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Cementos Pacasmayo S.A.A. (CPAC)

Q2 2017 Earnings Call· Fri, Jul 21, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Karen and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Cementos Pacasmayo Second Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers remarks there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Ms. Claudia Bustamante, Head of Investor Relations. Ms. Bustamante, you may begin.

Claudia Bustamante

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning everyone, and thank you for joining our call today where our CEO Mr. Humberto Nadal; and our CFO, Mr. Manuel Ferreyros, who'll discuss second quarter results and answer your questions. Please note that this call will include certain forward-looking statements. These statements relate to expectations, beliefs, projections, strategy and other matters that are not historical facts and are therefore as subject to risk and uncertainty that might affect future events or results. description subject to risk are accept forced in the company's regulatory filings. With that, I'd now like to turn the call over to Mr. Humberto Nadal.

Humberto Nadal

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

Thank you, Claudia. Good day everyone and thanks for joining us on today's conference call. The second quarter 2017 continues to be challenge us. With [indiscernible] finally coming to an end in April. These resonated to our second quarter results as can be expected not only impacting April sales volumes and operating expenses as [indiscernible] to receive with our products to alternate fruits to sorting and increase throughput and our business cost. However, while we had a difficult start to a second quarter I am indeed glad to let you know that at the beginning of May things have returned to normal and we already seeing improved performance which strengthen May and June sales growing at 2% and 6% respectively as well more stabilized expenses. It is also important to note that despite this quarter's challenges we achieved a sequential increase in sales as Manuel will discuss in more detail during financial review. Our Peru plant again made important contributions. They are mainly fully operational to us while [indiscernible] downpours. The U.S. clinical production in the second quarter was due to a planned preventive maintenance of pure skill. PPM scheduled at regular intervals identifying potential problems and substantially reduced relative maintenance. We are provisional clinker ahead of this PPM no important clinker was therefore needed. Now that [indiscernible] the opportunities that lie ahead. As I've described the situation has normalized and we are seeing our performance strengthening last month. It is important to note that these does not yet include growth related to rebuilding our country's infrastructure. The considerable physical damage caused by Coastal El Niño has left hundreds of thousands of Peruvians homeless and cost billions of dollars in damaged schools, hospitals, houses, bridges, roads, highways, channels. Economies in Peru have put a long-term price tag of more than…

Manuel Ferreyros

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

Thank you, Humberto. Good morning everyone. Shipments of cement concrete and blocks were 524.8 million tons, a 2.8 decrease compared to a second quarter of 2016. As Humberto mentioned, this decrease was mainly due to the sharp decline of shipments in April due to the Coastal El Nino. It is important to note that volumes in both May and June increased year-on-year in line with the end of the flooding under asserted recovery in demand in self-construction. Shipments increased 2.2% in May and 5.7% in June compared to the same month of last year. April's sharp demand increased combined with the need to review some shipments also related to El Nino had an impact on our entire cost structure as Humberto had mentioned, despite a normalization in demand throughout May and June. Revenues accordingly decreased 6% compared to the second quarter 2016 while gross profit and gross margin decreased 14% and 3.6 percentage points respectively. However, it is important to note that revenues increased year-on-year in both May and June with a growth of 0.6% and 3.9% respectively. In our cement segment, revenues increased 0.8% in the second quarter 2017, compared to a second quarter 2016. Despite the decreased sales volume in April due to the recovery of cement volumes in May and June. Cement, a segment gross margin decreased 1.2 percentage points compared to second quarter of 2016. This one again due to the Coastal El Niño effects in April, as well as a higher cost of goods sold as we had to reroute certain shipments due to road closure as discussed. In terms of operating expense, administrative expenses increased 4.5% compared to the second quarter 2016, associated mainly with the Coastal El Niño as well as some consultant services. On a sequential basis, administrative expenses all increased 1.7%.…

Humberto Nadal

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

Thank you, Manuel. It was a challenging few months here in northern Peru but it's clear that these are the times when our company strength and the progress we've made are most evident. We believe we have considerable opportunity ahead as we participate in rebuilding Peru's infrastructure and expect to capitalize on the manner currently anticipated towards the back half of this year, and considerable recovery in 2018. Before I turn the call to the operator I'd like to speak on part of my colleagues and employees. For your extraordinary dedication to Pacasmayo on our operations here are my sincere thanks. We commend you for the mainly good decisions you've made to all of our neighbors in these incredibly difficult times. Operator can we now please open the call to questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Andres Soto from Santander Bank. Please state your question.

