Good morning, and welcome to the Crocs Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Erinn Murphy, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Strategy. Please go ahead.

Good morning, and thank you for joining us to discuss Crocs, Inc. second quarter results. With me today are Andrew Rees, Chief Executive Officer; and Susan Healy, Chief Financial Officer. Following their prepared remarks, we will open the call for your questions, which we ask you to limit to one per caller. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that some of the information provided on this call is forward-looking and accordingly, is subject to the safe harbor provisions of the federal securities laws. These statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors, which may cause our actual results, performance or achievements to differ materially. Please refer to our most recent annual report on Form 10-K, quarterly report on Form 10-Q and other reports filed with the SEC for more information on these risks and uncertainties. Certain financial metrics that we refer to as adjusted or non-GAAP are non-GAAP measures. A reconciliation of these amounts to their GAAP counterparts is contained in the press release we issued earlier this morning. All revenue growth rates will be cited on a constant currency basis, unless otherwise stated. At this time, I'll turn the call over to Andrew Rees, Crocs, Inc. Chief Executive Officer.

Thank you, Erinn, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. Our teams delivered a solid second quarter, fueled by top line growth and our highest ever quarterly gross profit, which drove strong free cash flow in the midst of what continues to be a volatile marketplace. I will start by highlighting the key metrics of the quarter and then discuss the strategic rationale behind the decisions we have made to drive profitability and support long-term brand health. And finally, we'll touch on deeper insights on our individual brands. At an enterprise level, second quarter revenues of $1.1 billion grew 3% to prior year. Crocs Brand revenues of $960 million grew 4% to prior year, led by 16% international growth. HEYDUDE revenues of $190 million, down 4% to prior year and an improvement from the first quarter. Enterprise adjusted gross margins of 61.7% gained 30 basis points to our prior year. Adjusted operating margin of approximately 27% supported adjusted diluted earnings per share of $4.23, a gain of 5% to prior year. Our strong margin profile fueled free cash flow of $269 million, enabling us to repurchase 1.3 million shares and repay $105 million of debt. Our net leverage ended the quarter at the lower end of our target range of 1x to 1.5x. To remind everyone, over the last decade, we have deployed $2.4 billion to buy back approximately 30% of our total shares outstanding. This, along with continued deleverage of our balance sheet, has been a consistent driver of EPS growth and shareholder returns. Turning now to the current operating environment. We see the U.S. consumer behaving cautiously around discretionary spending. They are faced with current and implied future price increases, which we think has the potential to be a further drag on an already choiceful…

Thank you, Andrew, and good morning, everyone. Our second quarter enterprise revenues of $1.1 billion were up 3% to prior year. Crocs Brand revenue of $960 million was up 4% to prior year. Growth was led by wholesale up 6%, while DTC was up 3%. North America revenues were down 6% to last year as we pulled back on discounting during the quarter. These actions, in part, drove DTC down 8%, while wholesale was down 4%. International revenue was up 16%, aided in part by timing shifts out of Q3 and into Q2 in select markets. China and India led the growth, while Japan and Western Europe also contributed strongly to these results. HEYDUDE Brand revenue of $190 million was down 4% to prior year, an improvement from the prior quarter. DTC was up 7%, driven by the contribution of new retail stores and our strong performance on TikTok Shop. Wholesale was down 13% in the quarter. Enterprise adjusted gross margins of 61.7% were up 30 basis points to prior year. Crocs Brand adjusted gross margin of 64.1% was approximately flat to prior year. HEYDUDE Brand adjusted gross margin of 50.2% was up 110 basis points to prior year, primarily due to distribution and logistics efficiencies. Adjusted SG&A dollars for the quarter increased 12% versus prior year. Adjusted SG&A rate was 34.7%, up 270 basis points compared to prior year, driven by incremental investments in talent, DTC and marketing. This excludes the noncash impairment charge of $737 million on HEYDUDE's intangible assets. This impairment comes as a result of a longer-than-expected time line to stabilize the HEYDUDE Brand and return it to growth, due in part to a weaker U.S. consumer and the disproportionate impact of tariffs on HEYDUDE product. Adjusted operating margin of 26.9% was down 240 basis points…

Thank you, Susan. While the current environment has created uncertainty for the industry and for our consumers, I'm confident that the increasingly diversified sources of growth we are developing and the strategic actions we are taking, will position our brands for consistent and profitable long-term growth. At this time, we'll open the call for questions.

[Operator Instructions] And our first question today will come from Jonathan Komp with Baird.

Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division I want to start just by asking about Crocs North America and the outlook for Q3. I'm hoping you might be able to better isolate some of the unique factors impacting Q3 versus what might be lasting? And then as you look forward, especially into 2026, I know you've made some changes at the organization at the Chief Brand Officer level, Chief Strategy position. So just as you look forward beyond the next couple of quarters, could you give us more sense of the pipeline and the strategy in terms of reinvigorating the excitement for the brand?

Great. Thank you, John. I think as you look to the back half of the year for the Crocs Brand in North America, there's a number of things affecting the business. Some choices that we have made, which we think will be productive in the long term and also some market-related factors. Our consumer is an incredibly broad-based consumer. If you look at our demographics and who we sell to from the Crocs Brand, it's essentially the general population. So as you look at the general population, there is a portion of that consumer base which we think is ample evidence that they are super cautious. They're they are not purchasing, they're not even going to the stores, and we see traffic down. So we're certainly affected by that, and we see that flowing through into our back half in terms of really our wholesale business and a little bit of our outlet business where we see that lower end consumer. So we see our order books down and we see a trajectory for our wholesale business. That is unintended and not necessarily out of our control, but that is what it is. I think the second piece is our decision to pull back on discounting on the Crocs Brand in North America, in particular, and that is a fact that is an intentional decision we make. That's a revenue headwind, but a gross margin and ultimately an EBIT potential. We think that's important to do that because as we looked at the trajectory and the discounting over time, we saw it increasing, and we think that is detrimental to the long-term health of the brand. So that's really, I think when you kind of look at the North American market. What I would say is, we've got consumer innovation…

Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division Okay. Great. I appreciate all that color. Just two follow-ups, if I could. Do you think in some of your core family channels, are you losing share in the order book at all as larger competitors come back with emphasis on the channel? And then just any more detail on protecting the profitability. I don't know if you were surprised by the magnitude of the revenue slowdown just given the size of the deleverage that you're implying for Q3, looks hard to see where you're seeing progress on protecting profitability just based on the Q3 outlook alone.

Got it. Yes, that makes sense. So yes, I think if you look at the -- I think what you're referencing, we do see an athletic trend in the marketplace. I think everybody is well aware of that, talked about that. There is, I think, a clear athletic trend the consumers migrating back towards athletic. We know that is a cyclical trend. And as we look at some key athletic events coming up, we do think that will persist for a while. You've got the World Cup next year. You have the L.A. Olympics in a couple of years. And I think the athletic brands are building innovation into that, which they typically do. So that's a little bit of a headwind. I think we can fight that headwind in the long term. And we also know that our brand is well positioned against pre- and post-sport. So I think athletic headwind is providing some pressure on open-to-buy, combined with the consumer uncertainty of that very broad consumer base. In terms of protecting profitability, yes, I think there's a couple of things. If you look at Q3, 170 basis points of the deleverage are tariffs, and obviously, that will continue into '26 and beyond. I think in our prepared remarks, Susan gave you some good color on what that looks like. And in terms of -- I think I'm anticipating that Q3 is a bit of a low spot in our EBIT potential. We've taken out $50 million of cost savings already. Some of those are spread between gross margin and SG&A. And we will look -- and we are currently engaged in an extensive process to drive incremental cost savings or incremental SG&A reductions throughout the remainder of the year.

And our next question will come from Chris Nardone with Bank of America.

BofA Securities, Research Division So first, are you seeing anything in your Crocs international business that is implying a material step change for your back half outlook relative to the mid-teens growth in the most recent quarter? And then on your global Crocs direct business, is the slowdown that you're embedding in your 3Q guidance, is that matching what you're seeing? Or are you baking in a scenario where sales continue to sequentially get worse throughout the rest of the quarter?

Okay. Let me answer the international piece. I'm going to come back to you on the DTC piece. I didn't quite understand what you're asking there. So from an international perspective, there are always a kind of few puts and takes between quarters, particularly around your distributor business, and you're probably well aware our distributor business is substantial. And so -- but in the long run, a mid- teens growth trajectory for our international business, we feel very good about that. I think we highlighted in the prepared remarks, strong growth in China, really successful mid-season festival; strong growth in India, another large -- a very large potential market; good performance in Western Europe; and actually return to growth in Japan, which we're also excited about. So I think our international business remains really important to us. It could be a driver of growth. I would also highlight in Q2, it was the majority of our Crocs business, right? We passed the 50% mark in terms of the international business being bigger than our domestic business. I think puts and takes between quarters will be kind of around that longer-term trajectory. The second piece, I'm not 100% clear what you were asking there.

