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Copa Holdings, S.A. (CPA)

Q2 2018 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 10, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Copa Holdings Second Quarter Earnings Call. During the presentation all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards we'll conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being webcast and recorded on August 9, 2018. Now I'll turn the conference call over to Raul Pascual, Director of Investor Relations. Sir, you may begin.

Raul Pascual

Analyst · Michael Linenberg with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open

Thank you very much, Sarah, and welcome everyone to our second quarter earnings call. Joining us today are Pedro Heilbron, CEO of Copa Holdings; and Jose Montero, our CFO. First, Pedro will start with our first quarter highlights, followed by Jose, who will discuss our financial results. Immediately after, we'll open up the call for questions from analysts. Copa Holdings financial reports have been prepared in accordance with International Financial Reporting Standards. In today's call, we will discuss non-IFRS financial measures. A reconciliation of the non-IFRS to IFRS financial measures can be found in our earnings release, which have been posted on the company's website, copa.com. In addition, our discussion will contain certain forward-looking statements not limited to historical facts that reflect the company's current beliefs, expectations and intentions regarding future events and results. These forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially and are based on assumptions that are subject to change. Many of these risks and uncertainties are discussed in our annual report filed with the SEC. Now I'd like to turn the call over to our CEO, Mr. Pedro Heilbron.

Pedro Heilbron

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is now open

Thank you, Raul. Good morning to all and thank you for participating in our second quarter earnings call. First of all, I want to congratulate all of our coworkers for their efforts during the quarter. Their ongoing dedication and commitment keeps us at the forefront of Latin American aviation. The second quarter presented us with several challenges, especially in the commercial front. We faced the sudden cancellation of close to 900 flights to Venezuela, of which about half were eventually reinstated, and weakening currency in the region, mainly in Brazil and Argentina. In addition, a year-over-year increase of 33% in our effective fuel price put significant pressure on unit costs and resulted in a year-over-year reduction in margins. We still firmly believe that higher oil prices should translate into stronger Latin American economy, and eventually higher yield to offset the additional fuel extent. But this effect is not immediate and has been happened yet. Among the main highlights for the quarter, passenger traffic grew up solid 13% year-over-year outpacing our capacity growth of 11.2%. This resulted in a strong 83.5% load factor, 1.3% percentage points higher year-over-year. Yields came in at $11.4 or 2.2% lower than in the second quarter of 2017. Unit revenues or RASM, decreased 0.6% year-over-year to $9.8. On the cost side CASM came in at $0.09, 4.8% higher year-over-year due to higher fuel expenses. However, a fuel unit cost came in at $0.06 or 5.1% lower year-over-year due to the timing of certain events and cost reduction efforts. Our operating margin came in at 9%, 4.7 percentage points lower than the second quarter of 2017. On the operational front, Copa earnings delivered an on-time performance of 89.9% and a completion factor of 99.8%, again among the best in the world. Turning now to the rest of…

Jose Montero

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is now open

Thank you, Pedro, good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us. Let me begin by joining Pedro, in congratulating our entire team for all their achievements through what was a challenging quarter. During the second quarter, we grew capacity by 11.2% year-over-year, while revenue passenger miles increased 13% year-over-year, which resulted in a consolidated load factor of 83%, a 1.3 percentage point increase versus Q2 2017. However, passenger yields came in 2.2% below last year. This year-over-year decline was mostly driven by the weakness in the Brazilian real and Argentine peso as well as the cancellation of our flights to Venezuela during most of the quarter. During Q2 2017, our RASM was $9.9, and in Q2 2018, it came in at $9.8. Consolidate revenues increased 10.5% year-over-year to over $634 million. On the expense side, our second quarter operating expenses increased 16.6% year-over-year on the 11.2% capacity growth, which resulted in our cost per available seat mile, increasing 4.8% to $0.09, specifically as a function of higher jet fuel prices. For the quarter, our effective oil and fuel price averaged $2.35 per gallon, an increase of almost 33% versus the $1.07 per gallon that we averaged in Q2 2017. Our total fuel expense for the quarter was $61.6 million, above Q2 2017, of which $47.4 million are related to a fuel price increase. However, we were able to offset some of these increase with our continued saving initiatives, specifically our cost per available seat mile, excluding fuel, ex-fuel CASM, came in at 5.1% low year-over-year, coming down from $6.3 in Q2 2017 to $0.06 in Q2 2018. Consolidated operating earnings for the quarter came in 27% lower at $57.1 million, resulting in operating margin of 9%, 4.7 percentage points lower than the 13.7% generated in Q2 2017. Looking at non-operating…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of the Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is now open

This is actually Ray on for Duane. Earlier you mentioned lower unit revenues, especially in 3Q. Should we expect a larger year-over-year decline than 2Q is 0.6% or should we expect some kind of modest sequential year-over-year improvement?