Andres Soto

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

I have two questions. The first one related to the charges that you are reporting on the brine project. I would like to understand what is your outlook and what is exactly the amount of money that you paid at this quarter which was almost S/ 1 million. My second question is regarding your new cross currency swap. I will like to understand why is different from the previous one and what can we expect in terms of our financial expenses going forward? Thank you.

Humberto Nadal

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

Okay, Andres. I'll take the first part and then Manuel can take the second one. Regarding the brine basically all the expenses related to that project is keeping the concessions alive that's all we are doing right now, like you mentioned [indiscernible] that is all because that project is on standby we are already paying enough money to keep the concessions alive.

Andres Soto

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

And that's the amount of money that we should expect every quarter or this is going to be just one a year?

Humberto Nadal

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

It is more or less the same amount every quarter.

Andres Soto

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

Perfect. Thank you.

Manuel Ferreyros

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

Well the second question Andres, no we haven’t done any extraordinary changes with the swap, its a same one that we have in the beginning.

Andres Soto

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

So financial expenses will remain at the same level that you currently have?

Manuel Ferreyros

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

That's right. Yes, maybe you see some changes because we pay interest of the debt and the cost of hedge in dollars. So, this is some changes because of the exchange rates but it's only of what we paid every semester.

Andres Soto

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

Okay, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Mauricio Serna from UBS Financial. Please state your question.

Mauricio Serna

Analyst · Mauricio Serna from UBS Financial. Please state your question

I have a couple. First, you just talked about the way the volumes and the sales evolved positively in May and June. And I wanted to ask what in terms about pricing because it seems that at least price and pricing mix perspective, it's been negative in the last couple of months and probably also April. So, I just wanted to get a little bit more detail on that. Also, when you mentioned EBITDA margins for May and June without the disruptive effect of the El Niño storm, I'd just like to know if those were actually better margins year-over-year? Or how did those compare to the last months in 2016? And finally, on the severance payments that you mentioned and the report, is that something that should be recurring in the second half of the year? I think you also mentioned the recurring increase in the administrative expenses. I don’t know if that’s excluding these charges. Thanks for taking the questions.

Humberto Nadal

Analyst · Mauricio Serna from UBS Financial. Please state your question

Yes, the prices, we've just raised prices around 20 to 25 days ago. But there is a big difference that you see between dispatches and revenues are because sales of concrete has gone down in approximately 40%. That's the major impact and the big difference between dispatches and revenues. Second, what we expect for the whole year in EBITDA margin is to close a whole year in 31%.

Manuel Ferreyros

Analyst · Mauricio Serna from UBS Financial. Please state your question

And if I may add to Humberto, to my last comment on the price, like he said, the pricing term was a little over 3.5%, which we think it's a good amount to increase. As we have reflected yet, because it was done over the last two weeks. But I mean this should be reflective on the next six months.

Operator

Operator

Mauricio, does that complete your question?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes, the first two. But just I want to know of the severance payments, should we be expecting additional ones for the second half of the year? And I think you mentioned like you mentioned a recurring amount of over like the -- without the effect of the expenses in this quarter?

Humberto Nadal

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

Regarding severance payment, I mean you should expect some in the second part of this year and at a lower rhythm that they have been doing before. I mean we're always looking for operational efficiency and at sometimes severance payments are the cost for that, and in the long run it all works towards our operational efficiency.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And your 31% EBITDA margin expectation includes the severance payments?

Humberto Nadal

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. And our next question comes from [indiscernible] from MetLife. Please state your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hello, good morning and thank you for taking my questions. Just one, it's regarding what did you expect for net leverage by year end?

Humberto Nadal

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

Net leverage by year end should be very similar as to what we have today to around between 2.3, 2.4.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Froilan Mendez from JPMorgan. Please state your question.

Froilan Mendez

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please state your question

Hi, thank you very much for taking my questions. After that increases, you mentioned in the last two weeks, would prices in today would be equal to prices in April or a bit lower. Want to understand what's the price level after a big increase?

Humberto Nadal

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please state your question

I mean the increase is to the actual current prices or prices are right now higher than they were in April.

Froilan Mendez

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please state your question

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from I don't know how to pronounce your first name, I'm so sorry. It is Joswil Vega from Integra. Please state your question.

Joswil Vega

Analyst

Yes, don’t worry about it. Thank you, good morning to everyone. And thank you for taking my questions. I actually have two questions. The first one, if you have, identified the source of the [indiscernible] in May and June. And we would expect the same level for the rest of the year, I mean around 200,000 tons per month? And second would be that, you mentioned that you have increased your SG&A expenses, because you have expense more in advertisement to take your market share that is because your experience in more competition or not? Thank you.

