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Columbia Sportswear Company (COLM)

Q2 2008 Earnings Call· Thu, Jul 24, 2008

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Jumaria and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Columbia Sportswear Second Quarter '08 Financial Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. I'd now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Ron Parham, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Ron Parham - Director of Investor Relations

Analyst

All right. Thank you, operator. Good afternoon and thanks for joining us on today's call. With me today are Columbia's Chairman, Gert Boyle, Columbia's President and CEO, Tim Boyle, Chief Operating Officer and CFO, Bryan Timm and General Counsel, Peter Bragdon. We will start today's call with prepared remarks, reviewing the results of the second quarter and provide color around our full year and third quarter revenue and earnings guidance, that was also included in today's earnings announcement. Then we will open it up to your questions. Before we begin, Gert has an important remainder.

Gertrude Boyle - Chairman of the Board

Analyst

I'd like to remind everyone that this conference call will contain forward-looking statements regarding Columbia's business opportunities and anticipated results of operations. Please bear in mind that forward-looking information is subject to many risks and uncertainties and actual results may differ materially from what is projected. Many of these risks and uncertainties are described in Columbia's quarterly report on Form 10-K for the year ending December 31, 2007, and subsequent filing the SEC. Forward-looking statement in this conference call are based on our current expectations and beliefs and we do not undertake any duty to update any of the forward-looking statements after the date of this conference call to conform the forward-looking statements to actual results or the change in our expectations.

Ron Parham - Director of Investor Relations

Analyst

All right, thanks Gert. Tim, I'll hand it off to you.

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Thanks Ron. Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us this afternoon. By now I'm sure you've had a chance to review the earnings release and financial schedules that we issued earlier this afternoon covering the results of our second quarter and our revised guidance for the remainder of 2008. We are going to focus most of my comment on our strategic initiatives and let Bryan review the financial highlights. But I do want to take a moment to lay the context for our discussion. My mother has always told me at dinnertime to eat the foods on my plate that I didn't like first, so I could finish with a good taste in my mouth from the foods I did like. It was good advice and I think it is great advice now approaching today's conference call. The weak US and European retail environments have been well documented and we were clearly affected by those headwinds. Second quarter net sales declined $5.5 million or 3% compared with last year's second quarter. On a regional basis, this decline is isolated to the US where net sales decrease $21.5 million or 18% to $95.6 million. Looking at the top line on a global basis, by category the decline from last year's second quarter was isolated in sportswear, which was down $8.9 million or 7%. From a brand perspective, the second quarter net sales decline can be primarily isolated to the Columbia brand, which was down $6 million or 3%. Thus the net sales decline is almost entirely due to lower sales of Columbia brand in the US and that decline can be attributed to the unexpectedly high volume of cancellations we received on our spring order book during the quarter. Nearly all of our largest retail partners reported negative sales comps…

Bryan L. Timm - Chief Financial Officer

Analyst

Thanks, Tim, and good afternoon everyone. Tim covered the highlights on our top line and key balance sheets items. So I'll take up on gross margins and quickly work down the rest of the income statement and cash flow. Second quarter 2008 gross margin decreased 120 basis points compared to last year's second quarter to 40.2%, primarily due to increased discount and close out product sales and higher production costs. These unfavorable factors were partially offset by the favorable gross margin effect of our US retail expansion, some increased ASPs internationally and improved foreign currency hedge rates. SG&A expenses increased $12.1 million over last year's second quarter to $91.3 million or 42.8% of sales. This SG&A increase was in line with our previously communicated plans to increase our marketing investments to support our brand and to fund the start up costs of our new retail stores. The 660 basis point increase compared to last year's second quarter was amplified by the top line short fall in our smallest volume quarter. Operating loss for the second quarter was $4.3 million versus operating income of $12.4 million in last year's second quarter. We reported a net loss of $1.8 million or $0.05 per diluted share in the second quarter of 2008, compared with net income of $10 million or $.27 per diluted share in the second quarter of 2007. Tim already touched on our improved cash and inventory positions. Our cash flow was also benefited from a 6% reduction in consolidated accounts receivable at June 30 to a $172.6 million. Capital expenditures were $14.2 million, during the second quarter of 2008, primarily reflecting our US retail expansion. During the second quarter, we repurchased approximately 107,000 shares in aggregate price of $4.4 million. Through June 30, 2008, we've repurchased a total of 7.7…