Pedro Heilbron

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is now open

I think for the third quarter what we’re seeing is a decline, I think I want to say in the low-single-digits for the third quarter, mostly based yields. And so it’s basically -- they’re actually, yes, it’s been very, very low-single-digit decline for the third quarter. And then for the fourth quarter, we are seeing, again, it’s too early to tell, but it’s more flattish on a year-over-year basis.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is now open

And how much of the lower RASM guide you attribute to competitor capacity and what levels do you see from 3Q to 2Q? And if you have it, can you break that up between Argentina and Brazil?

Pedro Heilbron

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is now open

I think that the majority of the RASM trend that we’re seeing is related to the weakness in Argentina and Brazil. So that’s basically the big driver that we’re seeing. From the standpoint of competitive moves, there’re some movements in certain parts of the network, there are some movements into the Caribbean and between kind of the Northern parts of South America to Central America. But that’s less significant. I think that actual weakness in the currencies in Brazil and Argentina, which is the main driver for the RASM guide that we have.

Jose Montero

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is now open

What I should add Pedro here is that seats from our earnings out of Argentina and Brazil for the first half of the year, we're in the mid to high-teens, and in the second half the year, we see them in the mid-single digits. So the capacity growth year-over-year will be much lower in the second half of the year than what we've experienced so far.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Linenberg with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Michael Linenberg with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open

Hey guys, this is Chris speaking for Mike. Just wanted to ask a question about the change in the capacity growth forecast from 9% to 8% this year, where are you seeing some of those reductions in new capacity? Is that into Brazil and Argentina? I know you mentioned you are still opening new routes and markets into those areas. So just wanted to get an understanding of where some of those shifts are happening.

Pedro Heilbron

Analyst · Michael Linenberg with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open

Right, so -- this is Pedro Heilbron. It's going to be mostly low season reductions, so starting in September all the way through November -- end of November, low season reductions; number one, and we are adjusting capacity a little bit more aggressively, mostly in Brazil, reducing frequencies in multiple frequency destinations, more than anything.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Michael Linenberg with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open

And then how are you seeing some of the -- with respect to the revenue environment, what is the transitioning into Brazil and Argentina this quarter with respect to some of the recovery and demand? If you're seeing that, is more leisure and [indiscernible] -driven? Is that business driven? How should we think about that?

Raul Pascual

Analyst · Michael Linenberg with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open

I'd say it's a little bit of both from the standpoint of the third quarter. What we're seeing so far is -- there is a year-over-year drop in I want to say in the low-teens in both markets. Now having said that, in the case of Brazil, I think, the drop in RASM is mostly driven by the macro-environment. And even though there is a significant drop in the currency in Argentina, there is also, I think a bigger set of seats available in Argentina as well. So that's kind of how we're seeing it into the third quarter. It's in the low-teens for both markets.

Pedro Heilbron

Analyst · Michael Linenberg with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open

Right. And I should add to that, in the case of Argentina, we've grown our own capacity in ASMs over 40% this year. So the way we're partly at fault, but that coincided with the currency devaluation, we're not expecting that, but long-term those are important strategic additions, and the market is still a healthy market. So we're just kind of a perfect storm that we grew a lot this year. It had been like eight years since we were able to get additional route right. It took us a long time. So we got them now. We grew a lot of our capacity and then the currency devaluation here, but medium to long-term those are all, I think great additions and we are not regretting anything. In the case of Brazil, we've grown a much less this year. We added most of the Brazilian capacity we had caught before, we added that last year. But other airlines have added much more capacity this year. So that coincide was a weakening currency, which had, however stabilized and even strengthened a little bit. So even though the third quarter in terms of unit revenues in Brazil, at least for us, doesn’t look great. We’re expecting it to get much better for the fourth quarter.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research. Your line is now open.

Hunter Keay

Analyst · Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research. Your line is now open

How much of the better CASM-ex guidance is FX-driven versus some of those cost reduction initiatives that you've referenced?

