Good day, everyone and welcome to the Compass Diversified Holdings Q4 2013 Earnings Conference Call. Today’s call is being recorded. (Operator Instructions) At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mike Cimmini for introductions and the reading of the Safe Harbor statement. Please go ahead, Sir.

Thank you. And welcome to Compass Diversified Holdings, fourth quarter 2013 conference call. Representing the Company today are Alan Offenberg, CEO, Ryan Faulkingham, CFO and Elias Sabo, a founding partner of Compass Group Management. Before we begin, I would like to point out that the Q4 press release, including the financial table is available on the Company’s website at www.compassdiversifiedholdings.com. The Company also filed its Form 10-K with the SEC last night. Please note that throughout this call we will refer to Compass Diversified Holdings as CODI or the Company. Now allow me to read the following Safe Harbor statement. During this conference call, we may make certain forward-looking statements, including statements with regard to the future performance of CODI. Words such as believes, expects, projects and future or similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to the inherent uncertainties in predicting future results and conditions. Certain factors could cause actual results to differ on a material basis from those projected in these forward-looking statements. And some of these factors are enumerated in the Risk Factor discussion in the Form 10-K as filed with the SEC for the year ended December 31, 2013, as well as in other SEC filings. In particular, the domestic and global economic environment has a significant impact on our subsidiary companies. CODI undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Alan Offenberg.

Good morning. Thank you, all for your time, and welcome to our fourth quarter 2013 earnings conference call. During the fourth quarter and full year 2013, we continue to leverage the leadership position and comparative financial strength of our subsidiary businesses. Our on going efforts to increase the related market share and expand into adjacent market enables CODI to generate cash flow available for distribution and reinvestment, which we refer to as cash flow or CAD of $73.5 million for the year. Throughout the year we continue to invest in the long-term performance of our existing family of businesses increasing the year-over-year amount of capital expenditures by more than 10%, which Ryan will discuss in more detail later on the call. Another important initiative to note for 2014 is the success we achieved in taking advantage of the favorable credit market conditions enabling CODI to enhance its financial flexibility and reduce overall borrowing costs. Specifically we expand the size of our term loan facility by $30 million and reduced the interest rate by 125 basis points. We also expanded the size of our revolver by $30 million and lowered the interest rate for this facility by 50 basis points. Although cash flow for the fourth quarter and full year 2013 was reduced year-over-year due in large part to the exclusion of the results from our FOX subsidiary upon the completion of its IPO on August 2013, CODI generated substantial debt and equity proceeds from this offering while maintaining a 54% ownership in FOX common stock. The successful IPO by FOX, the first subsidiary in CODI’s history to go public demonstrate the considerable strength and flexibility of our business model, and the ability to unlock significant value for our owners. CODI generated total net proceeds including the repayment of intercompany debt…

Thank you, Alan. I will begin by reviewing our branded products businesses. During the fourth quarter, our branded products businesses produced both revenue and EBITDA growth on a combined basis of approximately 3.3% and 8.6%, respectively, over the year-earlier period. In addition, the combined EBITDA margin increased to 17.3% for the quarter ended December 31, 2013 from 16.5% for the quarter ended December 31, 2012 for these four subsidiaries on a combined basis. For the fourth quarter, Ergobaby delivered strong EBITDA growth at 10.5% over the year-earlier period. Including Q4 this business has now posted double-digit earnings growth on a year-over-year basis for five out of the past six quarters. Our ongoing efforts to expand the Company’s domestic and international distribution channels and strength in Ergobaby’s brand recognition combined with a strong infrastructure and management team position this business well for continued growth. At Liberty this business posted year-over-year revenue growth of 21% for the fourth quarter, while earnings increased slightly by approximately 2%. We are pleased by Liberty’s record sales and profits for the full year 2013, representing an unprecedented period of growth for the Company. However, we experienced a more normalized level of demand for the Liberty’s premium gun and home safes towards the end of the fourth quarter. The high level of demand experienced in 2013 was driven by external factors discussed on previous calls, and while macro trends for this business remained favorable. We expect revenues to return to more normalized levels in 2014. Booking levels for 2014 are below 2013 levels and at this point we expect lower revenue and EBITDA for Liberty in 2014 as compared to 2013. At FOX, this business had another strong quarter in terms of both revenue and profitability in the fourth quarter. As Alan mentioned earlier, FOX’s results were…

