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Q3 2014 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 16, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Umpqua Holdings Corporation third quarter earnings conference call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Ron Farnsworth, Chief Financial Office. Please go ahead, sir.

Ronald Farnsworth

Management

Thank you, Roxie. Good morning and thank you for joining us today, as we discuss the results of operations for the third quarter of 2014 for Umpqua Holdings Corporation. With me this morning are Ray Davis, President and CEO of Umpqua Holdings Corporation; Cort O'Haver, our President of Commercial Banking; and Mark Wardlow, our Chief Credit Officer. Greg Seibly, our President of Consumer Banking, is unable to join us as he's out traveling on business. Cort and Mark will join us for the Q&A session. Yesterday afternoon we issued an earnings release discussing our financial results. We have also prepared a slide presentation, which we will refer to during our remarks this morning. Both of these materials can be found on our website, at umpquabank.com, under the Ask Us, Investor Relations section. I would also like to remind you that today's presentation may include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provisions for the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, which management believes are a benefit to shareholders. These statements are necessarily subject to risk and uncertainty and actual results could differ materially due to certain risk factors, including those set forth in our filings with the SEC. You should not place undue reliance on forward-looking statements. The company does not intend to correct or update any of the forward-looking statements that we make today. We ask that you review the forward-looking statement disclosures contained within our SEC filings such as our most recent Form 10-Q, our earnings release as well as on Page 2 of our third quarter 2014 earnings presentation. A two-week rebroadcast of this call will be available two hours after the call by dialing 888-203-1112. This phone number and the access code are also noted in the earnings release we issued yesterday afternoon. And I will now turn the call over to Ray Davis.

Raymond Davis

Management

Thanks. Good morning, everybody. Today we are reporting the first full quarter and second overall quarter of the combined Umpqua Sterling financial results. We continue to make good progress on the integration of the two companies, and remain on track to complete the majority of these activities by the end of the first quarter of 2015. Umpqua's third quarter earnings performance and organic balance sheet growth were right in line with our expectations and validates our integration projections, as well as our creative strategies for continued growth in spite of our consolidation activities. For the quarter, Umpqua Holdings reported operating earnings of $65 million or $0.30 per common share. This is up from $54 million or $0.27 per common share in the second quarter. As a reminder, operating earnings are defined as earnings available to common shareholders before gains and losses on junior subordinated debentures carried at fair value and merger related expenses, both net of tax. Our results for the quarter also reflect continued strong organic loan and deposit growth, higher topline revenues and increased capital and liquidity levels. During the quarter, our focus continued to be on successfully completing integration, continued organic expansion and positioning the balance sheet for an eventual higher interest rate environment. As mentioned in previous quarters, we believe that building up core deposits within this interest rate environment is important. Once rates do move up, the true value of building a franchise that offers more than attractive rates to clients and customers will come to light. As you are aware, over the last 20 years, Umpqua has successfully done just that. Our franchise, which funds commercial loan activities with solid core deposits is built to endure difficult economic times and prosper during good economic periods. During the third quarter, we grew over $400 million…

Ronald Farnsworth

Management

Thanks, Ray. As I go through my comments, I will be referring to certain slides from the presentation deck, which we posted on the Investor Relations section of umpquabank.com, yesterday afternoon. As shown, net of tax, on Slide 4 of the presentation, merger expenses decreased by 85% from the prior quarter, as expected. We will incur additional merger-related expense over the next few quarters, as we complete store consolidations, excess facility consolidations and the system conversions. As noted on Slide 5, our interest-bearing cash increased this quarter to $1.2 billion or 5% of total assets. We intentionally increase this balance as predicted last quarter, to increase our asset sensitivity, heading into a potentially higher interest rate environment next year. This growth was funded by continued increase in deposits of our loans and maturities from the investment portfolio. Building higher level of interest-bearing cash is a complex decision. We are constantly monitoring the cash position in light of current and potential market interest rates, including recognizing the volatility and longer-term treasury yields over the past few weeks. But we also weigh the potential for duration investments to negatively impact our tangible book value in higher rate environments, our interest rate risk profile and our targets. The last thing we want is for rates to increase and fund ourselves with underwater investments, while economic activity is picking up. I can say we are getting closer to that breakeven point of holding cash versus reinvesting additional incoming cash. But at the same time it's a decision, where we currently want to maintain as much optionality on our side of the fence as possible. At the bottom of Slide 5, I'll note, our tangible book value continues to increase, up $0.09 this quarter, reflective of strong income, offset by the dividend and a small…

Raymond

Management

Last quarter, we reiterated that our most important endeavors were focused on Sterling integration, continued organic growth, and improving shareholder returns. These have not changed. And as we have reported this morning, progress has been made in all three. We also mentioned that other strategies we continue to build on are to protect and grow deposits in a rising rate environment, continued rebalancing of the loan portfolio, lowering our efficiency ratio to under 60% and to continue to evolve our delivery systems to ensure their relevancy into the future. Again, as reported this morning, strong progress has been realized in all of the above. We will now take your questions.