Humberto Nadal

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

I think the first part of your question I mean I think I mentioned in my opening words, I think self-construction has proven very resilient in May and June and I think that’s what we are going to be seeing for the remaining parts for the year with positive numbers. And I think the big expectation is going to come through our construction side. If that really kicks in towards the last three four months of this year, we could be facing an interesting second semester. And based on your -- in terms of SG&A, I think I have been repeating myself every call, every chance I get I mean, we are the very dominant position in north and we will want that to remain for time being. But [indiscernible] 60 years the end of this year, so I mean we are in the middle of launching -- we have started already change our product and re-launching our brand. And it's all part of really always doing a preventive move on the market not because we see necessarily good competition, but because we are unchallenged.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from [indiscernible]. Please state your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Can you talk a little bit about the level of price increase you said you implemented 75 days ago?

Humberto Nadal

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

The net price increase that Manuel was mentioning was around 2.5%.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Francisco Suarez from Scotia Bank. Please state your question.

Francisco Suarez

Analyst · Scotia Bank. Please state your question

Just reaching to the hike in cement prices that you just did, what are the chances to improve the sales mix with value added product? I mean perhaps placing more in the market the ancillary [ph] brands and so forth rather than the typical general use for cement. And also, a follow up question on your expenses related with advertising and everything, does that if only for advertising general or are you actually increasing the margins that distributors may actually get for selling your product in your locations? Thank you.

Humberto Nadal

Analyst · Scotia Bank. Please state your question

On the first time, I mean as we have discussed with you in privately, we're always all about high margin cement. I mean I said it before we are in an important for the company because we are turning 60 years and we are in the middle of some surprises that are going to come in the second part of this year. Regarding high value cement I mean we are always trying to push the most cement that both the general public wants that bring more margin to us, I mean [indiscernible] like I said in the second part of this year we would see some surprises. Regarding your second part of the question, the increases have to do with basically advertising. I mean the margins we give to our distributors has remained unchanged.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Daniel Sasson from Itau. Please state your question.

Daniel Sasson

Analyst · Itau. Please state your question

My first question is related to your one growth expectation, I know you have a risk of first half of 2017 but you seem to be more optimistic with the S/ 20 billion that are going to be put to use for the reconstruction works and if you could detail what do you expect for volume growth in the second half of these years, we should assume a 5% growth in the second half as we have seen already in June otherwise that would be key optimistic and what are your views for 2018? And in the same line can you give us more color on the [indiscernible] and you see foremost what do you expect in terms of cement demand maybe already in 2017, you have that two projects you mentioned that could already start in 2017? And finally, the S/ 20 billion for the reconstruction that were transferred to the reconstruction fund, how long do you think it will take for this money to be actually deployed? Should we expect it in three or four years or that seems optimistic at this point? Thanks a lot.

Humberto Nadal

Analyst · Itau. Please state your question

Regarding the first part I mean what will happen in the second semester, I mean like we measure March and April we took a severe hit in downward sales so I think and we said in the previous call I think the second semester will be a pretty good one and we should compensate on dramatic sales. So, if we were to make up for our projection right now, we come the year at a despite as the same as similar year we will consider that a pretty good number considering the Coastal El Nino. Turning to 2018 that's a different story because then you would have that, so then yes, I mean we would be looking at probably 4% to 5% growth and these are our construction company and that could really hit the double-digits number. I mean when it took about S/ 20 billion redeployed over the next two years which is the plan of [Indiscernible] and that's why those are your question, I mean I could, I'll be very confident that we would see '18, '19 and '20 as double-digits if the money is deployed.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes Mr. Vega from Integra. Please state your question.

Joswil Vega

Analyst

You mentioned that you have some probably in transportation because of the Coastal El Nino, but I will like to know if the transportation expenses are included in selling expenses or in cost of goods sold. My question is because I can see that the COGS for both quarter and selling expenses for over quarter are almost the same I mean the only difference has been the rain, so I would like to know how you consider these transportation expenses?

Humberto Nadal

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

Yes, the cost of transportation is included in the cost of goods.

Operator

Operator

Excellent. Thank you. And I'll now turn it back over to Humberto for some closing remarks.

Humberto Nadal

Analyst · Santander Bank. Please state your question

Thank you again for joining us. We're closing a very challenging quarter and I think as I said before, my repeated thanks to all of Pacasmayo team. I think we've done a tremendous efforts and tremendous job in a very difficult environment. And I think May and June have resulted positive. Thanks to all the efforts of our team. And also, I like to thank you because like every single member of our company were there to help our neighbors in a very difficult situation in last months. Thanks everybody for joining the call today. And if you have any questions, as always Claudia, Manuel and myself are always available. Thank you very much for your time.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. We thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time. And have a great weekend.