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Thanks Bryan. Before we turn the call over to your questions, I like to take a couple of minutes to emphasize the point that Bryan just finished on. The second quarter was clearly disappointing and our view of the US market is that it'll likely remain difficult for the rest of this year at least. We feel confident about the investments we are making in new long-term growth platforms and the financial flexibility provided by our fortressed balance sheet to make these investments during an otherwise difficult economic cycle. We talked a lot about increased marketing and retail expansion as the two distinct elements of our strategy, but just focusing on these two elements over simplifies the organizational and operational opportunities we have identified and have began to pursue over the last 18 to 24 months. Ultimately, every element of our strategic plan is intended to elevate and differentiate Columbia's brands in the minds of consumers around the world and to re-energize demand for our brands. In the consumer marketplace, strong brands with innovative products and emotional connections with consumers have proven to command higher price points and to attracted superior retailer partners. We started our transformation with a renewed emphasis on product innovation that solves real customers'... consumers' needs and enhances their experience in the outdoors. These innovation serve as the fuel for our expanded demand creation efforts that will seek to communicate with consumers on a more inspirational and aspirational level in order to build stronger, emotional connections. Our first line retail stores in key markets will provide stages on which we can showcase the breadth of these innovative products using in-store merchandising tools that convey the core brand and performance messages at the point of sale. For our retail partners, we will have more innovative products to…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Your first question will come from the line of Bob Drbul with Lehman Brothers.

Robert Drbul - Lehman Brothers

Analyst

Hi. Good afternoon.

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Hi, Bob.

Robert Drbul - Lehman Brothers

Analyst

Tim, just a couple of question on the cancellations in the inventory, can you just discuss your ability to react to these cancellations, like how much is this inventory has or will quickly be sort of remarketed to different accounts, your plans to just sort of dispose of the cancellations? And I guess the bigger question then I have is what sort of adjustments have you made now on when you looked at where your backlog was at the end of March versus where are you today, how are you planning the Fall business from the cancellation risk perspective that you now really see out there?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Great. On the first question, Bob, we've remarketed virtually all the cancelled merchandise from the second quarter cancellations. So, they haven't shown up in... because we haven’t shipped them yet, but they are basically virtually 100% sold, so the remarketing effort was quick and efficient, but that's baked into the guidance for the future. We've also gone through an exhaustive review of our entire fall book and we believe that the guidance we've given today is a result of the quarter order by order book at what our expectations are for the balance of the year.

Robert Drbul - Lehman Brothers

Analyst

Tim, can you quantify a little bit in terms of the magnitude of the adjustment that you're making on from an order perspective with the factories?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Well, I'm sorry. We have basically no ability to canceling factory orders. So this... the guidance we've given is a function of the inventory that we own and our expectations for liquidation.

Robert Drbul - Lehman Brothers

Analyst

Okay. And on the cancellations, can you talk about the breadth of cancellations, was it one retailer, was it one channel, was it several retailers, just how that whole thing unfolded for you?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

It really mirrored the company's volume across all channels and was probably... could arguably be centered in most of our customers that are publicly held. So that the announcements that they have been talking to their investors about in terms of management of their inventories was quite impactful to us in this quarter.

Robert Drbul - Lehman Brothers

Analyst

And then one final question from me is on Mervyns, can you talk about the exposure that you guys have to Mervyns and how you are managing it?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

It's virtually zero. So they are our customers, but our financial exposure is virtually zero on any order business, which is very, very low. Any orders, which are low, already big... our expectations are baked into the guidance.

Robert Drbul - Lehman Brothers

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much. Good luck.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from the line of Kate Mcshane with Citigroup.

Kate Mcshane - Citigroup

Analyst

Hi, good afternoon. I think you said last quarter there would be an additional 350 basis points to seven [ph] SG&A this year and this quarter you said there would be I think 440 basis points, so can you walk us through what changed with that guidance?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

I am going to ask Bryan to answer that question.

Bryan L. Timm - Chief Financial Officer

Analyst

Sure. I know when we spoke three months ago, Kate, I mean we talked a lot about the absolute dollars in terms of SG&A build. And I think three months ago, our expectation at that time was maybe about $50 million up in absolute dollar build over SG&A. Now in our current expectation, that number has probably dropped to about $45 million and again most of that being variable component, which is really a reduction in sales. So again, from a basis point perspective, again with the lack of sales or sales coming off the... our previous expectation by $68 million or so, that's obviously changed the basis points from a percentage standpoint.

Kate Mcshane - Citigroup

Analyst

Okay, so it's deleveraging and not increase in spend?

Bryan L. Timm - Chief Financial Officer

Analyst

Correct.

