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CSG Systems International, Inc. (CSGS)

Q1 2014 Earnings Call· Tue, May 6, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the CST Systems Q1 2014 Earnings Announcement. [Operator Instructions] This conference is being recorded today, Tuesday, May 6, 2014. I would now like to turn the conference over to Liz Bauer. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Liz Bauer

Analyst

Thank you, Sherell, and thanks to everyone for joining us. Today's discussion will contain a number of forward-looking statements. These will include, but are not limited to statements regarding our projected financial results; our ability to meet our clients' needs through our products, services and performance; and our ability to successfully integrate and manage acquired businesses in order to achieve their expected strategic, operating and financial goals. While these statements reflect our best current judgment, they are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially. Please note that these forward-looking statements reflect our opinions only as of the date of this call, and we undertake no obligation to revise or publicly release any revision to these forward-looking statements in light of new or future events. In addition to factors noted during this call, a more comprehensive discussion of our risk factors can be found in today's press release, as well as our most recently filed 10-K and 10-Q, which are all available in the Investor Relations section of our website. Also, we will discuss certain financial information that is not prepared in accordance with GAAP. We believe that these non-GAAP financial measures, when reviewed in conjunction with our GAAP financial measures, provide investors with greater transparency to the information used by our management team in our financial and operational decision-making. For more information regarding our use of non-GAAP financial measures, we refer you to today's earnings release and non-GAAP reconciliation tables on our website, which will also be furnished to the SEC on Form 8-K. With me today on the phone are Peter Kalan, our Chief Executive Officer; and Randy Wiese, our Chief Financial Officer. With that, I'd like to now turn the call over to Peter.

Peter Kalan

Analyst

Thank you, Liz, and thanks to everyone for joining us on today's call. We had another solid quarter, generating strong revenues and earnings and in particular, in our Processing business, which includes our North American cable and satellite and international managed services clients. We continue to help our clients navigate a rapidly moving and changing landscape. Our focus on helping them drive down their operational cost, introduce new revenue-generating services and create loyal and committed customer relationships continues to position us as a trusted and valued partner. The importance of these activities is playing out across the globe with every type of operator. Let me expand upon this. Last week, I attended the National Cable Television Association's Annual Conference. I've been attending this conference for over 15 years, and I have to tell you that I left this year's conference feeling extremely optimistic about where we, as a company, are headed. The changes that have occurred in the industry over the past 5 years are astounding. When I first attended this conference 15 years ago, we discussed the possibility of offering new services like voice and high-speed data to cable customers. Today, with the power of the network, the advent of new intuitive devices, the proliferation of innovation, whether that be in content, in apps or in learning, and the increased choices that consumers now have, CSG is participating and enabling one of the most powerful revolutions that we will witness in our lifetime, the digital revolution. Today, approximately 283 million Americans watch TV each month. Each week, the average American watches approximately 34 hours of content via their TVs and 50 minutes of content online. This data reinforces a few key points that are not driving -- that are driving not only our clients' investments but CSG's, as well.…

Randy Wiese

Analyst

Thank you, Peter, and welcome to all of you on the call today to discuss our financial results for the first quarter and our outlook for 2014. Overall, our first quarter performance was within our expectations and we are maintaining our full year guidance. Now, I'd like to walk you through the financial results. Total revenues for the first quarter were $188 million, up 4% from the same quarter last year, primarily due to increased processing revenues from some special project work and continued organic growth of various ancillary products and services. Sequentially, revenues in the quarter decreased $7 million, as CSG typically experiences seasonally stronger software services revenues in the fourth quarter. Breaking down revenues further, in the first quarter, we had 3 clients that each individually generated revenues of 10% or more of our total revenues: Comcast, DISH and Time Warner. Together, they were 47% of revenues for the quarter. Additionally, for the quarter, we generated 86% of our revenues from the Americas region; 10% of our revenues from the Europe, Middle East and Africa region; and 4% of our revenues from the Asia Pacific region. Our non-GAAP operating income for the first quarter was $30 million, with a margin of 16%. Although, our total expenses were in line with our expectation, there were 2 expense items in the quarter that were unusual that I'd like to mention as you'll see them come through our financials for the quarter. First, during the quarter, we recorded a provision within our cost of software services expense line item of $4 million, for estimated cost overruns related to a large software and services implementation project. Because of the complexity of the overall project, the estimated costs and efforts required to complete of the project have increased significantly from our original expectations.…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Tom Roderick with Stifel Nicolaus.