Jose Montero

Analyst · Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research. Your line is now open

Yes, Hunter, this is Jose here. I think that the majority of CASM guidance is -- or the CASM improvement and the performance that we had in the quarter was savings, and there is some timing involved as well. I’d say that most of our costs are actually in U.S. dollars, the vast majority of our costs are in U.S. dollars. So it is really both. In the case of the second quarter, there is sometime hinder, but in terms of full year there is a lot of savings initiatives that we’re being doing in terms of contract renegotiations, distribution initiatives, maintenance et cetera. So there’s quite a bit in there that we've been focusing on over the last couple of years.

Pedro Heilbron

Analyst · Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research. Your line is now open

Hunter, I’ll say it in other words, there's no FX advantage, no FX benefit in those numbers.

Hunter Keay

Analyst · Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research. Your line is now open

So the 6.3 to 6.2, that’s core, that’s pure, that’s repeatable, there is no FX around those. Okay, good. And then as I think about some of the commentary you guys have made before on 2019 being high single digits or maybe even low double-digits, I know its early, but as you think about the capacity curve, you just made in the back half, is it fair to assume that low double-digits is probably off the table for 2019 and we should think about maybe mid to high single digit growth rate?

Jose Montero

Analyst · Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research. Your line is now open

Yes.

Pedro Heilbron

Analyst · Hunter Keay with Wolfe Research. Your line is now open

That’s a fair assessment.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Helane Becker with Cowen. Your line is now open.

Connor Cunningham

Analyst · Helane Becker with Cowen. Your line is now open

It's actually Connor Cunningham in for Helane. Just a little bit more on the expected improvement in 4Q from 3Q. Is your assumption that the yield environment kind of flattens out after the Brazilian election? Or is it just strictly the capacity just to say you’re making that gives you confidence that you're going to see sequential improvement?

Jose Montero

Analyst · Helane Becker with Cowen. Your line is now open

Yes, Connor. There are a couple of items there, of course, we are tempering down the ASMs that we’re putting out into the market, and especially that’s going to be the case in the fourth quarter. But also what we are seeing is that, there as we -- for now we are not seeing any major expectations for major changes in currencies. I think that given that we are seeing that the yield environment should flatten out as well for the fourth quarter. So it’s a little bit of both which is involved in there.

Connor Cunningham

Analyst · Helane Becker with Cowen. Your line is now open

Okay. And then just a little bit on the rest of the network, so just, excluding Brazil and Argentina. Is it fair to assume that the rest of the market is actually -- rest of -- now work is actually performing quite well? And there is nothing bleeding from Argentina and Brazil into those markets at all at this point?

Pedro Heilbron

Analyst · Helane Becker with Cowen. Your line is now open

No, our network is vast. I meant it's going to be, by the end of the year, 80 destinations in 32 countries. So we think about the rest. They are all net - it's all net-net positive. And some might be maybe slightly weaker than others, but the majority is doing very well.

Connor Cunningham

Analyst · Helane Becker with Cowen. Your line is now open

Okay. And then just a follow-up on the 2019 capacity comment. What's your expectation around where you're going to end in terms of fleet count? And has that changed given the items in Brazil and Argentina, like are you expecting to return more aircraft than you did before or maybe just any comments there that would be great. Thanks again.

Jose Montero

Analyst · Helane Becker with Cowen. Your line is now open

Yes, I think that our planned costs for, again, first of all, I have to say that we have a very flexible fleet plan. So we still have some embedded flexibility into a 2019 capacity figure, but for now, our planned costs for a growth over on four planes for next year. We have flexibility, we have lease expirations next year so on.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Savanthi Syth with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Savanthi Syth

Analyst · Savanthi Syth with Raymond James. Your line is now open

I just wanted to follow-up a couple of questions and make sure I understand. So Brazil and Argentina kind of both RASAM down kind of low teens in the third quarter, is that what you were saying?

Jose Montero

Analyst · Savanthi Syth with Raymond James. Your line is now open

Yes.

Savanthi Syth

Analyst · Savanthi Syth with Raymond James. Your line is now open

So if I look at that and I think there, about 25% of your market, does that mean the rest of your network has been stable? Is the -- if you're kind of expecting low single-digit type declines for the third quarter than the rest of the markets are maybe flat to slightly up, is that fair?

Jose Montero

Analyst · Savanthi Syth with Raymond James. Your line is now open

That is fair assessment Savanthi.

