Thank you for standing by, and welcome to The Vita Coco Company Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentations, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference to your host, John Mills, Managing Partner at ICR. Please go ahead.

Thank you, and welcome to The Vita Coco Company fourth quarter and full-year 2023 earnings results conference call. Today's call is being recorded. With us are Mr. Mike Kirban, Executive Chairman; Martin Roper, Chief Executive Officer; and Corey Baker, Chief Financial Officer. By now, everyone should have access to the Company's fourth quarter earnings release issued earlier today. This information is available on the Investor Relations section of The Vita Coco Company’s website at investors.thevitacococompany.com. Also on the website, there is an accompanying presentation of our commercial and financial performance results. Certain comments made on this call, including forward-looking statements, which are subject to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements are based on management's current expectations and beliefs concerning future events and are subject to several risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in these forward-looking statements. Please refer to today's press release and other filings with the SEC for a more detailed discussion of the risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in any forward-looking statements made today. Also, during the call, we will use some non-GAAP financial measures as we describe the business performance. The SEC filings as well as the earnings press release and supplementary earnings presentation provide reconciliations of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures and are available on the website as well. And with that, it is my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Mike Kirban, our Co-Founder and Executive Chairman.

Thanks, John. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to discuss our fourth quarter and full-year 2023 financial results and our commercial plans and performance expectations for 2024. I want to start by thanking all of our colleagues across the globe for the record year they delivered in 2023 and their continued commitment to The Vita Coco Company and their dedication to our mission of creating ethical, sustainable, better-for-you beverages that uplift our communities and do right by our planet. 2024 marks our 20th year in business, and although I'm super proud of all we've accomplished in these 20 years, I have never felt more excited and energized for what lies ahead. We've solidified our category leadership in coconut water over the last 20 years, which enters 2024 as the fastest growing category in beverages in the U.S. and the U.K. markets. And although, coconut water is still a nascent category representing just 3% of the sales in the U.S. water aisle, over the last 13 weeks, it has driven 20% of the dollar growth. I believe our recent success is confirmation that our current strategies are working. Our focus on growing the coconut water category and our focus on consumer conversion and retention, supported by the strength of our coconut water supply chain, has grown our overall sales at a 15% CAGR for the last four years, with our Vita Coco Coconut Water net sales growing at a 20% CAGR. In 2023 our flagship Vita Coco Coconut Water remained the major driver of consolidated net sales, producing 14% full-year growth against the prior year. Importantly, this growth was driven by full-year volume growth of 11%, demonstrating that consumer demand for our brand is very healthy. In the United States, according to Circana, we continued to gain share,…

Thanks, Mike, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to start by thanking our team across the globe for an outstanding year in 2023. I'm very pleased with the performance we delivered this year and the momentum we carry into 2024. We achieved net sales growth of 15% in 2023, driven by strong Vita Coco Coconut Water, which grew 14%. This total company net sales performance represents our third consecutive year of double-digit growth. Overall, we have achieved 74% net sales growth since 2019. Our fourth quarter 2023 net sales were up 15% with Vita Coco Coconut Water up 8% and private label up 36%. In 2023, we delivered strong growth in both the Americas where Vita Coco Coconut Water net sales grew 15% for the full-year with 12% volume growth, reflecting strong consumer demand and internationally where our net sales grew 17%, benefiting from the branded growth in Europe and some key private label wins, partially offset by some volume softness in Asia. In the fourth quarter of 2023, our Vita Coco Coconut Water net sales grew 8% versus Q4 of 2022, slower than our full-year trend, which benefited from an incremental branded promotion at a customer in the spring. We also saw an acceleration of private label coconut water sales, driven by a combination of distribution gains, soft prior year performance and consumer shifting resulting from lower year-on-year private label pricing. We continue to see strong overall consumer demand for our category. We believe the strong functional benefits of coconut water combined with our marketing efforts communicating the numerous usage occasions for our products is leading to this growth. Within the growth, we have seen similar consumer behavior that other CPG companies have talked about. There is a segment of consumers who are seeking value either through value in…