Tom Roderick

Analyst

So let me start with the first high-level question, which I understand there's a lot of puts and takes going on in this space right now, particularly with the Comcast and Time Warner situation. So I understand there's a lot you can't answer about that. But given the range of outcomes and some of the things that have already been discussed with a few million subs potentially being farmed out to a third-party at this point, how are you encouraging investors to think about what these range of outcomes could mean to you, positive, negative, what are the risk factors and what are the opportunities?

Peter Kalan

Analyst

Sure, Tom. This is Peter. I'll give you some color. We're not sizing specifically what we think is the potential for the number of subs that will be consolidated under one provider versus others because we think it's still early, waiting for regulatory approval and finalization of how we our clients want to run their operations. But importantly, we believe that when we look at the market, holistically, that the consolidation really provides communication providers the opportunity to drive benefits to their standardization, their scale operations and their consistent delivery of new products and services to their end customers. And over the years, we've clearly seen benefits from providers consolidating, whether that goes from TCI to MediaOne, the Adelphia. We've seen that benefit us, and since our systems are being used to support the major providers that are all in discussions with Time Warner, Charter and Comcast. And importantly, the work that we're doing to help them drive the evolution of how their consumers can get products and services in new days -- in new ways, we think we're very well-positioned to benefit as the market consolidates and that we think that we have the potential to pick up market share. But we need some passage of time to take place as our clients start to digest and plan around what they have now announced.

Tom Roderick

Analyst

Got it. Okay. That's helpful. Let me switch gears here. You mentioned, Peter, the cyber-security offering that was rolled out this -- kind of late this winter. Can you talk a little bit more about the cyber threat response program that you've got built out, where some of that technology came from? And in particular, as you get into the security and data orchestrator components of the solution, how differentiated is that from other pieces in the marketplace. I mean, it seems like it's been a crowded market over time, but certainly, you've got some technology that's very capable of handling high volumes of transaction and looking at those holistically. So kind of curious how you think the projects shakes out as you headed out there in the marketplace a few months ago?

Peter Kalan

Analyst

Yes, thanks, Tom. It's clear, you've done a research because you know some of the products' sub-names, and so I appreciate that. I think just to add some color and some context to that before talking about the specifics, there's no doubt that the reports of cyber threats and the attacks are constantly in the news. It's having impacts to the way businesses run. It's having impacts to how executives think about running their businesses. And I don't think there's any debate that the volume and types of threats that businesses and consumers alike face is growing in number. And I think what we're finding from the clients that we talked to and the prospects, it's becoming harder for them to appropriately identify and respond in a timely fashion to remediate the threats. What we found was that there's a lot of detection systems that are out there, able to ascertain that there's been a threat that's come into the network. But when you have many of these coming through, sifting through and then determining how to respond in a timely fashion was a place that technology had not been deployed. And it was really -- we carved out a new spot for how you think about remediating the issues and protecting the network after a threat was identified and making sense of which ones you should respond to. So our innovative solution, the security orchestrator, it was built from our proven and highly scalable intermediate and interactivate solution that can process -- for some of our clients, they're processing 1 billion transactions a day, amazing volumes come through. And what we have found that there is a need to quickly and actively -- and rapidly act when a threat is detected, so that we can put the network security and information specialist, the network specialist in a business, in a best position to alleviate the dangers that their business is facing when that threat is there. And in many cases, that's a very manual process. It's a process that they go through, what they call, security battle books and go through and determine what they need to do and there's no reason technology can't be used. We think we've created a new subsegment of cyber security. We don't think there's others that are doing it. There are some who -- some technologies that aren't proven like ours where people are trying to be fast followers to what we do. But we think right now, that this is a really big market and that we're first to market, and what we've got to do is move quickly and build upon the RSA announcement that we came up with in February of this year. So right now, we still remain very enthused about this and we're building '14 to give us a foundation for '15.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Howard Smith with First Analysis.

Howard Smith

Analyst · First Analysis.

Question regarding the $4 million of excess cost that you took in the cost to services. If I look through your portfolio of what you're working on, how would you assess the risks -- how many large projects like this where you might have some additional exposure in the future?