Savanthi Syth

Analyst · Savanthi Syth with Raymond James. Your line is now open

Okay, great. And then just, on the kind of Venezuela items, was that all in the $15 million impact? Is that all revenue in 2Q that we can expect to get reverse next year?

Jose Montero

Analyst · Savanthi Syth with Raymond James. Your line is now open

Yes. There's actually revenue figure was a little higher. There's also some cost savings associated with non-operating to flights. But so, yes, the $50 million figure is a P&L figure more -- may impact earnings.

Savanthi Syth

Analyst · Savanthi Syth with Raymond James. Your line is now open

And two, maybe last question, just one. I wonder if you can elaborate on some of the ancillary revenue initiatives that you've mentioned briefly to kind of drive higher ancillary and then also just a quick update on Wingo?

Pedro Heilbron

Analyst · Savanthi Syth with Raymond James. Your line is now open

Okay. So, yes, we've implemented a number of ancillary initiatives without having or without waiting for the right technology. The enhancements for CSS system are one year delayed. We started -- we're going to have them by the end of 2017, and we're going to now have them by the end of this year, by October of this year, and now we're in the final stretch. So we're very confident that all the enhancements to our CCS are going to in place by October this year. But that's later, and we couldn't wait so long. So we have implemented ancillary or initiatives such as selling a premium fees such as second bag charges in certain markets and other initiatives. Those would run again without all these technology enhancements. We feel that by next year with our new systems or enhanced systems, we're going to be able to perform much better, maybe even, increased by 50% or more in what we're doing. In previous calls and investor days, we had said that by the end of 2018, adding 2017 and 2018 together, we would be at $30 million in ancillary revenues, and I would say we’re going to be there by the end of this year. And there is that potential to increase that number again by 50% or more percent in the run rate next year with the technology enhancements. In terms of Wingo, to answer your Wingo question, we’re very happy with Wingo. Wingo’s first objective was to turn a money losing network out of Columbia into a much better network. And what I should say that even though we do not split Wingo numbers, we think that we’re right on track to deliver either breakeven or actually maybe positive numbers or positive contribution for Wingo in 2018.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research. Your line is now open.

Daniel McKenzie

Analyst · Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research. Your line is now open

Few questions here. First one is really housekeeping. I’m just wondering to what extent the truckers strike in Brazil or the World Cup impacted revenue in the second quarter?

Pedro Heilbron

Analyst · Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research. Your line is now open

So well, the World Cup is probably going to affect mostly third quarter. And we’re pretty sure that there was an impact, but was like impossible to make sure. So we will never really know what where the impact. But there will be an impact in the third quarter due to all those people that spend their money in Russia and not in the Caribbean or the U.S., including many Panamanian, I should say. So but it’s very difficult to measure. And in terms of the truckers' strike, it did lead to a number of cancellations, but obviously the impact was much less than to our carrier line domestically in Brazil. So I will not say that it was significant.

Daniel McKenzie

Analyst · Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research. Your line is now open

I see. Okay. And just -- not to kick a dead horse here, but a couple of -- probably just following up on a couple of the prior questions, just looking at Brazil and Argentina. I’m just wondering if you give more clarity around what the operating margins story would look like for this year. So the rest of the network trending at 16% to 18% margins in just these two countries that bring us down or just -- or maybe if you could just provide a little bit more perspective along those lines? Yes, maybe how does the weakness breakout between business and leisure travel for example? And so just kind of talk about the more -- the impact more to the core business and kind of where you’re seeing that weakness specifically?

Pedro Heilbron

Analyst · Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research. Your line is now open

Right, we never break down operating revenues by region or country. But the yield weakness and yield softness is year-over-year, of course, comparing year-over-year, it’s in Brazil and Argentina. That doesn’t mean that the operating margins in those places are driving the whole number much lower. This is all year-over-year comparisons. So the weakness year-over-year in yield is in those two markets. In the other markets were either flat or up in terms of unit revenue when we add them all together. So I would say that there are no other markets or regions that are a worry to us right now. And obviously the big issue is that we’re not being able to cover for the increased fuel price. Thefuel was at the same where it was 12 months ago. We would be doing extremely well in terms of operating margin. So the disconnect if we're not being able right not to price in the fuel increase. Only in the second quarter, we paid over $47 million only in price in additional fuel price over a year ago.