Thanks, Martin, and good morning, everyone. I will now provide you with some additional details on the full-year 2023 financial results. I will then discuss the drivers of our outlook for the 2024 full fiscal year. For the full-year 2023, net sales increased $66 million or 15% year-over-year to $494 million driven by Vita Coco Coconut Water growth of 14% and net sales and private label growth of 21%. On a segment basis within the Americas, Vita Coco Coconut Water's strong performance at retail increased net sales 15% to $317 million, while private label increased 17% to $103 million. Vita Coco Coconut Water benefited from 12% volume growth and 3% net price mix benefit, while private label increased 25% of volume, which was partially offset by price mix changes driving full-year net sales growth of 17%. For the full-year, our International segment net sales were up 17% with Vita Coco Coconut Water growth of 8%, where strong growth in Europe was partially offset by volume softness in Asia. Private label revenue grew 46%, which is a result of new business gains at large European retailers. For the year, the International segment represented 13% of total company net sales, which was flat to prior year. On a full-year basis, consolidated gross profit was $181 million up $77 million versus prior year. On a percentage basis, gross margins were 37% on the full-year, an improvement of approximately 1,300 basis points over the 24% reported in full-year 2022. The increase resulted mainly from decreased global transportation costs, increased volumes and improved branded pricing, which was partially offset by price mix effects within private label products. Gross margins in the fourth quarter were 37.5% versus 24.4% in the prior year quarter. The quarter performance is representative of an improvement of global transportation cost and…

Thank you, Corey. To close, I'd like to reiterate our confidence in the long-term potential of The Vita Coco Company, our ability to build a better beverage platform, and the strength of our Vita Coco brand. We are confident in our ability to navigate the current environment and excited about our key initiatives to drive growth. We have strong brands and a solid balance sheet and we are well-positioned to compete domestically and internationally. Thank you for joining us today, and thank you for your interest in The Vita Coco Company. That concludes our fourth quarter prepared remarks and we will now take your questions.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Bonnie Herzog of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

All right. Good morning. Hi, everyone.

Good morning, Bonnie.

Hi. I just had a, my first question is quick. Just on your topline, which came in much stronger in the quarter than what your guidance implied. So, I was just wanting to get a sense of the drivers of this and then really if any of it was pulled forward from Q1. And the reason I'm asking it, it maybe sounds like that just based on your comments that it sounds like you guys are trying to build some inventory at retail ahead of the summer?

Yes, Bonnie, I'll take that and Corey or Mike can come in. I think Q4 surprised us a little bit, obviously, very happy. We did benefit in ‘23 from some sort of opportunistic commodity sales, bulk sales that also helped that number. And, I think we feel that we finished the year with wholesaler inventories, distributor inventories pretty much in-line, maybe a little heavier than a year ago. So certainly, that could potentially correct a little bit in Q1 on a shipment side. We don't think that retailers are heavy or light. We think retail stock position is good. So, I think it did exceed our expectations a little bit, and obviously, we're happy with that. It obviously makes the growth more challenging this year to go up against that last year, but we feel good. And I think as we sort of said in our comments, year-to-date scan data is healthy, reflecting we think the strength of the category and the brand. And so, we feel good about the core business for the year.

Okay. That's helpful. And then maybe on the gross margins, you guys walked through that pretty thoroughly and maybe just a little more color on the puts and takes. And I guess, my question would be just trying to get a sense of how much visibility you really have and you feel pretty good about sort of your gross margin guidance. And I guess, in the context of that, where do you see, I don't know, maybe the biggest potential upside or downside on your gross margins? If there's anything you could call out there, that would be helpful? Thank you.

Sure. Well, one, obviously, we feel good about the guidance that we're giving. I think that goes without saying. I think when we look at our cost of goods side, the cost of goods of the product, ignoring the transportation cost issues, we have pretty good visibility to. Obviously, there are inflationary pressures, but I think as we have done in prior years, we're trying to offset those through supply chain optimization and negotiation and efficiencies. And, think as we've mentioned before, we have a team of engineers that work with our partners to sort of try and deliver cost improvements each year. So, we feel pretty good about that. As it relates to the transportation environment, obviously, it is significantly more stable than two years ago, the '22 - '23 time period. And, it's more stable both for how the product is flowing and then also the cost side of that. We obviously have recent visibility to cost increases on certain ocean freight rates that might be affected by the activities in the Gulf. And our guidance sort of takes into account what we currently know, and with some assumptions that's going to continue for a little bit, right?

Right.

So, we feel pretty good about that. We think we have other levers we can play on the gross margin side, obviously, with potential pricing action if things were to deteriorate or be very prolonged. And so, we have actions we can take, so that sort of supports the guidance we're giving and why we're comfortable in that. And, I think the point I would make about the ocean freight is the spot rates that everyone is looking at are obviously significantly lower than they were in that '22 - '23 time period. So, that's the first point, multiples lower.