Peter Kalan

Analyst · First Analysis.

That's a good question for us, Howard. I would tell you that one is we think is -- one is this is a Singl.eView implementation, so just to give some context, which is our more complicated implementations. This is a transformation project for our client, not an extension of an existing system. It is a solution that the client is looking to really change the way that they conduct their business. We don't do a lot of this per year. This is one of the larger ones that we've got in our queue for this year. We strive to have several of these going on at the same time. We don't we have anything else queued up right now in our delivery that has the complexity that's in front of us. Without a doubt, we misscoped this project and its complexity, and as a result, it's taking us more time and effort to deliver the solution that meets the clients expectation. But what gives me very positive confidence is that this solution is important to our clients' transformation and we believe that we're in a good position to not only learn from this but make sure that we really cement ourselves with the client. Make no mistake, we're very disappointed that's what happened on this. But we think we've learned some lessons on the scoping on these complex projects that we thought we were pretty good on, but this one, we got caught on some misses and also managing the customers expectations clearly because that can be an exposure for you as well if you don't have that fully sized and managed as you go through the projects. So a long-winded answer for you, Howard, but as I have -- it sounds like I'm long-winded today, but we don't think we have any meaningful exposure on other projects at this point. Randy, you look at the portfolios as well, do you differ?

Randy Wiese

Analyst · First Analysis.

I think you're right, Peter. At this point, there's no other contract of this size that has the same degree of risk profile.

Howard Smith

Analyst · First Analysis.

And then probably, unrelated but possibly related question. You do a great job of outlining Evotis [ph]. Another growth driver here potentially is the managed services. I was just wondering if we could get an update on that. And the part that might be related, when you contract for some of these managed services engagements, how much economic risk are you taking in kind of bringing those up and implementing? It's different than kind of the Singl.eView implementation risk, I understand, but just trying to ballpark that.

Peter Kalan

Analyst · First Analysis.

Well, there's different pieces of our managed services. There's some where we're going back into clients with existing implementations already active and live and taking on more of the operational support. So you really don't -- you don't have an implementation effort on it and those projects are assumption of staff or replacement of staff and you take an ongoing project that's already live and really improve the operations and the effectiveness of the way the system is running. We've don't think those have cost risk. There's others where we all go out and we'll go to a new client with a new implementation of a system, and as part of that, we are putting the system in, and, then managing it on a go-forward basis. What we strive to do on those is manage the cash flows so that the cash flows are aligned up more in line with where our costs are. So we don't take as much cash flow risk on it. We do have to perform, we do have to deliver, but we think at least manage the kind of the cash economics of it going forward. Randy, I maybe stepping on your area, but anything you would add to...

Randy Wiese

Analyst · First Analysis.

I think you summarized it very well.

Howard Smith

Analyst · First Analysis.

And just kind of unrelated to the risk side, could you give us an update on your feeling toward managed services?

Peter Kalan

Analyst · First Analysis.

Yes, sure, I'm sorry...

Howard Smith

Analyst · First Analysis.

No, we don't want to gloss over the good stuff, right?

Peter Kalan

Analyst · First Analysis.

I think it's -- I'm very enthusiastic. There's -- we're continuing to see our pipeline grow and we've signed several deals over the last, really, the last 2 quarters and we have several deals that we still expect to sign this year. The deals that we signed in the fourth quarter and the first quarter were smaller. They don't have as big an impact to kind of the long-term evolution of the best of that we're trying to do. But we have some larger opportunities in our pipeline that we're feeling confident about and our clients are showing the right type of interest and we believe in the coming periods that we'll have some very positive things to announce on that. Our pipeline is strong and we remain very, very bullish on this, not only for what it does for the clients, but what it really does to transform the way we think about this kind of the international business and how it will influence probably our domestic business long-term, as well.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from the line of Ryan Miller with Rolling Rock Capital.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Rolling Rock Capital.

I was hoping if you could comment on capital use, capital allocation. It seems like if you hit your numbers at the end of this year, you're going to have roughly $8 this year in cash, that's around 30% of the market cap to go on a cash adjusted tax -- cash adjusted EPS basis, the company is trading at around 7x adjusted EPS. Where management's head on moving EPS forward? It's been flat for about 5 years now.