Thank you, Elias. And I’ll discuss our consolidated financial results for the quarter and the year ended December 31, 2013. On a consolidated basis, revenue for the quarter ended December 31, 2013 was $232.7 million, as compared to $218.2 million for the prior year period. This increase was attributable to the double-digit revenue increases at Arnold, AFM, FOX and Liberty, offset by the decrease in revenue at CamelBak. Revenue for the year ended December 31, 2013 climbed to $985.5 million from $884.7 million for the prior year. The net loss for the quarter was $5.1 million, as compared to a net loss of $5.2 million in the year earlier period. For the quarter ended December 31, 2013, we recorded a non-cash impairment charge of approximately $12 million for CODI’s Tridien subsidiary, primarily as a result of a decline in our operating results relative to expectations, during the latter part of 2013, as well as reduction in the 2014 budget. For the year ended December 31, 2013 net income was $78.8 million, which included a $61.3 million Supplemental Put expense reversal in connection with the previously announced termination of the Supplemental Put agreement as a result of the termination CODI no longer accrues any Supplemental Put expense in its financial statements. Net income for the year ended December 31, 2012 was $4.3 million. Cash flow for the quarter ended December 31, 2013 was $9.9 million as compared to $14.9 million for the prior year period. Cash flow for the fourth quarter of 2013 reflects year-over-year growth in our Ergobaby and Arnold Magnetic businesses, offset by the lower performance at CamelBak as well as the adverse impact on cash flow from the IPO of FOX. As mentioned earlier on this call, this business is no longer included in our CAD calculation following…

Thank you, Ryan. To close, I’d like to add some commentary on acquisition activity. Currently, the M&A environment for middle market businesses remains competitive due to the continued availability of low-cost debt capital combined with the prevalence of strategic and financial buyers actively seeking to deploy their capital. As a result, valuation levels are relatively high. We are cautiously optimistic that deal flow for higher-quality companies will increase in 2014, although the timing of any acquisition can be difficult to predict. With substantial liquidity, we remain committed to acquiring new platform businesses, utilizing our disciplined approach to valuation and diligence and appreciate the patience of our shareholders in our pursuit to add profitable companies to our family of businesses, which have a real reason to exist. I’d like to thank everyone again for joining us on today’s call. We’ll be happy to take any questions you may have. Operator, please open the phone lines.

Thank you. (Operator Instructions) Our first question today is from Larry Solow with CJS Securities. Larry Solow – CJS Securities, Inc.: Hi, good morning, guys.

Good morning.

Good morning, Larry. Larry Solow – CJS Securities, Inc.: Just a couple of – the subsidiaries, they’ve have sort of surprised me. I guess the first one would be Arnold, I thought had been showing some improvement the last few quarters and was this quarter more just a timing related or seasonal slowdown or what happened this quarter? And give an outlook for Tridien so you can sort of give us an outlook for Arnold for 2014. That will be great.

Yes, sure, Larry. Arnold, I would say, by and large performed in line with our expectations certainly for the year. With respect to the quarter, this business can be a little lumpy. So your comment referring timing, I think it’s appropriate. We think we did a little bit more in lumpiness. Sometimes the orders just have a long cycle. And so, I really take that the answer to the fourth quarter, but there’s nothing about Arnold business activity in the fourth quarter that gives up [indiscernible] whatsoever as we enter into 2014. Larry Solow – CJS Securities, Inc.: Okay. And what would you expect growth in 2014? I know you had seemingly be a little more positive the last couple of quarters. You added some…

We do anticipate growth in 2014 for Arnold. Larry Solow – CJS Securities, Inc.: Okay. And then just moving on Liberty, I think the slowdown was coming, was sort of written on everywhere, was sort of a well predicted slowdown. Just out of curiosity, sales actually still grew 20%, but EBITDA was flat. Was there anything in there that sort of skewed that profit or profit failure?