Okay.

So, this increase, while it is a blip on the spot rate indexes, is not nearly as big as the sort of life threatening events of '22. And then the other thing is, those are spot rates, and they don't necessarily reflect what we are paying. So, I wouldn't want people to draw conclusions from that. I think it's indicative of the pressures, but not necessarily indicative of the rates. And so, net-net, we're totally comfortable at this point in time in our gross margin guidance for the year.

Super helpful. And, I just maybe want to clarify something. I might have missed it. Can you share how much then is locked in? Is that the visibility that you mentioned that you have, you feel good?

So, I think as we said in prior quarters, we were going to sort of rest on the commitments a little bit and sort of take advantage of the spot markets.

Okay.

As in prior quarter communication, we did enter into some short-term contracts for certain lanes where we needed to guarantee capacity, but we remain significantly lower contracted than we were in 2020, when I think we've talked historically we would perhaps be 75% contracted. We are very much significantly below that, and we still believe our current strategy of basically taking the spot market and working with relationships we have is the best thing right now. So no, the comments that I just made were not reflective of a significant change in that strategy.

Okay. Much appreciated. Thank you. I'll pass it on.

Yes. Thanks, Bonnie.

Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Chris Carey of Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Hey, Chris.

Good morning, Chris.

Good morning, Chris.

Hey, good morning. Just one follow-up on the Q1. So, when you gave that year-to-date Circana number, are you indicating that you would expect to ship below consumption for the quarter? Or are you just saying it's kind of unclear one way or the other? We'll see how it goes. Just wanted to --

Yes. I would just say it's unclear. The Circana number only tracks a certain part of the business. There's other timing issues that could affect the quarter. So, I don't think we're implying anything. I just think what we were merely stating was the Q4 shipments were pretty good and maybe a little ahead of our expectations. And obviously, when that happens, you always scratch your head as to when that presents headwinds to Q1, but we're not implying anything as it relates to how tough would trend. I think we would say that Circana data is pretty good, indicative of what's going on in the category, not necessarily on a monthly basis or even quarterly, but on a full-year basis it is. And so, we would just direct you to think about it like that.

Okay, great. On the question around, if freight changes and the ability to cover that, I think there's quite a bit of I don't know if concern is the right word, but given the experience of the last freight cycle, there's certainly a lot of focus on your ability to protect your gross margins, right? And so, I just I guess the way that I kind of want to attack this, if that does happen and you take pricing, can you just talk about the tension of some of the private label seems to be giving back some pricing and perhaps there's some shift in private label volume as a result. I don't know if that's happening, but it sounds like that's kind of what you're implying. And so, just the pricing power on the branded offerings, should that happen? And if pricing isn't the right lever, what else is at your disposal?

Sure. Let me just start with the freight situation and make another comment. I think some of the analysts who follow the ocean freight companies have made the point that the spot rate increases that they've seen do not necessarily reflect the costs that the ocean carriers are experiencing from bypassing Suez. And so, it appears there was some opportunistic pricing taken. And so, as we look at it, and this is one of the reasons that we're in the spot side of this, we think those are artificially high on a temporary basis. And the rates that we're seeing, while certainly they pressure gross margin, and we believe we can handle them through the offsetting measures that we have on our P&L, either pricing maybe incremental volume or whatever to basically deliver sort of gross profit sort of goals. So, we're currently feeling pretty good about that at the current levels that we're currently experiencing. As it relates to your second question, private label pricing in the market tends to track COGS and obviously, we're on the back-end of a cost of goods cycle with and so, you're seeing some private label price gaps start to re-emerge back to maybe historical levels, relative to brand. And so, we are seeing that and you are seeing some volume gains because of that on the private label volume side, right? And we're obviously monitoring that, right? And we firmly believe we have a great brand that commands premium, and nothing really is happening that isn't back to where the price gaps were in 2020. So, maybe that's just a normalization. And if there is an effect, it's probably a one year effect. I also think, as we sort of said on the call, we're sort of uniquely positioned to play both sides of this. We're one of the most significant private label suppliers certainly in the U.S., and we also have the primary multi-pack strategy in the category also well-positioned to take advantage of consumers looking for value. So, we're playing both sides of it and there certainly will be some interplay and that can sometimes make our total net revenue look a little, odd as the volume moves on between private label and branded. But, we're well-positioned and we feel very good about it and just going to be a year of sort of that transition because these gaps have emerged and will take a year for it to all shake out.