Davis

President and CEO

Last quarter, we reiterated that our most important endeavors were focused on Sterling integration, continued organic growth, and improving shareholder returns. These have not changed. And as we have reported this morning, progress has been made in all three. We also mentioned that other strategies we continue to build on are to protect and grow deposits in a rising rate environment, continued rebalancing of the loan portfolio, lowering our efficiency ratio to under 60% and to continue to evolve our delivery systems to ensure their relevancy into the future. Again, as reported this morning, strong progress has been realized in all of the above. We will now take your questions.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) We'll take our first question from Jeff Rulis with D.A. Davidson.

Jeff Rulis - D.A. Davidson

Analyst · D.A. Davidson

Ray, you mentioned the expectation of loan sales to continue. Any idea of sort of similar levels going forward both on the amount of sales and perhaps the gains?

Raymond Davis

Management

As far as the amount of sales, one thing I think we've been very consistent with all of our comments is, we do not expect any major overhauls of the portfolio. It's going to be a long drawn-out process over a period of time, depending on what the market says to us and the availability of buyers at prices we like. So somewhere in this area we're pretty comfortable with.

Jeff Rulis - D.A. Davidson

Analyst · D.A. Davidson

And the characteristics of those loan sales, what exactly are you selling or is it across the board? Obviously, you detailed the loan or the categories it came from, but any other detail on what exactly you are selling or what looks attractive to sell?

Raymond Davis

Management

Yes. As you mentioned, we did detail out the categories of sales. I'd say, the additional color would be on the portfolio residential side. There was just some long-term fixed rate stuff we wanted to include in the sale to position us for higher rates.

Jeff Rulis - D.A. Davidson

Analyst · D.A. Davidson

And with that intention on the loan sales, is there also an expectation of seeing similar net loan growth figures based on what you know today?

Raymond Davis

Management

We believe strongly that our overall loan production teams that Cort O'Haver has built over the last several years is working fine, and we do anticipate future loan growth. One of the things we tried to do to let everybody understand what's going on with our portfolio is we report it both ways. We report a gross, because I want you to know that the amount of production this past quarter was another very big quarter in production for us. But you also need to understand that as far as the rebalancing goes, there will be some loan sales, and we believe these loan sales will continue for some time.

Jeff Rulis - D.A. Davidson

Analyst · D.A. Davidson

And then on the conversions, maybe a little more detail, you said the majority of conversions completed in Q1. Could you itemize what might slip into Q2 or what exactly is slated for Q1 of the major conversions?

Ronald Farnsworth

Management

You bet. Jeff, this is Ron. From a conversion standpoint, there has already been several smaller system conversions that have occurred. There are several conversions, all on parallel paths for various systems, all culminating with main core system conversion, which will be in Q1. It will be very little left following that from a system standpoint.

Jeff Rulis - D.A. Davidson

Analyst · D.A. Davidson

So your discussion on the targeted cost synergies should be all completed as of Q1 going into Q2, is that correct?

Ronald Farnsworth

Management

In Q1 we'll be in pretty good shape.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Aaron Deer with Sandler O'Neill & Partners. Aaron Deer - Sandler O'Neill & Partners: Ray, just following up, you sounded fairly optimistic on the loan production. Do you have any targets in terms of what we might expect to see for net production over the coming year?

Raymond Davis

Management

Well, first, we don't give number of -- yes, Aaron, we don't give specific guidance on those numbers. And again, the net obviously depends on, and I'm speaking obvious here, our overall gross production less whatever we do determine if it's appropriate to sell to continue to rebalance the portfolio a little bit heavier on the C&I side and on the consumer side. So I think steady as she goes is fine with us right now. I know there is lot of questions that we fielded on the amount of cash we have and the deposit growth that we are experiencing, which is very positive, will that outstrip our overall loan growth? And I actually believe that our loan production will pretty much stay in line with overall deposit growth for the long-term. So, yes. If I sounded optimistic, I meant to sound optimistic. Aaron Deer - Sandler O'Neill & Partners: Can you give us any sense of where maybe the pipeline stands today for the overall organization versus where it was last quarter at this time?