Randy Wiese

Analyst · Rolling Rock Capital.

Yes, Ryan, this is Randy. We laid out a framework last year to give you an idea of what our expectations are. Right now, we would expect to take 25% to 50% of our free cash flow and distribute it in some form back to the shareholders. Right now, our dividend that we do on a quarterly basis really puts you at the bottom of that range of 25%. And if you look at probably over the last several years, what we've been doing is we've been buying back shares at the pace that we've been issuing on a net basis, into our employee incentive plans, so it's been anywhere from $10 million to $15 million of share buybacks, in that form. So if you do the math there, you get pretty much in the mid range of that 25% to 50%. The balance of the 50% really is -- allows us to invest back into the business in the form of either M&A or just internal investments. So we're looking for a 50/50 split, 25% to 50%, back to the shareholders and 50% to invest back into the business.

Peter Kalan

Analyst · Rolling Rock Capital.

And I guess that begs the question, if that's the current cash flow, which is around 10% or so, the share price a year, you're sitting on -- at end of this year you'll be sitting on $260 million of cash for a company with this type of stability, with long-term contracts, high margins, high free cash flow to use it on a gross basis you'd be around 1.5x levered. Given that and given the positive in earnings growth in the past 5 years, I think it would be interesting to hear your take on something more substantial than a current income distribution.

Peter Kalan

Analyst · Rolling Rock Capital.

So I think what I hear you saying, Ryan, is that do you believe our existing capital structure, separate apart from what our cash flow uses are, is appropriate for a company with our kind of financial profile. It's something that we continually evaluate. We have discussions with our board on this. One of the things that we are currently looking at from as we look at the business is we are servicing markets that are going through extreme transformation. And what we believe, is that we believe we're well-positioned, but we're not -- we're not going to go in with the idea that says we have everything understood and conquered, and therefore, we need the flexibility of having a strong capital position to be able to respond if the market opportunities allow us to need to do something in an investment in our business. Especially with -- you look at what's happening with the consolidation in the North American cable space, the contemplation of what you may hear along with broader communication space. The cable space in Europe is consolidating with the wireless providers. We thing that creates opportunities for us, but we want to make sure as this plays out, that we have a flexible capital structure that allows us to be responsive and win in those ways. So completely understand your viewpoint that says we could easily lever up and change the capital structure, more debt and less equity on the books. But as we've, in the near-term, looked at this, we don't think that's the most appropriate based on the dynamics happening in the market place.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Rolling Rock Capital.

Yes, and I don't think I'll be advocating for something irresponsible, but we're looking at cash balances that in terms of -- that would -- an acquisition would be a -- would have to be an enormous acquisition, larger than the Intec acquisition. Does this management team have appetite for that type of transformational acquisition, obviously, Intec, there were certainly a lot of -- you've stumbled along that road.

Peter Kalan

Analyst · Rolling Rock Capital.

Completely understand that those are the things that would have to be considered on this and what we're looking at today is, as we work with our board, is that we talked about retaining flexibility as we go through this. The opportunity is not going away for us on this, but we believe that there are some unique opportunities coming up in front of us that we want certainty on as we think about how we build our balance sheet for the future.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst · Rolling Rock Capital.

Okay. That's helpful. So it sounds like there are things in the pipe that could be large for you guys, from an acquisition standpoint.

Peter Kalan

Analyst · Rolling Rock Capital.

Not just from an acquisition, from business opportunities that we want to make sure that we have a clear grasp of what -- both from an M&A, the opportunities for consolidation, what the impacts of consolidation in the space create as opportunities for us. Understanding all those and having those fully baked into our plans is an appropriate thing to when the market is going through a lot of change.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And I'm showing no further questions in the queue. I would like to hand the call back over to Mr. Kalan for closing remarks.

Peter Kalan

Analyst

Well, thank you, and for all of those on the call, we just appreciate the continued support both on our business. We are in interesting times, as I think that the Chinese proverb would state, that those interesting times are creating opportunities for us and we see it as consumers and what the opportunities are and as a provider of business solutions to this space, we're probably more excited than we've ever been to see what's happening. So we look forward to report future successes as we move forward, and we'll talk to you in 3 months.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude the CSG System's Q1 2014 Earnings Announcement. We thank you for your participation, and you may now disconnect.