Okay. Thank you.

Thank you. One moment please. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Lavery of Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Thank you. Good morning.

Hey, Michael.

Good morning, Michael.

I just want to start on multi-packs. I like the sales bridge you show on the slide that just shows how big a contributor that's been to the growth. Can you maybe just give a sense of how much of that might have been pipeline filled that we should be aware of or just contextualize it a little bit? And I know you gave some color on this, but a little more of maybe kind of the runway ahead and just how to think about how big that opportunity could be?

Yes. So one, it's not really pipeline because these are retail scans. The data on Slide 9 in the investor deck is retail scan data. So, it reflects consumer consumption. We're seeing really good velocity on these items. And obviously, there's a little bit of cannibalization with singles, but singles have held up remarkably well. And so, the total brand is growing. The growth happens to be mostly in the multi-packs, but the singles have held on. I think it's still early innings, right. Some of these multi-packs have only been in market for eight, nine months, some are a little longer, maybe 12 to 18 or two years. It's still early innings, are still consumer adjustment to them. We still have distribution gains and that opportunity is, again, laid out in Slide 9. And so, what I would just say is I think when we talked about this a year ago, we said it was like a two year acceleration of our business or two year program and to reach fruition. And, we're one year in and obviously very happy both with the results and also the fact that we've sort of proven that we're the only brand that can really carry these multi-packs and food, right? So, it's a nice competitive position to be in, going back the previous comments to, Chris. So, we feel good, and we think it's going to fuel growth this year, and we think it has at least another year to run.

As you think about modeling though, Chris, it would be shipment load in Q1.

Michael.

Michael, sorry. But on the full-year, it would be immaterial to the revenue.

Okay. That's helpful. And you touched on some of the flex in SG&A, obviously, depending on what freight does that could go either way. But, you mentioned potentially opportunistic increases in investments if it gets more favorable, which you seem to obviously make a case for the possibility of at least. Is that the right way we should think about it in terms of if we see favorability in spot rates where you have more exposure than usual that you're more likely to reinvest it or that you might or can you just help us understand as we see some of the rate moves, how to think about flowing that through and what how you might manage that?

If we see opportunity to invest it, productively, we'll invest. That's the primary objective, if there's favorability.

I hope we've demonstrated discipline, our P&L discipline over the last two, three years and we would continue to do so and we're not the sort of company that spend money just because we have it.

Right.

Okay.

But we will actually reserve the right to spend it if we thought something would work.

It's not like you've got a waiting list of things on deck that are kind of simply teed up if there's favorability, it's just that you would evaluate as it progresses and see what might make sense?

Yes. I'd say our approach to marketing is we do a lot of things, and things that work, we try and spend more money on. So, other things that my marketing team will tell me are going to work and my marketing team will tell me that they want more money for, absolutely. Obviously, the proof is, do we see what we like the results and then we can ramp it up. So yes, there's always opportunities, there's always things we could do more of, but it's not like we're sitting here sort of not wanting to do what we want to do. We're doing what we want to do and we could do more of it if it works.

Yes.

There's always opportunities to amplify long-term initiative.

Okay, very helpful. Thanks so much.

Thank you. One moment please. Our next question comes from the line of Eric Des Lauriers of Craig Hallum. Your line is open.

Great. Thank you for taking my questions.

Hey, Eric.

First of all, just a bit more on ocean freight and transportation costs here. Could you provide just a bit more color on some of the different shipping lanes that you're exposed to? I would imagine the vast majority of your shipments don't go really anywhere near the Red Sea. So, could you give us a sense of the sort of geographic mix of your shipping lanes? And then, if there are any material differences in pricing amongst those?

