Jon Cheigh
Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead.
Well, obviously, we try to spend a lot of time educating, whether it's the record keepers, the target date managers, or the end investor on the importance of real assets. To be honest, for the end investor, I'm not sure they're always looking at their underlying exposure in their target date. So I think, we need to educate on all three of those levels. Again, the end investor, the 401(k) committee of a given company, the record keepers, and the managers. So, you know, we're going through that education process And we're going to keep doing that. You know the way this goes that I said that five years from now or 10 years from now, one of those groups will say, why didn't we do a better job? I talked about how over the last three years, if you just had real assets, you would have done 50 basis points better with lower drawdowns and volatility. It may not seem like a lot, but again, target dates, when you're talking about 10, 20, 30, 40 years and you're compounding that, you know, you're talking about, [4.2] (ph) versus [4.7] (ph), you're basically, it's like saying, you're improving your return 12% and you're compounding that. And so that's an education process that we continue to have. You know -- and we think over time there will be more success, but frankly, there needs to be some --. There probably needs to be some -- I don't want to say pain. What I would say is some remorse before there's more action taken on this. I would say at the end of 2022, when the 60-40 did very poorly, a lot of people said, well, talk to me about real assets. At the end of 2023, when the 60-40 had a much better year, people thought, you know what, maybe that inflation was just a blip. It was a moment in time. I think that towards the end of this year, there's going to be more people saying, you know what, inflation goes in cycles, as it goes higher. It goes lower. It goes higher. That's the lesson of the [70s] (ph) and its others. It needs to be part of my strategic allocation as opposed to I wish I had in 2022. So anyway, I think that's the acknowledgement process that we'll go through over the next 12 months.