Liberty, as you know, had unprecedented demand for their products and with that came a very challenging environment to run the factory to meet the levels of demand. And so, I think that they were some, what is uncharacteristic to Liberty in particular, inefficiencies that led to some challenges with respect to margins. So I think that if there is any benefit to the slowdown, which we’re incurring is that it does give them a little breathing room to address some of the inefficiencies that they’d experienced and, in fact, we’re seeing already improvement in that. And so, I think that is a silver lining to Liberty’s situation right now, but I would say that that represents the bulk of what would have led to margin deterioration. There was not a situation there where they were discounting products or anything like that. So I think that the business, again, in historical context remains really strong. What’s coming up of the year that was truly unprecedented, it’s very difficult to expect that there would be growth as we talk about in previous calls. The slowdown, as you said, was expected and anticipated. I think it’s one of those things where as it came about, it really just stops the wrong word. It presented itself on short notice. I guess it’s the best way to put it and many customers found themselves with sufficient levels of inventory that they just did not need to continue to order at the rates that they were ordering at in earlier parts of 2013. Larry Solow – CJS Securities, Inc.: Right. Just lastly on one of your other large holding, Advanced Circuits, been flat, certainly down last few years and given government spending and what not declines. It’s not a surprise. As government spending hopefully starts to flatten out and the economy starts to improve, what could sort of get this back up to the mid single-digit top line grower that it historically has been?

Elias, would you like to take that.

Yes, sure. Larry, so I think you’re correct in saying that a lot of the slowdown has been driven by the reduction in government spending broadly, most specifically in our defense spending. I think if just that levels off we’ll see a resumption of growth, but because it’s a reasonably large component of our business, if you have one piece of your business that’s kind of just flat to achieve kind of even low levels of growth is a pretty big achievement on the rest of the book of business. In order to get to kind of mid single-digit, high single-digit type growth rates again, I believe we’re going to need to see some improvement in defense spending. I think it’s beyond just the change in sequester that we had a couple of months ago. I think we’ll actually have to see actually improving defense spend. So our outlook is kind of muted coming into the year. I think we view 2014 as being similar to 2013, which given the environment we think is positive, and as you know, the company produces tremendous levels of cash flow, which really helps to get through this period, but I do believe to get back up to kind of higher levels of growth. We are going to need to see defense spending really resuming. Larry Solow – CJS Securities, Inc.: Got it. Okay, great. Thanks.

(Operator Instructions) We’ll go next to Greg Mason with KBW. Greg Mason – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.: Hi, great. Good morning everyone.

Good morning Greg.

Good morning, Greg. Greg Mason – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.: Good morning, you said that Liberty was going to go back to normal levels of revenue. What have you guys considered normal? Is that kind of 2012 run rate or little more guidance there?

Yes, Greg that is a great question and it’s a question that is I’m not going to – I will get to you, but I just want to put some context in it. In addition to the external event what we refer to on our previous call is that that grow Liberty’s business, the company as you may recall had also undergone or real marketing transformation, and it began some marketing efforts that it had never undertaken previously, and we’ve seen real success in that. While it’s hard to, we don’t really want to attribute to 2013 performance to that at any great measure because it’s very hard to quantify. But we were seeing results from those efforts that were boosting not only Liberty’s product awareness, but also raising category awareness for the safe industry. And I think that I would expected to be higher than 2012 levels, but understanding and figuring out, what that mean normal is for Liberty, is really fluid and hard for us to pin down exactly, and it’s also difficult for the management team to do that, and something that we spend a lot of time discussing, and trying to figure out and while it sounds very reactive. I think part of understanding what that new normal is going to be, it’s going to just simply involve and live in here. I think that the Company has made very strategic moves investing in its manufacturing capability. As you’ve heard of described previously to really position itself as the premium made in the USA state company, and so we think that we are in a position to even increase market share going forward. But the new normal is really something that we hope to see establish this year, but I personally would expect it to be and I think our team at Liberty would expect that to be higher than 2012. Greg Mason – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.: Great, good perfect color. And then staying with Liberty on the gross profit margins that you have talked a lot in the past about how the increased demand you had that outsource manufacturing and other things. As we look at 24% kind of gross profit margin in 2013, this 26% in 2012 as we kind of return to a more normal level of revenue and these operating efficiencies that you’ve talked about. Where do you think that gross profit number can go to?