Yes. So, the way I would think about it and obviously, we haven't disclosed it fully, but the way if I was an analyst I would approach this is to identify that one major market is North America with a West Coast and an East Coast port, and one major market is Europe. And, you can sort of get to those numbers from our breakout of international and America business. And then, as it relates to the America business, East and West, you can sort of make some assumptions based on population, East and West of the Rockies, to get to percentage of business going into East to West. And so, our primary routes are Asia to East, West America and to the U.K. And there is just one wrinkle, I think we've previously disclosed that about third of our supply or a quarter of our supply comes from Brazil, and that would come into the East Coast. So the way again, we haven't provided the data because we prefer not to, but if you wanted to model it, you would do your model based on population and then assume that roughly a quarter or a third of the business is coming in from Brazil. As it relates to rates, if you look at historic rates, and I go back to before 2020, Asia to Europe was pretty cheap. I'm going to quote a number, but please don't hold me to it. I'm going to say $1,000 a container, that sort of level. And then Asia to West Coast was more expensive, and Asia to East Coast was more expensive than that. Obviously, Brazil into East Coast is a much shorter lane and you would conclude was cheaper than Asia into East Coast.

Okay. It's very helpful. I appreciate that. And then just, I guess, excluding ocean freight costs, I'm just kind of sticking with these comparisons back to the, sort of COVID era here. Can you comment on some of the other transportation, warehousing inventory costs that you experienced during that COVID time and sort of how those compare to what you're experiencing now?

Yes. So, during that period of time, we saw very significant costs related to port demurrage, fees, warehousing, congestion charges, just because of the supply chain around the ports was basically a bit of a mess, and I don't think we were alone in that. And I think what we said was that when we talked about the $65 million that we experienced and we absorbed in excess transportation costs, I think we said roughly a third was domestic stuff. The other part of the domestic stuff was also there was a lot of inflation on over the road transportation and in warehousing costs. And particularly at the end of, and I hope I have my years right, the end of ‘22, because of how all the global supply chains have reacted, there was a shortage of warehouse space in the U.S., which drastically increased costs for everybody. And, there basically wasn't space, and you're ending up with multiple warehouses instead of single warehouses. So, that's the background. I would say that during, by the end of the or maybe by the middle of second quarter last year, all of that anticipated. Over the road, rates were back to competitive rates. Obviously, a lot of this is also partly what the consumer demand is, and obviously, that was reduced as people started going back out and eating out and etcetera, etcetera. Warehouses freed up. It was possible to get everything back into one warehouse where you only wanted one warehouse. And the ports have largely been congestion free, largely because there's always occasional instances whether it's a strike or something happens that blocks a port up. So, domestic transportation costs have largely mitigated back to what I would call normal. I think the other indicator of that is also our inventory levels, where obviously we're supporting very solid sales with significantly lower inventory than 1.5 years ago. And so for all those reasons, domestic costs have significantly subsided.

That's very helpful color. My last question here on private label. So, obviously much of the discussion in recent quarters has been on the relationship with your largest private label customer. But could you just kind of comment on what you're seeing with your other private label customers, maybe comment on some of the growth between sort of new and existing accounts and just kind of how to think about this section of private label going forward? Thank you.

Yes. I would say overall the relationship with all of our private label customers is quite strong. We've continued to deliver strong service and value to them and you can see it in our private label results that there is a strong balance of growth coming from new customers with some big ones in Western Europe as well as in the U.S. as well as incremental distribution, some of which was temporary or is temporary, as we've been able to provide better service than others. So, we picked up incremental distribution. And then so overall, we see very strong private label performance and we expect will continue depending on those price gaps that Martin talked about earlier.

That's great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Thank you. One moment please. Our next question comes from the line of Jon Andersen of William Blair. Your line is open.

Good morning, everybody. Thanks for questions.

Good morning, Jon.

Congrats on a strong 2023. I wanted to ask first about just the category. The coconut water category, as you pointed out, has been a terrific category over the past several years and up think 16%, you've indicated in dollars in 2023. But it sounds like you're expecting that to moderate fairly materially in 2024. I think you mentioned category growth in the mid to upper-single-digits in '24. Could you just talk about, is this just kind of a return to normal after an unusual 2023? What some of the assumptions are that you're making that lead to that kind of outlook for the category?

Yes. Great question. I think when we look at Circana data, we see category volume growth last year around 13%. I think if you look at like a four, five year average, the volume growth has been high-single-digits. And I think we prudently sort of do our budgeting and planning around assuming that that's a good category number. So, does that imply a slowdown from last year? Yes, maybe. But I'm not sure whether we have any great crystal ball on this. We just have to do some estimates for planning purposes. What I would say is, I think the category benefited last year both from our introduction of multi-packs and probably from some competitors returning to full inventory. And so probably there was some maximization of demand, I suppose, and that maybe help those numbers a little bit. So, I don't think our assumptions are unreasonable. Obviously, we'll be prepared for better, and obviously, we'll be prepared for worse, too. But, I don't think those assumptions are unreasonable. But that's what sort of goes into it. I wouldn't say we have a great crystal ball. We have to pick a number and then build plans around it and make sure that our supply chain planning can deal with variance in those outcomes.