BofA Securities, Research Division Yes. So I'm just trying to get a sense of -- I know you're not guiding 3Q by channel, by region per se, but we're a little over a month into the quarter. It sounds like the outlook is getting a little bit worse. Are you baking in things sequentially getting worse as we move through the quarter? Or are you kind of calling the 3Q guidance based on the trends you're seeing as of today, the first couple of weeks of the quarter?

Yes. We're not baking in it getting sequentially worse as it goes through the quarter. From now, we do think the back half is worse than the first half, right, based on the things I talked about earlier. So -- but do I -- do we see it sequentially declining from sort of our July trajectory as we go through the year? We were not anticipating that. I think there is an element of cautiousness and we recognize the consumer is pretty unpredictable, particularly here in the North America. We do see sort of fairly significant fluctuations week-to-week. So I think we've got some cautiousness embedded in it, but we haven't embedded a downward trajectory month over month from now.

BofA Securities, Research Division Got it. That's very clear. And then just to sneak one more in just on margins. I just wanted to get a sense of how you're thinking about taking price for both plans -- for both brands and what's included in your margin guidance in terms of mitigation strategies around tariffs. It sounds like you're pulling back on promos and DTC, which is leading to lower volumes. So I'm just wondering if that's making you rethink whether you think you can take price across both brands.

Yes. I mean this is -- so I think we can, over the medium term, mitigate the impact of tariffs. That will come from cost savings in our supply chain, both negotiations with factories, which I don't think is a huge amount, but there's some there, but also just efficiency drive within our supply chain. It will come from some price, and it will come also from some reduction in SG&A through, again, looking much harder and driving to efficiency. In terms of your specific question around price, we have selective actions planned, some in the back end of this year for HEYDUDE. We are getting some net price, as you pointed out, through reduction in discounting. And we have -- we will be announcing some price increases on Crocs, both in select styles and also in some of our international markets where we think we have opportunities. So we're going to, I think, be very strategic about where we get price. We don't think this is a market that we can be taking all of our prices up by a certain amount to simply mitigate the tariffs. I don't think that's realistic given where our brands sell and the very broad base of our consumer base.

And our next question will come from Adrienne Yih with Barclays.

Barclays Bank PLC, Research Division Andrew, I guess my question is, given the down 9% to 11%, how much of that is due to kind of the wholesale pullback? Is that a reaction to the front order book? Or is that more of a proactive management, given kind of everything that you know about what's happening and potentially with the consumer kind of demand environment? And how do you think about philosophically balancing that with the risk of losing shelf space in the marketplace?

Right. So I would say the guide embeds the order book for both brands, right? So we've been -- it's not -- we're not anticipating an erosion of order book. It embeds the order book where it sits today. And I would say it also embeds conservative assumptions around returns or cancellations, right? So we're definitely, I think, being very cautious about how we're anticipating the market flowing out over the next 6 months and how the consumer is going to react. In terms of shelf space, I think in response to Jon's question, I think in some channels of wholesale distribution, we are losing shelf space relative to other brands, relative to the athletic brands. And I think we are working to make sure that we drive incremental shelf space with sandals. We certainly picked up shelf space in the summer with sandals. We think we will pick up more shelf space in sandals next year. But a significant part of our clogs business is done through our DTC channels, right? It's done through our retail stores and our digital channels. And obviously, I think we're maintaining market share through those channels.

Barclays Bank PLC, Research Division Okay. Great. And then my just clarifying question. You said that within that guidance of down 9% to 11% at Crocs, if I heard correctly, it would be down mid-single digits. So HEYDUDE will then kind of go -- kind of the trajectory of HEYDUDE will worsen pretty significantly. Is that -- are you seeing more of this wholesale kind of pullback and more of the actions, the reset actions at the wholesale brand?

Yes. I think the principal driver of that leg down for HEYDUDE is the actions that we decided to take, right? The first is the reset of some inventory in the wholesale, and that's pretty significant, and that will be done essentially in Q3. So that's a meaningful amount. And the second is the reduction of marketing, so performance marketing on our digital channels where we've seen that creep up over a number of quarters, and we've got to a point where the marginal profitability was really not there. So we took an opportunity to -- we took a tough decision to reset that. So it's principally due to those two things. I wouldn't say the wholesale trajectory and order book trajectory is dramatically worse than Crocs, is a little bit below, but those are the two biggest things.

