estate Trust has reconciled all non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures in accordance with the requirements set forth in Regulation G. If you did not receive a copy, these documents are available on IRET’s website at www.iret.com in the Investor Relations section. Additionally an archive of today’s webcast will be available on our website for the next two weeks. At this time, management would like to inform you that certain statements made during this call which are not historical may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Although Investors Real Estates Trust believes the expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, Investors Real Estate Trust can give no assurance that its expectations will be obtained. Factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by forward-looking statements are detailed in Tuesday’s press release and from time to time in the Investors Real Estate Trust filings with the SEC. Investors Real Estate trust does not undertake a duty to update any forward-looking statements. With us today from management our Tom Wentz, Sr. President and Chief Executive Officer, Timothy Mihalick Sr. Vice President, Chief Operating Officer, Diane Bryantt, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer and Tom Wentz Jr. Senior Vice President of Asset Management and Finance as well as the entire senior management team. At this time I would like to turn the call over to Tom Wentz Sr. for his opening remarks.
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
Thank you Kelly and welcome to our third quarter conference call. We endeavor to fully explain our third quarter, year-to-date historic results and to answer any questions you may have about our Company. While this is our first earnings call, IRET will soon completed its 38th year as a Real Estate Investment Trust. Beginning in 1970 with assets of a $120,000 IRET has grown to its present size of over $1.5 billion in assets, by following a consistent business model that we do not intend to change in any fundamental way. Our choice as a REIT has been to be a patient long term owner of quality real estates which is maintained in excellent condition. We have over our 38 year of history assembled that the versified portfolio using a very conservative cash management policy which has voided exposure to sudden changes in the market place and we have operated with administrative costs substantially below industry averages. This has allowed us to deliver on our total at which we tend to continue to deliver a dependable and growing dividend stream to our share holders and on April 1 we will pay our 148 consecutive dividend with each years dividend having been higher than the previous year and now we will represent in the track of 7% plus return than our current stock price. Over our 38 year of history, IRET has experienced the cyclical forces that are and will continue to be inevitably a part of the world of real estate investing. Periods of strong demand, growing profits leading to overbuilding a diminished income followed by absorption of the over supply and a return to profitable conditions. The past several years have indeed been a period of excess exuberance and we are today concerned about the resulting disarray in the…
Timothy Mihalick
Chief Executive Officer
Thank you, Tom. Before I comment on our third quarter financial results with IRET’s CFO Diane Bryantt, who will also discuss in detail, I would like to make a few comments on IRET’s recent activities in the capital markets area. Last year IRET made the decision to increase investor awareness in the Company by becoming more proactive with the investment community. In last October during our second quarter we successfully completed our largest capital raised to date, the sale of 6.9 million shares of our common equity share price of $10.20. Net proceeds from this transaction were $56.4 million. The purpose on the capital raised was to fund pending or planned activities, still the most significant of which have now closed and the impact of those transactions starts results in the fourth quarter. Tom Wentz Jr., will discuss these acquisitions when it gets to his comments. We are obviously pleased with the overall success of this offering and particularly with the distribution of the share. By design we placed to sell over 50% of the stock in hands to institutional investment, most of which are new first time investors in IRET. Historically IRET has been largely helped by retail investors and we felt we needed to increase the institutional investor’s participation in our Company both for our liquidity and the plan worked. Our average daily volume is up significantly and thus far we have not extended increase in our relative price volatility. In terms of our equity performance during the third quarter IRET share price held up comparatively well than most difficult markets. At the end of our second quarter IRET’s closing share price stood at $10.85 and on January 31, 2008, the end of our third quarter IRET’s shares closed at 980 up 9.26% on a price return basis. During the same period (inaudible) was down approximately 14.6%. Next I would like to make a few comments on our financial results before I turn it over to Diane, who will take you through results in more detail. By now most of you have probably viewed our most recent 10-Q and 8-K and aware that during the third quarter our revenues increased $54.5 million from $51.1 million for the same period during the fiscal 2007. For the nine months period ended January 31, 2008 our revenues increased to $162.4 million from $144.1 million in 2007. In the third quarter our FFO increased to $15.7 million or $0.21 per share. These results were slightly below the consensus estimate of $0.22 per share due mainly to following short-term deals on our cash portfolio which was unusually large due to our October capital raise coupled with the fact that the closings on our recent acquisitions in the medical sector took longer than we had originally forecasted. With that, I will turn the discussion over to Diane Bryantt, IRET’s CFO.