Yes, I think that over time that the gross – to the extent the Company is manufacturing more of its product here and not importing its programs. We would expect to see its gross margins improve. However, we do with the slowdown, we do have a level of import inventory that we are still working through that may continue to put some pressure on margins throughout 2014 as we monetize that inventory. The timing of when we are throughout that process, it’s a bit unclear at this time. So it might be we will not see an immediate return to those higher levels of margins in 2014 as we get through that import inventory. However, I would expect over a longer period of time to see the Company’s margins return to the level that you referenced. Greg Mason – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.: Okay. That’s great. And then, on just the broad M&A environment, I appreciate your prepared comments. Could you talk a little bit about what caused the acquisition attempt to fall through, was it price or diligence? And just as you’re looking at the pipeline for new deals, do you think the biggest issue is finding quality companies or is it much more the price that you’re willing to pay?

Yes, I’ll take the first question about the scale of diligence or acquisition attempt. I guess in a lot of way price and diligence and all of those things kind of all come together at some point, but as you could tell by the amount of dollars that Ryan referenced in his comment, we were obviously a very late stage in the process and really in that specific context we have a very specific targeted level of performance that our offer was conditioned upon and the Company did not achieve that level of performance. We remain very interested in the company. In some cases you’re able to revisit pricing and adjust for that level of performance. Unfortunately, in this case the seller was unwilling to revisit price and we did not feel good about consummating that transaction given the shortfall on the company’s performance relative to the expectations we had when we put the company under letter of intent. And really, it’s unfortunately absent. Greg Mason – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.: Okay.

With respect to the new deal environment, we have seen good quality opportunities in 2014 already and towards the latter part of 2013. I think that finding the right balance between price and solid companies, it really the line we’re trying to walk right now. There have been several opportunities that we’ve been very excited about that we’ve simply just been priced out of. And there are others that were more competitive on. And so we’re frustrated as we enter 2014 relative to what we dealt with in 2013. However, we have been continued to plug away and find our stocks hopefully. But to your question specifically, I think price is the greater challenge as opposed to good opportunities. Our deal flow has been solid. I do think activity is picking up, but 2013 activities, you may recall, throughout the middle market was down. And so it’s not necessarily up relative to a robust year. And so we’ll see what the entire year brings, but so far there is optimism in terms of deal flow and now it’s just a function of finding the right company at the right price. Greg Mason – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.: Great. And then one just final quick modeling question. You said CamelBak expect 2014 EBITDA to be flat excluding the Marine contract. I have in my notes that the Marine contract was like $2 million to $2.5 million, and more in 2013. Is that consistent?

I think that’s consistent, yes. Greg Mason – Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, Inc.: Okay, great. Thanks.

We’ll take our next question from JT Rogers with Janney Capital Markets. John T. G. Rogers – Janney Montgomery Scott LLC: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question.

Hi, JT.

Good morning JT. John T. G. Rogers – Janney Montgomery Scott LLC: Another question we had and on Tridien, I was wondering how new product introduction was going, I know that there was, and then it looks like impairment there just. What are the trends there?

Elias, would you like to answer that one.

Yes, so JT, new products have started to launch. We launched some products in Q4. We expect that to carry through into 2013, and we also have products for launch coming into early in mid 2014. So we feel relatively bullish about those products, how they have launched. How they have been received into the market? The margin that we are now starting to achieve as we at least the ones we have launched already as we get some manufacturing efficiency scaled up on those. So that is going reasonably well. The overall environment, I would say remains a little bit challenged. The change in healthcare law has really created a bunch of uncertainty amongst the end consumer. Those product is predominately still purchased. The products that we make in the hospital and acute care settings. And those are settings that the administrators are still uncertain as to how the full implementation of the new healthcare law will effect. What their earnings power is and so, in the near term we think that it’s having a dampening effect on capital expenditures within the best setting. Longer term we do believe that it’s a tailwind and a positive as you are going to see more individuals driven through the healthcare system, which will obviously increase usage and require more CapEx, but we think getting through these period will be a little bit more challenging. It’s one of the reasons that we’ve reduced our outlook not withstanding that we do have new products that are coming into the market, we slightly reduced the outlook for that business, and as Ryan mentioned that drove an impairment based on the reduction in the 2014 budget. So I would say, all in all, it’s slightly below what our expectations would be, just given where it seems end demand is. I would say that 7% growth in the fourth quarter exceeded what our expectations where we are quite pleased with that. And we think we are carrying some momentum over unfortunately the makeshift trend that we’ve talked about a lot because of this uncertainty and the end buyer continues and so we are seeing the product that has the lowest margin, being purchased more readily than more advanced higher margin products. And so, as that shift has occurred, it’s obviously had effect on what our margin potential has been. But so I would say the outlook is somewhat muted right now on a little bit mix. But long-term we still feel that that is a positive growth industry. John T. G. Rogers – Janney Montgomery Scott LLC: Thanks, for the detail. And then just one last question, I think you guys touched on the M&A market, and the availability of new deals, at least on the platform side. What about on the add on side? Is there anything out there that you guys are looking at may not be a large acquisition, but might accelerate the growth and some of your existing platforms?