Barclays Bank PLC, Research Division Okay. And then two clarifying questions for Susan. When you say the current tariff environment, you mean the August 1, right? They put all that whole litany of kind of new numbers for all the different separate countries. Is that kind of the new $90 million annual growth unmitigated? And then secondarily, the inventory up 7%. How much of that is now due to the cost of tariffs?

Yes. So on the first part of your question, yes, that is an up-to-date number. I think, as of hot off the presses. So that includes everything that we heard as of August, plus I think there was a -- there's a 50% tariff on India that we have incorporated in that number. India is a meaningful but not the largest country from which we source exports to the U.S. And then your second part of your question was about inventory. Yes, up 7%. We don't break that out, but a meaningful portion of that is the cost of the tariffs, and we capitalize that in our inventory and recognize that as we sell the product.

And our next question will come from Anna Andreeva with Piper Sandler.

Piper Sandler & Co., Research Division Just a follow-up on the pullback in promotional activity of Crocs in North America. Did you quantify that impact in the second quarter or how we should think about that for 3Q? And we still see Crocs around promotions around big events, whether it was Memorial Day or July 4 weekend. So just trying to understand how we should think about the magnitude of that pullback manifesting. And then secondly to Andrew, on the shelf space losses to athletics, just trying to understand athletic space has been strong for some time now. Why do you think your losses are accelerating now?

Got it. So we haven't quantified in dollars, the amount of the pullback relative to the reduction in discounts. But what I could say is if you look at Q2, which is down essentially almost 6%, right, for North America for Crocs. If we had, I think, not made that decision, it would have been down slightly. So it was a pretty meaningful impact. And yes, I think to your question, will we still run, I would say, competitive discounts and promotional events around key events? Absolutely, we will. But we are being careful about the depth and the breadth of those events and also making sure that we are not running significant events between those time periods. So it is a very meaningful change in terms of dollars that we are foregoing in North America for future health of the brand. And the second point, I -- I'm not sure I agree with you, right, in terms of the athletic trend. I think there are some high-end athletic brands that have been performing very strongly in North America for some time, but they are selling at high prices and are principally selling to an elevated consumer. I think the broader athletic trend that hits the broad consumer base that we service, has accelerated. And that is, I think, principally due to some of the big players re-embracing a broader distribution strategy.

Piper Sandler & Co., Research Division Okay. Okay. No, that's fair enough. And just as a quick follow-up to Susan. Could you guys quantify the timing shift in international? You said it benefits 2Q and current 3Q, I believe.

Yes. We didn't actually quantify the shift. It's a part of the difference in the growth rate between international and international between Q2 and Q3, but we still would have been -- it still would have been positive. As Andrew said, we have these shifts based on our distributor business from quarter-to-quarter on a regular basis, both this year and last year.

And our next question will come from Jay Sole with UBS.

UBS Investment Bank, Research Division Andrew, can you just elaborate a little bit on what you're seeing in China? I think you talked about China was up over 30% versus last year. Talk about what's driving the strength and maybe the outlook that you have for China in the third quarter and beyond.

Yes. So I think what's driving our business in China is, I think, strong consumer engagement, right? So the overall China business and you look at it across many different brands is not strong from a consumer perspective. Consumer purchasing is certainly not -- it is not strong in the Chinese market. We are bucking that trend because we're driving, I think, brand heat for the Crocs Brand in China. That brand heat has been driven by a set of socially -- social-first digital marketing tactics using key Chinese celebrities. And we have a very large digital business in China, which has performed particularly well during mid-season festival, and we're very familiar with how to operate during these festival time periods and maximize the business. We have also extended significantly our mono-brand stores through our distribution partners in China with significant store openings both last year and this year. And I think our personalization aspect to our brand, the use of Jibbitz and the ability to personalize the shoes have also been particularly effective in engaging that consumer. And I think that's also effective in engaging sort of the broader Asian consumer. We see our personalization business strong in Southeast Asia, in Korea and in Japan as well.

And our next question will come from Rick Patel with Raymond James.

Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division Can you unpack the disparity in performance between HEYDUDE in direct-to-consumer versus wholesale? Direct-to-consumer has performed well now for 3 quarters in a row. So I guess what would you attribute the softer performance to at wholesale? And as we think about the wholesale channel, in particular, how long do you envision it will take to rightsize inventories so that sell-in and sell- through are in better alignment?