Diane Bryantt
CFO
Thank you, Tom and good morning to everyone. During the third quarter of fiscal 2008 IRET acquired four properties which consisted of 163 apartment units and 143,000 square feet of commercial office property for a total purchase price of $24 million. Cash-on-hand was still strong at the end of the quarter at $76.4 million with the primary component being the cash balance from proceeds from the $6.9 million common stock offerings in October of 2007. Revenues for both the third quarter and year-to-date have increased over the comparative periods. The primary source of the increase in revenue is due to new acquisition. For the third quarter overall operating expenses have increased compared to prior periods. This increase is not only due to the acquisitions but also due to seasonal elements such as snow removal and heating and cleaning costs in the markets where our properties are located. Details of these expenses and revenues are discussed on pages 16 to 24 of the Form 10-Q which was just filed on March 11. Funds from operations, a non-GAAP measure for the first nine months of fiscal 2008 is up $7.8 million from the year earlier period, this is a 12% increase. On a per share basis however we have only had 1.5% increase due to the effect of the common share issuance in October. Now I would like to turn the discussion over to Tom Wentz, Jr. IRET’s Senior Vice President of Asset Management and Finance.
Thomas Wentz, Jr.
Management
Thank you, Diane. As indicated I have responsibility over the asset management and property management operations for the IRET portfolio. I also am responsible for coordinating the placement of debt on the individual assets the grouped assets. This morning I plan to provide an overview on the following topics, multi-family and commercial operations by segment, internal managements project, leasing trends, recent acquisitions which will include our development projects and then I will finally touch on to more detail concerning our recent financing over the last several months. First turning to multi-family operations. On the apartment side, our focus is on establishing a meaningful portfolio of apartment units covering a broad range of unit types focused on select communities in our target geographical area of the Upper Great Plains states including stand-alone projects in all the other larger metropolitan areas to provide further diversification and price appreciation potential. Multi-family operations continue to show forward progress in those markets with measurable increases in overall gross collections as well as net income. On a stabilized basis we have achieved low single digit increases in both gross and net collection. The slight improvement in conditions is the contrast to the very weak and poor environment with predominated it in a majority of IRET’s markets of approximately 2003 to 2006. While we are still dealing with some of the reasons it created a weak market earlier this decade, the primary causes appear to have largely disappeared in almost all of IRET’s permanent markets (inaudible) Despite the improvement over the past 18 months, the latest quarters saw the acceleration of certain conditions of the expense side that left unaddressed has slow that income growth and I see these trends impact the top line revenue growth for apartments as they are almost exclusively cost related. Increased commodity…
Kelly Walters
Management
Thanks Tom. In our press release announcing this quarter we asked for questions for these submitted in advance of the call and we are going to deal with those questions first and then I will ask the moderator to open the call to live questions. Second question; what are the cash and cash unleveled returns that you are investing at on new properties? As discussed by Tom Junior, the most recent acquisitions have actual gross cap rates of 10% on the medical portfolio an 8.53 climbing to 9.30 on the senior housing portfolio. Next what does the pipeline look like the future acquisitions? Actually it’s quite good. The environment we are in favors of buyer like IRTE as the financing market and more highly leveraged owners and cash cap developers are generating opportunities for us as well as probably all well capitalized real state investment trust. While cap rates remain a little sticky in a falling market there is fairly cap rate expansion going on and that we are seeing so as to just the new environment, however someone senior indicate in this opening remarks that we are going proceed in a conservative batch in the near term till we feel the economical climb as a little fair for us. Fourth question; did the cap rate expansion cause delays in acquisitions and or does it impact in sellers going forward? We touched on this a little bit. No it’s indicated by both Tom and Dian we have not seen any material negative impact in our ability to borrow or refinance our debts. We have limited debt maturing in the next 12 to 24 months and what debt is maturing in the next 12 to 24 months and what debt is maturing is the majority of which is in the multi-family…
Operator
Operator
Our first question comes from Tony Howard from Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir.
Tony Howard - Hilliard Lyons
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
Good morning Tom Sr. and Tom Jr., Tim, Diane, and Kelly thanks for setting this up.
Kelly Walters
Management
Certainly.
Tony Howard - Hilliard Lyons
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
I appreciate the -- and congratulations on your first conference call.
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
Thank you.