Okay. That's helpful. Makes perfect sense. With respect to your own sales guidance, I just want to make sure I understand the puts and takes. It sounds like you again, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're looking for Vita Coco branded growth in-line with the category in 2024? And could you talk a little bit about your volume and price assumptions? I'm not sure if you've already taken some pricing on the branded part of the portfolio or if maybe that's expected in 2024. And then, what some of those offsets are, if you can kind of quantify those for us to a greater extent? I think you mentioned the oils business, perhaps some one time bulk volume. And I think you even mentioned a promotion that might not repeat? Thanks.

Yes. Well, let me take the sort of drags or the headwinds first. I think, we chose and to be honest, we've chosen not to sort of categorize the size of each partly because the private label piece is obviously proprietary information to a certain retailer, and we're uncomfortable breaking out that private label all business. But, just listing them and maybe in order of magnitude or maybe not as the case may be, obviously, the loss of the private label coconut oil business is the biggest factor. There is some reduction in promotional activity that we know won't repeat because it was a little opportunistic last year because we had inventory and the retailers wanted it. So, that's a little bit of a drag, we have, as I mentioned, the non-repeating commodity sales, which were to commodity sales for us is coconut water concentrates and stuff like that, and we just don't expect that to re-occur. It was sort of, again opportunistic. There was another customer who needed it and we had it, so we sold it, right, sort of thing. And then, I also think our growth rate is challenged. In 2023, we said as we talked about in Q1, Q2, we had a major promotion with a major club retailer, and that was incremental promotion. It's hard to duplicate that growth again, right? So, that's also a little bit of the headwinds. But we're going to more than offset all of those headwinds with the core business growth, as you noted, plus the private label growth is going to more than offset that. So yes, it's a little bit of a reset year for us, but we feel really good that the business is going to emerge from it stronger. And now I've completely forgotten the other part of your question. The other part of your question. I do apologize.

I think pricing, Jon, in our guidance, we didn't assume a lot of incremental pricing over where we currently are. Obviously, there's a lot of stuff going on in the macro environment, but right now we haven't seen significant pricing. So, broadly it would be volume-based growth within our guidance.

Super helpful. Thank you.

We're confident in our assumption.

Thank you.

Thank you. One moment please. Our next question comes from the line of Jim Salera of Stephens. Your line is open.

Hi, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking our question. Martin, I appreciate all the color on the ocean freight rate. And if you'll indulge me on just one real quick question on that, maybe kind of tie the loop there. It sounds like you're expecting, and I appreciate that you guys pay rates that's lower than the current spot rate, but it sounds like you're expecting current spot rates to decline as the year goes on. And, if I'm wrong in that, please correct me. But if spot rates stay where they're at currently, would that provide or would that yield a headwind to the gross margin guidance as it's currently put together?

So yes, I think if you look at the indexes, at least last one that we look at was published last Thursday, you can see that the increase in spot rates sort of peaked about three, four weeks ago and has started to decline. Declines are different by market, but there's sort of weakening there. As you noted and as we indicated earlier on the call, we're not paying the spot prices, we're paying prices that we think better than that. And so, we see this happening, right? And what I would say is our guidance assumes that what we're currently paying continues for a reasonable period of time, given what's causing it. And yes, we have optimism that the rates should continue to soften, but that's a little bit of the crystal ball question.

Okay. That's helpful. And then if we can shift back to the category growth side of things. You talked about growth in-line with the overall category. But given the uplift you guys have seen from multipacks and some of the innovations, can we think about there as being upside to branded as some of those things continue to perform well in the market and presumably you guys gain some more shelf-spaces as the resets go through?

Yes, absolutely, you can think about it and we think about it a lot, right? And our, Mike, it's very challenging to us to, okay, guys, we need to grow share, right? It's obviously a little harder to grow share from where we are than where we were three years ago, but we're committed to trying to do so. Mike talked about the initiative with the juice, our cans, obviously, the multi-packs gives us an advantage in food and mass in the mainstream part of the section. We need to find ways to win in the can section in food and mass. That's a multi-year sort of goal, right? But yes, our goal is to continue to gain share. And if we do so, then obviously, there's upside.