Kate Mcshane - Citigroup

Analyst

Okay. And then second question I had, you mentioned in your prepared comments that higher production costs impacted your COGS during the quarter. Is that... are we talking about higher sourcing cost in terms of material and labor or are we just talking about transportation? And if we are talking about higher sourcing costs, are you planning to increase prices to your retailer and if you haven't, when do you plan to do so?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

All right. Well, with respect to higher production costs, really you could take out a couple... in a couple different ways. Number one, yes, you're right, raw material certainly increased. Obviously, with the oil prices and whatnot, some of our freight rates have also increased. But really what I was trying to get at is more related to just our overall sourcing base in Asia pretty much a fixed costs for us and those costs are basically spread on a unit basis over the production and obviously the production volumes is certainly seen in our inventory levels from a year ago in the second quarter have dropped significantly and therefore giving really a higher cost per unit in the second quarter. So, that's also what I would expect for the balance of the year. With respect to our ability to pass those on in our prices, we've already gone to market for Fall and we've also already gone to market for Spring '09. So we are up there right now giving pre-cost for the Fall '09 book of business and we will have to see what kind of increases ultimately develop there and whether or not we have the ability and price elasticity to pass those on to our customers.

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Just of just on, Kate, I mean our expectation is that any price increases that we get will be passed on to our customers.

Kate Mcshane - Citigroup

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from the line of John Shanley with Susquehanna.

John Shanley - Susquehanna Financial Group

Analyst

Thank you. Good evening everybody.

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Hi, John.

John Shanley - Susquehanna Financial Group

Analyst

What is the level of order backlog for both domestic and international at the end of 2Q?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

John, we announce our order backlog twice a year, once at the end of first quarter for Fall and once at the end of third quarter for Spring. So, we haven't announced… and we would announce it out Q3... end of Q3.

John Shanley - Susquehanna Financial Group

Analyst

Based on the cancellations and everything else that you just outlined for us, would it be a fair assessment to anticipate that the order level would be down to some more degree?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Well, I wouldn't necessarily assume that. We've basically given guidance which contemplates our expectations for the balance of the year.

John Shanley - Susquehanna Financial Group

Analyst

Okay. All right. Based on that third quarter guidance you just gave us, it appears that the fourth quarter results would be down about 45% on a operating and profit basis. Would this cause you to rethink some of the company's strategic initiatives that you just outlined for us, specifically the retail expansion plants?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Absolutely not. Now we feel that the best use of the company's balance sheet which is quite significant is to take advantage of the strengths that we have in times like this and to make investments where we think they are appropriate to re-energize the business. So we are planning on continuing our investments as planned.

John Shanley - Susquehanna Financial Group

Analyst

Okay.

Bryan L. Timm - Chief Financial Officer

Analyst

John, if I could interject too, as it relates to just other, I mean Tim's talking about more the strategic investments that we are making, which again center around our retail expansion and really the additional marketing spend that we have this year for demand creation. But again as we look down the rest of the company's operating cost structure, we're certainly looking for those levers that we can call to pull back as we see the short fall on the top line. So, we've done that to a small extent in the second quarter, some personnel cost reductions and whatnot, and we'll continue to assess that as we go through the balance of the year and obviously when we see our first snap shot of what we believe our Spring '09 book of business is going to be.

John Shanley - Susquehanna Financial Group

Analyst

When you would get that, Bryan? Would that be before or after MAGIC?

Bryan L. Timm - Chief Financial Officer

Analyst

We wouldn't have the bulk of the Spring orders in until the end of September.

John Shanley - Susquehanna Financial Group

Analyst

September, okay. Turning to the retail stores for a second, what's the level of productivity that you need to justify the rents that I am sure you going to be paying in like the North Michigan store that was just announced as well as the Mall of America big unit that was just announced. Can you give some idea of what your productivity would be in order to meet the pro forma that you have laid out in terms of those stories contribution to the company's bottom line results?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Yeah, John, this is Tim. We've baked those results into the guidance that we have given you in a lumpsum form. We are not sure exactly when those things are going to come online, so we've baked in our best estimates. And we would expect that over time those stores would be highly productive. We don't intend to release financial metrics on those things on the stores because the expectation is they, even though they will be important for brand building and they will be a contributor to the business, we don't expect that they are going to be a high percentage of revenues.

John Shanley - Susquehanna Financial Group

Analyst

Are you still planning for 15 outlet stores and five first-line and three mountain hardware stores for this year, Tim, is that the game plan?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Yes, I think that those numbers are roughly correct. The 15 mini outlet stores and five Columbias and three mountain hardware, if that maybe that they move up or down one or two depending on our ability to complete construction and inventory... excuse me, availability of real estate, et cetera, but those are roughly correct.