Tony Howard - Hilliard Lyons
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
Tom, Jr., I thought you did very detailed information and I appreciate that. Some of it would have been helpful if it was in writing though. I do have a question as far as the purchase options from Edgewood, the $14 million, how is that going to be accounted for on the balance sheet and does it that increase the cost of the properties and that will be amortized over the life of the contract with the deal.
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
Tony. I’ll let Diane handle that, she is the financial officer but that’s basically correct.
Diane Bryantt
CFO
Tony the $14.8 million will be added to the cost of these investments of acquired properties. It will be classified as tangible asset and amortized over the life of the leases.
Tony Howard - Hilliard Lyons
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
Okay and Tom Jr. as far as the increase in the rent that you are getting from Sunwest and is that what you were getting too as far as the cap rate for the option process or for what do you think the cost of the properties worth.
Thomas Wentz Jr
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
Well to clarify that $14.8 million Tony directly resulted in not only that group of assets staying on our portfolio but I did see it’s correct double count at rents that we already counted on the books but I paid to extinguish those (inaudible) that bring you the new tenant on the new lease terms. The rent of those locations increased on an annual basis filed at $935,000 and $1.6 or $1.8, so in absence we paid $14.8 million in exchange for increasing revenue of that amount just in those first three years and obviously you can project it out to a full period of time so that’s really where I come with a 9.7 cap on that.
Tony Howard - Hilliard Lyons
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
That’s a good point. Going a little bit more to color as far as what brought these properties available to IRET as far as the all of a sudden you came up with these medical properties opportunities. Where they in the watch for sometime or is it because of the Edgewood wants to get out or give me some little bit more little color that?
Thomas Wentz Jr.
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
You are talking about senior housing Tony.
Tony Howard - Hilliard Lyons
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
Yes.
Thomas Wentz Jr.
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
Really it was a decision by the fore private investors that had owned to our existing senior housing project they were looking to exit the business states, they were done with their carriers and basically matched up with Sunwest which years of previous tenants -- was already a tenant in our portfolio. We had some exposure to them, we got some other deals with them, one that’s no longer on our balance sheet, in Georgia that’s been sold but got two projects at Wisconsin, so we were familiar with both of them, so really was a decision by Sunwest a larger operator to acquire the business operation of our existing tenant which really presented this opportunity to keep the existing portfolio but also expand it.
Tony Howard - Hilliard Lyons
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
Okay well what will they just do as far as increasing G&A cost as far as the additional properties. Has there been any input as far as what you expect on that.
Thomas Wentz Jr.
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
Well on the senior housing portfolio, these are on a triple net basis, so our side of quarterly reviews of the tenants financials both on a corporate level and its individual properties of want with either annual or semi-annual inspection by us as the owner. We really don’t see any increase in our G&A for these senior housing acquisitions. Those responsibilities are going to be assigned to existing staff at IRET’s so if there is any increase for travel or other things I see it as minimal looking at the overall size of the transaction.
Tony Howard - Hilliard Lyons
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
Follow-up on that, has their Diane been any increased in G&A because of the equity offering and also have to dealt with people like myself and having your first conference call etcetera?
Diane Bryantt
CFO
We are just working harder, so we haven’t had anymore staff to deal with those two issues.
Tony Howard - Hilliard Lyons
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
Have you established a run rate for G&A?
Diane Bryantt
CFO
No I have not.
Tony Howard - Hilliard Lyons
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
What will be a good run rate? Diane Bryantt: 2.5%.
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
Tony Howard - Hilliard Lyons
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
Okay especially as far as the multipurpose property that you are doing in your hometown and as far as you are moving your corporate offices there, how is that going? How is that headset?
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
On top of schedule at least in this fall on a consistent apartment and office and retail space that made that very good leasing interest in the apartments and we will occupy about a third of the first floor space and though it’s going well on schedule on budget.
Tony Howard - Hilliard Lyons
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
Okay. Final question it was mentioned that proceeds from the offering have been virtually used up, you said that there is still possibility to refinancing other opportunities as far as -- what is your credit line and where does you availability for acquisition stand right now?
Diane Bryantt
CFO
I accept the credit line Tony.
Tony Howard - Hilliard Lyons
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
Yes.
Diane Bryantt
CFO
But your questions have not advanced on any of our credit lines available. It’s approximately $32 million available of credit.
Tony Howard - Hilliard Lyons
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
Okay. Alright and again, congratulations on your conference call.
Thomas Wentz Sr.