Daniel McKanzie

Analyst · Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research. Your line is now open

And then I guess if you could maybe just comment a little bit about the breakup between business and leisure travel? Is that the fall off for leisure travel for Brazil and Argentina? Or is it -- have you seen a real downtick in the corporate business? And I guess the reason I'm kind of getting at that is it seems like the corporate business seems intact from what we're hearing from other carriers this morning, but just wondering maybe you can provide a little bit more granularity around that side of the business?

Jose Montero

Analyst · Dan McKenzie with Buckingham Research. Your line is now open

We haven't really seen a significant change in the makeup. As the matter of fact the traffic is still there as you see from our low traffic figures. So it's mostly a huge issue based on the currency.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Joseph DeNardi with Stifel. Your line is open.

Joseph DeNardi

Analyst · Joseph DeNardi with Stifel. Your line is open

I'm going to try and ask the second half rather than question like the 37 in a different way. If you get the flat RASM in the back half of the year, that would represent a pretty big divergence between year-over-year RASM and FX, which you guys haven't really seen over the past two years. So is there anything that we should keep in mind that would support that type of divergence or do you really need to see an improvement in FX to get back to positive in fourth quarter.

Pedro Heilbron

Analyst · Joseph DeNardi with Stifel. Your line is open

Right. So we have seen a slight improvement lately in FX. And we're expecting FX to be stable for the rest of the year. I would say that kind of embedded in our forecast is that FX is going to be stable for the rest of the year. And what we need to keep in mind is that usually when fuel prices were so high, currencies in Latin America tends to strengthen. That hasn't happen this year. But we could expect currencies to be more stable than they were in the last two months.

Joseph DeNardi

Analyst · Joseph DeNardi with Stifel. Your line is open

And then a couple of years ago at the Investor Day, you guys did down there, you quantified what the EBIT contribution you're expecting or the margin contribution you're expecting from your loyalty program. You just talked about kind of ancillary contribution that you're seeing. What is the loyalty program contributing to EBIT this year? And then how does that start to ramp up a little bit more next year? Thank you.

Pedro Heilbron

Analyst · Joseph DeNardi with Stifel. Your line is open

Okay. So now that you've mentioned the Investor Day conference few years ago. So we're going to have our next one on September 20 in New York City. And I'm sure there is going to be a lot of interesting information. We will have other top BPs there especially commercial, sharing all of this. But I'll let Jose to add.

Jose Montero

Analyst · Joseph DeNardi with Stifel. Your line is open

In terms of, Joe, in terms of the loyalty question, the contribution that we're seeing right now is at around one percentage point to EBIT, from the loyalty program. And so yes, there is some lead as that point continued to growing for that to accrete over the next couple of years.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our last question comes from the line Marcos Barreto with Citi. Your line is now open.

Marcos Barreto

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

First of all, do you see any potential anti-trust push back from the alliance that you've mentioned earlier, specifically with the South American counterparty?

Pedro Heilbron

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

Yes, we’ll - you know, as we said in the opening remarks, we’re not going to share more information on that. There are still -- the agreement has not been finalize yet. Once it's finalized we will have to go through all the legal hurdles that an agreement like this has to go through

Jose Montero

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

In the different countries.

Pedro Heilbron

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

In the different countries. So I would rather not to speculate right now.

Marcos Barreto

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

Second, has the guidance adjustments led to - led you to rethink your strategy on synthetic fuel hedging.

Jose Montero

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

No, actually, I think on the long-term, I think that our current strategy, which is not hedging is the right strategy. So we’re going to - we have no plans to tell you.

Marcos Barreto

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

And last, looking at the strong operational cash flow, was there some strategic adjustments in your working capital strategy?

Jose Montero

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open

No real from the working capital strategy, no real strategic change. But again from the overall perspective of cash flow and our cash position, the Board has always been returning value to the shareholders via the dividend or buyback program. So that's something that’s really is something that the company has been doing actively over the last many years.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And that concludes the question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call back to Pedro Heilbron for any further remarks.

Pedro Heilbron

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is now open

Okay, thank you all. This concludes our earnings call. I’d like to take this opportunity, as I mentioned a minute ago, to announce that we’ll have our 2018 Investor Day on September 20 in New York City. And you should be getting an invitation and other details in the next couple of weeks. So thank you for being with us in this call. And as always, thank you for your continuous support. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating. That concludes the presentation. You may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day.