Yes. Great question, Rick. So look, direct-to-consumer has performed well, but there are new points of distribution there, right? So that's for -- I would say, for 2 principal reasons. We continue to open outlet stores for the HEYDUDE brand which we're very pleased with both the performance of those stores and also the role they play in terms of extending the HEYDUDE brand to new consumers, right? So the HEYDUDE brand, while the awareness has improved, it has improved to 35%. That is a relatively low number compared to the 60% plus awareness, HEYDUDE awareness for the Crocs Brand. So we've made progress on awareness, but it's still low. And so there's new points of distribution from an outlet store perspective embedded within that DTC growth. There is also a TikTok Shop. So you are aware that with both of our brands, we've been at the forefront of selling on TikTok Shop. Crocs is the #1 footwear brand on TikTok Shop. And I think HEYDUDE is at #3. So that is -- #2, sorry, I've been told. I know it's 2 or 3. And that is an outsized performance relative to the size of the HEYDUDE brand in the U.S. marketplace. So it's -- I would say it's new points of distribution is a big driver there.

And our next question will come from Aubrey Tianello with BNP Paribas.

BNP Paribas Exane, Research Division I wanted to ask on HEYDUDE. I think it's been a few quarters now since you changed the approach to marketing going more top of funnel. How are you feeling about the benefits you're seeing from that? And then how are you thinking about investment in the brand going forward? And then any update on new leadership for HEYDUDE?

Yes. So I'll do your last question first. So the current leadership for HEYDUDE is myself. So I'm really enjoying being able to dig into the brand and work with the team. While we have not yet appointed a brand President for HEYDUDE, I would say that we have appointed some key team members, and I'm really excited about the strength of our leadership team for the HEYDUDE Brand. I think they are doing a really great job and really grappling with some difficult situations, but doing it in a extremely proactive and productive way for the future. In terms of shifting the marketing, we have seen, I think, positive signs from that. We have been -- we continue to invest in marketing. We have been experimenting with some different messages and different approaches. We have seen an increase of HEYDUDE Brand awareness, as I mentioned in the prior question, to 35%, which we think is a very productive trend. I would say our latest campaign around HEYDUDE Country has been really well received by the industry as we talk to our wholesale partners. And I think we are seeing some clear evidence it's resonating with consumers. We have also spent a good amount of time as we've talked about in the past, speaking to her and bringing a younger female consumer to the brand. I think that has been productive. I would say that as we look forward, we are shifting more of our dollars and focus back to our core consumer and ensuring that we really resonate and capture and get the most productive purchasing from our core consumer. So I think we're doing all of the right things. We plan to continue to invest in the HEYDUDE Brand, and we see a trajectory that we think we will be pleased with and ultimately, shareholders will be pleased with over time.

BNP Paribas Exane, Research Division Thanks. And if I could just sneak in a follow-up on capital allocation. In the first half, you're ahead of where you were last year in terms of share repurchases. Does that continue into the back half? Or is that different now with the new revenue trajectory?

Yes. So let me try to address that. Consistent with our past practice, we really don't commit ahead of time to our capital allocation, how we're going to allocate our free cash flow. But as you can see from what we did in the first half of the year, we really believe our stock is an excellent value and consistent with our 1x to 1.5x target range, we're going to continue to allocate free cash flow to buy back stock and pay down debt as we see the opportunities.

And our next question will come from Brooke Roach with Goldman Sachs.

Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., Research Division Susan, I was hoping you could elaborate on the cost savings actions that you've taken, that you're planning on taking. What additional areas of opportunity have you identified outside of the SG&A savings in the $50 million that was previously discussed? And can you provide any color on the magnitude or timing of these savings for the second half and into '26?

Sure, Brooke. So when we talk about the $50 million of cost savings, these are things that we've already identified and taken action on for the year. We realized $15 million of that in Q2, and that was really balanced across SG&A and gross margin. And you can think about the remaining $35 million as being kind of evenly spread across Q3 and Q4 with a similar weighting on SG&A and gross margin. As we look to the further opportunities that Andrew mentioned, we're particularly focused on SG&A and steps that we can take to further simplify the business. We spoke a little bit about the marketing spend for HEYDUDE and being able to pull back on performance marketing, where we don't feel there's an adequate return. We're looking at our entire expense base with that lens to make sure that where we're investing the dollars are the ones where we're seeing the return for the long term.

And our next question will come from Ashley Owens with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division Maybe just to start on HEYDUDE, the further pressure on the wholesale channel, is the assumption that this will come as incremental margin headwinds on the brand through the balance of the year? And additionally, I know you mentioned pulling back on some of the inventory received domestically for the back half. So can you help us understand how this shapes the product cadence? You've been strong in newness in collaboration for several years now. But should we expect a pullback in some of these efforts in SKU count until conditions normalize? Or how are you thinking about balancing tighter buys with the need to maintain freshness?