John Shanley - Susquehanna Financial Group

Analyst

Okay, good enough. Thanks a lot, appreciate it.

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Thanks, John

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Your next question is from Sam Poser of Sterne Agee. Sam Poser - Sterne, Agee & Leach: Good afternoon. I have a quick question on the SG&A [inaudible] how do you see it right now?

Bryan L. Timm - Chief Financial Officer

Analyst

Sam, your phone cut off there, so we couldn't hear your full question. Sam Poser - Sterne, Agee & Leach: I am sorry. The SG&A increase, I guess the $45 million, how does that break down?

Bryan L. Timm - Chief Financial Officer

Analyst

This is Bryan, Sam. I apologize, but for whatever reason I'm not picking up your question whatsoever, but I'm going trying to interpret what I believe I heard the question to be. The Incremental average here is incremental SG&A expense for 2008 that roughly is split between advertising being one major component, the other major component being really be ramp up cost with our retail expansion.. Sam Poser - Sterne, Agee & Leach: Can you hear me?

Bryan L. Timm - Chief Financial Officer

Analyst

[inaudible] incremental SG&A spend for 2008, that roughly is split between advertising being one major component, the other major component being really the ramp up cost with our retail expansion. Sam Poser - Sterne, Agee & Leach: So, that's... can you hear me?

Bryan L. Timm - Chief Financial Officer

Analyst

It's really rough. Sam Poser - Sterne, Agee & Leach: I will dial back in and try to ask... get back on.

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Okay. Sam Poser - Sterne, Agee & Leach: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from the line of Sara Hasan with McAdams Wright Ragen.

Sara Hasan - McAdams Wright Ragen

Analyst

Hi. Could you talk a little bit about your balance sheet in particular? Your cash balance that continues to grow? It just looks a little like you are almost hoarding it, and I'm just wondering why?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Well, I know Bryan has some comments he wants to make, but I can tell you in periods of economic uncertainties such as we are certainly going through today, a very strong, even fortressed balance sheet is a real comfort frankly, number one. Number two, it allows us to make decisions even though they may in the short-term be somewhat painful, but allows us to make decisions and strategic initiatives... invest in strategic initiatives which for the long-term are going to be good for the business. So, I'm comfortable with the balance sheet composition as it is. We are mindful that it is the responsibility of management to have returns on all parts of the assets of the company, and we believe that today we are using them correctly. But Bryan may have some additional comments.

Bryan L. Timm - Chief Financial Officer

Analyst

Well, the only other comment I'd like to made are just really around at the end of Q2, our balance sheet position. Again I think we commented 90 days ago that we expected our inventory levels to trend down certainly in Q2, which happened. But again please note that we did end up coming short on our expectations to the top line of about $18 million this quarter. So again I think from a working capital perspective we are encouraged from what happened at the end of Q2, but again I think as we look out for the balance of the year, yes, we would continue to believe inventories to trend down, but I'm not sure that at the end of the year, if there is necessarily a big build of cash over that at was December 31st, 2007.

Sara Hasan - McAdams Wright Ragen

Analyst

Okay. And are you looking at acquisition opportunities in difficult times like this, or do you feel like you kind of have your hands full?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Well, I think frankly the best use of the company's assets and it's most important assets, the time of its managers is to really be focused on the business today, and that will frankly be the highest return for the company. But there are... in times like this, a strong balance sheet attracts opportunities, and we would certainly look at those and measure them as to how well they would... they would fit with our current operating model. But I can tell you that the company is very focused on fixing those issues that we see right now in the business.

Sara Hasan - McAdams Wright Ragen

Analyst

Okay, and then just, may I ask how is morale within the company?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Well, you know things... times like this are difficult and it requires management to be strong and to have a solid plan, and I think when you walk around the buildings here today, you know we are a global company, we have significant... I wouldn't say ebullious [ph] but people understand what the plan is and where we are going, and so they take great amount of pride and a great amount of solace in the fact that the company has got a plan for fixing the business, that's number one. Number two, we always talk about the balance sheet and the fact that it allows the company to be doing things, you don't require desperation. And the Team Columbia thing doesn't hurt either. That's been a significant morale improver.

Sara Hasan - McAdams Wright Ragen

Analyst

Good. Thank you.

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from the line of Howard Tubin with RBC Capital Markets.