Yes, we continue to look at add on acquisition opportunities for many of our subsidiaries and there is opportunity for several of them to pursue that and we are working on it due diligently, not anything I can really comment on specifically but yes, we are working on add on acquisition opportunities and we’ll continue to do so. John T. G. Rogers – Janney Montgomery Scott LLC: Okay, thanks a lot. I want to appreciate it.

You bet JT.

We’ll take our next question from Vernon Plack with BB&T Capital Markets. Vernon C. Plack – BB&T Capital Markets: Thanks very much, and I’m trying to get a sense for the magnitude of the improvement AFM. I know in 2012, there was a EBITDA loss of little over $1 million, and 2013 it was over $300,000 just based on what you know today could this be a couple of million dollar EBITDA contributor in 2014?

Well, yes, anything is possible Vernon. I think that we would as we said we expect American Furniture to continue its improvement. I think that is it’s not out of the question in 2014 that they could contribute a couple of million dollars of EBITDA. And I think that they are certainly trending in the right way, the management team there has done a tremendous job of new product development, diversification of its customer base, enhancing in addition to its sales representation force, and we’re really very, very pleased with every thing that they are doing. I think that one of the things I just always like to point out with respect to AFM’s improvement, again which we’re extremely pleased about, is that the ultimate consumer that buys the American Furniture product, there was a consumer with less discretionary income and a consumer that remains under significant pressure in this economy. And so while, certain higher end furniture companies may seek improvement with the rebound in housing and an improved economy, I think that trend will eventually cripple down to American Furniture. But I think that right now American Furniture’s improvement is really not in the context of a growing promotional commercially priced furniture market. I think that their improvements are attributable to market share gains and improved product in the marketplace. And whereas future growth beyond what we just talked about in 2014, can certainly be achieved by hopefully the ability to continue to execute as they are now and taking more market share. But for meaningful growth beyond that is probably going to require an improved economy that cripples down to help that consumer with less discretionary income. So I just want to set not just 2014 expectations, but just highlight at least what in my opinion are some of the key elements towards anything greater improvement in that business going forward. I think that would need to happen for that improvement to occur. Vernon C. Plack – BB&T Capital Markets: Okay that’s helpful. And given the markets and given the challenges with finding new companies, as there have been any thought or effort underway to perhaps modify or change or increase your marketing efforts or the way you are sourcing deal?

We interestingly and particularly leveled in the last 18 months we have asked ourselves that question many times and in fact, have engaged the third parties to assist us in terms of evaluating, what we’ve seen relative to what a database prepared by third-party says we should have seen given our criteria. And we are very pleased by the results of that and what that did for us was it gave us a good degree of comfort that our marketing efforts were in fact yielding results that we had hoped for. That is not to say that we will not always looking to refine our marketing efforts, we are, but our safe debt, we believe that we are getting access through the opportunity that we hoped you and expect to get access to. So while we constantly are evaluating our marketing efforts. I am pretty comfortable that we are doing the right things and really don’t attribute much, if any of our challenges in 2013 as it related to adding new subsidiary companies to our marketing effort, I think that we’re seeing good opportunities. But it’s something that we’re always – I’ve talked you about and working on, and I think that one of the things that we are trying to do a bit more of than we have done historically is and reach out to some companies directly companies that have a vast holding of different types of companies and trying to see, if there are any non-core divisions that they maybe willing to consider divesting. But the markets are so efficient, Vernon that if we saw chances are others have thought of it as well. And it’s very hard to envision the type of company that is going to get our interest not having some type of intermediary involved in that process. So while we are trying to work hard to get that ever elusive true proprietary transaction. It has proven to be elusive, despite our efforts. But that is something that we are trying to do a little bit more of, although again I would temper your expectations relative to our ability to do that, just given how efficient the markets are for the high quality company. Vernon C. Plack – BB&T Capital Markets: Okay. Well that is helpful. Thank you very much.