Ronald Farnsworth

Management

This is Ron. Yes, roughly $2.5 billion for the commercial and that's relatively flat from the last couple of quarters on a combined basis. Aaron Deer - Sandler O'Neill & Partners: Yes. I remember you noted that it was heavily commercially focused. I mean can we expect better production on it coming out of the commercial portfolio then?

Raymond Davis

Management

That's a good question. This past quarter we've seen, I'd say, very little to no movement on overall line utilization. But that line portfolio is being built up nicely through the C&I production that we are adding, which will eventually provide additional wind in our sales. So, yes, we feel good about that. Aaron Deer - Sandler O'Neill & Partners: And then just lastly, other than the 27 store consolidations that you've announced, if you guys have kind of worked further through this process, are there any more stores that you anticipate might be opportunities for some consolidation?

Raymond Davis

Management

I don't roll that out. I believe that there could very likely be a few more consolidations. We really aren't closing anything. They're all being consolidated into one another. So, yes, we look forward to seeing a few more. I don't think there will be another 27, but there could be another six to eight. Aaron Deer - Sandler O'Neill & Partners: And one last one, if I may. Ron, you have the legacy yield, the average balance and average yield for the legacy Sterling portfolio?

Ronald Farnsworth

Management

The average balance and average yield for the legacy Sterling portfolio, not on my fingertips.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Steven Alexopoulos with JPMorgan.

Steven Alexopoulos - JPMorgan

Analyst · JPMorgan

I want to start, could you talk about what total originations were in the quarter on the loan side, and how you view that number in the context of these companies that have finally come together? Is there a lot of upside to that over the next couple of quarters? How do you view, but first I'd like to get the number where we were, and how you view that as a run rate or opportunity to improve it?

Cort O'Haver

Analyst · JPMorgan

Steve, its Cort. So total production in the quarter for home lending commercial and consumer breaks down to be about $1.9 billion. Of that home lending, about 53%, about $1 billion; commercial was about $800 million; and consumer was about $100 million, about 5%. So that's how it breaks down in total. On the commercial side, in that segment, about a-half of it was C&I and a-half of it was real estate-related debt financing. Pipeline for commercial, and I think Ron talked about it in fairly great depth of home lending side, has remained fairly strong. We have directed the sales force more to C&I side. We've seen a shift and we've seen a shift in our pipeline, and the production on the commercial side was up fairly dramatically during the quarter. We anticipate that will continue going in the fourth quarter into next year.

Steven Alexopoulos - JPMorgan

Analyst · JPMorgan

Cort, what were the originations for multifamily? I know you sold $35 million, but what were the originations there?

Cort O'Haver

Analyst · JPMorgan

In the quarter, $204 million.

Steven Alexopoulos - JPMorgan

Analyst · JPMorgan

Shifting gears for a second. The non-covered loan yields are pretty high, the 5.62%, recognize the accretions in there. What was the blended yield that you guys were adding new loans in the quarter?

Raymond Davis

Management

I'm sorry, say it one more time.

Steven Alexopoulos - JPMorgan

Analyst · JPMorgan

So I'm trying to get a sense of, the portfolio loan yields are very high, but the loans that you held in portfolio this quarter, what was the approximate yield, like that new money yield that you added new loans in the quarter?

Cort O'Haver

Analyst · JPMorgan

Well, it depends on the loan type. I would say, on a fixed rate basis, on a five-year fixed rate, you are in the fours, on a floating-rate debt obligation for all of C&I, you're probably harboring around prime-ish, maybe a little bit under, if you got good deposits and other fee related income. Most deals over five years we swap, so we don't do a lot over the five year. So I would say, around 4%, 4.25% on a five year, and say, you can use 3%, 3.25% on a floating rate.

Steven Alexopoulos - JPMorgan

Analyst · JPMorgan

And just one final one, maybe for you, Ron. When you think about the combined company, I know you're holding cash, increases your asset sensitivity. But when you think about the combined company and sensitivity to the long end of the curve versus short end of the curve, how are you positioned today?

Ronald Farnsworth

Management

Well, I'd say, like most community bank sits on the overnight to roughly four to five year part of the curve, the 10 year part of the curve as it moves up and down, that affects really two things for most community banks, it affects bond pricing and mortgage production in related MSR. So we're really off of the overnight to four to five year part of the curve.