Yes, yes. Good. Thank you, Ashley. Those things are clearly connected. So yes, from a HEYDUDE perspective, there will be incremental pressure on margins in the back half based on the actions we're taking, right? So the cleanup -- the continued cleanup of wholesale inventory is costly, right? And that is a significant investment that we are making. In terms of inventory receipts, we're planning our receipts cautiously in terms of where we've -- we're purchasing and/or bringing in units that we think satisfies what we anticipate will be the future demand. We're not planning -- I think one of the comments we've heard from wholesale partners is, look, we're going to plan our inventories down. And if things perform, we will chase. We're not planning significant receipts for chase because that would be inventory risk that we think is not merited at this point. In terms of SKU count and new product introductions, we think the wholesale returns and cleanup that we'll do will significantly refresh and reset the floors to current new inventory. And where we've done that, we've seen some nice improvements. So it's about making sure that we do have newness and we do have new inventory and new styles within -- at the point of sale for our consumers. And I would say we're seeing some really nice trajectory in HEYDUDE against Stretch Sox, which has been completely refreshed. So we started that refresh at the beginning of this year. As we look at wholesale and DTC inventory, that's been a significant effort, and we're very pleased with the performance of Stretch Sox going forward. The Paul franchise has been a franchise that's performed well. We recently added the Paul Pro, which is an elevated version of the Paul with additional cushioning and a better footbed. That's performing well. HEY2O performed well through the summer, which is our drain shoe for fishing or for those who are in and around the water. And I would say also our work business for HEYDUDE, particularly the Comp Toe, is also performing well. So the newness is performing and the reason we're prepared to make what is a significant investment to refresh is we want more newness in front of more people.

Our next question will come from Sam Poser with Williams Trading.

Williams Trading, LLC, Research Division So Andrew, in the prepared remarks, you talked about -- I just want to clarify, you talked about the weakness -- the uncertainty and the potential weakness of your broad-based consumer, which I assume you're speaking both to Crocs and to HEYDUDE?

Yes. Yes, I think -- what is different about us is the -- we sell at very democratic price points on both brands, right? And the democratic price point means that we appeal to a particularly broad consumer base. There are other brands that are absolutely performing much better in this marketplace because they are focused on exclusively on a high-end consumer. The low-end consumer is a consumer that we believe is most sensitive to increases, is most nervous and in some cases, is not leaving the house.

Williams Trading, LLC, Research Division Well, let me ask you this, though. You did also talk about how well you've been doing with sandals. Is this -- and you're sort of implying it and what you're working on with HEYDUDE, is this an issue basically of you, for the sake of argument, don't have the right product for the broad base of consumer. It isn't innovative enough. They just aren't going to it. And you talked about athletic getting better, so there may be more innovation there, and that may take some from you. So how much of this is sort of macro consumer versus we need to make better stuff for our customers, for our customers seeking on this.

Yes. I think we believe we are making very good stuff for our consumers, right? So as we look at where our brands are positioned, particularly on HEYDUDE, I just talked about it, the refreshing the product line and refreshing the product that we're putting in front of consumers is proving to be very positive, right? So I think the incremental improvements that we're making are strong. In terms of the -- sorry, in terms of the Crocs business, we also see a strong trajectory on new product introductions, right? A lot of the growth we saw in sandals in the very successful sandal season and the increase in market share in sandals was based on new styles that we think are meeting consumers' needs. And we're very confident that sandal business will grow nicely into next year as we kind of think about next season. So I think the macro is a very important factor for our business. We're definitely seeing that for our brands. And then I think we're making some tough decisions in the back half of this year, which I know given your kind of long-term understanding, I think you recognize are impactful to the business but also costly.

Williams Trading, LLC, Research Division And then I guess the question is what -- last thing, what percent of your business -- of your Crocs business was sandals this year? What was the penetration versus last year?

Yes. We typically break that out at the end of the year. I would say it grew in penetration, I can tell you that. I think kind of once a year, we're trying to give you visibility to that. But it was -- we said it was 13% last year in terms of penetration. It was up double digits in the first half of the year. So it will be -- it will grow.

And ladies and gentlemen, this will conclude our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Andrew Rees for any closing remarks.

Thank you, everybody, for joining us today and your continued interest and support of our company. Thank you.

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