Okay, great. And then maybe if I can just sneak in one quick one on the juice cans. You'd mentioned some offerings for that outside of convenience. Would that include a multi-pack offering of the cans or is that still going to be all one count at in mass and other outside of convenience?

Eventually likely, but for now it's single serve. It's single units.

Okay. Thanks, guys. I'll hop back in the queue.

Thank you.

Thank you. One moment please. Our next question comes from the line of Eric Serotta of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Morning. Thanks for taking the question. I'm hoping you could give some perspective on your price points relative to some competing beverage categories, whether it’s bottle of water, sports drinks or even [CFCs] (ph), sterilize don't directly compete. Looks like you've probably benefited from improved relative affordability over the past few years, with pricing in alternative categories clearly, or price increases moderating, not seeing any deflation to be clear. How are you thinking about the potential for further price increases in Vita Coco Coconut Water and, sort of LRB against that backdrop?

So, Eric you're correct. Over the last few years there's been a significant compression in the relative price between us and other beverage categories. Going forward, like I said, I don't expect much pricing at this point in our guidance for us this year. And I think what we've heard from most other beverage companies it’s not a lot of pricing probably in the overall LRB category. So, we expect those relative price points to stay the same at this point unless something changes. We're always monitoring the market and we'll make adjustments competitively as needed. But I would assume at this point that those relative points would stay the same or relatively close.

Okay. And then lastly, I think Martin you joked last quarter in terms of giving your preliminary outlook that, well, Mike expects me to gain share each year. I think that was last quarter. So, I know there's been a lot of back and forth about sort of the cycling some of these one-time benefits that you had in terms of coconut water one-off sales last year. To be clear, when you strip out those kind of one time, cycling those one-time benefits, do you think your underlying growth or is going to keep pace with the category or your underlying share is going to keep pace with the category or even exceed it?

Yes. So, I think our plan or hope is that our branded business tracks the category as a minimum expectation. And I think we think the private label at least this year could be a little faster than that just because of the price gap issue. So, that's the goal. It's a little hard to talk about one year goals like that because it's obviously, as you said, all these other stuff going on. I think our long-term goal remains mid-teen branded growth. We've delivered that the last four, five years. This year, we have a little bit of it's a little more challenging for us to do it this year, which is why we're giving the guidance we're giving, but it doesn't take that long-term goal off the table.

Great. Thanks so much.

Thank you.

Thank you. One moment please. Our next question comes from the line of Bryan Spillane of Bank of America. Your line is open.

Hey, thanks operator. Good morning, everybody.

Hi, Bryan.

Good morning, Bryan.

I just have one question. And, I guess if we just step back and make a scenario, I guess, not make an assumption, but think about a scenario where all this discussion about freight and boats is really geopolitical, right? Like this isn't the COVID boat supply demand imbalance. This is it's tough to navigate traditional trade routes right now and may for a while. I mean, it's the Barbary wars, right, impacted trade and freight rates for years, right? So, I guess I have two questions related to that, right? One is, is there a way to change the product form? Could you like we do with natural gas, milk, right, can be converted to powder. So, if you were to try to reduce the incidence of freight and concentrate, is there a way to concentrate the product to just at least reduce the number of ships that you actually have to procure, one? Two, if just sourcing from Asia becomes more impractical over time, would it be possible to source more from Brazil? So I know it's kind of a big picture question, but again, it just seems like this could be a recurring theme if the world continues to be as unstable as it is. And just curious if there's other ways to sort of adjust the supply chain to adapt to that? Thanks.

I think it's less geopolitical and more opportunistic for the freight carriers to increase rates. I mean, when you think about it, they're not going through the Suez anymore. They're going around Africa, which is not that much more expensive and does take a little bit longer. So, it's an opportunity for them to try to spike rates. That's how we look at it. Now if you think about moving production, can't move supply to the U.S. because there's not enough coconuts clearly, there's like a few in Miami. That guy with the pushcart in Miami is on the beach. But so, it's going to be hard to get the coconuts, right. But, if we look at moving more supply to Brazil, that's clearly something that we're working on and something that we've been working on for quite some time, and Brazil is a great location for us because it is a much shorter transit time, and it's further diversification of our supply chain. So, obviously that's something that we're looking at. And then from if we think about concentrate, it's also an option, but it changes the product that we're selling today. So it's not the primary focus.

Thank you. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm showing no further questions. This does conclude today's conference. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.

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