Sure thank you, Vernon.

We will now take a follow-up from Larry Solow with CJS Securities. Larry Solow – CJS Securities, Inc.: Hi. Just quickly on the maintenance caps or the acceleration. Is there anything in particular you guys are spending on. And I see it’s falling back sort of normal levels that I guess also doesn’t includes FOX anymore. So it seems to be a little higher anything that stands out or you could that calls your…

I would say year-over-year Larry, the driver of the CapEx spend as you will see in the 10-K was really Advance Circuits. And as we know we take a pretty conservative approach to what is growth and what is maintenance. And ACI actually put in some really new nice machines for building their assembly business that we did not consider growth, we considered maintenance. So I would say the best – that has been a big driver of increase year-over-year. Larry Solow – CJS Securities, Inc.: Got it.

And Larry, as you know we were committed to investing in our businesses and each business has its own subsidiary level Board of Directors. And when the management teams of those subsidiaries to bring capital expenditure reflects to those Boards that are all evaluated independently. I would analyze in the manner that you would expect them to be analyzed. And while the number was higher in the fourth quarter, we believe every one of those dollars was money well spent on each of these subsidiaries and ensuring its current market position, but also positioning it for future growth and profitability. So it’s something that certainly puts strain on the quarterly results, but not something at all that I would ever suggest our companies differ or put off the context of helping us on a quarterly performance measurement. So I think that these are great long-term investments in our businesses and it’s something that we will continue to do going forward for all our subsidiaries as we have in the past.

And Larry, the one other piece of information that I would add on Liberty, I mean given their growth in 2013, their machines were working pretty hard throughout the year and requiring more maintenance than we have anticipated. Larry Solow – CJS Securities, Inc.: Right, right. Okay. That’s I guess sort of a high class problem in that case. Okay. Just any thoughts [indiscernible] on the call, but the new CamelBak water pitcher.

Yes. I’m glad you noticed. Just last week CamelBak introduced a new product called the Relay pitcher. It’s a water filtration pitcher that’s a really exciting new product for CamelBak. I’m a proud owner of the Relay pitcher and will attest to the – just how great this product is, but the great product extension for CamelBak, they are, as you know, committed to hydration and to providing its customers with all forms of water, be it through hydration pack, be it filtered. This is really an extension of their filtered water initiatives and we think that it addresses really a need in the marketplace. It has new technology that allows a user to build this pitcher at substantially faster rate than leading competitors yet provide all the same levels of filtration. It hits a pretty good sized market. The domestic market that CamelBak is focused on initially, management estimates to be in excess of $250 million, solid single-digit growing industry. With some good fortune at CamelBak technology is well received and this product is well received. We’re hoping that the growth of this product can exceed that industry level of growth. But it is a competitive market. There are some large well established competitors in the business. And so it remains to be seen how the product will perform, but the management team along with everyone at CODI are very excited about this market and think that it potentially represent great new segment of business for CamelBak to drive future growth. Larry Solow – CJS Securities, Inc.: Okay, great. Thanks.

Thanks, Larry.

Gentleman, with no other questions in queue I’ll turn it back to you for closing remarks.

Just wanted to thank everyone again for participating on the call I think just a couple of closing comments that I want to make because it didn’t necessarily come up, specifically in Q&A is that just to reiterate, our cash flow available for distribution in 2014, as we mentioned, excluding Fox and assuming no new acquisition activities, will be below our distribution level in 2014, but as mentioned on the previous call, with the significant gains achieved in the Fox IPO combined with our current level of liquidity, we have maintained our level of distribution. Again we believe that we’re well-positioned to continue to do that throughout 2014. And, the other thing that we talked about is just to help you with, we’ve talked a bit about expected performance in 2014, but with respect to CAD specifically that we expect that our first quarter for 2014 CAD, should be similar to what you saw on Q4 of 2013. So just wanted to give you those two points of data, just to assist in your evaluation of the business. I want to thank you all for participating on today’s call. We really appreciate your support and interest and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter, thanks.

Ladies and gentleman, thank you for your participation. This does conclude today conference.