Operator

Operator

We'll here next from Jacque Chimera with KBW.

Jacque Chimera - KBW

Analyst · KBW

You mentioned in your prepared remarks that some of the loans that had refinanced away, they had terms that you weren't interested in booking them at. Is that any different from other quarters, or are you seeing competition pick up even further?

Raymond Davis

Management

We're always under pressure from big banks. It's mostly big banks on price. And we're seeing floating rate bids that are pretty low, well under 200 over LIBOR, so we'll pass on those. So it's a little more competitive, Jacque, then it has been. Last year, it was probably more on terms. This year, it seems to be more on rate. And we just -- we're not going to bid.

Jacque Chimera - KBW

Analyst · KBW

So if the terms come back, the terms are more acceptable then, you're not seeing terms and rate. It's just more rate this year?

Ronald Farnsworth

Management

Last year term was in vogue and this year it seems to be rate.

Jacque Chimera - KBW

Analyst · KBW

Anyone's guess what next year will be? And then also just as I look at the deposit growth, I mean it was really wonderful in the quarter. Do you have any sort of ongoing campaigns right now or anything special that you are focusing on?

Raymond Davis

Management

Yes, we do, Jacque. In fact, we have a major -- we don't even call them campaigns anymore. We have a major overall cultural brand platform that we'll be kicking off here in November, which we believe will be significant. It's something that all associates of Umpqua have been teased about and we're looking forward to rolling that out here in the mid-November timeframe. We should have again put a little bit more speed into what we're doing on overall deposit growth and building relationships.

Jacque Chimera - KBW

Analyst · KBW

And does that tie into the comment on new creative strategies for early next year?

Raymond Davis

Management

It certainly does.

Jacque Chimera - KBW

Analyst · KBW

And is that something that would be more driven on loan and deposit growth or would there be additional fee potential as well from that?

Raymond Davis

Management

It will be all-encompassing. It's all about relationships and overall relationship profitability with us. So it will be all-encompassing.

Jacque Chimera - KBW

Analyst · KBW

And then just one last quick one. The original merger costs, I have them written down is about $80 million. Is that still a good number or will they go up from there?

Ronald Farnsworth

Management

No. Jacque this is Ron. I talked a quarter ago, we had some allocations. So slightly lower other liability fair value adjustments, and we expect it's slightly higher merger expense, so it would be up a little bit from that in total and you will see the balance of that come in over the next couple of quarters, as I mentioned, related to store facility consolidations and then our system conversions.

Operator

Operator

We'll move next to Joe Morford with RBC Capital Market.

Joe Morford - RBC Capital Market

Analyst

I guess you talked about building up cash at the fed for flexibility. What are the things you're kind of focused on that are decision points that are going to get you to start deploying that more actively, or are you just waiting for more of a broader uptick in loan demand or something like that?

Ronald Farnsworth

Management

Well, we've had strong loan growth. We've also had strong deposit growth. I personally -- we see all the volatility in the treasury yields and the bond yields, and I mean, heck, over the last, what, half month, we're down anywhere from 30 bps to 50 bps on the 10-year treasury, which is really one of the main drivers for investment yields. So again, as I mentioned earlier, it's a complex decision, but what we do then in the third quarter and early here in the fourth, we were increasing mid-spring cash position to improve the overall interest rate risk profile for next year, and we'll continue to monitor that. We're getting closer to that breakeven point. I don't think we're quite there yet. We want to maintain some optionality on our side of the fence. But going forward it will be really based on balancing out the overall net loan or deposit flows.

Joe Morford - RBC Capital Market

Analyst

And then, I guess, just a general comment or a question just about; if you look across your footprint what are the markets that are maybe a little stronger than others or maybe a little weak. Just trying to get a little better sense of the different trends in your markets?

Raymond Davis

Management

Really, it hasn't changed very much since last quarter. We're seeing solid growth in multifamily coming out of our Southern California operations. The major urban areas, San Francisco, Bay Area, Portland, Puget Sound, those are obviously, for obvious reasons, the strongest areas where we have the largest amount of teams on the ground and we're seem to be doing very well there.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] At this time, there appears that there are no additional questions in the queue. I'd like to now turn the conference over to Mr. Ron Farnsworth.

Ronald Farnsworth

Management

Excellent. I want to thank everyone for their interest in Umpqua Holdings and their attendance on the call today. This will conclude the call. Good bye.

Operator

Operator

That does conclude today's conference. Thank you for your participation.