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
Thanks Tony.
Thomas Wentz Jr.
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
Thank you.
Operator
Operator
Thank you. Our next question will come from Chris Lucas from Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead.
Chris Lucas - Robert W. Baird
Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead
Good morning everyone.
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
Good morning.
Chris Lucas - Robert W. Baird
Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead
Just a quick follow to Tony’s question. In terms of the investment capital available for future investments if we eliminate the commitment to the development projects and the commitments to sort of planned acquisitions plus for authority closed can you give me a sense as to what is available in terms of capital available for additional investments?
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
Diane perhaps can handle that Chris.
Diane Bryantt
CFO
Chris, we’ve go a lot of cash that come in with the refinancing as well as the share I think, but after these last two acquisition here in march the cash remaining was about $27.2 million from that share offering. We still have some commitments out for our development projects. They are all at multiple stages, some loans have been closed and between we do have sufficient cash on hand to fully final commit a development projects or using the cash we have plus the pending financing.
Chris Lucas - Robert W. Baird
Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead
Okay so its sounds like they are between the cash and your pending financing that will be utilized for the development projects, we were really then talking about the availability on the line for any additional commitments to undue investments? Is that correct?
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
Well, when to development projects are finished they will be refinanced so we will have equity capital to invest as a result of that but that’s six months away, so in the mean time we content to self fund the full cost of the development projects utilized, the capital spend. Now if we find opportunities in the meantime we pay -- get construction loans and proceed but as we have indicated earlier I think we feel that maybe there are more attractive acquisition opportunities developing a few months down the road.
Chris Lucas - Robert W. Baird
Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead
Okay, thank you. And then my last question. Just in terms of internalizing the property management process, what’s the expected timeframe on that?
Tom Wentz Jr.
Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead
This is Tom, Jr. I think that’s a fairly long process and when I say long probably another 24 to 36 months on both the commercial and multi-family portfolio which has started. I mean one of the challenges we have and I don’t think we’ll ever get to 100% internal management is that we are spread over a very large geographical area landmass-wise, not a lot of activity in between the population center. Well I would see it as a 24 to 36 months process to be profitably correctly because property management is critical to the underlying success we have to have probably of the structure of people and systems in place.
Chris Lucas - Robert W. Baird
Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead
There’s a quick follow-up. What percentage of your portfolio do you expect to ultimately be internalized?
Tom Wentz Jr.
Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead
Well, I think that’s difficult for us to say now. I mean we look at it on a case by case basis but obviously our goal is 100%. I don’t think that’s achievable, but I think that’s going to be our target. If I was going to assess looking at our portfolio as it exist today –- to the end of the –- like we can take into account future acquisitions, I would say we would get close to 90% of the portfolio.
Chris Lucas - Robert W. Baird
Analyst · Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead
Thank you very much.
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
Thanks Chris. Operator.
Operator
Operator
Yes, thank you. Our next question comes from Jim Bellessa -- I'm sorry from D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.
Jim Bellessa - D.A. Davidson
Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead
Good morning.
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
Good morning Jim.
Tom Wentz Jr.
Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead
Good morning Jim.
Jim Bellessa - D.A. Davidson
Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead
When I saw this press release last Friday night you purchased in two transactions eight senior living facilities for $44.7 million and I divided it by the number of units or beds and I was coming up with $136,000 and then on the other transaction that’s pending I was coming up with $80,000 per unit or bed. Is the location in the difference in the price tag per bed?
Tom Wentz Jr.
Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead
This is Tom Jr. I like to address that. These locations I think really that the answer is that we have a mixed bag of senior housing projects in there and the one that’s pending, that’s the one you are referring to which is $14.7 million. That actually out of the group -- is the oldest senior housing facility. It’s approximately ten years old and that does have an impact or bearing on price as opposed to that group of eight that came in which represents a much newer basket of senior housing facilities and so that really is the explanation. It’s the difference between the assets.
Jim Bellessa - D.A. Davidson
Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead
I don’t know the senior housing market very well but I do follow a couple of skilled nursing facilities. It seems like their acquisition costs are significantly below these figures. Can you comment?
Tom Wentz Jr.
Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead
That’s a difficult one for me to assess, not going where I am preparing it to. I guess when we look at these transactions; they fit within the parameters of what we see in our market. We have built senior housing facilities most recently if you go back through our filings being constructed, a brand new senior housing facility addition its given point with Wisconsin by the construction cost first hands for new construction and really view this as consistent and these are established, even leased up locations with the exception of the far going North Dakota facility which just was completed as soon as leased up otherwise all of these are extremely profitable at the offer rate or level have a long established history in both cases so. As far as what we’ve seen, we saw these prices as consistent with the market price on a per square foot there are unit basis and afforded us to an above market cap rate in our opinion.
Jim Bellessa - D.A. Davidson
Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead
Tom senior talked about how conservative you are and how careful you will be about committing the new real estate and new equity. If you have a downturn here and I don’t know when the bottom is but what is your sense of how long before the bottom is reached.
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
Well if I knew that Jim -- I think it’s several months, certainly its three to six months before we get a better sense of whether we have achieved the bottom. I think in my 38 years in this business this is the most out settling type that I’ve experienced because my memory has faded. We really don’t know, it’s a short answer and until we feel we know we want to be careful.
Jim Bellessa - D.A. Davidson
Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead
Thank you very much.
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
Thanks Jim. Operator.
Operator
Operator
Our next question comes from Greg Sukenik from Zacks Investment Research.
Greg Sukenik
Analyst · Zacks Investment Research
Hello good morning. Zacks Investment Research: Hello good morning.
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
Good morning Greg.
Greg Sukenik
Analyst · Zacks Investment Research
Do you guys have a sense of a dollar amount of acquisitions you estimate over the next year and dispositions? Do you have that planned or anything? Zacks Investment Research: Do you guys have a sense of a dollar amount of acquisitions you estimate over the next year and dispositions? Do you have that planned or anything?
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
Well, we are looking through a portfolio to determine assets that we would think about putting on the market, but we hesitate to quantify that till historically we have been acquiring from $100 to $200 million of property. Because of the comments about our concern over the volatility of the market I think we wouldn’t want to suggest we are going to be able to acquire at our historic levels because I think we want to settle that and be a little bit more careful. Although as our history indicates transaction is up here at the favorable, but idealistic conditions are such that we don’t want to anticipate significant acquisitions for the next three to six months. Other than the ones that we are looking at which are not insignificant is the lease projects. And I think the trend may be that we will develop more of our own properties that seem -- the changes of certain periods and the cycle you can acquire existing or more favorable terms Right now we look to build both senior housing medical and apartments are on a core rate lanes at the area where the markets are extremely strong so I think that will probably take up our time and our money and will be our focus with it at period going forward.
Greg Sukenik
Analyst · Zacks Investment Research
Okay anything on dispositions you think or… Zacks Investment Research: Okay anything on dispositions you think or…
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
We are as I say we are looking through our portfolio and in conjunction with our desire to bring our management in-house we are looking at outline investments that we might sell and try to reinvest in more a compact geographic area. So we are studying that but at this point we have nothing to conclude that.
Greg Sukenik
Analyst · Zacks Investment Research
Okay, one more question. Even I didn’t see anything published you have leasing spreads on like your office leases that were signed in the quarter? Anything like that, like numbers? Zacks Investment Research: Okay, one more question. Even I didn’t see anything published you have leasing spreads on like your office leases that were signed in the quarter? Anything like that, like numbers?
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
Diane.
Diane Bryantt
CFO
In the supplemental exhibits to the press release there is a section on the leasing trends of -- for new and renewed leases. I will finally comment on those if they are not (inaudible) leases that expired, leases that came on to in a different building.
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
Right the difficulty grade is obviously the non-homogeneous nature of our portfolio that makes it difficult for any sort of effort to be meaningful.
Diane Bryantt
CFO
That’s on page 14 of the 80 supplemental packet that was also filed on March 11.
Greg Sukenik
Analyst · Zacks Investment Research
Okay I’ll take a look at them. Okay. That’s all my questions. Thank you. Zacks Investment Research: Okay I’ll take a look at them. Okay. That’s all my questions. Thank you.
Tom Wentz Sr.
Management
Thanks Greg.
Tom Wentz Jr.
Analyst · Zacks Investment Research
Thank you.
Operator
Operator
That does conclude today’s question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Ton Wentz Sr. for closing remarks.
Thomas Wentz Sr.
Analyst · Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead sir
On behalf of IRET, I want to thank all of the participants in the call. This one is our first effort and we will look forward to future conference call and encourage all of you to contact us if you have any additional questions. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
Thank you. That does conclude today’s conference call you may disconnect now.