Howard Tubin - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst

Hey, guys. Thanks. Can you give us any more specifics or any more detail surrounding your marketing plans for the Fall season?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Yes, Howard. As you know we announced that we've added... we've changed the advertising agency that the firm has been using, we put together a new agreement with a new advertising agency based in the Bay Area. So, the plan is to increase the amount of spend on direct marketing to consumers and to re-energize the brand through basically a slight adjustment in our messaging to consumers, still going to include a healthy component [inaudible] but it's also going to include basically the concept of fighting to take back the outdoors for everyone, and that's going to be the overriding theme of the new campaign. It launches here in probably another two, three weeks, and I think it will show consumers how the brand really is in addition to being a broadly popular brand, it also has as number of athletes who might be considered regular people. So that's the primary focus of the ad campaign, but additionally, as you know, the Team Columbia initiative here has just been spectacular in terms of brand awareness with a very passionate group of outdoor enthusiasts. So, I would say that in concert the expectation is that the brand awareness and the thoughts about the brand are going to be considerably higher in the second half.

Howard Tubin - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst

Got it. Great, thanks. And then just one follow-up on the follow-up on the balance sheet question, any thoughts maybe buy stock back more aggressively over the next couple of quarters?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Well, we as a habit don't... don't comment on our future plans as it relates to share buybacks, but I think you can see that the company is... there are obviously a number of ways to utilize cash appropriately and that's one of them.

Howard Tubin - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from the line of Sam Poser with Sterne, Agee. Sam Poser - Sterne, Agee & Leach: Hi, can you hear me better now?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

That's better, Sam. Sam Poser - Sterne, Agee & Leach: All right, thank you. What was the cost of the Team Columbia deal?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

I am sorry, what was the cost? Sam Poser - Sterne, Agee & Leach: The cost.

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Oh, I am sorry. Well, we have an agreement with the owner of the team which stipulates that we have… that stipulates we be confidential in terms of the cost. But I can tell you it's been the most expensive deal the company has ever done, but it's been highly rewarding. Sam Poser - Sterne, Agee & Leach: Good. And then I just need... I just want to verify once again I've one other question With the... you had mentioned in another... somebody asked this question that you really can cancel your factory orders, so your guidance... I just want to clarify, your guidance is based then on the potential discounts that you are going to... that you will be giving to your retail accounts with the excess of inventory due to the cancellations?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

So, yes, the guidance includes our planned liquidation of Spring '08 product that was cancelled in the second quarter and that's already been sold. So, that's a known number and then it's our expectation that some of our sales at full-price, our re-order sales and cancelled sales, which still has to be liquidated. Sam Poser - Sterne, Agee & Leach: Okay. And did you take into your account any of that guidance in that thought process, sort of the fast changing atmosphere in the United States as you had mentioned is going on, and three months ago, you wouldn't have expected what happened today, have you taken into... have you been very conservative in that thought processing this could still get worse kind of idea or are you seeing what you are seeing and taking that today, does that make any sense?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Makes perfect sense. We've spent a lot of time on it. We've basically analyzed our order book exactly as you've described. Sam Poser - Sterne, Agee & Leach: Okay. And then just one last thing on the marketing, you had mentioned on the last call that you, and it's in your head, you think you are an authentic outdoor brand, and you really don't like the word fashion, but I mean people are going to buy those the jerseys for the cycling as a fashion piece. If it's authentic and there is fashion attached to it or style, I mean are you working closer to sort of to get the two closer together without... do you understand what I am saying, you know making it more stylish fashion? You don't like the word fashion but --

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

We consider that our products have to be appropriate for the time and have to be covered right and have to be desirable, so those are all parts of parcels of what we put into the... into our product mix. The cycling jerseys themselves are not made by us nor are they sold by us. They are sold by a firm that has licensing rights, it does that. That's their only businesses is cycling jerseys. So, those will be bought by enthusiastic. Lots of people buy them and wear them around but they aren't going to be impactful on our revenues at all. We are going to offer what we call half-bike apparel which would be fan apparel or training apparel. So, a biking enthusiastic could wear some of our terrific outdoor products while he is training and some of them will covered and embellished, close to the uniform, but they are not going to the cycling jersey. Sam Poser - Sterne, Agee & Leach: And then I'm sorry, one another thing. With the new outlet store, I mean is there a chance that you may increase the opening of those outlet stores because it would be clearly be a more profitable way of liquidating of some of this excess... of this excess inventory, or the potential excess inventory?

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

We think we have an opening scheduled which is appropriate for our investment in talent here and for the... besides the market and so we are going to be sticking right to the plans as announced. Sam Poser - Sterne, Agee & Leach: Okay. Thank you, very much

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

Thanks, Sam.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions].

Timothy P. Boyle - President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Analyst

All right. Well, thank you very much for listening to us and we look forward to joining you in October for our third quarter conference call.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's Columbia's Sportswear second quarter '08 financial results conference call. You may now disconnect.